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EastMSLawn
01-30-2013, 02:59 PM
Has anyone worked with Surety Lending Solutions (national property preservation company) as a vendor? If so, please share your experience. They have secured contracts on large number of foreclosures in my area and am considering providing lawn care for vacant properties.

RMLC_BZN
01-30-2013, 10:41 PM
I don't think I worked with that exact company but I did some bids for a similar company last year. You had to take like 15 pictures every time you mowed a property to document that you were there and then you had to upload them to their web site. I probably spent just as much time taking and uploading pictures as I did mowing most of the properties. On the other hand if you need work they probably have a lot of it and they always paid on time. For me it wasn't worth the extra hassle.

mikeclfc
02-03-2013, 09:25 AM
I don't think I worked with that exact company but I did some bids for a similar company last year. You had to take like 15 pictures every time you mowed a property to document that you were there and then you had to upload them to their web site. I probably spent just as much time taking and uploading pictures as I did mowing most of the properties. On the other hand if you need work they probably have a lot of it and they always paid on time. For me it wasn't worth the extra hassle.

I contracted for them, thy are based out of Louisiana and have a good bit of work, I had issue with payments, they sent me
Checks on time but there was always a number of orders missing. And when you stop contracting for them they hold your money for 90 days. Kind of a cowboy run company in my opinion. There 2 or 3 Guys and 2 or 3 office girls running the whole thing. They do pay but you have to double check everything. Thy have vey strict picture requirements and will send you back for missing a picture of a for sale
Sign! Theyre always advertising on Craigslist which tell me something- That's just my opinion
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EastMSLawn
02-03-2013, 12:53 PM
Thanks for input! I was concerned about payment issues and had not been able to get a straight answer from them. The area I service was hit very hard by housing bubble bust and has an immense number of foreclosures. Just wanted to get a better feel for the company before signing on as a vendor.

When orders were left out of the checks, would you be paid for them if contacted them and corrected the oversight or did you have to forego payment on these?

Thanks again.

mikeclfc
02-03-2013, 01:42 PM
Thanks for input! I was concerned about payment issues and had not been able to get a straight answer from them. The area I service was hit very hard by housing bubble bust and has an immense number of foreclosures. Just wanted to get a better feel for the company before signing on as a vendor.

When orders were left out of the checks, would you be paid for them if contacted them and corrected the oversight or did you have to forego payment on these?

Thanks again.

I would fill out a payment discrepancy list, some I would get paid without question ad others they would come up with a bs excuse like oh the grass had only grown 3inches ago that's considered limited growth when the work order said nothing about not to cut if grass height is such and such, but then you don't cut and get charged a late fee for not submitting on time. They have a lot of different clients who all have different rules and they don't really make that clear to you
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mikeclfc
02-03-2013, 01:44 PM
I would fill out a payment discrepancy list, some I would get paid without question ad others they would come up with a bs excuse like oh the grass had only grown 3inches ago that's considered limited growth when the work order said nothing about not to cut if grass height is such and such, but then you don't cut and get charged a late fee for not submitting on time. They have a lot of different clients who all have different rules and they don't really make that clear to you
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I ended up getting a lot back was down about 200-300 after all said and done
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dhardin53
02-03-2013, 02:48 PM
Most not all of these type of companies pray upon guys needing work. Their have a huge program to get work from banks and foreclosed property. many will charge a flat rate to the bank and get rich if they can stiff the guy doing the work. They don't get involved unless the local bank, or complaining neighbor complains an see you dong anything that looks wrong. (even if it is not) The bank will call these companies and the poor guy doing the work get stiffed. If you want to work all summer to keep 6 or 8 salesmen and accountants making better money than you, go work for them I will not.

CreativeLawncareSolutions
02-03-2013, 04:50 PM
Most not all of these type of companies pray upon guys needing work. Their have a huge program to get work from banks and foreclosed property. many will charge a flat rate to the bank and get rich if they can stiff the guy doing the work. They don't get involved unless the local bank, or complaining neighbor complains an see you dong anything that looks wrong. (even if it is not) The bank will call these companies and the poor guy doing the work get stiffed. If you want to work all summer to keep 6 or 8 salesmen and accountants making better money than you, go work for them I will not.

Grass is grass. Money is money. What you're saying isn't making much sense. Should someone sit at home and do nothing before working for these companies?

mikeclfc
02-03-2013, 05:24 PM
I have several contracts with reputable companies in this business and at least 2 of them are worth way more than any commercial contract I could get or want to get l. I have enough work to run 3-4 crews full time from march to December and get a check every week without Fail. The only downside is there is a lot of office work to go with it but even with hiring someone to handle that it is still very profitable.. You just have to watch out for these in between companies who play at being a big company. They are the people who will stiff you!
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herler
02-03-2013, 05:37 PM
Personally I think it's a bit much for a solo but with only one helper it would be peaches, one starts cutting while the other takes pictures, you'd be surprised how long taking 20-30 pictures takes, bring spare batteries, then grab a trimmer, the other guy gets done mowing and blows down, back to the camera and done.

Seriously, it's not the kind of work that pays for folks to stripe it all fancy criss-cross and puckered up lips smooching up on some customer's butt, time to forget the nonsense, folks need to get in, do the job and get out, don't forget the details and you should be good.

mikeclfc
02-03-2013, 05:48 PM
That's exactly what we do I have 2 guys to a truck one starts taking pics while the other one unloads, he starts cutting in front while the guy is finishing the pics in back, he think grabs trimmer edges drives and fence lines as foundation the guy on the mower blows off front while the guy trims in the back. 15-20 mins in and out. As long as its 2" or less and all edges and blown off you've done a good job! Theyll knock out 18-23 a day depending on driving distances. Who the hell cares how good it looks as long as the customer is happy and your making money, inhale seperste residential and commercial customer were quality obviously does matter but I honestly make way more per hour doing foreclosure grass cuts.
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dhardin53
02-04-2013, 09:44 AM
Foreclosure and abandoned property is a big part of my business as well, as been for many years. I work for the bank or the city that enforces the code violations. There are no middle men i have to deal with. My experience shows I make more money dealing direct.

EastMSLawn
02-04-2013, 10:43 AM
Foreclosure and abandoned property is a big part of my business as well, as been for many years. I work for the bank or the city that enforces the code violations. There are no middle men i have to deal with. My experience shows I make more money dealing direct.
Thanks for your input. Who do you contact at bank to discuss lawn maintenance for foreclosure properties? Also, through the bank, do you receive work orders or do you simply enter a contract a supply lawn service for X amount of time? Thanks again.

bfdast
05-01-2013, 08:08 PM
I just started with SLS and will see how it goes. In my area there is so many hacks that I have been cutting 2 yards for a year. Im a firefighter with a new family and wife in school so advertising wasnt much. I hope to have better luck with this. My plans is to have myself and 1 guy this year, buy newer equipment and truck, then in a year or 2 if its still going good ill hire 2 more to do them and try to focus more on getting contract work.

herler
05-01-2013, 09:40 PM
Yes but what a pita load of paper work with pictures and all the BS involved for all that if I need a ton of work it's a whole lot easier I just lowball everything badly.

Green Finger
05-03-2013, 11:30 AM
Get with the companies that have been around. Don't sign with the new ones. Because they will try and low-ball you on your yards. Then when you don't produce, they will charge the money back and take it from your check. You also have to keep all your insurance current. GL and Workmans Comp. Have a good mix of accounts

Greg78
05-03-2013, 11:39 AM
Personally I think it's a bit much for a solo but with only one helper it would be peaches, one starts cutting while the other takes pictures, you'd be surprised how long taking 20-30 pictures takes, bring spare batteries, then grab a trimmer, the other guy gets done mowing and blows down, back to the camera and done.

Seriously, it's not the kind of work that pays for folks to stripe it all fancy criss-cross and puckered up lips smooching up on some customer's butt, time to forget the nonsense, folks need to get in, do the job and get out, don't forget the details and you should be good.

Too much walking. Guy on mower takes all pictures.

BLC7
08-25-2015, 03:00 PM
I know this is an old thread, but this company contacted me just minutes ago. A quick google search of them landed me on good ole lawnsite.

The girl acted shocked when I asked for the address for the foreclosed home as if I was going to accept blindly without looking at the place.

She said there would need to be 20-40 pictures per cut. I told her I didn't have a problem taking the pictures, and that they would cost $5 each (as suggested in another property preservation thread). She laughed at me, and said that wouldn't work. LOL.

If a person needs the work, I guess companies like this are okay, and it gets your face seen around town; but to take and upload 20-40 friggin' pictures each time you visit? Nooo way.

13Razorbackfan
08-25-2015, 04:37 PM
I know this is an old thread, but this company contacted me just minutes ago. A quick google search of them landed me on good ole lawnsite.

The girl acted shocked when I asked for the address for the foreclosed home as if I was going to accept blindly without looking at the place.

She said there would need to be 20-40 pictures per cut. I told her I didn't have a problem taking the pictures, and that they would cost $5 each (as suggested in another property preservation thread). She laughed at me, and said that wouldn't work. LOL.

If a person needs the work, I guess companies like this are okay, and it gets your face seen around town; but to take and upload 20-40 friggin' pictures each time you visit? Nooo way.See...I don't get the whole "if you need work" thing. I would go door to door starting in nicer neighborhoods before even considering working for ones of these middleman property management companies. Hell....go to the local banks directly if you want to mow foreclosed homes.

BLC7
08-25-2015, 05:27 PM
See...I don't get the whole "if you need work" thing. I would go door to door starting in nicer neighborhoods before even considering working for ones of these middleman property management companies. Hell....go to the local banks directly if you want to mow foreclosed homes.

I'm not sure what everyone else means by "if you need work". What I mean is if you're busting your butt, and are not gaining properties fast enough and need the $, then the hassle may be worth it temporarily until you get your feet on the ground & running, then just drop them. Last year I had these companies contacting me on a weekly basis, as I'm sure others here experience the same. I didn't need the work, and I dang sure wasn't going to submit pictures every time I serviced the property.

If a person is desperate, at least there is a tiny bit of profit until they've built a foundation outside of these types.

It seems some folks make these type of arrangements work for them.

GRANTSKI
08-25-2015, 05:41 PM
I'm trying to make a decision myself on working with a realtor. Slightly different it'll be all rental homes...not foreclosures. No pix required. Seems like alot of ppl discourage it : but alot of ppl are making $ doing it.
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13Razorbackfan
08-25-2015, 05:56 PM
I'm trying to make a decision myself on working with a realtor. Slightly different it'll be all rental homes...not foreclosures. No pix required. Seems like alot of ppl discourage it : but alot of ppl are making $ doing it.
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I have found in my area that Realtors are by far the hardest clients to satisfy. I wouldn't say all of them are but a majority of the ones I have worked for always seem to want the "lawn guy" to make their poorly landscaped and non-irrigated lawn look like something you would see in better homes and gardens magazine for next to nothing.

BLC7
08-25-2015, 06:08 PM
I'm trying to make a decision myself on working with a realtor. Slightly different it'll be all rental homes...not foreclosures. No pix required. Seems like alot of ppl discourage it : but alot of ppl are making $ doing it.
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Give it a shot, but I do agree with the post below. Some realtor's expect way too much for a mow and go agreement.

I've never worked with one personally, however, I believe I was pushed out of a job the homeowner hired me for while her house was for sale. I sent pictures voluntarily bc the owner was out of state. Caught the realtor talking sh*t about "what wasn't being done". Little did that realtor know that I had been sending pictures to the owner.

They are a cut throat bunch for sure.




I have found in my area that Realtors are by far the hardest clients to satisfy. I wouldn't say all of them are but a majority of the ones I have worked for always seem to want the "lawn guy" to make their poorly landscaped and non-irrigated lawn look like something you would see in better homes and gardens magazine for next to nothing.

GRANTSKI
08-25-2015, 06:12 PM
I've had the opposite experience. Was mowing a property this yr and the realtor texted me just to compliment the work and recommended me to mow 2 more properties.
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grassmonkey0311
08-25-2015, 06:18 PM
Has anyone worked with Surety Lending Solutions (national property preservation company) as a vendor? If so, please share your experience. They have secured contracts on large number of foreclosures in my area and am considering providing lawn care for vacant properties.

Well...


AVS is making gazillions mowing foreclosures.


But the rest of us bozo's know better and won't even touch them using our competitors mowers. Tread lightly with any property preservation company. They all say they have tons of foreclosures that need mowed, yet most have a problem paying on time (or even at all...) for the work performed.

It's up to you in you want to take that risk/chance. I don't know anything about them, but being a property preservation company, I'd run far and fast.

BLC7
08-25-2015, 06:24 PM
I've had the opposite experience. Was mowing a property this yr and the realtor texted me just to compliment the work and recommended me to mow 2 more properties.
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The realtor wasn't the one that hired me. I believe the homeowner went against "using the realtor's guy", and it pissed her off. Ha ha. Had the account for almost a year. I was sort of in the middle, the homeowner would say one thing, and the realtor would say something completely different as far as what needed to be done, etc. It's funny, because both the homeowner and I were on the same page, and the bitching realtor had no idea. Figure the realtor lowballed the price for the lawn, took a cut off the back of her $10/hr maintenance guy, and the homeowner agreed. Received an email from the owner saying the property was sold, and she no longer needed me.

The lie detector test determined THAT was a lie. For sale sign still up 4 months later.

No big loss.

grassmonkey0311
08-25-2015, 07:14 PM
I have found in my area that Realtors are by far the hardest clients to satisfy. I wouldn't say all of them are but a majority of the ones I have worked for always seem to want the "lawn guy" to make their poorly landscaped and non-irrigated lawn look like something you would see in better homes and gardens magazine for next to nothing.

I'm the same way. When I first started out, I got a call from a realtor and I just about sh!t my pants in excitement.

Then reality set in....


These people want a perfect yard for pennies.

13Razorbackfan
08-25-2015, 08:03 PM
I'm the same way. When I first started out, I got a call from a realtor and I just about sh!t my pants in excitement.

Then reality set in....


These people want a perfect yard for pennies.Yep...because like most of the management companies they don't own the property and make commissions off the work being done and property being sold. Middlemen is all they are. That is why I try and only deal with homeowners or renters. I want to talk directly to the person the service is being performed for and not a person making money off of the work I am doing. I still get a call a week property management companies. I tell them I am not interested and go about my business.

AVS Lawns
08-25-2015, 08:35 PM
Well...


AVS is making gazillions mowing foreclosures.


But the rest of us bozo's know better and won't even touch them using our competitors mowers. Tread lightly with any property preservation company. They all say they have tons of foreclosures that need mowed, yet most have a problem paying on time (or even at all...) for the work performed.

It's up to you in you want to take that risk/chance. I don't know anything about them, but being a property preservation company, I'd run far and fast.

Not gazillions but paying bills and showing a healthy profit.

If you jump in bed with someone from a cold call or a craigslist ad, well, you get what you deserve with preservation companies.

Have a multi year working relationship with them doing all other aspects of preservation and lockouts/winterizing you tend to weed out the wheat from the chaff pretty easy.

If they dont have a verification app and want you to upload pics, sucks to be you f you accept the work.

My 20 pics a lawn add a whopping 5 min to my day. How hard is it to pull out a phone and go click click click while traversing the lawn? As long as the house and some grass is in the pic most don't care. Not doing glamour shots for better homes and gardens here. Here's the long grass, here's the grass being cut, here's the short grass.
See how easy it is?
Pick order from list? Click camera icon 20 times, click complete.
Phone does it's magic and the pics are gone to the innerwebz.
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Mow-Daddy.com
08-25-2015, 08:54 PM
I did 1 clean up job for a preservation co.this summer. I gave an eextremely high bid. Told them I would send 2 before and 2 after pics. And would not add them on my insurance as additional insured party. They excepted my bid and I received a check within a week.
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Caddyshack Lawn Care
08-26-2015, 03:55 PM
My 20 pics a lawn add a whopping 5 min to my day.
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20 pics would take me at least an extra 5 minutes per lawn, time I don't have to spare. Then there's the time to upload the pics to their site, which for 20 pics is going to be about 10 min per lawn so there's a min. 15 minutes per lawn there.

I have no interest in working for someone who doesn't trust that I've done the work stated on my invoice. I've said before that I've had out-of-state landlords call to hire me and want pictures. My response is that it's no problem, I'll be thrilled to take all the pictures they want, but they're an additional $2/each. Suddenly pictures aren't so important.

Taking pictures and uploading them for free? Like herler said....I'd rather lowball for a living.

BLC7
08-26-2015, 04:06 PM
My response is that it's no problem, I'll be thrilled to take all the pictures they want, but they're an additional $2/each. Suddenly pictures aren't so important.



Thanks! I must have found this nugget from a previous post of yours.

Told the lady yesterday I could take pics no problem, and they're $5 each. She laughed me off the phone. LMAO.

AVS Lawns
08-26-2015, 07:35 PM
20 pics would take me at least an extra 5 minutes per lawn, time I don't have to spare. Then there's the time to upload the pics to their site, which for 20 pics is going to be about 10 min per lawn so there's a min. 15 minutes per lawn there.

I have no interest in working for someone who doesn't trust that I've done the work stated on my invoice. I've said before that I've had out-of-state landlords call to hire me and want pictures. My response is that it's no problem, I'll be thrilled to take all the pictures they want, but they're an additional $2/each. Suddenly pictures aren't so important.

Taking pictures and uploading them for free? Like herler said....I'd rather lowball for a living.
It takes you 5 min to whip out an iPhone and snap 4 pics across the front and back twice, one pic of the mower and hit a button marked complete?

And then phone does imagic and You get paid.

I don't know where you think it takes 5 min to snap pics.
These aren't better homes and gardens glamour shots.
Here's the long grass, here's the thing that cuts the long grass, here's the short grass, done.

1/4 of my pics are taken in the time it takes to walk from the truck to the gate of the trailer.

One pass across the back has another quarter. Finish back there's 3/4, back to front, load equipment, snap last quarter, done.

Little hint. If they want YOU TO UPLOAD TO A WEBSITE they are a middle and useless.

The reputable companies have an app that uploads instantly and automatically.
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BLC7
08-26-2015, 08:09 PM
I get what you're saying, but 20 pics per visit would be a pain. And this particular company wants 20-40 pics. No time for that nonsense.

Sounds like you're working for a few legit companies.




It takes you 5 min to whip out an iPhone and snap 4 pics across the front and back twice, one pic of the mower and hit a button marked complete?

And then phone does imagic and You get paid.

I don't know where you think it takes 5 min to snap pics.
These aren't better homes and gardens glamour shots.
Here's the long grass, here's the thing that cuts the long grass, here's the short grass, done.

1/4 of my pics are taken in the time it takes to walk from the truck to the gate of the trailer.

One pass across the back has another quarter. Finish back there's 3/4, back to front, load equipment, snap last quarter, done.

Little hint. If they want YOU TO UPLOAD TO A WEBSITE they are a middle and useless.

The reputable companies have an app that uploads instantly and automatically.
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GRANTSKI
08-26-2015, 08:09 PM
It takes you 5 min to whip out an iPhone and snap 4 pics across the front and back twice, one pic of the mower and hit a button marked complete?

And then phone does imagic and You get paid.

I don't know where you think it takes 5 min to snap pics.
These aren't better homes and gardens glamour shots.
Here's the long grass, here's the thing that cuts the long grass, here's the short grass, done.

1/4 of my pics are taken in the time it takes to walk from the truck to the gate of the trailer.

One pass across the back has another quarter. Finish back there's 3/4, back to front, load equipment, snap last quarter, done.

Little hint. If they want YOU TO UPLOAD TO A WEBSITE they are a middle and useless.

The reputable companies have an app that uploads instantly and automatically.
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Did u read my post about the realtor I'm in negotiations with ? Seems 10x more legit and way less nonsense. No middle man. No foreclosures. Same 50 properties for a yr. Guy sounded almost insulted when I asked if he was a,property preservation company.
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