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JContracting
01-17-2013, 10:48 AM
Whether it be fuel for trucks or offroad fuel, I'm calculating my #s from this year and am not done yet, but I'm interested in seeing what others spend on fuel.

jrs.landscaping
01-17-2013, 10:55 AM
Around 11%

JFGLN
01-17-2013, 11:20 AM
This is interesting. I think I'm at 9% for 2 trucks and all of my equipment. Always looking for ways to lower this as its one of the biggest expenses after labor.

JContracting
01-17-2013, 11:35 AM
I should have also added, what kind of trucks (gas/diesel) and on average what's the mpg?
For what I have calculated into my P&L so far, I'm at 6%. Only 1 truck and I avg 8-9 mpg and maybe 10 if a good amount of driving is highway. The best I have gotten was 12 and that was on a trip to the motocross track & back that is 140 miles away with just my bike in the bed. If I'm towing my toy hauler I get 7.5-8.

jrs.landscaping
01-17-2013, 11:58 AM
Everything is diesel except for trimmers/blowers.

grandview (2006)
01-17-2013, 02:32 PM
I think your doing good if your around 5%

Darryl G
01-17-2013, 03:12 PM
8% in 2011. I still have a little data entry for my 2012 numbers.

2003 Chevy 2500 HD 6.0L pulling an open 6 x 12 with 52 rider and 48 walk behind and sometimes pulling 7 x 12 dump trailer. I plow too and burn a lot of gas doing so but also make a pretty good rate plowing. There's a little diesel in there for my landscape tractor too but that's minimal compared to the rest. And that's truck and all equipment as well.

JContracting
01-17-2013, 05:23 PM
I'm not done calculating yet. I'm sure I'll be near 11-12%.

prezek
01-17-2013, 06:42 PM
10.2%. 2 Dodge 2500 trucks. 5.9 gas in both. One with enclosed trailer 7-8 mpg. Other open trailer slightly better, but not much.

seabee24
01-17-2013, 09:47 PM
Just to clarify? Are you only talking dirrect fuel, used only by the crew?

I think 5-6%

JContracting
01-17-2013, 09:48 PM
Which ever. I don't have multiple crews yet...
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seabee24
01-17-2013, 09:56 PM
Which ever. I don't have multiple crews yet...
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Well it does make a big difference even if your a one crew company.

For me, my dirrect fuel would be around 5-6 percent

Then I have "overhead" fuel to cover my truck, mechanics truck, and mis. And that adds up to around 2% more

JContracting
01-17-2013, 09:57 PM
What is your gross if you don't mind me asking? You can pm if you'd like.
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smokenjoe_10
01-17-2013, 10:09 PM
I run 91 no ethonal in everything 1500 5.9L. I averaged around 10mpg I spent a good 20%. Thats daily driver also I didn't add truck fuel in my taxes because it would have been so hard to figure mileage.

KS_Grasscutter
01-18-2013, 01:19 AM
I think I'm between 6 and 8 percent. Haven't figured stuff for last year yet so not 100% sure.

ELS Landscape
01-18-2013, 05:05 AM
Last I checked - a few months ago it was 6%

Bunton Guy
01-18-2013, 08:45 AM
16% here. Does not help our shop is 25 miles from where we work.

Giovanni Giacomucci
01-18-2013, 09:36 AM
2 f 250 4 mowers and equipment 7% i only use 89 in mowers and equipment avg gas price here in PA in summer was 3.89 GAL

clydebusa
01-18-2013, 10:10 AM
10% here. Bought CNG 450 this last November, hope to bring down 2% or more.

JFGLN
01-18-2013, 11:12 AM
16% here. Does not help our shop is 25 miles from where we work.

I have that problem also. I'm trying something new this year. Rented a fenced parking lot where I can park my 1 ton truck and trailer. The fuel savings is more than enough to cover the lot rent.

Kelly's Landscaping
01-18-2013, 03:49 PM
Our sales are down 10k from the previous season. 10% would be $21,400 for us and I do not think we are there. I won't know for 4-7 days when we get our last amx bill and have all the receipts for the last year accounted for. My guess is $15,000 so probably going to be 7%. And thats way to high and we are actively researching more fuel efficient mowers / alternative fuel mowers.

Fwilamosky
01-18-2013, 05:59 PM
i was just around 6.5% this year. Single truck pulling a procat and snapper walk behind. sometimes a 10' dump also

Kelly's Landscaping
01-18-2013, 06:21 PM
Actually got the numbers early came in at 7.43% this year I had 7.42% last year. 5.9% for 2010 and 4.95% for 2009. The new trucks have helped keep that down a bit with out them Id be looking at 9-10%. Their is a big difference from the 1.89 a gallon price I paid the day Obama took office and the 3.65 a gallon price it is today which is down from nearly 5 bucks last summer. It's really hard to cap it when the fuel prices are jumping 100% in 4 years.

McFarland_Lawn_Care
01-18-2013, 07:40 PM
Just a quick look shows 8-9% all gasoline. But that includes snow plowing, snow blowing etc too in the winter. Didn't separate it all out by services.

JContracting
01-18-2013, 07:42 PM
When I get home ill crunch my #s some more. Calculate my equipment fuel for summer and figure how much has been spent total for snow.
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matt spinniken
01-20-2013, 06:15 AM
We are at 7% with 3 chevy 2500's and 1 1500.

JContracting
01-21-2013, 12:15 AM
So far I'm at 8.9% and climbing. Probably about through half my receipts for 2012.

JContracting
02-01-2013, 02:19 AM
I'm now at 12% for truck fuel but am not done. And 1.2% so far for equipment fuel.
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McFarland_Lawn_Care
02-01-2013, 10:52 AM
Just a quick look shows 8-9% all gasoline. But that includes snow plowing, snow blowing etc too in the winter. Didn't separate it all out by services.

Forgot to add in a few cash gas receipts. Now the final count is 9.68%.

:drinkup:

nightshutter
02-01-2013, 01:07 PM
between 14-18% numbers arent done yet

TMlawncare
02-03-2013, 12:34 PM
Actually got the numbers early came in at 7.43% this year I had 7.42% last year. 5.9% for 2010 and 4.95% for 2009. The new trucks have helped keep that down a bit with out them Id be looking at 9-10%. Their is a big difference from the 1.89 a gallon price I paid the day Obama took office and the 3.65 a gallon price it is today which is down from nearly 5 bucks last summer. It's really hard to cap it when the fuel prices are jumping 100% in 4 years.
Most people have long forgot what we paid for gas not so long ago. It is really a burdon on us. For the year we will be at 10.5%.

Kelly's Landscaping
02-03-2013, 01:16 PM
I keep a very tight rout with more than 150 accounts in Milford and then the rest are on the edges of the near by towns. So I keep our driving down as much as possible. It looks like were going to go for the EFI GOV mowers exmark now offers on their top models in the Lazer X class. They should cut our fuel by about 30%. Plus we will be upgrading the decks sizes so our 52 will be a 60 and our 60 will be a 72 so that plus the newer mowers have top speeds about 2-3 mph over what our tired old mowers currently can do. Which makes me hopeful the $9,144.68 portion of our fuel bill which is gas and used 95% in equipment can be reduced a couple thousand in the future. Despite the % of income spend on gas being nearly identical the last 2 years we did manage to use nearly 500 gallons less last year.

JContracting
02-27-2013, 01:45 PM
I have finished processing the majority (95%) of 2012's expenses, I'm at 21% of gross spent on truck fuel and 2.2% on equipment fuel. I think that's a decent number. Of course I'd like to spend less with something more efficent but in this industry, especially with maintenance, fuel is most likely the largest expense next to labor.

For 2013, I hope to decrease the percentage spent on fuel and obviously increase the revenue by 400% (grew approx 500% last year). So far this year I'm at 19.31% of gross, spent on truck fuel, but that's with plowing where my truck will get 5.25-7 mpg, when spring arrives I'll get 7-10mpg depending on what I'm pulling, but that's the largest expense so far this year aside from insurance.

Raymond S.
02-27-2013, 02:01 PM
just shy of 8%

THORNTON SERVICES LLC
02-27-2013, 02:09 PM
I am usually about 15% , this is all fuel , mowing plowing in the winter , equipment fuel usage , etc , as I grow and get more efficient I hope to get this down under 10% though.

ryde307
02-27-2013, 03:13 PM
Just above 6%.
I think a big factor is what do you do for work.
We do maint, irrigation, landscape, and snow. If you were to break down the % of gross of each of those to compare to fuel or to break fuel down to each area it would tell alot more for people to compare to.

I happen to have an issue of Lawn and Landscape on my desk with budget #'s in it.
Here is what the budget builder for 2013 has as industry #'s
Gas and oil
Maint 2-4% avg 3%
Lawn Care 2-4% avg 3%
Design build 1-3% avg 2%
Irrigation they dont factor so assuming less than 1%.

They do not have snow. With those numbers taking your gross I would estimate an industry avg around 9-12% including snow.

Companies that are more maint or snow than say design build would have larger %'s.

JContracting
02-27-2013, 03:15 PM
An astonishing number I came across was how little was spent on advertising, 2.2%! I'll create a thread about % of gross on advertising also.

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?p=4689622#post4689622

JContracting
02-27-2013, 03:21 PM
Just above 6%.
I think a big factor is what do you do for work.
We do maint, irrigation, landscape, and snow. If you were to break down the % of gross of each of those to compare to fuel or to break fuel down to each area it would tell alot more for people to compare to.

I happen to have an issue of Lawn and Landscape on my desk with budget #'s in it.
Here is what the budget builder for 2013 has as industry #'s
Gas and oil
Maint 2-4% avg 3%
Lawn Care 2-4% avg 3%
Design build 1-3% avg 2%
Irrigation they dont factor so assuming less than 1%.

They do not have snow. With those numbers taking your gross I would estimate an industry avg around 9-12% including snow.

Companies that are more maint or snow than say design build would have larger %'s.

Which issue is that? I've finally caught up on almost all the Turf, Snow Business, and L&L Mags.

Those seem so low, but I suppose the larger companies that have many more established accounts will bring in more revenue and aren't spending as much money on fuel to look at jobs that they may or may not land like the young company in the start-up stage (me) will do.

ryde307
02-27-2013, 10:28 PM
Lawn and landscape 2012 it has the benchmarking your business report.

snomaha
02-28-2013, 12:36 PM
2012 - 5%

2011 - 5%

Efficiency
02-28-2013, 02:01 PM
Agreed, we are dead on 5%. Consider that a benchmark.
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cooperthumb
02-28-2013, 10:05 PM
7.5% annually

Jason Rose
03-01-2013, 12:24 AM
Interesting thread, and shows me just how little I pay attention to this sort of thing. Since my numbers are pretty easy "round" numbers I see that I spent about 8% of gross for fuel in 2012. That's pretty good considering that I feel like my fuel costs are "eating me alive" all year because of my gas hog of a truck that gets about 4 to 5 mpg, roughly half of my fuel is used just to drive. My route is pretty tight though, so now I know... If I eventually find a more fuel efficient truck and change my big zero turn to a diesel like I did with my Walker I could probably get down to 5% as well.

Cadzilla
03-01-2013, 12:42 AM
3% here. Lawn Fertilizing business. I do not mow.

Vehicle is a Dodge 1 ton dually diesel and I have a 20 foot enclosed trailer on it most of the time.

ncls
03-01-2013, 09:49 AM
7% this year. 6.5% in 2011.

underESTIMATED
03-18-2013, 10:02 PM
9.9% 2012 ($1k was spent picking up a mower out of state - should be 8.5%)

16% 2011

26%?? 2010 :facepalm:

123hotdog
03-18-2013, 11:30 PM
10% for me. This is mowers truck and all. Go diesel. Don't even think about it. Mowers and truck diesel as well.

JContracting
03-19-2013, 03:10 AM
I plan to buy a diesel once I can either have enough profits this year to pay cash or qualify for a loan for another truck. Diesel mower....on the fence. For both trucks & mowers the up front cost is higher. But fuel efficiency & saving time by not having to fuel up (your crew at the gas station wasting time) every day probably offsets the initial price.
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Charles
03-19-2013, 06:27 AM
I spent 2 times as much for equipment fuel than for the truck. I need EFI:rolleyes:

JContracting
10-14-2013, 11:00 AM
Figured I'd update this thread. As of right now: 10.35% of this year's gross so far on truck fuel and 1.4% for equipment fuel which includes mowers & 2 stroke fuel as well as diesel on skid loaders that were rented.