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Kleen Kutz
01-13-2013, 05:17 PM
Hey fellas, one quick question. Which truck has a better transmission? I'm a chevy guy though :laugh: Chevy 2500 or F250, or Dodge 2500. Which is better for pulling enclosed trailer? :confused:

Jimslawncareservice
01-13-2013, 06:48 PM
I pull a 20 ft enclosed with both a f350 and a dodge 2500. Both diesels. Not a tranny problem with either one. I also plow with the 2500. I've pulled my enclosed with my 97 Chevy dump a few times. Now a days a truck is pretty much a truck. Ask a hundred random people and you'll get equal amount of lovers and haters for each brand.
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Kleen Kutz
01-13-2013, 08:50 PM
I pull a 20 ft enclosed with both a f350 and a dodge 2500. Both diesels. Not a tranny problem with either one. I also plow with the 2500. I've pulled my enclosed with my 97 Chevy dump a few times. Now a days a truck is pretty much a truck. Ask a hundred random people and you'll get equal amount of lovers and haters for each brand.
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Yea, that's what I was thinking was going to happen. But I only looking for the bigger transmission.

Jimslawncareservice
01-13-2013, 08:58 PM
It's really luck of the draw. Any brand can be a lemon or have problems. Most of the time its the people driving and in charge of maintaining them. Buying new or a used one that you know the owner is best.
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Snapper Jack
01-13-2013, 09:02 PM
I"ve been in the transmission business for some 30 plus years and Chevy's by far are a superior transmission than the latter two. Yes they have a few mechanical problems but nothing compared to Ford's and Dodges. When contemplating going diesel,the Dodge Cummings with manual would be the way to go,IMO

Jimslawncareservice
01-13-2013, 09:14 PM
I"ve been in the transmission business for some 30 plus years and Chevy's by far are a superior transmission than the latter two. Yes they have a few mechanical problems but nothing compared to Ford's and Dodges. When contemplating going diesel,the Dodge Cummings with manual would be the way to go,IMO

So why do I know 10 Chevy owners who have dropped their trannys by putting their truck from drive to reverse? I do know guys with other brands who screwed up their trannys, but most were doing dumb stuff. Like pull offs, mudding or slamming gears.
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jbell36
01-13-2013, 11:16 PM
I"ve been in the transmission business for some 30 plus years and Chevy's by far are a superior transmission than the latter two. Yes they have a few mechanical problems but nothing compared to Ford's and Dodges. When contemplating going diesel,the Dodge Cummings with manual would be the way to go,IMO

not sure i can trust a man who has been in the transmission business for 30 years yet spells cummins with a G...:laugh:

and although the manual transmissions didn't have near the problems the automatics did, i still wouldn't trust it...the torqshift is a great transmission, many say it's just as good as the allison if not better...it gets very tough to find a truck that has the best of all worlds, some have strong transmission years but bad engines, vice versa, manual vs automatic, reliability, MPG, etc...with my research 2006 seems to be a good year to find, pre emissions...find a lbz duramax with an allison, 5.9 cummins which i think might have been the last year they made it, or the 6.0 which had most of the kinks worked out of it (still the most unreliable out of the big 3 though) but has the torqshift...i personally like ford overall but probably wouldn't buy '04-'07

Kleen Kutz
01-13-2013, 11:34 PM
not sure i can trust a man who has been in the transmission business for 30 years yet spells cummins with a G...:laugh:

and although the manual transmissions didn't have near the problems the automatics did, i still wouldn't trust it...the torqshift is a great transmission, many say it's just as good as the allison if not better...it gets very tough to find a truck that has the best of all worlds, some have strong transmission years but bad engines, vice versa, manual vs automatic, reliability, MPG, etc...with my research 2006 seems to be a good year to find, pre emissions...find a lbz duramax with an allison, 5.9 cummins which i think might have been the last year they made it, or the 6.0 which had most of the kinks worked out of it (still the most unreliable out of the big 3 though) but has the torqshift...i personally like ford overall but probably wouldn't buy '04-'07

What do you think about 2500 Chevy
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Snapper Jack
01-13-2013, 11:46 PM
So why do I know 10 Chevy owners who have dropped their trannys by putting their truck from drive to reverse? I do know guys with other brands who screwed up their trannys, but most were doing dumb stuff. Like pull offs, mudding or slamming gears.
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Did you even bother to read my post? I said they had a FEW mechanical problems and with the L60E it's prone to breaking the Sun Shell where the pinion drive gear rides, and needs to be replaced with either a hardened sun gear shell or replaced with Beast Shell. Despite this one prone failure,the Chevy is still a overall superior automatic transmission than Fords and Dodges.

jbell36
01-13-2013, 11:47 PM
first things first, how much are you trying to spend and do you have an idea of what year you want? and i guess secondly are you even looking at a diesel? i just jumped to conclusions and figured u were

personally, if i were you i would buy a 2006 or 2007 classic chevy duramax paired with the allison...i remember looking at this exact truck when i was purchasing in 2010 and simply couldn't find any that hadn't been sold yet...i liked the chevy better because it looked better than the GMC, i thought the GMC was ugly although there isn't much difference other than that...since you like chevy already this is what i would do, however i do like the looks of the 2007.5 and newer better but i would only go that route if you bought a gas engine...

for what it's worth, i ended up with a 2008 super duty power stroke...absolutely no regrets, now that i have all the emissions deleted

jbell36
01-13-2013, 11:51 PM
Did you even bother to read my post? I said they had a FEW mechanical problems and with the L60E it's prone to breaking the Sun Shell where the pinion drive gear rides, and needs to be replaced with either a hardened sun gear shell or replaced with Beast Shell. Despite this one prone failure,the Chevy is still a overall superior automatic transmission than Fords and Dodges.

i'm more or less just bustin' ur balls...u very much so have a valid point with a manual trans. and a cummins, a friend of mine is a farmer and has basically been nothing but a cummins family and they always got manual trans because they were better than the automatics...i just think dodges from the transmission back are the most problematic of the big 3, but they have the best engine, unfortunately

jbell36
01-13-2013, 11:57 PM
many say a cummins backed by an allison in a ford would be the ultimate truck, i would have to agree, but since that's not practical i side with ford simply because the trans. is comparable to the allison (since 2003) and if you delete emissions to the 6.4 or put in stronger head studs to the 6.0 (and delete EGR) then you can have a pretty reliable engine, sucks you have to do that but still...the problem with dodges is the truck that wraps the cummins...the only thing i dont like about GM is they come in dead last IN MY OPINION on looks, but overall might have the best track record as far as transmission and engine go...

Jimslawncareservice
01-13-2013, 11:59 PM
Did you even bother to read my post? I said they had a FEW mechanical problems and with the L60E it's prone to breaking the Sun Shell where the pinion drive gear rides, and needs to be replaced with either a hardened sun gear shell or replaced with Beast Shell. Despite this one prone failure,the Chevy is still a overall superior automatic transmission than Fords and Dodges.

Since your so expierenced is why I asked. And since I asked a question, yes I read your post. Slow down and don't jump to conclusions so fast.
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Snapper Jack
01-14-2013, 12:05 AM
not sure i can trust a man who has been in the transmission business for 30 years yet spells cummins with a G...:laugh:

and although the manual transmissions didn't have near the problems the automatics did, i still wouldn't trust it...the torqshift is a great transmission, many say it's just as good as the allison if not better...it gets very tough to find a truck that has the best of all worlds, some have strong transmission years but bad engines, vice versa, manual vs automatic, reliability, MPG, etc...with my research 2006 seems to be a good year to find, pre emissions...find a lbz duramax with an allison, 5.9 cummins which i think might have been the last year they made it, or the 6.0 which had most of the kinks worked out of it (still the most unreliable out of the big 3 though) but has the torqshift...i personally like ford overall but probably wouldn't buy '04-'07
Don't know who you can trust? me neither especially when you spell TorqueFlite like torqshift,what transmission is that anyways:laugh: The Fords and Dodges have in many ways kept the doors open to several transmissions shop in this region:laugh:

jbell36
01-14-2013, 12:11 AM
Don't know who you can trust? me neither especially when you spell Torqueflight like torqshift,what transmission is that anyways:laugh: The Fords and Dodges have in many ways kept the doors open to several transmissions shop in this region:laugh:

am i missing something? the f#$% is a torqueflight?

Snapper Jack
01-14-2013, 12:17 AM
Since your so expierenced is why I asked. And since I asked a question, yes I read your post. Slow down and don't jump to conclusions so fast.
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Jim,a lot gets misinterpreted on the internet, so my apologies.

Jimslawncareservice
01-14-2013, 12:21 AM
I suppose I should have worded it differently. I know how I want to type something, but sometimes it comes out different then intended.
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Snapper Jack
01-14-2013, 12:25 AM
am i missing something? the f#$% is a torqueflight?
What am I missing?:dizzy: Cuz I don't get it and it's late so I'm going to bed:sleeping::waving:

jbell36
01-14-2013, 12:35 AM
well i think you were trying to make fun of me but it back fired...i was talking about the torqshift, fords torqshift, you do know that ford calls their transmission the torqshift don't you? not the horrendous TorqueFlite, which you originally misspelled (i noticed you corrected it)...i didn't even know chrysler called their transmission a torqueflite, i always thought it was something like 46re...but then again i'm not the transmission specialist here

jbell36
01-14-2013, 12:37 AM
ha, so where's the OP at? are we helping any or have you now decided to switch professions?

Snapper Jack
01-14-2013, 05:52 AM
ha, so where's the OP at? are we helping any or have you now decided to switch professions?

I was catching upping on my :sleeping: I take it the TorqueFlite's 707 and 906 were before your time and no I'm not changing occupations anytime soon.

jbell36
01-14-2013, 06:22 AM
ha, so where's the OP at? are we helping any or have you now decided to switch professions?

OP as in the Original Poster, the guy who started the thread, i wonder if he has given up on us yet...

Kleen Kutz
01-14-2013, 09:08 AM
OP as in the Original Poster, the guy who started the thread, i wonder if he has given up on us yet...

Oh no buddy I was catching up on my zzzzzzzzzz's too!!! Sounds like someone get into it hah? Lol
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sealcutter
01-14-2013, 01:50 PM
I was catching upping on my :sleeping: I take it the TorqueFlite's 707 and 906 were before your time and no I'm not changing occupations anytime soon.

You mean 727 right... I had more problems with my Fords trans. over the Dodges I owned in the past 8 years.

meets1
01-14-2013, 08:11 PM
My uncle is service manager at a large ford dealership. His best friend of 30 years owns a GM dealership, and his son is Vise president of large dodge dealer. HE got me few facts from those three over the weekend. This is based on 2011 models as 12 are still out and 13's are starting to sell. 3/4 diesels is what he opted on. Ford has been by far more trouble-some than the other two. Anything from the engine to tranny problems and he doesn't like the idea of lifting the cab away from the bed to fix. The dodge had less probelms on the engine. It is proven over time. Although there were some issues and more trannies than anything else. GM faired the best. Least ammount of work done on a Dmax and tranny. He said those they seen were messing around and uncalled for. My uncles took all there records from 50 serviced trucks that came in with issues for 2011 model year. Maybe that year was better for some and worse for others. In my area most 3/4 tons are hooked to a 5th wheel livestock trailer or some sort of concrete, conscrtuction business. So they wanted to see where the problems were (type of work there doing) vs the farmer coming into town for coffee and sitting at the livestock auction (as my uncle called them , Ice Cream Trucks)

So whatever this tid bit of info is worth to you but my uncle is still Die Hard FORD!

cpllawncare
01-14-2013, 09:28 PM
I don't care one way or another, my dad was a diehard ford guy and I'm a diehard ford guy, if it breaks I fix it that simple, if it breaks a lot I sell it and buy a bigger one so as not to put as much strain on it. Most guys around here use 250's, very few dodge's a few chevys and a few GMC's but the majority by far are 250's

jbell36
01-15-2013, 09:50 AM
My uncle is service manager at a large ford dealership. His best friend of 30 years owns a GM dealership, and his son is Vise president of large dodge dealer. HE got me few facts from those three over the weekend. This is based on 2011 models as 12 are still out and 13's are starting to sell. 3/4 diesels is what he opted on. Ford has been by far more trouble-some than the other two. Anything from the engine to tranny problems and he doesn't like the idea of lifting the cab away from the bed to fix. The dodge had less probelms on the engine. It is proven over time. Although there were some issues and more trannies than anything else. GM faired the best. Least ammount of work done on a Dmax and tranny. He said those they seen were messing around and uncalled for. My uncles took all there records from 50 serviced trucks that came in with issues for 2011 model year. Maybe that year was better for some and worse for others. In my area most 3/4 tons are hooked to a 5th wheel livestock trailer or some sort of concrete, conscrtuction business. So they wanted to see where the problems were (type of work there doing) vs the farmer coming into town for coffee and sitting at the livestock auction (as my uncle called them , Ice Cream Trucks)

So whatever this tid bit of info is worth to you but my uncle is still Die Hard FORD!

hmmm, that's very interesting...it seems like ford has had a great truck since the 2011 (6.7L) came out, i honestly haven't heard any issues...from '03-'10 there were issues but that was mainly because of Navistar, not Ford, since there were so many problems ford eventually cut them off and made everything "in house." the consensus on the GM's seems the same, never any major problems, still my least favorite of the 3 tho...the dodge's 6.7 cummins from what i hear is basically a 5.9 with emissions on it...the 5.9 is probably the most proven diesel out there, actually, there is no probably about it, it's still wrapped in a dodge tho...with that said, i hear dodge is making huge improvements from rust problems to better interior...it will be interesting to see who has the best truck in the near future, it seems like all of them are making a lot of improvements...

not sure about the others, but it looks like GM is doing an undercoating for all of their new trucks to prevent rust, great idea...

what i don't like about the new fords is you have to lift the cab for any major work...they also have urea...it is the heaviest truck too, not sure i like that, kills MPG's...everything about the ford is heavy, even the doors and tailgate are much heavier than my friends GM, just seems unnecessary...

i'm still a ford guy

Kleen Kutz
01-15-2013, 01:07 PM
So far sounds like Chevy don't have problems like Dodge of Ford trucks. :-{)
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KrayzKajun
01-15-2013, 01:42 PM
Go dodge! Hoping to add another ram to my fleet this year.
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dstifel
01-15-2013, 03:20 PM
So far sounds like Chevy don't have problems like Dodge of Ford trucks. :-{)
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If you like rust this is true. Haha

Kleen Kutz
01-15-2013, 03:42 PM
If you like rust this is true. Haha

I have an 02 Chevy and I've never had any problems or rust at all. But what's the rust problem with them?
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dieselfuel
01-15-2013, 03:52 PM
any of the three will work, as long as you properly match your truck's capabilities to the weight of the trailer you are going to pull. They have GVWR and GCWR calculators and the manufacturer's give you their ratings so you can figure it all out. If you're pulling with a smaller truck I would just make sure you have a trans. cooler and the proper braking equipment.

Kleen Kutz
01-15-2013, 03:55 PM
any of the three will work, as long as you properly match your truck's capabilities to the weight of the trailer you are going to pull. They have GVWR and GCWR calculators and the manufacturer's give you their ratings so you can figure it all out. If you're pulling with a smaller truck I would just make sure you have a trans. cooler and the proper braking equipment.

Braking system is a must.
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dstifel
01-15-2013, 04:30 PM
Well I'm from Iowa so I see a lot of rusty chevys . They all seem to around here but Chevy more so then others. More or less just giving you sh!t.

cpllawncare
01-15-2013, 07:48 PM
Rust isn't a problem here, except when you yankee's send them down here to try and get rid of them, but we're onto you! LOL

Darryl G
01-16-2013, 08:56 PM
So why do I know 10 Chevy owners who have dropped their trannys by putting their truck from drive to reverse? I do know guys with other brands who screwed up their trannys, but most were doing dumb stuff. Like pull offs, mudding or slamming gears.
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Sounds like a question only you could answer. Think back to how or where you met them.

Blades Lawn Maintenance
01-17-2013, 12:30 AM
I'm too lazy to go back and see who said it but someone said that you already have a chevy and it has been pretty good to you so why not go back to them. As far as the rust thing, i think thats from the salt used when it snows up north of us (some of you northern guys correct me if im wrong). I have a uncle that owns a 2007 Dmax and he loves it and he did a butt load of research before even going to the dealership and looking. I don't know if you want a diesel or or not but I'm sure a 2500 gas would be fine.

dstifel
01-17-2013, 03:32 PM
You are correct my trucks get power washed every weekend mainly the underside to keep salt of them up here i hate it.