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ztrguy
01-22-2013, 04:17 PM
I'm a full time lawn guy with commercial zero turn mowers. I need a new push mower and won't be using it much. But I would like something that will run good and last more than a year or so. I noticed that home depot now sells a couple of Honda mowers. One is 699 and I think the other is 599. The reviews are great on the Honda push mowers. What do you guys think of these push mowers? Anyone have one? Thanks!

rreyn1812
01-22-2013, 05:24 PM
I have two of the top of the line Honda residential mowers with BBC. I used them for one year commercially and they performed flawlessly. They did start smoking more than I like after a full year of constant use. There are others on here that have used them too, with varying degrees of success. I let them languish for a year and just got them running again and will probably sell them in the spring. Basically, if you don't use them very much, they should last a long time.

After using them, and then giving up most of my smaller lawns, I bought a John Deere JS36 with a B&S engine (6.75) and it was about $300 less than the Honda and the parts cost less and are more readily available in my area and it does just as good a job for less. For limited use, I like the B&S engine on a simple mower and it should last pretty much forever.

ztrguy
01-22-2013, 05:54 PM
I have two of the top of the line Honda residential mowers with BBC. I used them for one year commercially and they performed flawlessly. They did start smoking more than I like after a full year of constant use. There are others on here that have used them too, with varying degrees of success. I let them languish for a year and just got them running again and will probably sell them in the spring. Basically, if you don't use them very much, they should last a long time.

After using them, and then giving up most of my smaller lawns, I bought a John Deere JS36 with a B&S engine (6.75) and it was about $300 less than the Honda and the parts cost less and are more readily available in my area and it does just as good a job for less. For limited use, I like the B&S engine on a simple mower and it should last pretty much forever.

Thanks for the post! I bought three Toro push mowers in the past and after about a year or two they don't hold up any longer. The Personal Pace system went out on all three after about a year. The deck height mechanism was so worn out on the wheels that they wouldn't stay on the correct height. I don't put over 30 hours on a push mower per year either. The last one I bought was a Craftsman push mower. Just a plain basic mower. It lasted one season and then had the same issue with the wheels staying at correct height. Just wanting something that will last a good two years and three would be even better.

TopNotchLawnCare
01-22-2013, 06:39 PM
I had a Toro Personal Pace last me close to two years before the handle broke off on boths sides right where the knobs are to fold the handle bars. Didn't have any problems with the trans or B&S Stratton engine.

beano
01-22-2013, 07:55 PM
I had a Honda and when it died tried Snapper and John deere. I then went right back to Honda. I only push mow 2 to 3 yards a week and I will not buy another 21"

BigFish
01-22-2013, 07:56 PM
I'm a full time lawn guy with commercial zero turn mowers. I need a new push mower and won't be using it much. But I would like something that will run good and last more than a year or so. I noticed that home depot now sells a couple of Honda mowers. One is 699 and I think the other is 599. The reviews are great on the Honda push mowers. What do you guys think of these push mowers? Anyone have one? Thanks!

I don't cut, I fix. In my not so humble opinion, if you're wanting a good long lasting push mower, get one with a B&S side valve engine. The best, hands down. Stay away from the OHV engines... yer buyin' a lawn mower, not a race engine. K.I.S.S. The outfit I wrench for has a bunch of em, and the engines give very little trouble! And they get beat up pretty good. Now the mowers themselves are pretty much junk. But if you get a good brand, look at the deck and wheel adjusters closely, you should be able to tell a good one from a junk one.
Looks like the current B&S side valve lineup includes the 725EX, 725exPlatinum, 675ex, 675exGold, 625E, plus smaller ones.
Go to the B&S site and clich on lawn mower engines.
Another thing you can do on a push mower is bump the rpm's up to at least 3,450, it will cut a whole lot easier and smoother, and won't affect the warranty.

woodlanda
01-22-2013, 11:42 PM
I bought the 21" commercial Honda mower, it has lasted me two years seasons so far, i probably put 200-250 hours a season on it, cuts 25+ yards a week change the oil every 50 or so hours, the mower is higher in price but it starts on first or second pull even after sitting a week, it has enough power to cut 4-6" grass and doesn't bog down to much, it is rear wheel drive and has the adjustable speed control so you can set the speed you walk at, the frame is durable and the wheels dont bend or go crooked when you bump into something

this is the model #hrc2163hxc

it will last many years if you do regular maintenance my dad has had a Honda mower from 1988 it still runs and cuts the grass once a week, it smokes a little but its over 20 years old, i even use it on my mowing routes some weeks as a second mower

rbljack
01-23-2013, 12:22 AM
I bought the 21" commercial Honda mower, it has lasted me two years seasons so far, i probably put 200-250 hours a season on it, cuts 25+ yards a week change the oil every 50 or so hours, the mower is higher in price but it starts on first or second pull even after sitting a week, it has enough power to cut 4-6" grass and doesn't bog down to much, it is rear wheel drive and has the adjustable speed control so you can set the speed you walk at, the frame is durable and the wheels dont bend or go crooked when you bump into something

this is the model #hrc2163hxc

it will last many years if you do regular maintenance my dad has had a Honda mower from 1988 it still runs and cuts the grass once a week, it smokes a little but its over 20 years old, i even use it on my mowing routes some weeks as a second mower

X2.....i bought the HRC and used it exclusively last year after purchase. Its a tank, runs great, cuts great, and the only downside is its a bit heavier than your typical residential. Not saying thats a bad thing though, because once i got used to it, it became the "norm". Id say spend the extra money for the HRC model and you wont go wrong. will last many years from what ive heard.

good luck.

rreyn1812
01-23-2013, 09:14 AM
X2.....i bought the HRC and used it exclusively last year after purchase. Its a tank, runs great, cuts great, and the only downside is its a bit heavier than your typical residential. Not saying thats a bad thing though, because once i got used to it, it became the "norm". Id say spend the extra money for the HRC model and you wont go wrong. will last many years from what ive heard.

good luck.

Yep, they are great! They are also very heavy, and pretty darn expensive ($1100), so unless you are using it on some fairly level ground, don't have to lift it, and use it a lot, then to me the cost is not worth it. I have a lot of slopes and this mower would be very hard to handle. Mostly, I've come to agree with using the B&S side valve mowers for cost & weight reasons. And they are very reliable.

RussellB
01-23-2013, 09:31 AM
I have two Honda mowers. The HRX2172 and the HRR2165. Like both a lot. Perform the routine Maintenance often and they will last forever. The HRX2172 cost a little more but cuts tall, wet grass with ease. If you bag a lot it can be a pain because you have to cut the mower off to dump the bag. The HRR2165 has a little less power but you don't have to cut the mower off to dump the bag. Both of mine are three years old and have many more years left in them. I highly recommend them and both are less than $700.

robert@honda
01-23-2013, 09:42 AM
Honda has four different mower series:

HRC (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrc-series-lawn-mowers) - Commercial grade, fully rated for daily commercial use. Twin blades. Thick steel decks. Composite NeXite wheels, handlebar supports, 2-stage air cleaner, etc. Available in a shaft-drive self-propel and push models, both with commercial grade engines.

HRX (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrx-series-lawn-mowers) - Premium Residential, GCV residential engines, hydrostatic drive, SmartDrive, electric start, NeXite composite decks, Clip Director. Variable mulch/discharge/bag. Twin blades.

HRR (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrr-series-lawn-mowers) - Steel deck residential mowers. SmartDrive, electric start. Rear discharge, mulch or bag. Twin blades.

HRS (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrs-series-lawn-mowers) - Steel deck, side discharge or mulch. Flat deck, 160cc residential engine. Single-speed self-propel or push.

Full Line-up Here: Honda Lawn Mowers (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers)

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.

ztrguy
01-23-2013, 02:59 PM
Honda has four different mower series:

HRC (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrc-series-lawn-mowers) - Commercial grade, fully rated for daily commercial use. Twin blades. Thick steel decks. Composite NeXite wheels, handlebar supports, 2-stage air cleaner, etc. Available in a shaft-drive self-propel and push models, both with commercial grade engines.

HRX (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrx-series-lawn-mowers) - Premium Residential, GCV residential engines, hydrostatic drive, SmartDrive, electric start, NeXite composite decks, Clip Director. Variable mulch/discharge/bag. Twin blades.

HRR (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrr-series-lawn-mowers) - Steel deck residential mowers. SmartDrive, electric start. Rear discharge, mulch or bag. Twin blades.

HRS (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrs-series-lawn-mowers) - Steel deck, side discharge or mulch. Flat deck, 160cc residential engine. Single-speed self-propel or push.

Full Line-up Here: Honda Lawn Mowers (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers)

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.

Thanks for the post. The mower at Home Depot is the HRX. I know it all depends on how you use the mower and take care of it, but curious as to how many hours the mower deck/frame/transmission/etc can handle before wearing out. The HRX vs the HRC? Thanks

robert@honda
01-23-2013, 03:13 PM
...how many hours the mower deck/frame/transmission/etc can handle before wearing out. The HRX vs the HRC? Thanks

All things equal, the HRC will generally last longer than an HRX, because the HRC is held to higher durability standards established by Honda's engineers.

The devil is in the details: Shaft drive, rigid-supported handlebars, commercial grade engine, vs. belt drive, folding handlebars, residential grade engine....

Both are fine mowers, but in the long haul, the HRC is better suited to daily use (and abuse). :)

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.

lawnkingforever
01-23-2013, 03:18 PM
Yep, they are great! They are also very heavy, and pretty darn expensive ($1100), so unless you are using it on some fairly level ground, don't have to lift it, and use it a lot, then to me the cost is not worth it. I have a lot of slopes and this mower would be very hard to handle. Mostly, I've come to agree with using the B&S side valve mowers for cost & weight reasons. And they are very reliable.
That is pretty much my conclusion with Honda. Way to heavy, a tad underpowered, and parts are very expensive. A very durable mower, no doubt just does not fit my application. After using Honda, snapper, and a Toro super recycler last year I prefer the snapper. Not a huge fan of the personal pace, but the Sr4 is decent. I wanted the Toro#22156, commercial "21 but it is not variable speed. The heavy duty Toro is built like a tank but much too heavy for a trim mower. I refuse to trailer a pushmower anymore since it wears it out as much as actually mowing with it. It goes in the pickup bed, so weight is a concern for my purpose. After transporting my Sr4 in the bed last season it has held much better than my previous pushmowers.
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BigFish
01-23-2013, 06:41 PM
Honda has four different mower series:

HRC (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrc-series-lawn-mowers) - Commercial grade, fully rated for daily commercial use. Twin blades. Thick steel decks. Composite NeXite wheels, handlebar supports, 2-stage air cleaner, etc. Available in a shaft-drive self-propel and push models, both with commercial grade engines.

HRX (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrx-series-lawn-mowers) - Premium Residential, GCV residential engines, hydrostatic drive, SmartDrive, electric start, NeXite composite decks, Clip Director. Variable mulch/discharge/bag. Twin blades.

HRR (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrr-series-lawn-mowers) - Steel deck residential mowers. SmartDrive, electric start. Rear discharge, mulch or bag. Twin blades.

HRS (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrs-series-lawn-mowers) - Steel deck, side discharge or mulch. Flat deck, 160cc residential engine. Single-speed self-propel or push.

Full Line-up Here: Honda Lawn Mowers (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers)

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.

Good info!

amosslmope
01-23-2013, 09:25 PM
Being a honda dealer I would recommend the HRC for any commercial use but honestly when I was cutting commercially I used my HRX a lot more and it held up amazingly. I was in Hawaii so cut year round. I would say definitely buy from a dealer usually it will be the same price or cheaper and they will adjust the rpm and drive to spec. We find most HRR and HRX units have the rpm set extremely low out of the box and have to adjust them. Andrew, Dallas, GA

ztrguy
02-05-2013, 05:28 PM
How do the HRX and HRC push mowers perform on an incline?

robert@honda
02-06-2013, 08:51 AM
How do the HRX and HRC push mowers perform on an incline?

Honda recommends mowing across the slope with walk-behind mowers, so I'd say they work evenly, perhaps a slight edge to the HRC with its heavier weight probably provides a bit more traction.

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.

ArTurf
12-08-2013, 10:10 AM
Honda has four different mower series:

HRC (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrc-series-lawn-mowers) - Commercial grade, fully rated for daily commercial use. Twin blades. Thick steel decks. Composite NeXite wheels, handlebar supports, 2-stage air cleaner, etc. Available in a shaft-drive self-propel and push models, both with commercial grade engines.

HRX (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrx-series-lawn-mowers) - Premium Residential, GCV residential engines, hydrostatic drive, SmartDrive, electric start, NeXite composite decks, Clip Director. Variable mulch/discharge/bag. Twin blades.

HRR (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrr-series-lawn-mowers) - Steel deck residential mowers. SmartDrive, electric start. Rear discharge, mulch or bag. Twin blades.

HRS (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers/hrs-series-lawn-mowers) - Steel deck, side discharge or mulch. Flat deck, 160cc residential engine. Single-speed self-propel or push.

Full Line-up Here: Honda Lawn Mowers (http://powerequipment.honda.com/lawn-mowers)

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.

Are the hydorstatic transmissions the same in the HRX & HRC?

robert@honda
12-09-2013, 09:59 AM
Are the hydorstatic transmissions the same in the HRX & HRC?

Close, but not exact. Both use the swash-plate design to control speed, both use the same fluid, etc. Both have driven pumps that pressurize the HST fluid, then control that flow to drive a motor that turns the drive shaft.

The biggest difference is the HRC is a commercial-grade, designed to handle thousands of hours of daily use. It is powered by a driveshaft that is directly connected to the HRC's engine. All the internal parts of the HRC are available and it can be rebuilt and serviced down to the last nut and bolt.

The HRX is a premium-consumer model, and does not have any internally-serviceable parts. It is rated to perform as a homeowner-grade device, and isn't subject to as high a durability standards as the HRC's transmission. The HRX's hydrostatic transmission is powered by a belt-driven pulley, rather than a driveshaft, as all HRX mower decks were designed to work with belts. Generally speaking, a driveshaft will usually last longer before failure vs. a belt. That said, it would take years and years of typical homeowner use before the belt would even start to show any wear.

Regardless of which you may use, once you try a hydrostatic transmission, it is hard to go back to a straight gear-type or slipping belt design.

rbljack
12-09-2013, 02:45 PM
How do the HRX and HRC push mowers perform on an incline?

The hrc does a pretty good job on a incline for me, but I should also mention two things; I typically mulch (no bag weight), and I live in texas, so there aren't too many steep inclines around.

We do have a few though, and im sidehilling those most of the time. The mower will climb them also. Just easier on me to sidehill.

It handles side hills fairly well too. I can side hill a few places where the exmark 30 can't. Don't get me wrong, I love my exmark 30 also....but the Honda is easier to side hill a steeper slope.

DXN1EL
12-09-2013, 02:48 PM
If Honda made the ASIMO (http://asimo.honda.com/asimotv/) :cool2:

I am sure they can make a mower:dancing:

ArTurf
12-10-2013, 11:58 AM
Being a honda dealer I would recommend the HRC for any commercial use but honestly when I was cutting commercially I used my HRX a lot more and it held up amazingly. I was in Hawaii so cut year round. I would say definitely buy from a dealer usually it will be the same price or cheaper and they will adjust the rpm and drive to spec. We find most HRR and HRX units have the rpm set extremely low out of the box and have to adjust them. Andrew, Dallas, GA

What would you recommend the RPM be set at?

ArTurf
12-13-2013, 11:00 AM
robert@honda
Can you find out the answer to the RPM setting? amosslmope may not be following this old thread. I plan on buying a honda mower later this winter.

robert@honda
01-06-2014, 10:34 AM
Depends on the specific model....but generally, the HRC should be set at 3,100 +/-50 rpm.