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HenryB
01-14-2013, 04:09 PM
:dizzy:Has Exmark lost their minds. I knew they were over priced but this is what their local dealer told me they list for. But he said I can buy two of them for $8699 each. Maybe they just want to sell machines to Brickman and forget us smaller fish.

Richard Martin
01-14-2013, 04:11 PM
It wasn't that long ago that you could buy a 25 HP 60" Lazer Z ZTR for $2,000 less than that.

Tunica
01-14-2013, 04:21 PM
dealer here wants 6999.99 cash price for 52" pioneer E.

lawnkingforever
01-14-2013, 05:16 PM
All these companies now are a joke. I have no loyalty to any of them, including dealers. I buy parts on line and fix or repair myself. I keep back up equipment so I'm never in a bind. Warranties are another joke, what is implied and what is actually covered are completely different.

Commercial handhelds are now throw aways. I use to keep up on maintenance on mine, now I do the bare minimum to keep them going and run them into the ground, then sell them or toss them aside. Easier just too spend a few hundred bucks every couple years than spend time and money on parts on something that may only last so long no matter what you do.
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jaybow
01-14-2013, 05:31 PM
New Tax hikes probably play a role in this, along with Obamacare.
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weaver
01-14-2013, 05:31 PM
:dizzy:Has Exmark lost their minds. I knew they were over priced but this is what their local dealer told me they list for. But he said I can buy two of them for $8699 each WTF. Maybe they just want to sell machines to Brickman and forget us smaller fish.

Ya there running about $6500 now for a 36 in TT.. They had a huge price increase about 2 years ago... That mower was about $5700 2 seasons ago..
Does anyone know what the Scags are price wise?

Darryl G
01-14-2013, 06:07 PM
Wow...I would have to mow a lot of $15 lawns to every pay for something like that. :)

There's really not much less to a Turf Tracer than a zero turn rider though.

weaver
01-14-2013, 06:19 PM
Wow...I would have to mow a lot of $15 lawns to every pay for something like that. :)

There's really not much less to a Turf Tracer than a zero turn rider though.

At $15 everyother wk you might be able to get the wheels & tires at the end of the season..:laugh:

T Scapes
01-14-2013, 06:47 PM
i paid $9K for a Scag Tiger Cat 2012 with a 60in deck and 27hp kawi

HenryB
01-14-2013, 07:39 PM
Comparable Scag, Ferris and Snapper Pro's 61 in mowers range from $5600-$7000. I run Exmarks now but I guess it's time for a change. This pricing is just stupid. I hope Brickman doesn't contract a different brand for their sake

Darryl G
01-14-2013, 07:42 PM
At $15 everyother wk you might be able to get the wheels & tires at the end of the season..:laugh:
I can do better than that cuz I got no overhead! :laugh:

larryinalabama
01-14-2013, 07:47 PM
I guess Worldlawn may get bigger.

LandFakers
01-14-2013, 08:25 PM
These high retail prices are also what is killing the used market. People want 4k for their 10 year old walk behind with 1500 hours. Its a frickin joke

Will P.C.
01-14-2013, 08:44 PM
Does anyone know why there is such a price increase? Does anything about this machine justify the price?

Darryl G
01-14-2013, 08:47 PM
The full Turf Tracers are kind of a super deluxe walk behind.

Jimslawncareservice
01-14-2013, 09:28 PM
A new snapper 48" hydro walk behind is mid 4k. A new deere/wright stander 52" is 7500.
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knox gsl
01-14-2013, 10:18 PM
I went to price a full sized 52" turf tracer last fall, with a stand on and tax it was more than the vantage, and that was more than the V-ride from scag. I now have a new V-ride after being a diehard exmark guy, they lost me to being overpriced.

sjessen
01-14-2013, 10:30 PM
The larger vantages, turf tracers, etc have efi engines which adds nearly $1000 to the list price. But, even at that, they are still expensive. Toro is in this to make money and more money this year than last as are all of the manufacturers. Those who are cheaper are trying to buy market share based on price. Once they accomplish that their prices will rise as well. In the automotive world Hyundai has used this same marketing strategy.

knox gsl
01-14-2013, 10:43 PM
In the automotive world Hyundai has used this same marketing strategy.

I went to the dealership last year to look at an Optima for my wife, while walking around I had to check out the Genesis, it was close to $50k.

sjessen
01-14-2013, 10:47 PM
I went to the dealership last year to look at an Optima for my wife, while walking around I had to check out the Genesis, it was close to $50k.

We rented an Optima last week while in Nebraska visiting my parents. Nice enough car, handled well, got about 32 mpg in 30 degree weather. Rear visibility is not so good. Used to be in love with the Genesis but decided they are too big for us plus I wanted better mileage so we ended up getting a used Camry hybrid.

Hope you are well. We need to get together for coffee or lunch.

T Scapes
01-14-2013, 11:04 PM
has anyone looked at the comparison on their fuel usage with efi engines? I was on kohlers website with their fuel calculator and it said it would save $640 a year on average fuel cost

S. Scapes
01-15-2013, 12:00 AM
Snapper Pro mowers are where I'm heading to. A 48'' ztr with the ICD deck (like on Ferris mowers) go for $6500 with a 23.5 KAW engine. Still pricey but it beats exmarks prices and they're very reliable these days

weaver
01-15-2013, 12:23 AM
I tell you what i still got newer mowers with low hours but if there prices are still this crazy im definately switching brands.. I been looking at bobcat mowers...
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Greyst1
01-15-2013, 12:45 AM
WOW, that is freaking ridiculous! With those prices no doubt Exmark/Toro will be losing market share. There mower are really nothing special, same with their decks. Ferris, snapper pro and scag for me. Unfreaking believable 10K for a walk. LOL

Darryl G
01-15-2013, 12:56 AM
Bob-Cats are popular in my area, due partly I'm sure to an excellent local dealer. They did have some problems with the new Predator Pro models when they first came out, but hopefully they got all that worked out. My next Z rider will probably be a Bob-Cat or Husqvarna. It seems that a lot of the manufacturers have finially gotten their decks redesigned to give a cut that gives Exmark a run for their money and perhaps even exceeded it.

zak406
01-15-2013, 03:28 AM
I got a price on a navigator today. For the efi they wanted 15 grand, without efi and a 20 hp was 2 g left. I could have gotten a walker 26 efi for a thousand less than the 20hp navigator. Exmark has lost there mind....

T Scapes
01-15-2013, 04:37 AM
I got a price on a navigator today. For the efi they wanted 15 grand, without efi and a 20 hp was 2 g left. I could have gotten a walker 26 efi for a thousand less than the 20hp navigator. Exmark has lost there mind....

im waiting to here the numbers on lazer Z X series with a kawi engine and 60in deck with a bagger. Im almost scared to see if after reading this thread

zak406
01-15-2013, 05:53 AM
im waiting to here the numbers on lazer Z X series with a kawi engine and 60in deck with a bagger. Im almost scared to see if after reading this thread

Even my dealer said after looking up the price there nuts haha... I only mow one or two days a week depending on weather. The rest of the time I landscape, it would take a long time to pay off that mower haha...

weaver
01-15-2013, 07:50 AM
A 48 s series, 2 years ago about 8k this year looks like 10.2k.. neither price is without tax...
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olebrooklawn
01-15-2013, 10:31 AM
im waiting to here the numbers on lazer Z X series with a kawi engine and 60in deck with a bagger. Im almost scared to see if after reading this thread

My Dealer gave me a price on exmark X with red 60 deck 13,600. Said X series without Efi are around 10k. its crazy. In my area i can buy top of line kubota zd for 14k with 0% for 60.

tom's mowers
01-15-2013, 11:00 AM
Henry, your pricing is way off, need to shop buddy!

zak406
01-15-2013, 11:49 AM
:nono:My Dealer gave me a price on exmark X with red 60 deck 13,600. Said X series without Efi are around 10k. its crazy. In my area i can buy top of line kubota zd for 14k with 0% for 60.

Its sad when you can buy a kubota u17 excavator brand new, and it only cost 15 grand more than a mower. Probably make you more money to haha.

tom's mowers
01-15-2013, 12:04 PM
Don't know where you are getting your pricing , just got one for 36" .$5999.

dhardin53
01-15-2013, 12:57 PM
Comparing equipment cost to $per hour income is interesting. A old class mate of mine just bought a new Cat 420D backhoe for less than $100 grand. He gets on average $100. per hour. When todays $9000 ztr would be able to show a average income around here of $70 per hour income.

ddixon7
01-15-2013, 01:09 PM
im waiting to here the numbers on lazer Z X series with a kawi engine and 60in deck with a bagger. Im almost scared to see if after reading this thread

Just bought a Lazer Z X series with 34 hp Kohler, 60" deck, Fancy seat, without bagger for 11k plus tax.

yardguy28
01-15-2013, 01:10 PM
what's a joke is how the machines cost differently EVERYWHERE.

exmarks are the cheapest in price in my neck of the woods. not sure exactly what the 60" tt's are running but not that much. a price like that, I'm walking out with a ztr or standon.

just checked my local dealer. $6399 for the 60" tt.

Jimslawncareservice
01-15-2013, 01:20 PM
what's a joke is how the machines cost differently EVERYWHERE.

exmarks are the cheapest in price in my neck of the woods. not sure exactly what the 60" tt's are running but not that much. a price like that, I'm walking out with a ztr or standon.

just checked my local dealer. $6399 for the 60" tt.

Dealers here 4-5 years ago were 7500 for a 60" and 7300 or so for a 52"
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sjessen
01-15-2013, 01:28 PM
what's a joke is how the machines cost differently EVERYWHERE.

exmarks are the cheapest in price in my neck of the woods. not sure exactly what the 60" tt's are running but not that much. a price like that, I'm walking out with a ztr or standon.

just checked my local dealer. $6399 for the 60" tt.

What is the name of your dealer? Some of us might like to purchase our equipment through him.

jiggz
01-15-2013, 03:14 PM
ferris/ snapper pro 60" just as good as a TT and they are around 6 g's

LMAO at 10 grand for a W/B

Richard Martin
01-15-2013, 04:24 PM
Don't know where you are getting your pricing , just got one for 36" .$5999.

And I think the thought of paying $6,000 for a 36" walk behind is nuts. I'd be willing to bet that you can get a Bobcat hydro 36" for at least $1,000 less than that.

T Scapes
01-15-2013, 04:35 PM
My Dealer gave me a price on exmark X with red 60 deck 13,600. Said X series without Efi are around 10k. its crazy. In my area i can buy top of line kubota zd for 14k with 0% for 60.

i got my scag tiger cat for 9k and i could get a cheetah with a 31kawi and 61in deck for $10,500

jrs.landscaping
01-15-2013, 04:40 PM
And I think the thought of paying $6,000 for a 36" walk behind is nuts. I'd be willing to bet that you can get a Bobcat hydro 36" for at least $1,000 less than that.

I agree. I demoed a 36" Exmark stander and the price was a little under 6k.

weaver
01-15-2013, 05:17 PM
While i have not checked prices with my dealer this season, this guy has always ran about the same and always had really good prices until this season..
http://iss-go.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=112&zenid=1195f66183fe97686b6daba615c6c59e

weaver
01-15-2013, 05:19 PM
And I think the thought of paying $6,000 for a 36" walk behind is nuts. I'd be willing to bet that you can get a Bobcat hydro 36" for at least $1,000 less than that.

I think the last i saw the 36 Bob-cat hydro with z controls here was running about $4500, but that also was about a year ago..

Darryl G
01-15-2013, 05:42 PM
But aren't the Bob-Cats fixed deck only? I change cutting height pretty often and like a floating deck for the easy height adjust. And they max out at 54 inches so if you wanted a 60 you're out of luck.

jiggz
01-15-2013, 05:45 PM
And I think the thought of paying $6,000 for a 36" walk behind is nuts. I'd be willing to bet that you can get a Bobcat hydro 36" for at least $1,000 less than that.

without a doubt..new 36 bobcat belts are 3200. great machine for the price!!..you can prolly grab a hydro for low to mid 4's

jiggz
01-15-2013, 05:50 PM
But aren't the Bob-Cats fixed deck only? I change cutting height pretty often and like a floating deck for the easy height adjust. And they max out at 54 inches so if you wanted a 60 you're out of luck.


yea they havent made a floating deck w/b in years

weaver
01-15-2013, 05:51 PM
without a doubt..new 36 bobcat belts are 3200. great machine for the price!!..you can prolly grab a hydro for low to mid 4's

$2650 here

weaver
01-15-2013, 05:56 PM
But aren't the Bob-Cats fixed deck only? I change cutting height pretty often and like a floating deck for the easy height adjust. And they max out at 54 inches so if you wanted a 60 you're out of luck.

What would be another option? Scag doesn't make a floating deck anymore do they? I guess Ferris...

Darryl G
01-15-2013, 06:10 PM
JD has floating deck walk behinds but they're probably more expensive than Exmark, lol. http://www.deere.com/wps/dcom/en_US/products/equipment/commercial_walk_and_stand_on_mowers/commercial_walk_behind_mowers_series/commercial_walk_behind_mowers_series.page?

Jimslawncareservice
01-15-2013, 06:14 PM
JD has floating deck walk behinds but they're probably more expensive than Exmark, lol. http://www.deere.com/wps/dcom/en_US/products/equipment/commercial_walk_and_stand_on_mowers/commercial_walk_behind_mowers_series/commercial_walk_behind_mowers_series.page?


That's a load of bs
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weaver
01-15-2013, 06:17 PM
That's a load of bs
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Is JD priced really good? The only people that use them around here are the park/recreational people..(the city)

Darryl G
01-15-2013, 06:24 PM
My dealer wanted almost $15k for a 925A with the MOD deck and 3 bag bagger 2 years ago and claimed that was steeply discounted, lol. And I said probably Jim, I don't think you can call BS on that.

Jimslawncareservice
01-15-2013, 06:24 PM
Is JD priced really good? The only people that use them around here are the park/recreational people..(the city)

I know thier stander both the gravely and wright version are 7500. The walk behinds are less. Most are pretty comparative. Some dealers will put retail prices on the mower which are iynflated. Ask them for a price and its way less in most cases.
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Jimslawncareservice
01-15-2013, 06:26 PM
My dealer wanted almost $15k for a 925A with the MOD deck and 3 bag bagger 2 years ago and claimed that was steeply discounted, lol. And I said probably Jim, I don't think you can call BS on that.

What's his number? I'll call and see for myself. Exmark is in that price bracket and they don't have the mod feature.
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jiggz
01-15-2013, 06:28 PM
$2650 here

wow. just wow

Richard Martin
01-15-2013, 06:28 PM
While i have not checked prices with my dealer this season, this guy has always ran about the same and always had really good prices until this season..
http://iss-go.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=112&zenid=1195f66183fe97686b6daba615c6c59e

Exmark has totally lost it. I was never going to buy another Exmark anyway, but that is insane. $15,000 for ANY 60" mower is crazy let alone $20,000 for the diesel version.

weaver
01-15-2013, 06:29 PM
I really do feel as another said in this thread, the prices seem to be different all over.. As for me i'm tired of spending everything i make on new equipment, but don't wanna be fixing lower end stuff all the time either. I really do think when it comes time again i'll check out the Bob-cats.. Don't really see any around here but those prices are awesome..

Darryl G
01-15-2013, 06:33 PM
What's his number? I'll call and see for myself. Exmark is in that price bracket and they don't have the mod feature.
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That was for the 54 inch deck and like I said 2 years ago. It's New England Power Equipment in Old Saybrook, CT. I don't have their number handy. I don't do business with them unless I need parts for my tractor.

weaver
01-15-2013, 06:33 PM
Exmark has totally lost it. I was never going to buy another Exmark anyway, but that is insane. $15,000 for ANY 60" mower is crazy let alone $20,000 for the diesel version.

I know.. There are guys on here getting Scag Cheetahs for 10k.. They just seem to have got really expensive all of a sudden..

Jimslawncareservice
01-15-2013, 06:38 PM
The link provided above for the exmarks sure seems out of line. The snappers seem high. The navigator is way over priced.
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Jimslawncareservice
01-15-2013, 06:39 PM
That was for the 54 inch deck and like I said 2 years ago. It's New England Power Equipment in Old Saybrook, CT. I don't have their number handy. I don't do business with them unless I need parts for my tractor.

I'll look it and get a quote.
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weaver
01-15-2013, 06:41 PM
The link provided above for the exmarks sure seems out of line. The snappers seem high. The navigator is way over priced.
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I bet alot of guys who go out to buy this spring will be suprised on price increases.. Those dear prices you posted do sound good though..

weaver
01-15-2013, 06:48 PM
Norwalk still has good prices on there stuff,but you have sign up for there account to see the prices...

http://www.norwalkpower.net/store/pc/Exmark-Zero-Turn-Mowers-c178.htm

Jimslawncareservice
01-15-2013, 06:52 PM
I bet alot of guys who go out to buy this spring will be suprised on price increases.. Those dear prices you posted do sound good though..

Those were prices I got at green EXPO last week. Scag cheetah was 10,200 to 11,600 depending on engine option. I believe the deere 960m without the flex forks and mod deck was 11700 or close to that. A grass hopper with a 52" deck, cab and broom was 21000. I looked at exmark but didn't get prices because I know I.won't buy another z turn from them unless its a navigator.
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Fwilamosky
01-15-2013, 06:56 PM
i didn't read all through this thread, but read the most. I too have noticed that exmark has been pricing themselves out my range and a lot around here. I mean sure they are reliable and leave a great cut, but they're not the only machine out there that can do that. I personally have a 48in snapper pro sw30 bought last year for 4100 including a bagger and a 61in bobcat procat 26 hp (i believe) for around 7800. bought leave a great cut and if want that extra deep stripe then buy a striping kit for a couple hundred. Just my 2 cents

jrs.landscaping
01-15-2013, 06:57 PM
My dealer wanted almost $15k for a 925A with the MOD deck and 3 bag bagger 2 years ago and claimed that was steeply discounted, lol. And I said probably Jim, I don't think you can call BS on that.

That's close to what we paid for our 997 with DFS bagger.

weaver
01-15-2013, 06:59 PM
That's close to what we paid for our 997 with DFS bagger.

That's the diesel version isn't it?

Fwilamosky
01-15-2013, 07:01 PM
What would be another option? Scag doesn't make a floating deck anymore do they? I guess Ferris...

snapper pro makes a 36in floating deck, that's what i'm leaning to adding this year

doobs41378
01-15-2013, 07:26 PM
i didn't read all through this thread, but read the most. I too have noticed that exmark has been pricing themselves out my range and a lot around here. I mean sure they are reliable and leave a great cut, but they're not the only machine out there that can do that. I personally have a 48in snapper pro sw30 bought last year for 4100 including a bagger and a 61in bobcat procat 26 hp (i believe) for around 7800. bought leave a great cut and if want that extra deep stripe then buy a striping kit for a couple hundred. Just my 2 cents

Was that Snapper brand new for that price?

jrs.landscaping
01-15-2013, 08:25 PM
That's the diesel version isn't it?

Yes, with a 72" deck.

weaver
01-15-2013, 08:53 PM
Yes, with a 72" deck.

Make sure you keep that screen cleaned out on the back of the hood.. Heard some nightmare stories..

Darryl G
01-15-2013, 09:20 PM
That's close to what we paid for our 997 with DFS bagger.

Yeah but Jim seems to think it's a great deal so that's all that matters, lol.

yardguy28
01-15-2013, 09:21 PM
What is the name of your dealer? Some of us might like to purchase our equipment through him.

muttonpower.com is there address.

here is the specific link with the 60" tt:

http://www.muttonpower.com/store/mobilebrowseproduct.aspx?entitytype=Manufacturer&entityid=47&pagenum=2

last item on the page.

if you guys start purchasing equipment through my dealer PLEASE mention my name. maybe I'll get a break for bringing him business.

Darryl G
01-15-2013, 09:26 PM
You really think any of us would admit knowing you?

SDLandscapes VT
01-15-2013, 09:28 PM
I just want to add a little to this discussion

I just had this chat with my dealer about this very concern--situation; we are looking for a walker/navigator to put on the trailer for our second crew. We demoed a navigator and made some modifications to it so that it behaved more like a walker and we were really impressed. Our biggest concern is not brand so much as we work almost exclusively with this dealer because of their standard of service. When we asked for a quote on this machine with the modifications (about $165) for this fall the price was a walloping $16,200.00 pre tax. I have a very open line of communication with the owner of the dealership and I explained to him my concern in the almost $5K price difference to the walker. He opened up to me about their pricing structure and the issue in the high pricing was not him but the distributor. Based on the replies to this thread it seems that this distributor may be responsible for increasing prices on more than just our area.

Thoughts?

sjessen
01-15-2013, 09:29 PM
muttonpower.com is there address.

here is the specific link with the 60" tt:

http://www.muttonpower.com/store/mobilebrowseproduct.aspx?entitytype=Manufacturer&entityid=47&pagenum=2

last item on the page.

if you guys start purchasing equipment through my dealer PLEASE mention my name. maybe I'll get a break for bringing him business.

Thanks yardguy!! Those are phenomenal prices.

yardguy28
01-15-2013, 09:34 PM
You really think any of us would admit knowing you?

so maybe I should stop talking you up to my buddy's......:laugh:

Thanks yardguy!! Those are phenomenal prices.

no problem. glad to help out.

Darryl G
01-15-2013, 10:24 PM
Someone mentioned used mower prices being up there too...check this one out...with 1550 hours still want $6000. http://newhaven.craigslist.org/grd/3529720301.html

gdguth
01-15-2013, 11:32 PM
Norwalk still has good prices on there stuff,but you have sign up for there account to see the prices...

http://www.norwalkpower.net/store/pc/Exmark-Zero-Turn-Mowers-c178.htm

Weaver,
Sorry, this may be off topic a little but have you ever ordered from norwalk before? If so, how did it go. I ordered a mulch kit for my Turf Tracer on Dec 11th and have yet to see it. I have called them numerous times and keep getting the run around that it will be shipped by a certain date and it never does. I think there is a reason there stuff is cheaper. I just hope that I will eventually get what I ordered. As of now though, I am probably going to have to open a dispute with my CC and get it resolved.

I found this review shortly after I ordered. http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Norwalk_Power_Equipment_Company
I wish I would have seen it before I did. It is basically the same experience that I am having.

Guys beware of Norwalk!!!!!!

beano
01-15-2013, 11:45 PM
Bought a Snapper Pro 60" with a suspension seat with tax out the door for less than $7000. Works great and Id put the ICD deck up to any other. Great piece of machinery. No more exmark for me!

zak406
01-16-2013, 01:40 AM
I just want to add a little to this discussion

I just had this chat with my dealer about this very concern--situation; we are looking for a walker/navigator to put on the trailer for our second crew. We demoed a navigator and made some modifications to it so that it behaved more like a walker and we were really impressed. Our biggest concern is not brand so much as we work almost exclusively with this dealer because of their standard of service. When we asked for a quote on this machine with the modifications (about $165) for this fall the price was a walloping $16,200.00 pre tax. I have a very open line of communication with the owner of the dealership and I explained to him my concern in the almost $5K price difference to the walker. He opened up to me about their pricing structure and the issue in the high pricing was not him but the distributor. Based on the replies to this thread it seems that this distributor may be responsible for increasing prices on more than just our area.

Thoughts?

I dont quite buy that. Its not the dealers, its not the distributors, its exmark themselves. They name the price. Now the price may fluxuate in different areas because quite frankly nobody is going to buy a 15000 dollar machine in downtown detroit. The money is just not there, however in high end areas they can get away with charging that. Overall though its a price increase, taxes are higher these days, employees pay is higher, health insurance premiums are higher, ex ex. Alot of people wanted this to happen and insured it when voting for obama. People need to realize costs have gone up across the board, look at your local grocery store, car dealer, and department store....

ddixon7
01-16-2013, 02:08 AM
My 36" WB is 20 years old and probably should be replaced. Was thinking about an Exmark, but now think I will get another Encore. I can probably get an Encore 36" Hydro for $3500. Only use on about 25 small back yards a week. I am not going to fork over $6000 for a 36"... It is hard to fathom 10k for a Turf Tracer.. I just bought another 60" last year for $6800. They are very nice, and I would say the best walk behinds, but the difference between them and Ferris is not THAT much!

yardguy28
01-16-2013, 08:49 AM
you must not have checked out muttonpower.com.

that should tell one major thing, that prices for equipment are clearly different in different parts of the country. I can't remember where the OP is from but I'm in IN and I know he isn't.

when I was digging up that link for the 60" tt I did come across the exmark 36" metro and it was like $3200. but that was I believe the gear driven model. didn't see the hydro models.

Richard Martin
01-16-2013, 10:07 AM
when I was digging up that link for the 60" tt I did come across the exmark 36" metro and it was like $3200. but that was I believe the gear driven model. didn't see the hydro models.

Even that is a crazy price. The price of Metros has risen by 50% in a decade? That's some severe inflation. The amount of money we make on each customer hasn't risen anywhere near 50% in a decade. The price of fuel is up 100+% in the last decade.

Darryl G
01-16-2013, 10:29 AM
Yet some people still claim they have "no overhead."

Fwilamosky
01-16-2013, 11:10 AM
Was that Snapper brand new for that price?

yes it was, 48in sw30 with a grass gobbler

Jimslawncareservice
01-16-2013, 11:12 AM
Even that is a crazy price. The price of Metros has risen by 50% in a decade? That's some severe inflation. The amount of money we make on each customer hasn't risen anywhere near 50% in a decade. The price of fuel is up 100+% in the last decade.

The prices are pretty much if not cheaper than a decade ago. people that don't understand how to calculate the cost of business is really hurting prices. A lot of lawns should be $100 if you figure inflation according to gas and equipment costs. Even trucks are high. 30k for a basic 3/4 or 1 ton truck is crazy.
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Groomer
01-16-2013, 01:43 PM
just checked with my dealer, he lists the 60" Turf Tracer at 8100.00.

HPI_Savage25
01-16-2013, 02:06 PM
I just called two different dealers to get prices on a lazer z s series 48" and the prices were different by $1000 and only 10mins away from each other
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yardguy28
01-16-2013, 02:25 PM
Even that is a crazy price. The price of Metros has risen by 50% in a decade? That's some severe inflation. The amount of money we make on each customer hasn't risen anywhere near 50% in a decade. The price of fuel is up 100+% in the last decade.

can't speak for a decade ago.

I know my 36" metro was $3000 with a mulch kit. that was 7 years ago.

weaver
01-16-2013, 04:43 PM
I just called two different dealers to get prices on a lazer z s series 48" and the prices were different by $1000 and only 10mins away from each other
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So it doesn't really look like Exmark had that much of a mark up, looks like it just depends on where you buy from.. The prices i found the other day just floored me, but yardguy actually found some descent prices in Indiana no to far from me.. I still have not got any prices from dealers around here, they don't like giving out prices. They want you to come in sit down with them and talk abunch just to price some stuff..

yardguy28
01-16-2013, 04:56 PM
maybe now people will understand when i tell them in my neck of the woods exmarks and toros are on the low end of the cost. cause now they know they are true.

i have one dealer for scag, walker and wright stander and those are all more than the exmarks and toros.

i've always used toro and exmark. i've always been happy with there quality cuts and they make a good solid machine.

Greyst1
01-16-2013, 10:27 PM
Ummm Mutton Power's pricing is nothing special. I guess if you compare it to Exmark dealers pricing then yea i guess its marginally cheaper marginally! Compare that to Scag & Ferris dealers or even Bobcat Snapper Pro, Exmark is still way overpriced for what you get. Just my .02

yardguy28
01-16-2013, 11:11 PM
Ummm Mutton Power's pricing is nothing special. I guess if you compare it to Exmark dealers pricing then yea i guess its marginally cheaper marginally! Compare that to Scag & Ferris dealers or even Bobcat Snapper Pro, Exmark is still way overpriced for what you get. Just my .02

I disagree. I don't find anything special about scag, walker or wright standard for the price they are in my market.

I never said mutton powers prices were special. but according to others on here they seem to be better than what there dealers are offering. and what do you mean compare it to exmark dealers. mutton power IS an exmark dealer. the only one in town too.

I feel scag, walker and wright stander are WAY over priced for what you get. nothing special or better about them. the ONLY one I can say has anything special or better is walkers GHS but that's it. they all cut good and are quality machines.

lets not turn this thread into a pissing contest of which brands are better.

Greyst1
01-16-2013, 11:21 PM
I disagree. I don't find anything special about scag, walker or wright standard for the price they are in my market.

I never said mutton powers prices were special. but according to others on here they seem to be better than what there dealers are offering. and what do you mean compare it to exmark dealers. mutton power IS an exmark dealer. the only one in town too.

I feel scag, walker and wright stander are WAY over priced for what you get. nothing special or better about them. the ONLY one I can say has anything special or better is walkers GHS but that's it. they all cut good and are quality machines.

lets not turn this thread into a pissing contest of which brands are better.

I know MP is an Exmark dealer, i meant other Exmark dealers. Most dealers won't post their prices on a website. Heck, most don't even have a website or one that's worth while. Walker is another one that is over priced but they have a product that is extremely unique with little direct competition (navigator).

You never said their prices are special however your post of the MP site to reference that Exmarks pricing isn't as high as everyone's saying doesn't really support your point. None the less this thread was started about the TT's high pricing.

I'm definitely not turning this thread into another "who's the best mower" thread but its commonly known and reasonable to think that high priced products will associate itself with high quality, unique solution offer, great CS, etc, etc, etc, which i believe exmark is a competitor in that field, i just don't feel that their price is inline with the industry's best so you can relax!

yardguy28
01-17-2013, 12:58 PM
I know MP is an Exmark dealer, i meant other Exmark dealers. Most dealers won't post their prices on a website. Heck, most don't even have a website or one that's worth while. Walker is another one that is over priced but they have a product that is extremely unique with little direct competition (navigator).

You never said their prices are special however your post of the MP site to reference that Exmarks pricing isn't as high as everyone's saying doesn't really support your point. None the less this thread was started about the TT's high pricing.

I'm definitely not turning this thread into another "who's the best mower" thread but its commonly known and reasonable to think that high priced products will associate itself with high quality, unique solution offer, great CS, etc, etc, etc, which i believe exmark is a competitor in that field, i just don't feel that their price is inline with the industry's best so you can relax!

I'm relaxed enough dude. but it's hard to sound relaxed. you don't realize your talking to a guy who will ONLY buy toros and exmarks. the day exmarks and toros become unavailable to me is the day I go out of business.

you say there high priced. I happen to disagree with MP as my point. this whole thread proves why I don't see them as high priced and reinforces that thought. wherever the OP is from they are high priced I agree but I can get the same mower for around 3k less.

the price the OP has on his exmark is the prices I see on scags.

you clearly don't think of exmark as the industry's best. well I do. it's my opinion none of the other brands are superior in any way, shape or form with the exception of walkers ghs. they ALL provide quality cuts from what I've seen. they are all built solid and to last.

price really isn't the deciding factor for me when picking exmark or toro. but it seems a no brainer. why would I pay more for a scag, walker or wright stander when I don't think they are any better.

jrs.landscaping
01-17-2013, 01:26 PM
Walker is a superior product over the Navigator IMHO. This is coming from personal experience. The rest of their product line seems decent enough, though they are a little too pricey for me.

jrs.landscaping
01-17-2013, 01:41 PM
On Mutton Power's website it says Exmark won't let them list prices. Why won't exmark let dealers advertise their prices?

Richard Martin
01-17-2013, 03:09 PM
On Mutton Power's website it says Exmark won't let them list prices. Why won't exmark let dealers advertise their prices?

Too many people will walk. This is a sales strategy. If you want to get top dollar for something you need to see a person face to face and let your sales technique sell the higher price.

Darryl G
01-17-2013, 03:27 PM
I like that the Husqvarna lists the retail price for everything on their site. So does Gravely. At least that way you know what the max price will be and can use that in your decision making process to decide among different models in their line-up.

yardguy28
01-17-2013, 03:38 PM
On Mutton Power's website it says Exmark won't let them list prices. Why won't exmark let dealers advertise their prices?

where did you see that? I already posted one link with prices. here's another though, just for you.

http://www.muttonpower.com/store/mobilebrowseproduct.aspx?entitytype=Manufacturer&entityid=47

all I did was go to muttonpower.com then hit the shop my brand button then exmark then a button that said 49 products.

jrs.landscaping
01-17-2013, 03:50 PM
http://www.muttonpower.com/store/c-47-exmark-zero-turn-mowers.aspx

This was from their website doing a search for exmark Z turns

yardguy28
01-17-2013, 04:53 PM
http://www.muttonpower.com/store/c-47-exmark-zero-turn-mowers.aspx

This was from their website doing a search for exmark Z turns

I got prices from that link. click on the blue bar across the screen that says products (29).

brings up a page with pics and prices.

http://www.muttonpower.com/store/p-9296-exmark-pioneer-s-series-27hp-60-pns740kc604.aspx

I see where you see that statement but there is still a price below that and most have prices on the page that has all the equipment.

weaver
01-17-2013, 06:24 PM
I got prices from that link. click on the blue bar across the screen that says products (29).

brings up a page with pics and prices.

http://www.muttonpower.com/store/p-9296-exmark-pioneer-s-series-27hp-60-pns740kc604.aspx

I see where you see that statement but there is still a price below that and most have prices on the page that has all the equipment.

Hey Yardguy if you live in Ft Wayne have you been to a place called Taylor rentals? Just wondering cause i almost bought a 36in v ride from them year before last and just ended up getting a hydro walk.. Just curious...

Will P.C.
01-17-2013, 06:33 PM
Too many people will walk. This is a sales strategy. If you want to get top dollar for something you need to see a person face to face and let your sales technique sell the higher price.

I can't stand this ploy to get you talking to a salesman and/or inside the store regardless of what product it is.

yardguy28
01-17-2013, 09:26 PM
Hey Yardguy if you live in Ft Wayne have you been to a place called Taylor rentals? Just wondering cause i almost bought a 36in v ride from them year before last and just ended up getting a hydro walk.. Just curious...

yeah Taylor rental is the walker, scag and wright stander dealer along with shindy and redmax.

if I were to buy from them I'd feel very comfortable. they are great guys and will treat you right. in my experiences any way. I rent from them all the time.

but as I said in fort wayne any way the scags, walkers, wrights, shindys and redmaxes are higher prices compared with the exmarks, toros and stihls. and I don't feel any of those brands to be superior to the exmarks, toros and stihls so I stick with the exmarks, toros and stihls.

Darryl G
01-17-2013, 09:29 PM
Did you guys see that someone has ten 60 inch Turf Tracers for sale on the marketplace here for $3k each....former Brickman units.

Greyst1
01-17-2013, 09:48 PM
Did you guys see that someone has ten 60 inch Turf Tracers for sale on the marketplace here for $3k each....former Brickman units.

Yea i did, posted to see if he was a dealer or something and i don't believe he replied. Gonna check that thread soon.

Greyst1
01-17-2013, 09:51 PM
I'm relaxed enough dude. but it's hard to sound relaxed. you don't realize your talking to a guy who will ONLY buy toros and exmarks. the day exmarks and toros become unavailable to me is the day I go out of business.

you say there high priced. I happen to disagree with MP as my point. this whole thread proves why I don't see them as high priced and reinforces that thought. wherever the OP is from they are high priced I agree but I can get the same mower for around 3k less.

the price the OP has on his exmark is the prices I see on scags.

you clearly don't think of exmark as the industry's best. well I do. it's my opinion none of the other brands are superior in any way, shape or form with the exception of walkers ghs. they ALL provide quality cuts from what I've seen. they are all built solid and to last.

price really isn't the deciding factor for me when picking exmark or toro. but it seems a no brainer. why would I pay more for a scag, walker or wright stander when I don't think they are any better.

Good i'm glad you're relaxed.

Let me ask you a question, why will you only buy Toro's and Exmarks? I came from an Exmark but i got smart and switched to a Ferris. Just trying to understand why some guys are so hell bent on Toro & Exmark.

weaver
01-17-2013, 10:23 PM
yeah Taylor rental is the walker, scag and wright stander dealer along with shindy and redmax.

if I were to buy from them I'd feel very comforta
ble. they are great guys and will treat you right. in my experiences any way. I rent from them all the time.

but as I said in fort wayne any way the scags, walkers, wrights, shindys and redmaxes are higher prices compared with the exmarks, toros and stihls. and I don't feel any of those brands to be superior to the exmarks, toros and stihls so I stick with the exmarks, toros and stihls.

He's not bad at all. He really marks his demos down. Could have got a 36 vride 5 hours with full waranty for $4g but backed out cause i heard so many say not that good on hills..
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Turf Tracer
01-17-2013, 10:33 PM
Keep the prices high!:clapping:

Makes it more difficult for the riff raff and weekend warriors to jump right into the good stuff.:waving:

yardguy28
01-17-2013, 11:10 PM
:hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead:

Greyst1
01-17-2013, 11:13 PM
Keep the prices high!:clapping:

Makes it more difficult for the riff raff and weekend warriors to jump right into the good stuff.:waving:

I think Exmark should raise their prices even higher. WTH, i think 18 or 19K sounds good to me. Gonna go buy 3 tomorrow.

Darryl G
01-17-2013, 11:46 PM
Could open up a good business opporunity for someone to fully recondition them and resell them. My dad made a ton of money doing that with cup soda and coffee machines...rip the whole thing down, repaint, rebuild and good as new for half the price. We had less service calls on the rebuilds than on new machines.

orangemower
01-18-2013, 11:05 AM
I guess Worldlawn may get bigger.

Considering they bought out Encore, it looks like they'll be taking a bite out of the market.

orangemower
01-18-2013, 11:13 AM
Keep the prices high!:clapping:

Makes it more difficult for the riff raff and weekend warriors to jump right into the good stuff.:waving:

They'll just buy the cheap crap and STILL lowball jobs because they didn't pay a lot for the mower.

Hopefully Toro/Exmark will fold. Then we won't have to listen to YardBoy28. LOL

larryinalabama
01-18-2013, 11:20 AM
When I get into my 60s Im just gonna buy craftsman or similar riding mowers, 10k for a lawnmower is redicilous.

Fwilamosky
01-18-2013, 07:14 PM
i agree with everyone saying that prices are high on all machines, but you have to look at it as an investment. if you're running it 5+ days a week all season, you're going to make money. mowers will last years and thousands of hours if they are properly maintained. if you can't afford the top dollar mowers, then you don't have enough properties, it's that simple. i look at anything i purchase that is expensive and I make sure that i will be able to utilize it to its full potential and have it make me money. just my .02

yardguy28
01-18-2013, 09:12 PM
yes, very true. but why spend 10k for a mower when you can get one that will do the same thing for 6-7k

that's my point between exmark, toro, scag, walker, etc.

in my neck of the woods the price of the exmarks and toros is cheaper than the scags and walker. and I personally don't feel the scags and walkers are any better than the toros and exmarks.

Greyst1
01-18-2013, 09:34 PM
i agree with everyone saying that prices are high on all machines, but you have to look at it as an investment. if you're running it 5+ days a week all season, you're going to make money. mowers will last years and thousands of hours if they are properly maintained. if you can't afford the top dollar mowers, then you don't have enough properties, it's that simple. i look at anything i purchase that is expensive and I make sure that i will be able to utilize it to its full potential and have it make me money. just my .02

This is one of the worst ways to looks at PPE (Plant, property & equipment). You sound like you just got taken....perhaps care salesman style

Price = cost+profit....

Cost = materials+labor+overhead

Profit = well this one has the juice here

Just because you use something to make $$$ doesn't allow for price gauging or over pricing your product although it does happen because people like yourself allow it to happen.

I'm not being mean but idiots like you kill me. Plain and simple. Sorry to put it like that.

Fwilamosky
01-19-2013, 02:13 AM
This is one of the worst ways to looks at PPE (Plant, property & equipment). You sound like you just got taken....perhaps care salesman style

Price = cost+profit....

Cost = materials+labor+overhead

Profit = well this one has the juice here

Just because you use something to make $$$ doesn't allow for price gauging or over pricing your product although it does happen because people like yourself allow it to happen.

I'm not being mean but idiots like you kill me. Plain and simple. Sorry to put it like that.


if you look at my equipment do you see any exmark, scag, walker mowers on there? no, i use snapper and bobcat. why? because they provide an end result that is the same as the high price mowers. so how am i allowing it to happen? by stating my opinion on how people justify it to themselves to purchase a $12000 machine? the only way to have the high priced company's lower their prices is by purchasing a substitute to that product (common economics), so if you'd like the companies to lower their price you should focus your time and effort to the people on here defending the price discrimination we are experiencing throughout the country

Kelly's Landscaping
01-19-2013, 02:47 AM
While I am not happy that the cost of a exmark ZTR has gone from 8000 for a 27hp 60 inch lazer z 10 years ago to 12-15000 now its not going to stop me from buying more. My issues with exmark is not their mowers but their web site that gets an update once a year and no longer lists hp or even mower cutting speeds.

yardguy28
01-19-2013, 09:21 AM
but in the end who really pays attention to hp or cutting speeds?

maybe I'm one of the few who don't. I only look at the overall build of the machine, size of deck, ease of operation and most importantly quality of cut.

personally I have no idea what kind of hp I need. when I went to the dealer I thought in my head I needed the larger hp of the mower I was looking at. he asked me with my current mower have I ever bogged down. I said no and he talked me into the smaller hp engine. I still to this day can't tell how many hp I need or even want. as for cutting speed. well I do residentials so maybe that why cutting speed isn't as important to me as some of the other guys. sure I run the mower at top speed when I can but most mowers go an adequate speed so it's never been an issue for me.

Kelly's Landscaping
01-19-2013, 12:40 PM
Some lawyer sued the engine companies over hp ratings like 2 years ago and so the hp numbers have all been removed everywhere. It's very annoying when your trying to sort through the product info. On some of exmarks links they give engine cc sizes or the RPMs but on about half of the ones I have tried they do not. Now back when I got my first lazer they had one model thats it the Lazer Z the following year they added the Lazer hp which was smaller decks. Now they have had about 5 other models that do not seem to exist any more that I can think of off hand.

But why would I like stats when comparing? umm I don't know yardguy maybe the fact they have 10 current ztr models (add deck and motor options and you have like 50 choices) not including the 2 navigator lines.

Quest E series
Quest S series
Pioneer E series
Pioneer S series
Lazer Z E series
Lazer Z S series
Lazer Z S series EFI
Lazer Z S series propane EFI
Lazer Z X series (interestingly it has EFI options but you wouldn't know that without looking at the motor lists)
Lazer Z DS series

Now I know I want 2 Lazers but which models becomes difficult when they do not list hp or fuel consumption which is different that saying 15-25% less fuel. Less than what? What is the base number then. Also what size pumps I have 12 ccs now and have had my fill of that size but the offer 16cc and 21 cc as well but seeing which is which is less than clear on their web site. Luckily for me I am very close with my dealer and we often talk for hours late at night when he has the time. So after talking last night I think were looking at a Lazer Z X series ECV 940 EFI 60 inch deck and a Lazer Z X series ECV 980 EFI 72 inch deck. But I need a lot more information about the S series before I can comfortably make that choice.

As for who pays attention to hp and cutting speeds I sure as hell do. 12 mph top speed vs a 11 or 10 mph top speed is going to mean more lawns per day. And why do I want hps well we have hills all over the place here I will have vac systems on the mowers so they weigh more and I do use them with leaf plows in fall and a little in spring so the power is important. And the bigger pumps can mean the difference in blowing them and not blowing them.

Darryl G
01-19-2013, 01:01 PM
Yeah, I think most of use look at speed and HP. Who wants to buy a new mower only to find out that it's under powered for their intended use? And speed comes into play more than just mowing speed...even if you can't mow at a mower's top speed it's still useful for transporting it. Going across a lawn at 8 mph may seem fast, but when you're on a large property going from one area to another or doing multiple properties at a stop, 8 mph can feel painstakingly slow. Bumping that speed up to 10 or 11 mph is certainly significant.

jrs.landscaping
01-19-2013, 03:16 PM
Yeah, I think most of use look at speed and HP. Who wants to buy a new mower only to find out that it's under powered for their intended use? And speed comes into play more than just mowing speed...even if you can't mow at a mower's top speed it's still useful for transporting it. Going across a lawn at 8 mph may seem fast, but when you're on a large property going from one area to another or doing multiple properties at a stop, 8 mph can feel painstakingly slow. Bumping that speed up to 10 or 11 mph is certainly significant.

It is really important on large properties with dump sites for the bagger. Mowing might not be full speed but when you are dumping at the other end of the property it can be very important and shave hours off cutting times.

Florida Gardener
01-19-2013, 03:24 PM
For those who mulch, hp is a major factor. I would have def. loved the extra 2 or 3 ponies on my 36" Wright for mulching. I'm sure it makes a huge difference.
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Country Club Lawnscapes
01-19-2013, 07:25 PM
I bought a used 2011 scag turf tiger with like 50 hours on it for 7600 I feel like I won.

Greyst1
01-19-2013, 08:34 PM
I bought a used 2011 scag turf tiger with like 50 hours on it for 7600 I feel like I won.

I would agree with you, nice score. Nothing like getting a deal.
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yardguy28
01-20-2013, 02:59 AM
well like I said I must be one of the few who doesn't.

when I look at mowers I look for the size of deck I want, price, what kind of bells and whistles does it have the accessories available I would need. also ease of maintenance.

horse power and speed don't really mean much to me. I will only go as fast as the mower is going. no mower is gonna shave hours off my time going from residential propery to trailer and back all day. as for horse power. have no idea what I need. I've just told the dealer how many I service and how often and he makes his recommendation.

I'm much more an impulse buyer than most. if I like the looks of the machine and it has the basic needs and wants and I have the money I'm probably gonna buy it. no comparing horse power, speed, fuel efficiency, etc.

jrs.landscaping
01-20-2013, 08:41 AM
well like I said I must be one of the few who doesn't.

when I look at mowers I look for the size of deck I want, price, what kind of bells and whistles does it have the accessories available I would need. also ease of maintenance.

horse power and speed don't really mean much to me. I will only go as fast as the mower is going. no mower is gonna shave hours off my time going from residential propery to trailer and back all day. as for horse power. have no idea what I need. I've just told the dealer how many I service and how often and he makes his recommendation.

I'm much more an impulse buyer than most. if I like the looks of the machine and it has the basic needs and wants and I have the money I'm probably gonna buy it. no comparing horse power, speed, fuel efficiency, etc.

I've never let a salesman talk me into what mower I need, I do my homework and draw my own conclusions. I'm an impulse buyer as well, when at the checkout line I sneak a candy bar into the carriage before my wife can see it. I'm not impulsive about a 10-15k investment in my business Thumbs Up

yardguy28
01-20-2013, 09:23 AM
I've never let a salesman talk me into what mower I need, I do my homework and draw my own conclusions. I'm an impulse buyer as well, when at the checkout line I sneak a candy bar into the carriage before my wife can see it. I'm not impulsive about a 10-15k investment in my business Thumbs Up

I'm impulsive about EVERYTHING I buy. business or personal.

I never let a dealer talk me into a certain mower. but I do take there recommendation on HP.

I usually know about what I want before I arrive. then I check it out and go with what my eyes are telling my brain.

but HP and speed are not things I personally look at when comparing mowers. not unless I was told I need at least x amount of HP.

Richard Martin
01-20-2013, 03:58 PM
I never let a dealer talk me into a certain mower. but I do take there recommendation on HP.

I'm confused as to how a dealer would know this. You're the mowing expert. You've spent countless hours mowing all kinds of grass in all kinds of conditions. The dealer? He has probably never mowed a blade of grass away from his house. And to think that he may be an expert on every mower he sells is ridiculous. He may know the specs, but you know significantly more about how much power it takes to mow in certain conditions.

yardguy28
01-20-2013, 04:54 PM
most of the dealers were at one point in the lawn industry themselves. the ones I have I mean.

just because I'm the one doing the cutting doesn't mean I know how much horse power is needed. all I know is I've never bogged down in the 7 years I've been in business so far.

I guess you could say based on the mowers I have and there HP I know what will work. but I don't know if I could get by with less. or if I ever do move to a sit down ztr I'll have no idea what kind of HP I will need. I know what my 36" walkbehind has and what my 52" toro grandstand has and they work great.

so again when buying a sit down ztr I'll take the dealers recommendation.

oh and I personally feel the dealers job is to know EVERYTHNG about all of there products.

Darryl G
01-20-2013, 05:00 PM
It's the dealer's job to sell what he has, which isn't necessarily what you need. Have you ever noticed how they try to steer you toward a machine sometimes...the leftover one that they screwed up on when they ordered. Don't be so naive to think that the dealer always has your best interest in mind. They want to sell their existing inventory.

Kelly's Landscaping
01-20-2013, 07:11 PM
Boy do they steer you if you let them. My first dealer that I kept for all of one year lost their Exmark dealership after I had bought my mowers from them the previous year. They had both Scag and Exmark but Scag gave a trip to Vegas if you sold a certain number of units. So the salesmen pushed and I mean pushed hard to sell Scag. Now I had already had 3 years on Lazers and knew most of what he said was total bs and complete lies so I didn't buckle and stood my ground and got what it was I wanted. When I asked why they lost the dealership their answer was well we only sold 6 units last year (I had bought 2 of them) but they sold 70 scag units. And the reason was obvious that pushed as hard as they could to convert you and if you knew nothing about either well what chance did you have they wouldn't even show you specs on Exmark. Which turned out to be good for me I got a different dealer where the owner is not MIA the owners back ground is mechanical he's not a paid salesmen. He listens and he learns, your feedback matters and why I am sure he may offer a suggestion if I needed one after 23 years in the trade I think I am more than qualified to know what hp and ground speeds I want.

When you get an dealer that not only will take your call when your broke down in the field but he will diagnose your problem and talk you through a solution so you can finish your weeks lawns first then you'd have an idea what I mean when I rave about my dealer. He sells Scags and Exmark and does so evenly and thats the way it should be. And Ive told him if scag was smart they would buy some ultra cut decks an offer them as an option and Id gladly buy one then. They are great handling machines but the cut is totally lacking.

yardguy28
01-21-2013, 12:42 PM
It's the dealer's job to sell what he has, which isn't necessarily what you need. Have you ever noticed how they try to steer you toward a machine sometimes...the leftover one that they screwed up on when they ordered. Don't be so naive to think that the dealer always has your best interest in mind. They want to sell their existing inventory.

no I've never had a dealer steer me towards anything I don't need.

I go in and tell them what I want and if they have it on the floor I look at it and talk prices and accessories. if not they look into ordering it and we talk prices and accessories.

my toro grandstand was an ordered mower. they didn't have a single one on the floor. but they had some off brand standers they didn't even bother showing me. told him I wanted a grandstand. he said what size deck and what engine. then made the recommendation I go with the smaller engine since I've never had bog down problems with my other mower. I did just that and he's right I've never bogged down.

Darryl G
01-21-2013, 01:48 PM
It's funny how there's one person on this board that virtually anything and everything that applies to everyone else doesn't apply to him. I suspect that it's either a case of an altered perception of reality or a need to be contrary, whether that be conscious or subconscious.

Florida Gardener
01-21-2013, 01:59 PM
It's funny how there's one person on this board that virtually anything and everything that applies to everyone else doesn't apply to him. I suspect that it's either a case of an altered perception of reality or a need to be contrary, whether that be conscious or subconscious.
I feel the same way...it gets really annoying.
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jrs.landscaping
01-21-2013, 03:45 PM
It's funny how there's one person on this board that virtually anything and everything that applies to everyone else doesn't apply to him. I suspect that it's either a case of an altered perception of reality or a need to be contrary, whether that be conscious or subconscious.

I think it's worth it just for the laugh Thumbs Up

It's an altered perception of a mowing business vs. a mowing hobby IMO

Valk
01-21-2013, 05:08 PM
There's NOT more than a few of us that have NEVER been accused of being stubborn.
Being contrary AND a Devil's advocate is just taking it one or more step(s) further.
Ya gots to love LS!! :jester:

weaver
01-21-2013, 06:16 PM
Well this one's gonna get shut down...

Darryl G
01-21-2013, 06:40 PM
There's NOT more than a few of us that have NEVER been accused of being stubborn.
Being contrary AND a Devil's advocate is just taking it one or more step(s) further.
Ya gots to love LS!! :jester:
That's simply not true!!!! :laugh::drinkup::laugh: