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Grzube
01-20-2013, 09:49 PM
Last season we ran a 30" Toro Timemaster to see if there was going to be a savings in time on certain lawns we cut. Sure enough, the 21" was put aside on one of our crews, and the fight over who was going to use the 30". My personal opinion on the machine. First we cut 1/2 acre and larger, normally run 48" zero turns and 48" tbar w/b and in those smaller areas the 21". After using the the toro 30", there was time saved, even in some areas where a 48" was used the 30" did a faster and better job!!!
Now Toro has a new commercial 30" Turfmaster that runs about $1800.00(down here in Montreal Canada), and we are going to add one for every lawn crew. We use the 30" 25-30% more then the Tbar on a regular basis, once you used the mower, the manouverability and speed is amazing!!!

kandalawncaremgr
01-20-2013, 10:00 PM
I use a timemaster in the front line aswell. Saves time and its perfect for my small lots also

Grzube
01-20-2013, 10:10 PM
Another thing that adds speed to the job is cutting new sod. Now after a few weeks, the grass is very thick, but adjust the wheels to the max hight and away you go. The hp of the engine is great, but you have to keep the speed down though or the machine will start to block.

Valk
01-21-2013, 11:12 AM
If you side-discharge, how well are the clippings dispersed?

Grzube
01-21-2013, 11:47 AM
We bag all clippings, but the mulching system works quite well.

nickslawnltd
01-21-2013, 11:56 AM
I'm looking forward to demoing the commercial unit in the spring. I'm interested to see how we'll it mulches. If that's works well ill be sold because of the timed saved over the 21's and the added benefit of not having new employees having the learning curve of a walk behind. Most get it but some always seem intimidated out the gate. This will solve two issues at once for me

newguy123
01-21-2013, 12:01 PM
Last season we ran a 30" Toro Timemaster to see if there was going to be a savings in time on certain lawns we cut. Sure enough, the 21" was put aside on one of our crews, and the fight over who was going to use the 30". My personal opinion on the machine. First we cut 1/2 acre and larger, normally run 48" zero turns and 48" tbar w/b and in those smaller areas the 21". After using the the toro 30", there was time saved, even in some areas where a 48" was used the 30" did a faster and better job!!!
Now Toro has a new commercial 30" Turfmaster that runs about $1800.00(down here in Montreal Canada), and we are going to add one for every lawn crew. We use the 30" 25-30% more then the Tbar on a regular basis, once you used the mower, the manouverability and speed is amazing!!!

With your experience last year with the Timemaster, why are you switching to the TurfMaster?

Thanks for the thread this really interests me.

Grzube
01-21-2013, 12:55 PM
The Toro Timemaster was the only 30" available, now a commercial one is around the corner, much stronger, just like the 21" pro-line's, even though it will be heavier, it's much more solid.

locallawncare.ca
01-21-2013, 01:14 PM
Its seems as there is alot of interest in the new turfmaster, I held off on buying a timemaster last year becasue I knew it was coming out, there are lots of threads about people bashing it, but it fills a need in the market the no other mower has, I look forward to reading more and will be getting one in the spring for sure.

newguy123
01-22-2013, 06:01 PM
Its seems as there is alot of interest in the new turfmaster, I held off on buying a timemaster last year becasue I knew it was coming out, there are lots of threads about people bashing it, but it fills a need in the market the no other mower has, I look forward to reading more and will be getting one in the spring for sure.

Have any of you read this thread on the timemaster? http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=389672&highlight=timemaster

Grzube
01-23-2013, 12:05 PM
Sure, I read that post, some good info about consummer vs commercial. I'm leaning towards the commercial just based on the durability of our 21" Toro pro-line honda powered mowers.

locallawncare.ca
01-23-2013, 06:08 PM
Same here, I think people who bought it kinda knew that it wouldnt hold up, but for $900 it was worth a shot, I think if you are a homeowner with a larger yard it would be perfect and last years. Its the same with residential 21" mowers, sure they cut the grass once a week 30 times a year, but 30 times a day, 5 days a week, not so much. I look forward to getting the commercial version, whether it lasts or not, only time will tell.

newguy123
01-23-2013, 08:00 PM
Same here, I think people who bought it kinda knew that it wouldnt hold up, but for $900 it was worth a shot, I think if you are a homeowner with a larger yard it would be perfect and last years. Its the same with residential 21" mowers, sure they cut the grass once a week 30 times a year, but 30 times a day, 5 days a week, not so much. I look forward to getting the commercial version, whether it lasts or not, only time will tell.

Yeah I see your point. But didn't the LCO in that thread put like 600 hours on his Timemaster? That's more than 30 mows/year.

wegomow
01-24-2013, 07:28 AM
Looks like it will be a great mower can't wait to read the reviews here.

Grzube
01-24-2013, 09:13 AM
One of the differences bewteen the t/cutter & turfmaster is the handle on the timecutter can adj straight up 90 degrees vs the t/master is fixed, so if you have an enclosed trailer like we run, the adj handle makes a huge diff.

locallawncare.ca
01-24-2013, 10:23 AM
I find that for most people a folding handle is more of a gimmick type thing, like if you store it in the garage next to a car or something, 99% of commercial stuff doesnt have it. It usually makes the handle assembly more flimsy. Although my ryan aeartor has one, and toro snowblower, lol, but I never use that feature. I could understand with an enclosed trailer though, depending on the size. But if you need to fold the handle then I think its time for a bigger trailer, but Im sure you know that, or are getting to that point when a bigger trailer is on the horizon.

Grzube
01-24-2013, 10:39 AM
I find that for most people a folding handle is more of a gimmick type thing, like if you store it in the garage next to a car or something, 99% of commercial stuff doesnt have it. It usually makes the handle assembly more flimsy. Although my ryan aeartor has one, and toro snowblower, lol, but I never use that feature. I could understand with an enclosed trailer though, depending on the size. But if you need to fold the handle then I think its time for a bigger trailer, but Im sure you know that, or are getting to that point when a bigger trailer is on the horizon.

We have 16 ft enclosed trailers, x2 48 ztrns & 21" per trailer, and added a timecutter, it wouldn't of fit w/o the flex handle, but it was only a test, the 21" is coming out this season leaving room for the new commercial turfmasters!!!

locallawncare.ca
01-24-2013, 10:53 AM
Nice. but dont discount the 21", I'd keep it in the back of truck or something, or even build a small platform above where the turfmaster will go to store it, then atleast you got it if you every need it.

Grzube
01-24-2013, 11:12 AM
Ideally it would be best to always have a 21" in the line up, will have to get creative and re-think set ups for certain cutting days.

locallawncare.ca
01-24-2013, 11:21 AM
Yeah its tough to make one setup, because day to day you might not need everything or use certian peices only a couple days. Wish you the best.

newguy123
01-24-2013, 11:41 AM
One of the differences bewteen the t/cutter & turfmaster is the handle on the timecutter can adj straight up 90 degrees vs the t/master is fixed, so if you have an enclosed trailer like we run, the adj handle makes a huge diff.

Are you sure the the timemaster doesn't go straight up? Their video on youtube appears to show the handle going up...

Grzube
01-24-2013, 11:53 AM
Are you sure the the timemaster doesn't go straight up? Their video on youtube appears to show the handle going up...

The timemaster goes up but not the "TURFMASTER"(has a identical fixed handle like the pro-line models)

newguy123
01-24-2013, 01:55 PM
The timemaster goes up but not the "TURFMASTER"(has a identical fixed handle like the pro-line models)

Sorry I misread your post.

willretire@40
02-01-2013, 10:33 AM
dealer just got them in here. So they are being sent to dealers now.

CreativeLawncareSolutions
02-01-2013, 02:12 PM
My local Exmark/Toro dealer said they'd have them in a week.

Exact Rototilling
02-01-2013, 02:37 PM
I find that for most people a folding handle is more of a gimmick type thing, like if you store it in the garage next to a car or something, 99% of commercial stuff doesnt have it. It usually makes the handle assembly more flimsy. Although my ryan aeartor has one, and toro snowblower, lol, but I never use that feature. I could understand with an enclosed trailer though, depending on the size. But if you need to fold the handle then I think its time for a bigger trailer, but Im sure you know that, or are getting to that point when a bigger trailer is on the horizon.

The fold up handle is a huge plus for the homeowner version. I have a 6x12 enclosed and space is at a Premium. The other issue is the added weight and lack of personal pace. Both my Toro TimeMaster 30 and Ybravo 25 are secondary use mowers.

Thanks for input on a ramp shelf for a 21". Going to do that for my yBravo25.
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Grzube
02-01-2013, 02:43 PM
dealer just got them in here. So they are being sent to dealers now.

What are they running for over there? Here in Montreal Canada it's about $1850.00

CreativeLawncareSolutions
02-01-2013, 02:57 PM
What are they running for over there? Here in Montreal Canada it's about $1850.00

$1800 here was what the dealer told me yesterday.

Exact Rototilling
02-01-2013, 03:10 PM
What type of drive system does the commercial version have?

How does it engage, and speeds....?
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locallawncare.ca
02-01-2013, 03:16 PM
I beleive its belt driven, much like the 21" mowers, but I know it has a much larger transmission, I was able to look under one at the trade show. The speeds are the same as a self propelled, about 4km/hr or something along those lines, its actually very nimble for its size and will probably behave like a heavy duty 21" mower that may weight 120lb+, this model is 170 or so, its seems very nice, I just hope it cuts well, which I'm sure is what most people are concerned about.

CreativeLawncareSolutions
02-01-2013, 03:18 PM
I beleive its belt driven, much like the 21" mowers, but I know it has a much larger transmission, I was able to look under one at the trade show. The speeds are the same as a self propelled, about 4km/hr or something along those lines, its actually very nimble for its size and will probably behave like a heavy duty 21" mower that may weight 120lb+, this model is 170 or so, its seems very nice, I just hope it cuts well, which I'm sure is what most people are concerned about.

Have you ever had a Toro/Exmark that didn't cut well?

locallawncare.ca
02-01-2013, 03:23 PM
Very true, but there have been many mixed reveiws on the Timemaster, its more to due with this new style of mower, there hasn't been one like it before, I agree that both Toro and Exmark make an excellent product.