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dathorpe
01-23-2013, 07:48 AM
I'll be purchasing three new 60" zeros in the next month or so. I need your help and your experiences with the DFI, EFI engines, in particular. I'm leaning towards all three being Turf Tigers. All of my previous mowers were Exmark or Toro and all had Kohler air cooled 23hp's and 27hp's. I've had good luck with those engines. But I'm thinking I want more power this time around with roughly the same gph or better. I was thinking of maybe two Kawasaki DFI 29hp's and one Briggs 35hp ('cause I need at least one true beast). But I've been checking around and I'm not hearing too many good things about the Kawasaki 29hp DFI L/C. It's making me nervous. So, now I'm thinking about going with the Kohler 31hp EFI L/C. What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Kaw 29 DFI or the Kohler 31 EFI?

Also, there's a Kohler 29hp EFI but apparently, according to Scag website, that's a 10.5 mph machine. Thanks in advance.

orangemower
01-23-2013, 08:52 AM
I'd go Vanguard BB35.

djagusch
01-23-2013, 08:59 AM
The kawi 29dfi (now called fd791d model) was scags most popular engine for years. I'm guessing it still is but the 35bb is getting closer since the price is lower and the more pwr mindset.

The kawi is a solid engine.
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smallstripesnc
01-23-2013, 07:14 PM
I just bought a gravely with a 23hp kohler efi and after putting two hours on it i really like it. It sips fuel and is easy to start and even being 40 drgrees today it ran great.
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weaver
01-23-2013, 07:53 PM
I just bought a gravely with a 23hp kohler efi and after putting two hours on it i really like it. It sips fuel and is easy to start and even being 40 drgrees today it ran great.
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How come i haven't seen any pics? :waving:

joemower
01-23-2013, 09:31 PM
We've been running 26 EFI & 23 EFI Kohlers and love them. Won't go back to a non EFI engine if I can help it.
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PabsMaster
01-23-2013, 09:40 PM
I like the setup you have now, two kaw, and one 35 briggs.

dathorpe
01-23-2013, 09:53 PM
Thanks for all the help guys. I really appreciate your opinions.

I spoke with a mechanic today whom I really trust. He's advising me to go with the Kohler 29HP EFI. He said he really likes the Kohler EFI's. He said that he hasn't had the opportunity to work on the Kohler 31HP EFI and that he doesn't know of anybody running that motor locally. He suggested against the Kaw 29HP DFI... saying that Kawasaki DFI engines are great until they have an issue. Then they're a PITA to work on and the parts cost a lot more.

I'm still rolling things around but right now it seems I'm leaning towards a Briggs 35 and two Kohler EFI 29's.

PabsMaster
01-23-2013, 10:05 PM
I like that choice. I have heard great things about kohlers EFI, those are the engines of the future. NO MORE CARBS!!

Blade Runners
02-22-2013, 04:17 PM
I'll be purchasing three new 60" zeros in the next month or so. I need your help and your experiences with the DFI, EFI engines, in particular. I'm leaning towards all three being Turf Tigers. All of my previous mowers were Exmark or Toro and all had Kohler air cooled 23hp's and 27hp's. I've had good luck with those engines. But I'm thinking I want more power this time around with roughly the same gph or better. I was thinking of maybe two Kawasaki DFI 29hp's and one Briggs 35hp ('cause I need at least one true beast). But I've been checking around and I'm not hearing too many good things about the Kawasaki 29hp DFI L/C. It's making me nervous. So, now I'm thinking about going with the Kohler 31hp EFI L/C. What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Kaw 29 DFI or the Kohler 31 EFI?

Also, there's a Kohler 29hp EFI but apparently, according to Scag website, that's a 10.5 mph machine. Thanks in advance.

I am also considering the Kohler 29 efi. I was surprised when I checked the Scag website and saw they use this engine on the 52", 61" and 72" Turf Tigers. If they can run it on a 72" I figure it should have more than enough power for the 52" TT I will be getting soon. Let us know what you end up with and post up a review.

pugs
02-22-2013, 05:38 PM
I have heard very little bad about the Kaw 29DFI. About the only OEM that uses it is Scag on the TT. And they have been using it for probably 10 years. Not sure why you are hearing so much negative about it.

Honestly any of them are going to be good. The 35 Briggs Vanguard is a monster. If you want power go there.

Also, FYI Kohler EFI parts aint cheap either. I have never priced much for the Kawasaki DFI but I know the Kohler stuff isnt very thrifty...

dathorpe
02-22-2013, 07:50 PM
Yep, I've since changed my opinion on the Kaw 29 DFI after hearing from many different people. One guy has two Turf Tigers with the DFI Kaws with 2800 & 3600 hrs. He said they have been excellent engines for him. However, those Kaws are 1400.00 more than the Briggs 35 and 1600.00 more than the Kohler EFI. That's some very hard numbers to overcome. Hence, I'm leaning towards the combo of 1 Briggs 35, 2 Kohler 29 EFI. I ran a demo on the Briggs 35 last week and loved it. It plowed through 10" field fescue effortlessly. They've set up a new Kohler EFI for me to demo next week. I'm anxious to see what it can do. If it fails me, I may have to consider the Kaw DFI but I'm still a bit leary of having to deal with liquid cooled.

Also, the Ferris dealer wants me to take a spin on the 3100z and I am somewhat interested. Problem is they're about a grand more per machine than the Turf Tiger and, right or wrong, I still see the Ferris as kind of a gimmick. I don't mean to give offense to the Ferris guys... Everyone likes what they like.

BTW, Pugs, do you own pugs? ...they're the best.
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weeze
02-23-2013, 12:35 AM
i dunno but they all suck!

...gas that is.

puppypaws
02-23-2013, 07:44 PM
Yep, I've since changed my opinion on the Kaw 29 DFI after hearing from many different people. One guy has two Turf Tigers with the DFI Kaws with 2800 & 3600 hrs. He said they have been excellent engines for him. However, those Kaws are 1400.00 more than the Briggs 35 and 1600.00 more than the Kohler EFI. That's some very hard numbers to overcome. Hence, I'm leaning towards the combo of 1 Briggs 35, 2 Kohler 29 EFI. I ran a demo on the Briggs 35 last week and loved it. It plowed through 10" field fescue effortlessly. They've set up a new Kohler EFI for me to demo next week. I'm anxious to see what it can do. If it fails me, I may have to consider the Kaw DFI but I'm still a bit leary of having to deal with liquid cooled.

Also, the Ferris dealer wants me to take a spin on the 3100z and I am somewhat interested. Problem is they're about a grand more per machine than the Turf Tiger and, right or wrong, I still see the Ferris as kind of a gimmick. I don't mean to give offense to the Ferris guys... Everyone likes what they like.

BTW, Pugs, do you own pugs? ...they're the best.
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The Kohler 29 efi will burn about 40% less fuel than the 35 Vanguard, but the Vanguard will cut through big heavy grass that would stall the 29. You need a use for both, and it seems as though you have one. Vanguard is working very hard trying to implement fuel injection onto their BB engines, but they are making sure it is foolproof before releasing it to the end user.

crazyflyboy30
02-24-2013, 12:50 AM
I like that choice. I have heard great things about kohlers EFI, those are the engines of the future. NO MORE CARBS!!

fuel is injected into the throttle bore.Handhelds
http://www.walbro.com/media/8051/HandHeld_Starting%20System.pdf

They will have EFI or something close to it soon on handhelds . :drinkup: