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Turf Tracer
01-07-2013, 10:51 PM
I just saw their new 30" mower and sitting atop this monstrosity was the same Kaw. they put on the 21".

This mower will not have enough horses to mulch and barely enough to bag anything but the lightest growth.

Luckily, I just picked up a Special Edition 19hp 36" Turf Tracer and still have a 32" Viking.

Bring back the 32" Viking

weaver
01-08-2013, 12:20 AM
I was thinking the same thing but a guy on here said his 21 x with that same engine has goobs of power..
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yardguy28
01-08-2013, 07:32 AM
well I can't entirely speak for the exmark 21. but my toro 21 has the kawi engine on it and it goes through some pretty thick stuff just fine without ever skipping a beat.

LandFakers
01-08-2013, 07:42 AM
That motor does seem a little weak for a 30".... I still think you need a full WB for 30 and larger
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lawnboy dan
01-08-2013, 08:35 AM
we should be more concerned with the slip the belt vari speed one speed trans. the kawi is a brute and prob will have enough hp .

pugs
01-08-2013, 09:21 AM
Im pretty sure the reason they did it was because there is nothing else to put on it. The next step up for Kawasaki is to a FS481V which is way too big/heavy for that mower.

Same thing with other manufacturers in vertical shaft engines. They jump from a 170-200cc product up to a 340cc or larger which is just too big/heavy for that machine.

I think the perfect engine would have been the old Kawasaki FC290V although that might even be too heavy.

Exmark PR
01-08-2013, 10:25 AM
Turf Tracer
Thanks for your interest in the new Commercial 30 walk mower. Interestingly, we use a timed blade system to effectively reduce horsepower consumption commonly associated with twin or triple blade decks. You’ll be amazed if you demo this unit in the ability to perform in demanding conditions. The blades more effectively cut and move the grass than is the case with the untimed blades on other decks. We believe the FJ180 KAI spec Kawasaki is the right power to weight ratio as well to make this an incredibly nimble unit. Also, for deeper grass conditions, the available side discharge option further reduces horsepower needs as compared to mulching or bagging. Still, we certainly can’t fault anyone who picks a Viking or Turf Tracer for their needs! Thanks for your interest. We encourage everyone to ask their dealer for a demo. Seeing is believing!

Turf Tracer
01-08-2013, 09:54 PM
Thanks for the reply eXmark.

Why not just bring back the 32" Viking w/15hp Kaw. and its GAME OVER in the Small Lawn Small Gate Mower Competition® .

The 32" Viking was the Perfect Small Lawn Small Gate Mower®

This year I ended up with a 36" Tracer with 19hp Kaw...Wanted the Viking!!

yardguy28
01-08-2013, 10:26 PM
purhaps because some of us have gated backyards where even a 32" wouldn't fit. I have several backyards where I have to use a 21 incher in the backyard.

Turf Tracer
01-08-2013, 10:49 PM
Yea there are a couple areas where a 32 won't go but smaller than 33" gate is extremely rare.

And if a 32 won't go then odds are a 30 won't go either.

So you still need a 21

Viking dual hydro 32". Bring it back. Please.
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lawnboy dan
01-09-2013, 07:25 AM
guess i am the only one who cares about the transmission .

Roger
01-09-2013, 09:33 AM
guess i am the only one who cares about the transmission .

Or, lack thereof...

170# seems very heavy for a machine that is "man-handled" on turns.

I would not discount the use of this engine on this mower. The two blades are shorter than a 21" hand mower, requiring much less torque to keep then turning. I don't think the specs say, but I expect the engine is running at 3,600 rpm, not 3,000 or so for 21" mowers. There must be a drive train with belts that enable pulley size differences. I don't see any pics with the deck drive.

Exmark-man, ... any chance of a series of pics (>10) with the covers off, more detailed shots in and around this machine? The promotional stuff is way too vague.

yardguy28
01-09-2013, 02:14 PM
Yea there are a couple areas where a 32 won't go but smaller than 33" gate is extremely rare.

And if a 32 won't go then odds are a 30 won't go either.

So you still need a 21

Viking dual hydro 32". Bring it back. Please.
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see in my area there are a lot of 24" gates in the backyard. and if it is larger it will accomodate a 36" walkbehind so a 32" is useless in my area.

but I know every area is different.

Turf Tracer
01-09-2013, 11:16 PM
Please post pics of a couple different 24" gates if you have time. I would almost have to walk through one sideways!

Thanks!

And yes, manhandling a 170lb machine in a small yard would pretty much negate any benefit over a 21".

Dual Hydro or Death!

weaver
01-09-2013, 11:38 PM
Thats cool.. i thought they just put 16 hp engines on there 36 in mowers...
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Kevin R
01-17-2013, 12:58 PM
guess i am the only one who cares about the transmission .

The tranny has a wet clutch in it and was made specific for the 30", it's very heavy duty. It's NOT the same tranny as the 21 or 26


KR

locallawncare.ca
01-17-2013, 01:12 PM
I dont think manhandling it will be too bad, I used a 32" ferris for years, with the single hydro and it turned just fine, you just have to use your momentum and it whips arounds, I know the exmark 21" are 115lbs and are very manuverable, maybe it the soil is saturated, but Im sure it will be fine, I'll be getting a toro as soon as its available, exmark dealer is a little far away for me, also Ive been told the exmark will be slighty more for whatever reason +100-150ish.

mowerknower
01-18-2013, 05:48 PM
we should be more concerned with the slip the belt vari speed one speed trans. the kawi is a brute and prob will have enough hp .

The belt is always tight, not a belt slip drive. It has a clutch inside the tranny

Valk
01-18-2013, 06:24 PM
Snaking one of these 170lb 30"s through a narrower (<30") gate should be a simple maneuver given 'most' circumstances.

knox gsl
01-18-2013, 06:48 PM
I've never seen a gate that a 30" mower wouldn't fit through, who does that?

yardguy28
01-18-2013, 08:07 PM
I've got clients who have 24" gates. sure you could snake a 30" mower through it but its not worth it in my opinion. some of those same yards it wouldn't be efficient to use more than a 21 incher in the first place.

kawasaki guy
01-18-2013, 08:28 PM
I was thinking about getting one of these, but I ordered a new snapper :)

Kelly's Landscaping
01-19-2013, 01:40 AM
10 years 500 accounts over the years and iv seen 2 fenced back yards that our 21s barely squeaked through. 4-5 foot gates are the norm and iv seen plenty that were 6 feet and 8-10 foot are not that rare here. Still the 30 looks cool and I am considering one.

yardguy28
01-19-2013, 08:25 AM
well I agree smaller gate openings are rare but I personally do have some. but my other point is so far if the gate opening allows me to get something bigger than my 21 through it, my 36" walkbehind will fit.

sildoc
01-29-2013, 12:44 AM
This is a Niche mower. Yes it will be great like the 26 and Ybravo 25 is. Just remember that those significantly overgrown lawns and southern lawns won't be game. this is a cool season bagging lawn mower just like the timemaster. There will be some tinkering to make this mower work but don't discount till you run one, heck that is why they send out demos to the dealer!!! Looking forward to trying one in rain!!!

herler
01-30-2013, 01:13 AM
Yeah...

Exmark is many things, for example it is a brand name and a logo.
It is also the name of a corporation, the name of a manufacturer,
and it is the name of a lawn mower, one could say Exmark is a business.

But the one thing it is not, Exmark is not capable of thought.
No, despite what anyone may have heard, much like my car, an it doesn't think.
Exmark as an entity can not, and does not think, it is not capable of doing so.
Humans think, animals do, but Exmark does not.

See these black and white letters on your screen forming words?
They are not capable of thought either.

Richard Martin
01-30-2013, 06:46 PM
Exmark-man, ... any chance of a series of pics (>10) with the covers off, more detailed shots in and around this machine? The promotional stuff is way too vague.

Nah, just like they had to pass Obamacare to see what was in it, you have to buy this mower to see what's in it too. Trust them, it's every mower you've ever needed wrapped up into a 30" 6 HP package. :laugh:

Jaybrown
02-05-2013, 09:45 PM
I have the home version toro 30. With the Briggs and it is a powerful motor. Crazy good with the leaves. Never skips a beat

Jaybrown
02-05-2013, 09:49 PM
My favorite mower. Easy maneuver very easy

JimsLocalLawn
02-05-2013, 09:53 PM
My dealer already got it in, and quoted me $1899 and will be available to sell in the next 2 weeks. He really likes the machine.

sildoc
02-06-2013, 07:25 PM
Looking at them this weekend. If they work, I will have a new mower to try and if those work through May will order another 2-3. 26's are getting old and still work great. Like I said they are a Niche mower and not for everyone. Won't replace the 36hydro or any other mower but the 21!

lawnboy dan
02-07-2013, 07:03 AM
well it wont replace my 21,s . i am not about to be fooled by the so called varaiable speed trans

locallawncare.ca
02-07-2013, 10:15 AM
Variable speed is fine, its just like any other self-propelled mower (exmark x-series, toro 22156, etc.) Been using it for years, works great, I'm not a fan of the personal pace but the var-speed is great, I'd be more concerned about the engine/weight/cut. I'll be getting one for sure, all my properties are done with a 21" so this should be a good fit.