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Belgium
01-22-2013, 02:14 PM
Hey everyone,

Lookin to buy a 36" mower next year. It will be used for smaller areas on large commercial properties. The lawns i will cut with this mower are a little rough. What i prefer is a mower that will hive a nice quality of cut at a decent speed. With the weather over here, it should also give a nice cut on a wet lawn, since it can easily rain 3 weeks without one dry day over here. Also should be able to bag lawns. Brands that are available over here are toro, ferris and hustler. We have a ferris ztr that i really like. I also have experience with a ferris evolution, but i think that's an impossible machine to work on. So in this case, which one would you guys chose?
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ddixon7
01-22-2013, 02:53 PM
With it raining like that, I would say a hydro walk behind. It would be much lighter that a stander. You can get a sulky for it to speed up production.

P.S. I would love for it to rain rain rain right now. I hate droughts...

hi_speedreed
01-22-2013, 02:58 PM
I have a Hustler TrimStar 36". Very maneuverable and provides a nice cut. I don't have the bagger but one is available. I do use a sulke. The model I use is the Velke X2.

Here is my picture post

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=379221

Here is my review

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=381106

Belgium
01-22-2013, 03:17 PM
You have a good point when you say that a walkbehind would be better. About the hustler trimstar, great review. Only problem is they are only sold with a 15hp engine with a recoil start. Don't know if 15hp is enough for longer/wet grass?
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hi_speedreed
01-22-2013, 03:33 PM
You have a good point when you say that a walkbehind would be better. About the hustler trimstar, great review. Only problem is they are only sold with a 15hp engine with a recoil start. Don't know if 15hp is enough for longer/wet grass?
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I never had a problem with mine. I'm not sure on the technical aspect but the ratio of power to cut is the close to same on the 36 with the 15 (.416) as on the 54 with the 23 (.425)

As for the recoil, I like it. Less weight and less moving parts to worry about. Also cheaper to fix if the recoil spring or the pull rope breaks as opposed to replacing a battery or a starter. JMO

Belgium
01-22-2013, 03:51 PM
And the deck on the hustler? Is there a lot of grass build up when mowing in wet grass? And if anyone has experience with the factory bagger, is it any good? I sure would like an accelerator bagger but no dealers around here.
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Landrus2
01-22-2013, 04:23 PM
If it rains every 3 minutes and the cutting arena is small stay with walk behind:waving:

Belgium
01-22-2013, 04:27 PM
And how does a ferris Hydrocut or comfort control compare to the hustler?
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Belgium
01-22-2013, 04:38 PM
Looks like the hydrocut is out of the competion. Only 32" and a lower ground speed. And i guess two hydros is always better than a single hydro?Would the comfort control be able to compete with the trimstar?
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d.klas
01-24-2013, 02:57 PM
I have the Ferris 48 comfort controll DD ... better operation than hustler and even the Hydrocut.
Go with the 36 comfort controll DD..
The comfort controll dd has really good handling, and cuts and discharges the clippings very well.. Personally its stronger than the other machines. Standers dont have great traction on hills and slide around in wet weather. with the double hydro.. you'll be impressed with the ferris.

hi_speedreed
01-24-2013, 03:16 PM
I have the Ferris 48 comfort controll DD ... better operation than hustler and even the Hydrocut.
Go with the 36 comfort controll DD..
The comfort controll dd has really good handling, and cuts and discharges the clippings very well.. Personally its stronger than the other machines. Standers dont have great traction on hills and slide around in wet weather. with the double hydro.. you'll be impressed with the ferris.

Why do you feel the operation of the Ferris is better than the Hustler?

not being a smartazz, really want your comparative analysis.

d.klas
01-24-2013, 03:27 PM
I like the operation better on the Ferris because:

The handle bars on the Ferris are in a more comfortable spot which allows the arms to be down naturally which eliminates the possibility for back/ shoulder pain.
The hydros feel better.. The machine seems to handle smoother than really any other walkbehind out there today.
the ferris in my opinion has been easier to handle.. simple controls (cruz control bar and two handles that require light fingertip pressure).

I've ran this ferris for going on 3 years now and its been a great investment and I do use to have back pain and this machine has not caused any pains.... and its a hell of a lawn cutter and is really low on maintenance costs.

Its a little bit more money but you get what you pay for and at the end of the day you want to be cutting more grass and making more money with less hassle.

hi_speedreed
01-24-2013, 03:42 PM
What did you dislike about the operation of the Hustler?

Valk
01-24-2013, 05:50 PM
I like the operation better on the Ferris because:

The handle bars on the Ferris are in a more comfortable spot which allows the arms to be down naturally which eliminates the possibility for back/ shoulder pain.

I've ran this ferris for going on 3 years now and its been a great investment and I do use to have back pain and this machine has not caused any pains.... and its a hell of a lawn cutter and is really low on maintenance costs.

Its a little bit more money but you get what you pay for and at the end of the day you want to be cutting more grass and making more money with less hassle.

I'm curious about your height and whether a Ferris favors a taller or shorter operator in your opinion.

What size deck are you using and are you primarily 1) mulching, 2) side-discharging and/or 3) bagging? How well does it do the first 2? What size engine are you running? Is it a KAW?

hi_speedreed
01-24-2013, 07:42 PM
When I was looking for my mower I was on the fence over the Ferris and the Hustler. These two were the only manufacturers that offered such easy height adjustment. Hustler has the lever that raises and lowers the deck while Ferris offers the screw gear.

The reason I chose Hustler was due to the controls. I also liked the Z controls on Bobcat and the Pro-V controls on the Scag but neither offered the deck height adjustability. The Ferris has pistol grips and in my experience hand fatigue is an issue. I have never had hand fatigue with the Hustler.

I am not brand loyal. There are things I don't like about the Hustler. If you do a side by side comparison the Ferris has a bigger engine, gas tank, and transmission. Hustler has a sturdier deck and a better warranty.

If it was possible I am sure we all have designs we like and dislike about our current mowers and it would be great to mix and match to build our perfect mower. Since I am not a mechanical engineer and do not have a blank check backing me I, like many on here have to choose the best to suit our needs and we may have to compromise on some things. The two things that I refused to compromise on were deck height adjustment and non pistol grip so the only manufacture that fit those needs was Hustler.

The best thing for everyone to do is go check mowers out, put your hands on them, test them. See how they fit you and what kind of comfort you feel while in the operator position. There is no perfect mower for every condition or every person. You have to find out what works best for you and use it.

Turf Tracer
01-24-2013, 08:58 PM
Walks are more versatile than standers especially if your lots are small. As long as the Walk is a dual hydro.:waving:

Greyst1
01-24-2013, 09:16 PM
I like walks, standers and Z's. I really think all 3 are needed, especially for those who pay attention to the details. Look, each has it's niche, no doubt your customer will appreciate that you can mow with a choice to provide the best QOC. Let us know what u get.

d.klas
01-25-2013, 08:39 AM
I am around 6 feet and I mainly side discharge.. Sometimes bag but usually not.
The engine is a 20.5 HP Kawasaki and I have a 48" deck.. would love to go bigger but didn't have enough money at the time.

Walkbehinds cut better because of the slower groundspeed and they are more versatile since they have the outfront deck. This means it can go in an out of tighter areas and they really cut down trimming time. Ive been running it for going on 3 three years and it was really worth the buy.. Its also great on hills

I would get a walkbehind first. Then when you have enough money invest in a Zeroturn or stander for wide, large areas. I prefer a stander since its better on the back to be standing all day

Belgium
01-25-2013, 09:22 AM
I'm a little under 6ft. We mainly mulch, but the machine would also be used for bagging leaves. We own a ferris 2500 and we're really happy with it. But you guys have even made it harder for me to decide :D And the only problem is none of the dealers have demo units (have even never seen a walkbehind over here :s) if it would help, the hustler is about $150 cheaper than the ferris. Another question: is it normal that the hustler factory side bagger costs over $800?
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d.klas
01-25-2013, 09:24 AM
Go with the Ferris.. You won't be disappointed! It's a smoother operation

Turf Tracer
01-25-2013, 10:01 AM
Ferris are ok just stay away from their single hydro units like the 32". It's not much better than a belt drive.