Kansas City!!!!

[carcrz]

They stripe better, but that's about it. They throw the grass farther also, so if throwing grass onto landscapes or lots is an issue, probably wouldn't use them.

[llllllll]

Long time lurker to the site here. I am getting ready to enter my 2nd year of mowing. I mainly do mowing for banks on foreclosed properties, but due to the huge range of driving I do for the banks, I am going to pursue some clients that are nearby so that I am not spending all of my money on gas.

I am in the Lee's Summit area. The killer part of mowing foreclosed properties last year was the drive to Leavenworth and Spring Hill for one house in each town. I am still doing bank jobs this season and am hoping that gas doesn't go to much higher. Like my grandpa said though, you can hope in one hand and cr@p in the other and see which one fills up faster.

If you ever get another one in Leavenworth and dont wanna do it let me know..I am close to there..Maybe we could work somthing out.

[mott413]

I have two brand new Oregon Gator Blades for sale that won't fit my mower.
Fits 36" n 52" Mower Decks
•Length: 18" •Width: 2 1/2" •Center Hole Diameter: 5/8" •Thickness: .203 •Cut Direction: Right

$25 or best offer

[racer56]

What in the world is going on???? I feel like we have been kicked in the teeth this season. We have done more than ever to "make the phone ring" this year and it is working. We are getting alot of calls for this early this year. In fact normally we really don't do any work until the 15th in years past. This year we are trying to bring more folks on and wanted to get them out to bring us back some of the money we have been spending,lol. At least someone can't say I throw my guys out to the wolves. I feel we are and they are ready.
We work in Douglas and Johnson County and have noticed at least for us folks are taking rpices to a NEW LOW. Anyone else seeing this? This is for gettig mowing work lined up and general clean ups. This is what we are trying to focus on in the residential market right now. We recently moved here and our house payment over duobled for less house, water bill is 1.5 times what it was for less water used, long story short everything is at least twice as much as the market we left which I thought was bad. I have talked to a few guys that have worked in this industry for along time, including my Dad who is in his 20th year this year. Yes I have grown up in this business and understand every Spring these guys that most likely just don't know any better bidding so cheap that we can't charge what we should. I hate to say it but we have at leat temp. lowered our prices across the board to just get work that has been bid but I hate doing that. I guess I feel we have to as we owe it to our employees to stay busy. I hae bisicall taken all my money out of the last few jobs and bid the labor costs and overhead we have and that is it, :cry:. I have lowered my price more in the last 2 working days than the rest of my life total. Sorry for the rant but I'm about reay to lay down in the hyway,ha.
One of the guys in Johnson County working for dirt has been around for a long time from my understanding but I guess he used to charge in line with the rest of us. No names please as that won't help anyone. I guess it's just tough starting over in a new area with only the folks from last Fall to build on for this year. I talked to a guy today in Olathe that told me he gets anywhere between 10 and 15 fliers/post cards total for the season from lawn guys each season throught the season but this year he grabbed a stack he had sitting on the counter and said this is how many so far,lol. I took a quick look but didn't stare at them and I would guess he had at least 15 already. He really wasn't in an area I would have thought would be top notch but nice anyway. He got my name off from a guy at his work that wife knows mine. Didn't cost me a thing, and good thing as even though we had met each other socially due to other bids he had he ended up saying bottom line is can you do it for the average of the 3 guys that has already given me a price? I felt like I had to if I wanted the wife to fix supper not not beat knots on my head. HELP!!!!!!

[jstonemo]

We work in Douglas and Johnson County and have noticed at least for us folks are taking rpices to a NEW LOW. Anyone else seeing this?

I am surprised (not really) that all of these idiots are lowballing even more. With gas heading towards $4 a gallon, they will be broke within a month. EVERYONE should be raising rates compared to last year or at least 2 years ago.

[racer56]

Dad finally let a contract go that he had been doing for I think 15 years due to every few eyars they would send it out for bid(not formally, but accept a price I should say) they would then come to him and tell him he has to match it or next year they will have to send it out for formal bid. I guess it was a big account but last year it hit 40% less than the very first year he did the bid. My understanding is they did add a small area over the years but mostly it was the same work for 40% less money. That was enough he said and let it go. My understanding is the guy he let it go to didn't finish the year but they didn't even call Dad :rolleyes:. I guess they didn't want to look stupid,too late. I do really enjoy what I do or I think I couldn't get past times like this.
Please don't come on and say quality this or that as we do do good work and can't think of 2 folks in all the years my Dad or myself have worked for that would say anything less. Maybe money is just tight all around this year. I don't fault anyone for making a liing but just think some type of common sense needs to come into play. I think part of the problem is anyone that hasn't robbed a bank in the last week can go down and walk out of the dealer with new everything and not HAVE to pay for most of it for a year. By then yes they are most likely done but the damage of the cheap prices they gave out on the way out are still here.
Had a good friend ask how do you compete when another "truck with a mower in a trailer" starts up when the other one goes out? Good question... Maybe a should sell mowers? Ha, they have to sell them as fast as they get them in about now. I do most of our buying around Christmas so I get one on one service when looking.

[Icemanku]

I'll be mowing this year for the first time full-time with another buddy of mine that owns his own business. He's headed off to college in August and I'll be taking over the business. I'll be mainly mowing south of 135th in Overland Park.

What would you suggest the best way would be for me to pick up lawns out there? We have about 16 right now but I'd like to have close to 60 by the end of the summer. Flyers seem like a huge waste of time and I'm not really sure how to send postcards out.

Any help would be appreciated.

[IN2MOWN]

When are you guys thinking about starting mowing? I was thinking about another more week & then doing a few winter touch-ups. Just curious what you all were planning?



Ive had 13 calls from my customers in the last 2 days wondering when I was going to start.

People laughed at me for starting next week but it's time to mow!

[mowman84]

I dont think I will start till the 24th

[itsallaboutthestripes]

We are doing clean ups but as far as cutting grass no way. I guess we must have done to good of a job in the fall and didn't leave the grass tall enough to cut. I did notice that the henbit is starting to come up.

[Adam3669]

Bought a new 16' trailer today..took it to the garage and its long by about 2 inches :hammerhead:

Anyone know of any storage facilites around Overland Park that have a pretty decent rate?

[carcrz]

I would think whoever you bought it from might be able to cut a few inches off & weld your tailgate hinges back on.

[IN2MOWN]

Change the length of your tounge. Thats better then spending the money every month on a storage unit.

[Adam3669]

Change the length of your tounge. Thats better then spending the money every month on a storage unit.

What am I lookin at spending for somethin like that?

[IN2MOWN]

What am I lookin at spending for somethin like that?


Couple hundred. You need to buy a shorter one and then have it welded on.

[racer56]

Bring it over to Lawrence and I'll shorten it up for around 250-275 labor. Don't take it off the tongue you will regret it. If 2 " is all that's needed maybe just laying the tongue on the garage floor and having the trailer at an angle is enough to get it in? If you bring it over Saturday night we will have you going by early Monday morning. We don't really have any racks for anyone lined up to build this week so not a problem.Let me know if I can do you any good...

[IN2MOWN]

Bring it over to Lawrence and I'll shorten it up for around 250-275 labor. Don't take it off the tongue you will regret it. If 2 " is all that's needed maybe just laying the tongue on the garage floor and having the trailer at an angle is enough to get it in? If you bring it over Saturday night we will have you going by early Monday morning. We don't really have any racks for anyone lined up to build this week so not a problem.Let me know if I can do you any good...




What is wrong with taking off the tounge?

[E & J Pro Turf]

Anybody have a good reference or agent here in K.C.?


Name of company or number would be great.

Thanks.

[Adam3669]

Bring it over to Lawrence and I'll shorten it up for around 250-275 labor. Don't take it off the tongue you will regret it. If 2 " is all that's needed maybe just laying the tongue on the garage floor and having the trailer at an angle is enough to get it in? If you bring it over Saturday night we will have you going by early Monday morning. We don't really have any racks for anyone lined up to build this week so not a problem.Let me know if I can do you any good...

Thanks man I appreciate the offer. Its actually up in lawerence right now at the apartment complex, we worked out something with the owners and they are going to let us keep it right outside the garage for now until we find something else. Bought a $60 lock for it so I don't think we will have any trouble with it getting stolen. And its in a gated complex. We are trying to steer clear of modifying it at all, hoping to just find a cheap place a little bigger.

[racer56]

I think we met down in Iola picking up the standers? I remember the guy that bought a 36 I think it was name was Adam(same as my brother). Anyway if things change and you need some help let me know. We can turn it around fast for someone in the business. I would try hard to keep from cutting on it but if we need to you won't be able to tell we did anything after some touch up paint. Hope things go well this year for you...

[racer56]

What is wrong with taking off the tounge?

Well the biggest problem with it is most trailers with a rear gate are already very heavy taking some off will make it pull better yet in most cases. Also when you bring the tongue in you also make it turn in faster and harder to behind you when backing up. If you ever back up a trailer with too short of a tongue you will know what I'm saying. Depending on how the tongue is(wrap or dead head) it is alot less work,lol. So I take the easy road :laugh:. What I want to know is how can these trailer builders make any money with a 6x12 with gate and assist running 950-1150 with new wheels and tires and diamond fenders? Price of steel is so high right now and we build alot of stuff out of steel but my cost I would have a tough time buying the stock welding it together for 10/per hour even and forget hauling it across the country and giving the dealer some money on the sale as well.:hammerhead::hammerhead:

[Icemanku]

What the best way to get new customers in KC?

[racer56]

I went back to knocking on the door shanking hands and just asking for 2 minutes of their time and had more luck in 3 hours than 700.00 in post cards. I think (know) this is the last time for these. I had a guy show me one today and said if the guy can afford to send these things out he is going to be too expensive. Little did that guy know but the company he was indicating works almost for free. I think the bottom line is doing what is most comfortable for you is most likely the best way. I think getting right back with folks goes along ways as new folks don't have anything buildt up with you yet and if you don't answer or call back soon after they leave a message they will move on to the guy next on the stack (big stack most likely) he has of folks that have sent him something this year.

[Icemanku]

Here are my ideas so tell me what you guys think:

Referral Letters- send a referral letter to all of our current, new and former customers. Refer a customer for a seasonal contract and get 30% off your next bill or something like that. I think this letter should go out every month to help remind them of the referral we’re offering.

Flyers: We’ll flyer the same area every 3-4 weeks. These flyers should be full color on a ¼ of an 8 ½ x 11 sheet of card stock. We’ll make specific fliers that say “We’re mowing on your street/neighborhood so call us for a free estimate!” or something like that.

KC Star: $42 gets us in the paper for 7 days, Up to 3 lines of description, Ad appears in: The Kansas City Star, Online for 7 days, Up to 500 characters of description, Includes 1 photo, Ad appears on: KansasCity.com

Craigslist: It’s free advertising and can get us customers as long as we update it every week.

I say we try that out for a couple of weeks to see how that works.

Other options we have are:

Mailers: These would be like our flyers but mailed out to a specific address. I’ve been told that you get a 5-10% return on mailers. These are pretty expensive, but something that would be worth a try to a small area in and around the 66221 zip code.

Plastic Signs: These could work but could also be risky. I’m thinking we could but 10-15 up in busy intersections of some nice neighborhood to see what kind of response we get.

[IN2MOWN]

Well the biggest problem with it is most trailers with a rear gate are already very heavy taking some off will make it pull better yet in most cases. Also when you bring the tongue in you also make it turn in faster and harder to behind you when backing up. If you ever back up a trailer with too short of a tongue you will know what I'm saying. Depending on how the tongue is(wrap or dead head) it is alot less work,lol. So I take the easy road :laugh:. What I want to know is how can these trailer builders make any money with a 6x12 with gate and assist running 950-1150 with new wheels and tires and diamond fenders? Price of steel is so high right now and we build alot of stuff out of steel but my cost I would have a tough time buying the stock welding it together for 10/per hour even and forget hauling it across the country and giving the dealer some money on the sale as well.:hammerhead::hammerhead:



I guess I dont really think about stuff like that...thanks for the info.

[Icemanku]

I went back to knocking on the door shanking hands and just asking for 2 minutes of their time and had more luck in 3 hours than 700.00 in post cards. I think (know) this is the last time for these. I had a guy show me one today and said if the guy can afford to send these things out he is going to be too expensive. Little did that guy know but the company he was indicating works almost for free. I think the bottom line is doing what is most comfortable for you is most likely the best way. I think getting right back with folks goes along ways as new folks don't have anything buildt up with you yet and if you don't answer or call back soon after they leave a message they will move on to the guy next on the stack (big stack most likely) he has of folks that have sent him something this year.
I always thought knocking on doors was a no-no?

[Adam3669]

I always thought knocking on doors was a no-no?

Iv actually got a buddy that does this, and he's had great success (no borat)

[Icemanku]

Iv actually got a buddy that does this, and he's had great success (no borat)

I don't know if I'd feel comfortable doing that. I'm hoping craigslist, a couple thousand fliers referrals and maybe an ad in the Star can get me from 16 accounts to 40-50 in a couple of weeks.

I need at least 40 lawns by the middle of April to make this thing work.

[Icemanku]

So my brother throws me under the bus at his fire station the other day. I'm also on another forum, phog.net, and I put up a thread saying I'm starting my own lawn business. He's a local fire fighter and a couple of guys in his department do lawns. He told them that I was buying into an existing business from an old neighbor of mine. I'm pretty sure that's all he told them.

Well the looked at him and laughed saying "Tell him GOOD LUCK". That really pissed me off. I know there's a lot of money to me made, especially where I'll be at which is south of 143rd and Antioch. Do you guys think it's a bad move for me to be getting into the business now? They told my brother 10 years ago was the time to get in. Didn't know what you guys thought?

[Adam3669]

So my brother throws me under the bus at his fire station the other day. I'm also on another forum, phog.net, and I put up a thread saying I'm starting my own lawn business. He's a local fire fighter and a couple of guys in his department do lawns. He told them that I was buying into an existing business from an old neighbor of mine. I'm pretty sure that's all he told them.

Well the looked at him and laughed saying "Tell him GOOD LUCK". That really pissed me off. I know there's a lot of money to me made, especially where I'll be at which is south of 143rd and Antioch. Do you guys think it's a bad move for me to be getting into the business now? They told my brother 10 years ago was the time to get in. Didn't know what you guys thought?

Lawn care will always be needed. I think anytime to get into the business is great. And BTW, those houses out there are extremely nice...thats going to be a great place to do work if you can get your foot in the door.

[A Lawn Care Co LLC]

Adam3669, that looks like a banner on the back of that trailer for the sign. How is that thing holding up for you. I was debating on a banner to save money, but i cant see them lasting long when the wind gets a hold of them.

[Adam3669]

Adam3669, that looks like a banner on the back of that trailer for the sign. How is that thing holding up for you. I was debating on a banner to save money, but i cant see them lasting long when the wind gets a hold of them.

I had to attach a piece of aluminum to the other side of the gate to keep the wind from grabbing it. Without the aluminum, it tore off pretty quickly (that was using heavy wire ties in each corner)

[racer56]

We did lawn care in Olathe and OP from 98-2000 and I kept a few contacts when we left as I couldn't get anyone to buy anything but some equipment from me back then. Getting customers was EASY then. Well last night I talked to a very nice lady that I did her lawn for 32.50 before we went down south. She told me she would love to hae us back but first of all her guy from last year is already promised the work for this year and he just raised her up to be at 20.00 per cut for this year. Crazy!!! I did it but then for 32.50 and he just has her at 20 now. Think of how much the cost of gas, help, machines and insurance has gone up since then. She said that several of her neighbors have went to a cheap guy as well. Said everyone at her work(Sprint HQ) is saying how they are going to do more things themselves this year and save the money. Yes still work around but at less money than in the late 90's for sure. THe guys at the fire station are spot on. I will say this I will hire everyone that is starting this year in KC for twice what the profit they pull this year for next season unless something makes a BIG turn around. Anyone that wants to take me up on the deal just needs to big me the 08 return after getting it done next year and bring work boots :hammerhead:. I have a guy that has stopped by 3 times to see about cleanig up my own yard for me. Told me for 18.00 he will clean up the lawn for spring if I will have him mow for 18 this year when it needs it.:dizzy: Makes me ill!

[Icemanku]

We did lawn care in Olathe and OP from 98-2000 and I kept a few contacts when we left as I couldn't get anyone to buy anything but some equipment from me back then. Getting customers was EASY then. Well last night I talked to a very nice lady that I did her lawn for 32.50 before we went down south. She told me she would love to hae us back but first of all her guy from last year is already promised the work for this year and he just raised her up to be at 20.00 per cut for this year. Crazy!!! I did it but then for 32.50 and he just has her at 20 now. Think of how much the cost of gas, help, machines and insurance has gone up since then. She said that several of her neighbors have went to a cheap guy as well. Said everyone at her work(Sprint HQ) is saying how they are going to do more things themselves this year and save the money. Yes still work around but at less money than in the late 90's for sure. THe guys at the fire station are spot on. I will say this I will hire everyone that is starting this year in KC for twice what the profit they pull this year for next season unless something makes a BIG turn around. Anyone that wants to take me up on the deal just needs to big me the 08 return after getting it done next year and bring work boots :hammerhead:. I have a guy that has stopped by 3 times to see about cleanig up my own yard for me. Told me for 18.00 he will clean up the lawn for spring if I will have him mow for 18 this year when it needs it.:dizzy: Makes me ill!

Anyone else experiencing this?

[robertsturf]

All the time. Just what our industry needs more "hobby-cutters". All it does is drive down the prices to pre-1990 prices. Unbelievable!!!

[IN2MOWN]

Anyone else experiencing this?



Every day of my life.

It sucks but business is business and this one we are in is very cutthroat.

[Icemanku]

Every day of my life.

It sucks but business is business and this one we are in is very cutthroat.

Yeah, but then again non of you would be in it if you weren't making a profit. Do you think I should be able to get lawns out south for $30 or over?

[mowman84]

I would say at least $30 a cut if not $35 or $40 you cant make much money cutting for less than $30. Most bigger companies have a $40 minimum just to show up.

[IN2MOWN]

Yeah, but then again non of you would be in it if you weren't making a profit. Do you think I should be able to get lawns out south for $30 or over?



Easily, hell, I have a $35.00 minimum out there and not many people complain about that. The ones that do can find someone else to do it.

[carcrz]

if you can get your foot in the door.
That's the trick right there. Once you do though, push customer referrals!

[Travel'n Trees]

Hey Guys a couple of things, I have heard three of the major landscaping companies in town have no workers because they aren't letting as many back in the country right now I have heard that these three are down 280 employees, and gone through over 100 temps already, they can't stay to cheap if they keep at these rates. So don't get down and the cheap will go broke. Also have some blue and norway spruce 8 foot and taller up to 18 feet tall and some 6' Red Maples. Remember to see if we can help you on dirt, rock, and mulch prices.

[Icemanku]

Easily, hell, I have a $35.00 minimum out there and not many people complain about that. The ones that do can find someone else to do it.
That's good to hear. There's a lot of Debbie Downers out there, but the work that I do should speak for itself.

I just hope that I can pick up 20+ lawns by the end of April out south.:confused:

[mksavage]

I'm in Greenwood....S & S Lawn Turf Care L.L.C.

s-slawnandturf@earthlink.net

[racer56]

Iceman,
Don't take me the wrong way. If you just want to mow you can find all the work you want for 30-40 for the average lawn. I really hate to mow and focus on the high end work for the most part and that is what is really getting low balled this year it seems. We have around 800 in extended hedge trimmers and regular hedge trimmers that make us a decent amount of money compared to 18000.00 in mowing equipment to make less than 25% of what we make doing trimming.
We are thinking of subbing the mowing out for a fee if anyone is interested. Just seems alot of guys want to mow and we hate it,lol.

[E & J Pro Turf]

Wow! :hammerhead:

[E & J Pro Turf]

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/grd/605667725.html


lol:hammerhead:

[IN2MOWN]

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/grd/605667725.html


lol:hammerhead:




If he gets the work that $1000.00 per week...

[IN2MOWN]

Iceman,
Don't take me the wrong way. If you just want to mow you can find all the work you want for 30-40 for the average lawn. I really hate to mow and focus on the high end work for the most part and that is what is really getting low balled this year it seems. We have around 800 in extended hedge trimmers and regular hedge trimmers that make us a decent amount of money compared to 18000.00 in mowing equipment to make less than 25% of what we make doing trimming.
We are thinking of subbing the mowing out for a fee if anyone is interested. Just seems alot of guys want to mow and we hate it,lol.

I love mowing. I cant imagine doing anything else. If you have anything in the Shawnee or Lenexa area let me know.

[racer56]

Do you do clean ups as well in Olathe/OP? Maybe we should just work something out? PM your number.

[IN2MOWN]

Do you do clean ups as well in Olathe/OP? Maybe we should just work something out? PM your number.

I only have one job in Olathe that I do on a weekly basis. I work in Overland Park quite a bit but I just moved to western Shawnee so in an effort to save on gas Im doing most of advertising in the new areas out here. But I will go out there.

I am done with cleanups though. Next week are first cuts and then its straight mowing. I wont have time for cleanups.

Ill PM you my number if you are interested. Keep it handy.

[Icemanku]

Racer I'm looking for anything around OP so IM if you get the chance. Anyone wanting to drop some accounts I'm always looking too.

I can't wait to get started this season!!!!

[racer56]

We are going to sell our two brand new standers(Wright) and wanted to let everyone here first for a local sale.
36" 15 hp it is new old stock and I think has .2 or so hours on it. 3750.00
That is over 1000.00 less than the same one through Wright direct price plan.

52" 23hp New old stock as well has .3 or so hours on it 4850.00. That is over 2000 less than Wright direct program.

I got a deal on these the week of Christmas even though buying them was at a very tough time of the year. We are going back to 21" mowers and subbing anything to is too big. If anyone wants these say so fast as Ebay most likely by next weekend if no interest.
I also have a new grass gobbler (one only) that goes with the last one.

[Adam3669]

We are going to sell our two brand new standers(Wright) and wanted to let everyone here first for a local sale.
36" 15 hp it is new old stock and I think has .2 or so hours on it. 3750.00
That is over 1000.00 less than the same one through Wright direct price plan.

52" 23hp New old stock as well has .3 or so hours on it 4850.00. That is over 2000 less than Wright direct program.

I got a deal on these the week of Christmas even though buying them was at a very tough time of the year. We are going back to 21" mowers and subbing anything to is too big. If anyone wants these say so fast as Ebay most likely by next weekend if no interest.
I also have a new grass gobbler (one only) that goes with the last one.


I have a buddy that has been looking for a 36", I'll give him the heads up.

[Travel'n Trees]

$199 a day? What a joke. But the guy who does my duplexs is 15 a duplex by hand and weed eats 4 years now that is why I am selling my scag.

[rl53103]

Im Ray Im in grain Valley starting a lawn service this year . just wanted to say hi !!!

[rl53103]

hey im ray im in grain valley area just wanted to say hi

[Tom5301]

Hey Racer did you finance them at all like through sheffield's I am interested in the 52 give me a call 913-207-3661 Tom

[Travel'n Trees]

Wanting to sell the scag 48 108 hours $4300 obo 816 739-8733

[racer56]

Cash money at Christmas, wife wanted to kill me.

[Hip2u77]

Would anyone around the KC area have an older Redmax trimmer they would part with? (Straight shaft) I'm looking for one back when they had the fat handle with 3 sides. (Half a hexagon type)

I'm not in the business anymore, but out of all the trimmers we had those were the ones I always loved best. Plus, I don't trust buying another new Redmax product. I bought a new HBZ2601 blower and the damn thing is so cold blooded that I'm done blowing my driveway before it warms up enough to even run full speed. While I haven't done a whole lot of reading in a while, I do remember other people had the same problem. (I'd assume it has something to do with the Strato-Charged engine?) So, I figure a good old half worn-out one will be fine for my 15 minutes of non-commercial use each week.

[TC MOWING]

Another newbie here. I am from the Kingsville area and I'm waiting for a couple of Quiktraks to come in so I'll have something to mow with this upcoming season. So far I haven't had anything concrete in terms of accounts but keep making sales calls from Warrensburg to Lee's Summit. Not too much opportunity in my immediate area. I guess I'll wait til next year to quit my full time gig.

[mowman84]

I dont know about everone else but im ready to get into weekly mows. Im thinking it might be two more weeks before that. Im going out the end of this week to scalp and bag some of the lawns. Anyone else doing going out?

[IN2MOWN]

I dont know about everone else but im ready to get into weekly mows. Im thinking it might be two more weeks before that. Im going out the end of this week to scalp and bag some of the lawns. Anyone else doing going out?


Im doing all my first mows this week but I heard we are supposed to get some snow by Saturday and Sunday...

[Icemanku]

How much is a good hourly rate for spring clean up plus hail away fees?

[rl53103]

Hey TC MOWING Whats up Im ray from Grain Valley , Good Luck with your Mowing this year.

[rl53103]

Id say 35-40 a load to dump and about 25 - 40 hour for the clean up

[IN2MOWN]

Id say 35-40 a load to dump and about 25 - 40 hour for the clean up

$25-40 an hour?

After you get done paying taxes and expenses on that you are going to wind up with about $4.00 - 10 in your pocket.


What you need is a minimum just to show up on cleanups.

Mine is $100.00 and then $60.00 per hour after that.

[Icemanku]

$25-40 an hour?

After you get done paying taxes and expenses on that you are going to wind up with about $4.00 - 10 in your pocket.


What you need is a minimum just to show up on cleanups.

Mine is $100.00 and then $60.00 per hour after that.

So if takes me 40 minutes to clean up a women's back yard full of leafs you want me to charge $140 dollars? Are you serious!?

[IN2MOWN]

So if takes me 40 minutes to clean up a women's back yard full of leafs you want me to charge $140 dollars? Are you serious!?



No, thats not what I said. I may of been unclear.


I charge $100 just to show up. After the first hour it is then $60.00 per hour after that.

Most yards I can get done between 1 and 1.5 hours.

So people are paying between $100 and $160 to have their yards cleaned up.

In your case if it was 40 minutes that would be billed out at $100.00 for a cleanup.

[Adam3669]

No, thats not what I said. I may of been unclear.


I charge $100 just to show up. After the first hour it is then $60.00 per hour after that.

Most yards I can get done between 1 and 1.5 hours.

So people are paying between $100 and $160 to have their yards cleaned up.

In your case if it was 40 minutes that would be billed out at $100.00 for a cleanup.

Wow, you must be making a killing on those cleanups.

I charge straight $35/hr. Never usually takes more than an hour by myself.

[Icemanku]

No, thats not what I said. I may of been unclear.


I charge $100 just to show up. After the first hour it is then $60.00 per hour after that.

Most yards I can get done between 1 and 1.5 hours.

So people are paying between $100 and $160 to have their yards cleaned up.

In your case if it was 40 minutes that would be billed out at $100.00 for a cleanup.

How do you get people at those prices? I' charging someone $60 for a job a little over a half hour.

[IN2MOWN]

How do you get people at those prices? I' charging someone $60 for a job a little over a half hour.


I dont know if theres a secret so to speak.

The customers I have currently have no problem at all paying for it.

There have been people who call for a one time job have expressed displeasure at the price I quote but as far as Im concerned I do good work and that costs money.

If they dont want to pay then they call someone else.

Think about this also.

How long will take the average person with a rake, an electric blower, and some trash bags to do a complete cleanup on their house, beds and all?

They would spend an entire weekend day doing it. Whereas I can do it an hour and they drop $100.00

How much is their weekend worth to them?

[IN2MOWN]

Wow, you must be making a killing on those cleanups.

I charge straight $35/hr. Never usually takes more than an hour by myself.



My goal when November, December and January rolls around is to make just as much in a month off cleanups as I do for 4 weeks of lawn mowing per customer.

My income is pretty steady all year round till I get to Feb and March. Things tend to dry up a little because the cleanups are done and mowing has not started yet.

I've been doing this for almost 14 years. There are plenty of people out there that are willing to pay good money. You just have to find them.

Not all potential customers are lowballing jerks. :laugh:

[Icemanku]

I dont know if theres a secret so to speak.

The customers I have currently have no problem at all paying for it.

There have been people who call for a one time job have expressed displeasure at the price I quote but as far as Im concerned I do good work and that costs money.

If they dont want to pay then they call someone else.

Think about this also.

How long will take the average person with a rake, an electric blower, and some trash bags to do a complete cleanup on their house, beds and all?

They would spend an entire weekend day doing it. Whereas I can do it an hour and they drop $100.00

How much is their weekend worth to them?

How many people are helping you on these clean ups? I don't think my bid of $60 bucks for a half an hour of work is low balling, but I'd like to get the most out of it without being ridiculous.

[IN2MOWN]

How many people are helping you on these clean ups? I don't think my bid of $60 bucks for a half an hour of work is low balling, but I'd like to get the most out of it without being ridiculous.



I work by myself.

I dont think you are lowballing at all at $60.00 for a 1/2 hour of work.

[Icemanku]

I work by myself.

I dont think you are lowballing at all at $60.00 for a 1/2 hour of work.

You would have charged a hundred though. If came at this lady with a $100 she'd tell me no thanks. I don't have the luxury of waiting for the phone to ring.

[IN2MOWN]

You would have charged a hundred though. If came at this lady with a $100 she'd tell me no thanks. I don't have the luxury of waiting for the phone to ring.



Yes I would of.

You need to understand though that our situations are different. I know I have to charge that much because right off the bat every month I have close to $4000.00 worth of personal bills that are due.

When I get a call from a potential customer I can tell right off the bat if they are willing to spend money.

I like those customers.

Dont get me wrong though. I have customers on fixed incomes for one reason or another that I cut some slack with. I have a customer who lives in duplex that I only take care of one side. I dont charge him that much. Obviously there are exceptions and its a judgment call on my part.

[racer56]

IN2MOWN is right on the money. Get a good price or stay home so the rest of us that try to do this EVERY year for a living ALL year can charge what we need to make a living. 60 for a half hour is great, that's 120/hour the way I see it. Great money for this line of work. If you are staying busy at that price you are doing what you should, good for you. We've knid of went back to the landscape side of things to get back to where we need to be. Somedays I have thought if I worked with our printing business this hard we would be loaded. It does alot better with very little work,ha.
Back out for more bids. Phone must have rang 25 times this weekend, trouble is they are price shoppers...

[IN2MOWN]

Racer, did you say you do welding?

[robertsturf]

$25 per hour? Sounds like another "hobby" cutter to me!! You have to know your costs. $60-100 per hr sounds right to me.

[Icemanku]

$25 per hour? Sounds like another "hobby" cutter to me!! You have to know your costs. $60-100 per hr sounds right to me.

I'm getting the feeling that you guys are starting to view me as a undercutter WHICH I AM NOT! I'm here to make money and do quality work at a high, but fair price.

I think this woman's back yard will take me all of 30 minutes if not 40 minutes. If I'm there 30 minutes at $120 dollars and hour and that's pretty good work for me.

Racer how'd you get your phone to ring 25 times?

[robertsturf]

You have to know what your minimum cost's are to drop your ramp every time you go out and work. That's how you set your costs.

[Icemanku]

You have to know what your minimum cost's are to drop your ramp every time you go out and work. That's how you set your costs.

I basically stick with $60 dollars an hour and that's what I quoted. I said a $20 dumping fee to make it sound better.

[mowman84]

$60 an hour sounds steep to me. I can understand $100 minimum to show up and $30-$40 per hour but $60 sounds high. Great if you can get it though.

[carcrz]

That's what I'm at also. I rarely ever have a clean-up for less than $100. I have had them, but usually when the leaves are almost all gone.

[racer56]

Racer, did you say you do welding?

Yes what do you need done?

[racer56]

I'm getting the feeling that you guys are starting to view me as a undercutter WHICH I AM NOT! I'm here to make money and do quality work at a high, but fair price.

I think this woman's back yard will take me all of 30 minutes if not 40 minutes. If I'm there 30 minutes at $120 dollars and hour and that's pretty good work for me.

Racer how'd you get your phone to ring 25 times?

To make the phone ring we did direct mailer, signs, flyer drops. Helps to own a small printing company,lol. Getting the phone to ring is EASY getting the jobs at what we want to work for is the hard part,lol. I'll give you a tip here that most might not believe but it's true. The flyer needs to be black and white only. We have tracked the hit rate and the hit rate is ALWAYS higher with black and white. Normally 3-4 times higher. They say color sells and it does but not in this business. Not to mention b&w cost is 21 times less than color. I don't really claim to know why this is the case but it is.
Please don't misunderstand I'm not trying to market our printing service here as we only do large run jobs. I'm not really involved with the print biz just a company we own. Find a guy that will give you a good price and get them printed then I'll tell you how to get them out the fastest.

[THRIFTY]

To make the phone ring we did direct mailer, signs, flyer drops. Helps to own a small printing company,lol. Getting the phone to ring is EASY getting the jobs at what we want to work for is the hard part,lol. I'll give you a tip here that most might not believe but it's true. The flyer needs to be black and white only. We have tracked the hit rate and the hit rate is ALWAYS higher with black and white. Normally 3-4 times higher. They say color sells and it does but not in this business. Not to mention b&w cost is 21 times less than color. I don't really claim to know why this is the case but it is.
Please don't misunderstand I'm not trying to market our printing service here as we only do large run jobs. I'm not really involved with the print biz just a company we own. Find a guy that will give you a good price and get them printed then I'll tell you how to get them out the fastest.

Whats the fastest way to get them out...

[racer56]

Wilson
Are you still interested in our stander for sale? Fastest way is sandwhich bag with flyer and card in it then toss a rock or 2 in with it to weight it down. Drive through the neighborhood you want to do some work in Saturday late very late or early Sunday morning and toss them right by the Sunday paper. Works like a charm. You can send me a check for all the time I just saved you. By the way our hit rate with this method is over 3 times (I can get exact numbers) above what rubber banding them to the door is.

[IN2MOWN]

Yes what do you need done?

Im working on getting a trailer back in shape and I need some mesh installed on a gate and then horizontal supports for the mesh. Just a regular sized gate...

[racer56]

Bring it over. Spread metal is a pain in the ... but not a problem. If you can bring it over today with the weather that would be fine. Ki just had our last guy for the lawn business quit this morning. I'm just about to the end on my rope. I have a total shoulder replacement so some of this work about kiils me when I have to do it myself. We just moved my brother over to sales for our print shop, guess he willbe manning a shovel here very soon :laugh:.

[racer56]

Bring it over. Spread metal is a pain in the ... but not a problem. If you can bring it over today with the weather that would be fine. We just had our last guy for the lawn business quit this morning. I don't understand we pay VERY well, offer a bonus plan, if they need to get something done during the day we make sure they get it done, what do they want???? I'm just about to the end on my rope. I have a total shoulder replacement so some of this work about kiils me when I have to do it myself. We just moved my brother over to sales for our print shop, guess he will be maning a shovel here very soon :laugh:.

[IN2MOWN]

Bring it over. Spread metal is a pain in the ... but not a problem. If you can bring it over today with the weather that would be fine. We just had our last guy for the lawn business quit this morning. I don't understand we pay VERY well, offer a bonus plan, if they need to get something done during the day we make sure they get it done, what do they want???? I'm just about to the end on my rope. I have a total shoulder replacement so some of this work about kiils me when I have to do it myself. We just moved my brother over to sales for our print shop, guess he will be maning a shovel here very soon :laugh:.

It will probably be a couple weeks, I have some crap in it from a room Im remodeling in my house. I also need the tounge replaced on another trailer.


When I get it dumped Ill let you know.

Thanks.

[Icemanku]

Wilson
Are you still interested in our stander for sale? Fastest way is sandwhich bag with flyer and card in it then toss a rock or 2 in with it to weight it down. Drive through the neighborhood you want to do some work in Saturday late very late or early Sunday morning and toss them right by the Sunday paper. Works like a charm. You can send me a check for all the time I just saved you. By the way our hit rate with this method is over 3 times (I can get exact numbers) above what rubber banding them to the door is.
when you say sandwich bags you mean brown bags or zip locks? Adding the bag to the flyer must increase the cost by a ton.

[IN2MOWN]

when you say sandwich bags you mean brown bags or zip locks? Adding the bag to the flyer must increase the cost by a ton.


Its a plastic bag and be very careful when you do this.

People have been reporting it to the police and the state as littering. Kansas is in the process of trying to outlaw it.

[Icemanku]

Its a plastic bag and be very careful when you do this.

People have been reporting it to the police and the state as littering. Kansas is in the process of trying to outlaw it.

It would be great to spend all that time doing that & being slapped with a $500 sitation.

[KCLandscape]

I've seen Ryan do it with bird seed.

[IN2MOWN]

I've seen Ryan do it with bird seed.




Interesting. I was just talking about it with Larry the other day and he was really upset about the people who advertise like that. He said throwing plastic bags on peoples driveways was tantamount to littering and he was staring some grassroots campaign to outlaw it.

[itsallaboutthestripes]

Just keep the wrapper from your cheeseburger that you ate at lunch and throw that in someones yard or drive. I think you will get the same results as the plastic bag and rock. It pissies me off when I find those bags in the summer by running them over with the mower. Who is responsible if someone hits one with a mower and throws a rock threw a window? Is it the person mowing or the person driving down the street throwing it out the window of a moving car?

[KCLandscape]

Birdseed is better than rocks I guess. I found one in one of my customers yards that had been pecked open!

[IN2MOWN]

Just keep the wrapper from your cheeseburger that you ate at lunch and throw that in someones yard or drive. I think you will get the same results as the plastic bag and rock. It pissies me off when I find those bags in the summer by running them over with the mower. Who is responsible if someone hits one with a mower and throws a rock threw a window? Is it the person mowing or the person driving down the street throwing it out the window of a moving car?



I totally agree with that.

[itsallaboutthestripes]

Where is the cheapest place to buy the coca brown mulch? I have been paying 31.00 a yard at Randys Lakeview Nursery. Anyone know where it is cheaper I need another 40 or so yards.

[IN2MOWN]

Where is the cheapest place to buy the coca brown mulch? I have been paying 31.00 a yard at Randys Lakeview Nursery. Anyone know where it is cheaper I need another 40 or so yards.


The cheapest I have found is Johnson County building materials down in Merriam KS.

Last year he was selling for just under $30.00 per yard. About $15.00 less then Suburban.

[itsallaboutthestripes]

Thanks but I was looking for something closer to Lee's Summit The drive to Merriam would not be worth it for me.

[racer56]

Guess they are going to have to change how the paper gets to you then. We toss them right out by the paper. Larry is upset about another company well don't get me or Dad started on who is legal...

[racer56]

Does Larry pick up the little signs the day after the application dries? Looks like litter to me as well.

[IN2MOWN]

Guess they are going to have to change how the paper gets to you then. We toss them right out by the paper. Larry is upset about another company well don't get me or Dad started on who is legal...




I dont understand...?

[Adam3669]

I dont understand...?

Yeah what?

[itsallaboutthestripes]

Seems to me that when they throw a paper out the window at someones house they are probably paying for it and will pick it up. There is a big difference between a plastic bag with a rock and a piece of paper that you more than likely don't want and the Newspaper that you pay to have delivered.

[racer56]

I get a paper tossed in the grass I think a few days a week. I don't pay for it or really want it and just toss it. I don't have a fit.
Dad said while he is out driving around he just found a Ryan sign(illegal and against city code) laying on the ground. If you hit our bags then you are an idiot, plain and simple. They are next to the paper on the driveway. You mow the driveways? Look I was just trying to help the few that have asked about it and it seems some here have nothing else to do but stir the pot or something. If you worry about your own business as much as others you might have something sunshine....

[IN2MOWN]

I get a paper tossed in the grass I think a few days a week. I don't pay for it or really want it and just toss it. I don't have a fit.
Dad said while he is out driving around he just found a Ryan sign(illegal and against city code) laying on the ground. If you hit our bags then you are an idiot, plain and simple. They are next to the paper on the driveway. You mow the driveways? Look I was just trying to help the few that have asked about it and it seems some here have nothing else to do but stir the pot or something. If you worry about your own business as much as others you might have something sunshine....




Sorry I offended you. I was not trying to.

[KCLandscape]

This is funny.....
Today at 4 PM I am talking with a lady in Brookside about the seeding I will be doing. She got my name fron Ryan. I tell her that I get a few jobs from them and they are a really good marketer. She goes on to tell me how they throw " plastic bags with birdseed". She LOVES the idea.

IN2 - I'm gonna call Larry and get his real opinion. I have a feeling you are blowing#$@$@$%#

[IN2MOWN]

This is funny.....
Today at 4 PM I am talking with a lady in Brookside about the seeding I will be doing. She got my name fron Ryan. I tell her that I get a few jobs from them and they are a really good marketer. She goes on to tell me how they throw " plastic bags with birdseed". She LOVES the idea.

IN2 - I'm gonna call Larry and get his real opinion. I have a feeling you are blowing#$@$@$%#



Be my guest.

You can feel whatever you want but most companies around here agree with the fact that its tantamount to littering.

For some reason you have chosen to follow me around and insult me. Not to sure why.

My suggestion is to just get over yourself.

[KCLandscape]

Following you around? NO...
You always seem to "know it all", and when you don't you get kind of rough.
Don't worry, I am OK. I have seen your work and it is good too.
But, I will bet you 10.00 or lunch at Jack Stack (whichever is greater???)
that Ryan is passing out bags filled with bird seed. I WILL PROVE IT!

[racer56]

I'm calling Larry in the morning as well to tell him this pot is calling the tea kettle black,lol. I've know him since around 98 or so. Same name in the same industry with the same truck is hard not to know each other. Well we do have any red trucks anymore anyway. I think everything is just getting tight and maybe we all need to mellow. Love your brother and peace type of thing*trucewhiteflag*. I really enjoy talking with folks in business for themselves regaurdless of what industry. I would say most of our folks are his former customers so really I'm his biggest fan as he feeds alot of work my way indirectly.

[IN2MOWN]

Following you around? NO...
You always seem to "know it all", and when you don't you get kind of rough.
Don't worry, I am OK. I have seen your work and it is good too.
But, I will bet you 10.00 or lunch at Jack Stack (whichever is greater???)
that Ryan is passing out bags filled with bird seed. I WILL PROVE IT!



Thats the second time you have said that. I really dont know what you are talking about though.

Im sorry if Im a little too abrasive for you. Ive been doing this for a long time and I have my opinions on the way things should go. If you want to disagree with me fine but dont expect me to change.

All I can tell you is what I have heard.

Personally I dont care. If people want to dump ziplocks filled with stuff on driveways go ahead. I cant count the number of times I have talked to my customers or potential customers and they complain about it. It's not just for me.

If "knowing it all" means answering questions from people and sticking to the way I do things then yes, I guess I know it all.

The only piece of advice I can give is if you dont like what I say or you dont like me the use the ignore feature.

[KCLandscape]

No lack of love and peace...
I just get sick of people talkin #$@%@#!$#
(Is that a word or phrase ??)
Packerbacker/IN2 likes to talk about #$@#@%#@
(I think that is a word).
I would like a more topic oriented conversation.
KC weather, soil conditions, areas to target, ect

No reason to be so all-knowing IN2

[IN2MOWN]

No lack of love and peace...
I just get sick of people talkin #$@%@#!$#
(Is that a word or phrase ??)
Packerbacker/IN2 likes to talk about #$@#@%#@
(I think that is a word).
I would like a more topic oriented conversation.
KC weather, soil conditions, areas to target, ect

No reason to be so all-knowing IN2



LOL, ok...

[racer56]

We are thinking of investing in some girls college funds for a big party during Kansas Speedway. How does that sound? Just got our tickets for the race! I hate the fact it is close to the Tiny Lund race and the Supernationals in Boone. That is a bad stretch for us with money flying out of my pocket like it has wings.
We still have a new 36" stander left that needs a good home. We would consider a really good mpg car as partial or otherwise trade. I would like to get another bug to run around in. I really liked that rig and with gas price not going down anytime soon I need something better on gas. We are going to start doing b2b print sales and the thought of the gas bill has me sick already.

[IN2MOWN]

Looks like the weather will be good tomorrow. Soil will be moist after this rain. Im going to try and hit western shawnee and western lenexa with some advertising.

[KCLandscape]

At least you admit it....HA HA

[KCLandscape]

At least you admit it....HA HA

[IN2MOWN]

At least I can

[IN2MOWN]

At least I can.

[paolaken]

Where is the cheapest place to buy the coca brown mulch? I have been paying 31.00 a yard at Randys Lakeview Nursery. Anyone know where it is cheaper I need another 40 or so yards.

$16.50 a yard here in paola. coca brown, black or red.

[Travel'n Trees]

here is the easy way on price to figure out mulch prices some use a 1/3 yrd bucket and give you 2 scoops and that is a yard. Some people send you a semi and tell you it is a 100 to 110 yards, and some guys sell the trailer as 70 yrds, becareful on quanities, new wood and old wood, dust dying, drip dying, injected dyed.

[IN2MOWN]

Are any of guys registered with the DOT?

If so can explain the requirements for that?

[Tom5301]

Iam any vehicle over GVW over 12000 pounds so pretty much a one ton you hafto have dot numbers.

[IN2MOWN]

I got pulled over today and got jacked for almost $800.00

I was driving my 3/4 Ford and had a single axle trailer that is about 15 feet in total length. He said it needed to have a DOT # and he proceeded to nail my ass to the wall.

Almost 15 years of this and I have never heard this.

I had to have my trailer towed back to my house because of some infractions and the tow truck driver told me to fight it.

I called DOT and I explained what happened and the lady from DOT told me to fight it. She said to send her all my info and she would help me out.

[Adam3669]

I got pulled over today and got jacked for almost $800.00

I was driving my 3/4 Ford and had a single axle trailer that is about 15 feet in total length. He said it needed to have a DOT # and he proceeded to nail my ass to the wall.

Almost 15 years of this and I have never heard this.

I had to have my trailer towed back to my house because of some infractions and the tow truck driver told me to fight it.

I called DOT and I explained what happened and the lady from DOT told me to fight it. She said to send her all my info and she would help me out.


Wow man, sorry to hear that. What a crappy way to start out the season. Good luck on fighting it.

[IN2MOWN]

Wow man, sorry to hear that. What a crappy way to start out the season. Good luck on fighting it.



I think I can get out of it. Im just irritated. He kept me there for almost 2 hours.

Be careful out there guys. He told me that any commercial vehicle over 10,001 LBs (trailer included) needs a DOT #.

I think he just read my trailer wrong though. He told me it was the weight of the trailer with nothing on it and then he told me my trailer had a load capacity of 5000LBs and thats what he was going to add to the 8900 GVWR of my truck.:hammerhead::hammerhead:

He had me so damn confused at the end I started to get pissed so he added more to the ticket like not having a fire extinguisher.

[racer56]

Get used to it this year. They hired even more to bust our buts this year. That is why I stay away from the Olathe dump. They sit right out by there all the time. Need to be under 10,000 CWRVR that has been the law for years. Really I'm surprised he didn't tow the trailer in , you got very lucky. I know it doesn't feel like it. Did he nail you for gas cans not secured down? Vents open on gas cans? Lawrence has hired 2 guys just to police commercial folks around town. I'm sure we are going to get hit. That is why all the guys around here run with no name or anything on the trucks and trailers. They don't mess with you then. Did he have you get a medical card? That is why we sold off the big trucks when we moved up here, we fly under the 10,000 so they can >>>> :laugh:.
The savings in gas has been great as well. I do miss the power of the diesel but that was more of a want than a need. Sorry to hear about that man but put some more money in the cookie jar as if you only get hit once this year you will be lucky.

[KsMowerman]

DOT was wicked last year and prob will be this year as well. We got nailed last year to. We registered w/ dot and have numbers on all vehicles. From what i gathered, they take the GVRW on the truck (located on the inside of the door) and the GVRW on the trailer (located usually on a little metal tag up by the hitch) and add them together. That is your combined GVRW. As said above, if its over 10,001 you have to be registered. Over weight fees are totally different ballgame. I had a buddy last year, that the troopers auctly made him drive to a registered scale to weigh last year, (which he was overweight) and they seized his trailer, until they sent up another trailer to relive some weight and get back to specs. If anyone needs help registering, i can help, as i still have everything from when i registered.

[racer56]

I had to get below the reg as I can't get the medical card. I have a shoulder replacement and they don't even allow a knee replacement unless you find a blind Dr. :laugh:. Dad is 62 and he said the first time they nail him he is just going to fold up. I think it is crap. Some Joe Blow can go over that limit and not do it for a business and be fine. We pull trailers EVERYDAY and 1 pound over or don't have this or that and we could write a check for the days profits.
Sometimes I really have to ask myself why I still put up with it all.

[Travel'n Trees]

Pavestone got bought out. By belgard. http://www.reuters.com/article/mergersNews/idUSL1369945120080313 Also Colo blue spruce 8-12 ft $20 a foot 6 ft norway's $80

[IN2MOWN]

So what happens if I pay the fine and go on my way?

[racer56]

Nothing. Just start saving for the next time, and there will be a next time. Did you get your med card? Triangles? Gas cans secured? Correct tires on truck and trailer? Getting some of this stuff at least lessens the but whippin you get next time. They like to have you learn in with seeral tickets though. We learned the hard way.

[IN2MOWN]

Nothing. Just start saving for the next time, and there will be a next time. Did you get your med card? Triangles? Gas cans secured? Correct tires on truck and trailer? Getting some of this stuff at least lessens the but whippin you get next time. They like to have you learn in with seeral tickets though. We learned the hard way.



Thanks for the advice. My old boss also told me to stay off k-7 and shawnee mission pkwy as those are considered state highways and thats where a lot of inspectors sit at

[racer56]

If anyone else in the Olathe/OP area is looking for work and will PROVE they have work comp and gen. liability I have work for you to do. This would be good for someone just getting started and needs to stay busy. We are full and at least for right now aren't taking anymore work on in that area. PM if need some work to do.

[IN2MOWN]

Ive been going through the report and ticket he gave me and found some inaccuracies...

He fined me twice, at $165.00 on the ticket, for inoperable lights on the trailer.
He ID'd my single axle trailer as a "semi trailer".
He said my origin of load was Olathe and it was actually Shawnee.
He said that I was missing a bearing cap on the right side, second axle... Its a single axle trailer.

The more I read this the more I wonder how new this guy was and if he was just on a power trip.

[carcrz]

He might of been hoping you would just pay it. I think they try to scare us into submission sometimes.

[gander54]

Hey racer do you have anything up north of the river

[IN2MOWN]

He might of been hoping you would just pay it. I think they try to scare us into submission sometimes.

I just left a message with a buddy who is a detective in shawnee. hopefully he can shed some light on this ticket and all the mistakes on it.

Im going to fight this one.

I dont mind adhering to laws. I went out today and bought a whole new light kit for my trailer and some other stuff. I just think he was on a power trip and looking to jack someone.

[racer56]

Nothing up north of the river. Mainly in Olathe but a few in OP. We had a better than expected return on the last round of flyers and only so much work I can do.

[racer56]

I just got off the phone with the largest stander dealer around here(I guess in the country according to him). He said he wants to buy it for one of his customers. He said his cost on this unit is 3500.00 but couldn't sell him a 08 for that as it would lower the price he would have to sell all of them for. I must be too cheap on my 36" stander @ 3750 :laugh:. I guess the bottom line it's still here though. He wanted to have his cake and eat it to and have it sold to the guy before he pays me. Kind of a crap deal for mebut I guess what should I expect that is what he does for a living. He said I still had it due to being too cheap and some will think something is wrong or up. I can assure anyone this is the real deal. Just thought it was funny to have a dealer call me. He asked me not to sell in this area as it is affecting his price he can sell his for,lol. I told him to just buy it and not have to worry about it anymore :laugh:. I really need to have this out of our garage. 785-840-5623

[mowman84]

I would stick to your guns on that price. Sounds like a good deal. I bet I can guess that dealer.

[racer56]

The dealer ended up buying it. Was was a prety nice guy in the end really. He was just trying to get the best deal for his boss he could. Hard to find a guy like that really. Just hate that he isn't working for me. I got some really good news for our family today even thought my wife seems to have kind of mixed emotions about it. I need to think on it for abit then I guess I'll spill the beans,ha.

[carcrz]

Any of you guys around the Leawood/State Line area have a chipper truck? What do you guys do w/ your waste once your truck is full? Every Spring our church has a work day & usually ends up renting a chipper to shred tree branches that we trim throughout the day & then spread it as mulch around the property. Well, we trimmed pretty much everything except a few trees this last year, so there won't be anything to spread on the landscaping. I honestly don't know what you guys do with your waste so I thought I'd throw it out there. If you're paying a dump fee right now, could save you some money. I need to run it past the building committee first, but PM me if it's something you'd be interested in doing.

[Icemanku]

I'm trying to add 20 account by April 24th in southern Overland Park.

Wish me luck and let me know if you thinks it's doable.

[THRIFTY2]

Wheres everyone in the Shawnee area buying mulch???

[IN2MOWN]

Wheres everyone in the Shawnee area buying mulch???

Johnson County Building Materials in Merriam.

[Green Acres]

Does anyone know what hydroseeding goes for an acre around here?

[carcrz]

Buying from Travel'n Trees on 150 hwy when I need dirt or mulch.

[Tom5301]

Racer I am interested in some yards I have Insurance but no work comp I am just solo so never needed it.

[Adam3669]

So what are you guys charging per 1k sq. foot for Aerating around here?

[J.Vaughn]

DOT was wicked last year and prob will be this year as well. We got nailed last year to. We registered w/ dot and have numbers on all vehicles. From what i gathered, they take the GVRW on the truck (located on the inside of the door) and the GVRW on the trailer (located usually on a little metal tag up by the hitch) and add them together. That is your combined GVRW. As said above, if its over 10,001 you have to be registered. Over weight fees are totally different ballgame. I had a buddy last year, that the troopers auctly made him drive to a registered scale to weigh last year, (which he was overweight) and they seized his trailer, until they sent up another trailer to relive some weight and get back to specs. If anyone needs help registering, i can help, as i still have everything from when i registered.

KsMowerman
I need to get registered with DOT, any help you could give would be great thanks

[IN2MOWN]

KsMowerman
I need to get registered with DOT, any help you could give would be great thanks

https://li-public.fmcsa.dot.gov/LIVIEW/PKG_REGISTRATION.prc_option


Start filling this out. I called and actually had someone walk my through it so I would not mess it up.

It's free.

[J.Vaughn]

https://li-public.fmcsa.dot.gov/LIVIEW/PKG_REGISTRATION.prc_option


Start filling this out. I called and actually had someone walk my through it so I would not mess it up.

It's free.

Thanks for the help

[Icemanku]

Have any of you used servicemagic.com in the area? Does it work?

[mowman84]

Has anyone bought mulch from planet mars. If so any good? how much?

[Icemanku]

Has anyone bought mulch from planet mars. If so any good? how much?

Ahhhhhhh..............I don't get it

[mowman84]

Haha at when I first heard the name I was confused also and thought the person was joking. Planet Mars in off merriem lane and is a good place to dump. I recently heard they sell mulch also. Just seeing if anyone has used them.

[IN2MOWN]

Have any of you used servicemagic.com in the area? Does it work?



I have a buddy who works for them and he is constantly trying to get me to do it. Im a bit of a skeptic.

[KCLandscape]

Planet MARRS sells mocha for 24 a yd. Not the best quality of chip

[racer56]

Cedar mulch is dirt cheap in Lawrence at the grass drop off location. They ground up all the trees from last year. I think they sell it on Saturdays. I went by a few days ago and it looks great. Much better than what I havve seen for sale around KC area.

[racer56]

I'm having a getting out of business sale...
No it isn't the economy or lowballers or any of that just time.
Here is a short list of things we have left. Most all of this stuff is new this year or last year for sure. We sold off most everything before we moved here than bought new this year.

6.5'x12' utilty trailer(used less than 5 times) black in color
Came with new wheels and tires
Upgrade to brakes
Easy up tailgate
Heavy duty frame(wrap)
Custom bulldog raised mount with removable wheel
This trailer pulls great and looks of course brand new 1000.00

Bluebird verticut machine
This machine is around 6 years old I would guess but sat in my Dads shed for 5 of them,lol. Not even a nick in the paint. This isn't the old style it was right when they had changed them over. At .06/sq' this thing will make you a ton of money and it's time to seed right now. Much easier on your body and faster than aeration. Not mention it works better to grow grass. 600.00

Stihl extended pole saw used once only 600 new have it for 400

Stihl 260 pro saw with 16" bar it came with and extra new chains for it plus a 20" bar with new chain for it as well. We used this enough to dull 2 chains and that is it. I think we paid around 600 for it plus bought a case and the extras. Sell it for 350.00

Exmark 21" metro
Bought middle of the year last year and used on 3 customers back yards only and then some small areas this Fall. I got a brand new bag for it and blade.
650.00

Shindaiwa 8510 RT back back blower bought it very late Fall last year. Works great. have to think about this one for a price.


More to come as for the accounts I have I'm trying to work something out with those. Maybe buy all the equipment and get them for free or something I don't know. NO TIRE KICKERS 785-840-5623

[mowman84]

I went down to planet marrs today and got some mulch definatly not as good as surburban's mulch. I was picking out all kinds of stuff. How much is the mocha mulch at Johnson County Building Materials and what kind of quality is it? thanks.

[Hamons]

I buy 90% of my mulch form Planet Marrs recycling-- I love there fine ground hardwood. I usually hav very few quality problems with them and I find LOTS of trash in Suburbans mulch.

[IN2MOWN]

I went down to planet marrs today and got some mulch definatly not as good as surburban's mulch. I was picking out all kinds of stuff. How much is the mocha mulch at Johnson County Building Materials and what kind of quality is it? thanks.


I pay $30.00 a cubic yard and IMO its high quality. It's all I use and have never had a complaint.

[Travel'n Trees]

I have seen very little trash in Suburbans mulch, and the dye is not dripped on or dusted so it lasts the whole year. And you always get a fair quanity from suburban so we sell theirs with fair quanity for $28. but hopefully three yards of mine is equal to 4 yards of others. Missouri rainbow 1" now in stock. Tonight I met mister DOT on stateline.

[mowman84]

Thanks, I would rather pay $5.00 more for good stuff.

[THRIFTY]

Looks like more rain is on the way. Are any of you cutting yet? I was hopin to start next week, but the lack of sunshine is keeping the grass dormant...

[rl53103]

Ray Here From Grain Valley Mo ( Outside Blue Springs ) Whats Up All !!
( 816 ) 291-2060 Later All

[rl53103]

Whats Up All Ray Here Outside Of Blue Springs
( 816 ) 291-2060

[IN2MOWN]

I did most of first cuts this week thrifty. Still have some spring cleanups to do though.

Hope to start FT next week.

[IN2MOWN]

Hi ray!


How is business down there?

[rl53103]

alittle slow start but itll be ok

[vaughnslawns]

dave check your e-mail :sleeping:

[Travel'n Trees]

checked will call thanks

[Icemanku]

Where are your accounts? I need accounts desperately!


I'm having a getting out of business sale...
No it isn't the economy or lowballers or any of that just time.
Here is a short list of things we have left. Most all of this stuff is new this year or last year for sure. We sold off most everything before we moved here than bought new this year.

6.5'x12' utilty trailer(used less than 5 times) black in color
Came with new wheels and tires
Upgrade to brakes
Easy up tailgate
Heavy duty frame(wrap)
Custom bulldog raised mount with removable wheel
This trailer pulls great and looks of course brand new 1000.00

Bluebird verticut machine
This machine is around 6 years old I would guess but sat in my Dads shed for 5 of them,lol. Not even a nick in the paint. This isn't the old style it was right when they had changed them over. At .06/sq' this thing will make you a ton of money and it's time to seed right now. Much easier on your body and faster than aeration. Not mention it works better to grow grass. 600.00

Stihl extended pole saw used once only 600 new have it for 400

Stihl 260 pro saw with 16" bar it came with and extra new chains for it plus a 20" bar with new chain for it as well. We used this enough to dull 2 chains and that is it. I think we paid around 600 for it plus bought a case and the extras. Sell it for 350.00

Exmark 21" metro
Bought middle of the year last year and used on 3 customers back yards only and then some small areas this Fall. I got a brand new bag for it and blade.
650.00

Shindaiwa 8510 RT back back blower bought it very late Fall last year. Works great. have to think about this one for a price.


More to come as for the accounts I have I'm trying to work something out with those. Maybe buy all the equipment and get them for free or something I don't know. NO TIRE KICKERS 785-840-5623

[Icemanku]

Have any of you ever put your number in that Star? I put mine in yesterday for the next month and I haven't received any calls yet. I'm assuming because grass is still dormant I guess?

[racer56]

All the work I have ready to go is in Lawrence and of course my phone rings several times per day for the OP/ Olathe area.

On a side note I wouldn't really spend the money to be in the paper. THe trouble is most of the guys in the paper are price shoppers and will only give the work to the cheapest guy they find. Not the kind of folks you even want. KU, you really might want to consider working for someone this year if you don't have a fair amount of work lined up be now. Most of the folks that pay well have found somone by now and the other that are floating around yet well again I think it would be hard to live off that. Maybe I'm just used to more money than that. I don't really know any of your expenses so I guess I shouldn't really say that just don't want you to get beat down before you even start. Not trying to rain on your parade just I've seen alot of nice folks go under fast.

[IN2MOWN]

Have any of you ever put your number in that Star? I put mine in yesterday for the next month and I haven't received any calls yet. I'm assuming because grass is still dormant I guess?

I have to agree with racer. Papers are just about worthless. And to be honest the grass is barely growing now.

If I was you I would consider door hangers, flyers, and postcards. If you want to go the cheap route have some flyers printed up and go door to door putting them on the door handle.

I have gotten a few calls but most of mine dont start till April when the grass is shooting up.

I dont know what your situation is financially or personally or how long you have been doing this but you need to advertise ALL YEAR ROUND.

I was thinking about 08 in the middle of 07.

Maybe racer is right. Have you thought about working for someone else this year while you get all your stuff lined up for 09? How many accounts do you have now?

You said in another thread that you do tree work and landscaping as well as mowing. You should have plenty of business lined up already...

[Icemanku]

How much would you guys charge for putting down a yard of hardwood mulch?

I was thinking around $150?

[IN2MOWN]

How much would you guys charge for putting down a yard of hardwood mulch?

I was thinking around $150?


One yard? $150.00 dollars?????

I charge $80.00 per yard installed.

And I thought my prices were high...

[Icemanku]

One yard? $150.00 dollars?????

I charge $80.00 per yard installed.

And I thought my prices were high...

I was just thinking this way, which is probably wrong.

$50 for the mulch(I get for $30ish) and then $50 dollars for the hour I'll be there Does that sound better? I don't know why I said $150???;)

So $100?

[IN2MOWN]

I was just thinking this way, which is probably wrong.

$50 for the mulch(I get for $30ish) and then $50 dollars for the hour I'll be there Does that sound better? I don't know why I said $150???;)

So $100?


I still think thats high but if you can get it then by all means charge that much.

[Icemanku]

I still think thats high but if you can get it then by all means charge that much.

I quoted him $85.

If you had 5 yards would you still charge $80 per yard?

[IN2MOWN]

I quoted him $85.

If you had 5 yards would you still charge $80 per yard?



Yes. I dont give discounts for bulk.

If they want the beds reshaped/weeded or the old mulch removed its more

[Icemanku]

I have to agree with racer. Papers are just about worthless. And to be honest the grass is barely growing now.

If I was you I would consider door hangers, flyers, and postcards. If you want to go the cheap route have some flyers printed up and go door to door putting them on the door handle.

I have gotten a few calls but most of mine dont start till April when the grass is shooting up.

I dont know what your situation is financially or personally or how long you have been doing this but you need to advertise ALL YEAR ROUND.

I was thinking about 08 in the middle of 07.

Maybe racer is right. Have you thought about working for someone else this year while you get all your stuff lined up for 09? How many accounts do you have now?

You said in another thread that you do tree work and landscaping as well as mowing. You should have plenty of business lined up already...

I appreciate yours and racers concern.

He's my situation

I run a tshirt website which pays my bills during football and basketball seasons but during the months of April through August the site is virtually dead with traffic.

My old neighbor who has had his lawn business passed down by his older brother who has had that business passed down through my best friend isn't doing a good job running it. He's 17 and about to go to college in August. He's run a great business into the ground and I'm trying to rescue it. He does really top quality work, but he doesn't try to get new customers. Over the last 3 years he's gone from a little over 40 accounts down to just 16.

I figure I'll come in and help him build it back up and while doing that I'll be buying more and more into the company. Throughout the summer I plan to add accounts which we'll share the income for and I'll pay him a small fee to rent to own the equipment. Once he's off to college all the accounts will now be mine and I'll just pay for the operating costs and a small fee for the equipment.

By the 2009 season all the equipment and accounts will be mine and I would have put nothing down except my work and marketing skills.

[IN2MOWN]

I appreciate yours and racers concern.

He's my situation

I run a tshirt website which pays my bills during football and basketball seasons but during the months of April through August the site is virtually dead with traffic.

My old neighbor who has had his lawn business passed down by his older brother who has had that business passed down through my best friend isn't doing a good job running it. He's 17 and about to go to college in August. He's run a great business into the ground and I'm trying to rescue it. He does really top quality work, but he doesn't try to get new customers. Over the last 3 years he's gone from a little over 40 accounts down to just 16.

I figure I'll come in and help him build it back up and while doing that I'll be buying more and more into the company. Throughout the summer I plan to add accounts which we'll share the income for and I'll pay him a small fee to rent to own the equipment. Once he's off to college all the accounts will now be mine and I'll just pay for the operating costs and a small fee for the equipment.

By the 2009 season all the equipment and accounts will be mine and I would have put nothing down except my work and marketing skills.



Not a bad idea.

Here is what I would do.

Have some flyers made up and start dousing the city in them. Every time you go to a customer you already have to mow them hit the 10 closest houses around them EVERY week with flyers.

You should be able to pick up 20 houses in no time. They key to advertising is not so much how much you send out but WHEN you send them out. April and May will be huge for you if advertise then.

[Icemanku]

Not a bad idea.

Here is what I would do.

Have some flyers made up and start dousing the city in them. Every time you go to a customer you already have to mow them hit the 10 closest houses around them EVERY week with flyers.

You should be able to pick up 20 houses in no time. They key to advertising is not so much how much you send out but WHEN you send them out. April and May will be huge for you if advertise then.

That's what I thought too. I had a feeling that this week would be warm, 70's, and would wake the grass up. I was wrong.

I don't think all is lost with the newspaper add, but I shouldn't expect calls until the grass is growing. Also in my ad I put OP and Leawood so I'm hopeful that would get me some good customers. furthermore if I get one seasonal customer out of it I can say it was worth it.

[IN2MOWN]

That's what I thought too. I had a feeling that this week would be warm, 70's, and would wake the grass up. I was wrong.

I don't think all is lost with the newspaper add, but I shouldn't expect calls until the grass is growing. Also in my ad I put OP and Leawood so I'm hopeful that would get me some good customers. furthermore if I get one seasonal customer out of it I can say it was worth it.

March is a strange month around here. Some of my yards are green and growing already and some are still fairly dormant.

I expect a wake up next week after the rain we are supposed to get and the sun that will eventually come out.

Calls will come. I just had 2 more today for mulch, drainage work and a cleanup.

[ffemtmcd]

Anyone here do tree removal?? I have a customer asking about it - not sure how many or how big the trees are that he wants removed. Also - how do you charge for that?? Thanks in advance.

[THRIFTY]

Next week the stander should be hitting a few yards...Not all but a few!

[Adam3669]

Got a chance to put ~7 yards of mulch in for a customer today. Did a few verticut/seeds as well, with another 15 lined up for the weekend! Hopefully $$$ will start rolling in soon!

[IN2MOWN]

Got a chance to put ~7 yards of mulch in for a customer today. Did a few verticut/seeds as well, with another 15 lined up for the weekend! Hopefully $$$ will start rolling in soon!



They didn't put down their pre-emergents did they? Make sure you check for that.

[vaughnslawns]

who mows in blue springs..... gladstone....?

[gander54]

What kind of software do you guys use?

[E & J Pro Turf]

We do Gladstone. Let me know if we can help.

Thanks for the hook up on ins contact.

[carcrz]

who mows in blue springs..... gladstone....?

I'll take on a property of some size, but nothing small out there; Blue Springs that is. I don't really have anything that direction currently.

[E & J Pro Turf]

What kind of software do you guys use?

Quick Books Pro. Its takes a while to learn it and get going. But once you get a few things mastered its very fast and easy.

[Travel'n Trees]

landscape pro and quick books online, got rid of disk.

[rjgolfer]

THinking about buying a Gravely 36" Hydro WB. We run Wright Standers but looking to add a WB. Any options on the Gravely?? Or even the Encore?? Don't know much about Encore
Thanks!

[IN2MOWN]

THinking about buying a Gravely 36" Hydro WB. We run Wright Standers but looking to add a WB. Any options on the Gravely?? Or even the Encore?? Don't know much about Encore
Thanks!

You will get varied opinions on Encore.

Ive been using them for 15 years and I like them. They are very easy to work on in the field compared to others. I think they are built to last. I like the detachable gas tanks if you just want to gas up but not take the mower.

I do recommend this though. If you get a 48 go with something bigger then the 14.5 HP KAW. That is what usually comes standard on their 48s but its just the right size for a 36.

[IN2MOWN]

What kind of software do you guys use?



Gopher but Im thinking about switching to Landscape Pro this summer. Gopher just isnt cutting it anymore. Its a pretty pedestrian program.

[rjgolfer]

You will get varied opinions on Encore.

Ive been using them for 15 years and I like them. They are very easy to work on in the field compared to others. I think they are built to last. I like the detachable gas tanks if you just want to gas up but not take the mower.

I do recommend this though. If you get a 48 go with something bigger then the 14.5 HP KAW. That is what usually comes standard on their 48s but its just the right size for a 36.Thnanks for your opinion. Curtis over at Arnolds quoted me $3,750 for a 36" Hydro Encore.....but have had a few guys tell me to get the Gravely and stay away from Encore's. Not sure what a Gravely will cost. I can't find any dealers here in Johnson County....either up north or in Lawerence. Are your Encore's belt drive?? Would you recommend belt or Hydro's??

[IN2MOWN]

Thnanks for your opinion. Curtis over at Arnolds quoted me $3,750 for a 36" Hydro Encore.....but have had a few guys tell me to get the Gravely and stay away from Encore's. Not sure what a Gravely will cost. I can't find any dealers here in Johnson County....either up north or in Lawerence. Are your Encore's belt drive?? Would you recommend belt or Hydro's??

Mine are hydros and definitely recommend those over the belts. I would recommend hydro over belt on ANY mower though.

I have never used Gravely so I dont have an opinion on them. Here is a link to some of the dealers around KC though.

http://www.gravely.com/dealerlocator/results.asp


Ask Curtis to let you test drive one for a day. I think you will be happy.

[rjgolfer]

Mine are hydros and definitely recommend those over the belts. I would recommend hydro over belt on ANY mower though.

I have never used Gravely so I dont have an opinion on them. Here is a link to some of the dealers around KC though.

http://www.gravely.com/dealerlocator/results.asp


Ask Curtis to let you test drive one for a day. I think you will be happy.I did see this link on Gravely's website and lists Feldman's up in Bonner but went there yesterday and they don't have any Gravely's...???? So might to to Lawerence....I live in Olathe.
Good idea with Curtis....might have to do that. Have never owned a WB so not really sure what to look for but have heard the hydro's are the way to go....but do you have any problems tearing up turf on your turns with the Encore's...or maybe any WB might have that problem. Just have a lot of customer's sensative about us tearing up their turf with our Standers...but if we use 3 point turns it doesn't tear up as bad.

[IN2MOWN]

I did see this link on Gravely's website and lists Feldman's up in Bonner but went there yesterday and they don't have any Gravely's...???? So might to to Lawerence....I live in Olathe.
Good idea with Curtis....might have to do that. Have never owned a WB so not really sure what to look for but have heard the hydro's are the way to go....but do you have any problems tearing up turf on your turns with the Encore's...or maybe any WB might have that problem. Just have a lot of customer's sensative about us tearing up their turf with our Standers...but if we use 3 point turns it doesn't tear up as bad.



I have never torn the turf with a WB making a turn. I cant say the same for the new Deere stander I bought though. Im still getting used to it.

It's the same premise with a WB though. Do your perimeter first ( with a 36 you have to go around twice) and then start going back and forth. I have found with my 54 inch Deere stander that going around twice also will alleviate the need for tight turn arounds which in turn will lessen the problems with ripping up the turf.

[rjgolfer]

I have never torn the turf with a WB making a turn. I cant say the same for the new Deere stander I bought though. Im still getting used to it.

It's the same premise with a WB though. Do your perimeter first ( with a 36 you have to go around twice) and then start going back and forth. I have found with my 54 inch Deere stander that going around twice also will alleviate the need for tight turn arounds which in turn will lessen the problems with ripping up the turf.
Thanks for the advice.....we usually just do 1 perimeter cut but will try 2 and minimize the need for a tight turn. And go test drive some WB's tomorrow. Any idea when you will start mowing??? Need some warmer soil temps!!

[IN2MOWN]

Thanks for the advice.....we usually just do 1 perimeter cut but will try 2 and minimize the need for a tight turn. And go test drive some WB's tomorrow. Any idea when you will start mowing??? Need some warmer soil temps!!

Ive been doing "first cuts" for about 2 weeks now and finishing up some spring cleanups.

Ill probably start FT on Tuesday. Im a one man show so I dont want to wait to long. I have a feeling that after all the rain we get this week and then the 70's and sun by next weekend that the grass will take off pretty quick.

[rjgolfer]

Ive been doing "first cuts" for about 2 weeks now and finishing up some spring cleanups.

Ill probably start FT on Tuesday. Im a one man show so I dont want to wait to long. I have a feeling that after all the rain we get this week and then the 70's and sun by next weekend that the grass will take off pretty quick.I am a one man show too and will start next week. Thanks again for the advice!!

[ffemtmcd]

Trees?? Anyone??

[IN2MOWN]

Trees?? Anyone??




Call my buddy Mike Franzwa with Franzwa tree care. His # is 913- 422-9444. He is located in Lenexa but does work all over.

My name is John Foley. Tell him I gave him your number.

[mowman84]

I have had a gravely 36 and it was junk. Very heavy mower, did not stripe very well, trasmission was bad and I bought it bran new from turf technolgy which is now out of bizz (horriable sevice there to). Then bought a 36 Encore and it works vey well stripes good, responsive turns and doesnt tear up the turf. You should check them out at Reynolds Lawn and Leisure on shawnee mission parkway and about pflumn. They also have a zero down time program, so if you machine breaks you take it in there and they give you a loaner.

[IN2MOWN]

I have had a gravely 36 and it was junk. Very heavy mower, did not stripe very well, trasmission was bad and I bought it bran new from turf technolgy which is now out of bizz (horriable sevice there to). Then bought a 36 Encore and it works vey well stripes good, responsive turns and doesnt tear up the turf. You should check them out at Reynolds Lawn and Leisure on shawnee mission parkway and about pflumn. They also have a zero down time program, so if you machine breaks you take it in there and they give you a loaner.



Thank you! I completely forgot that Reynolds sold them. He's right RJgolfer. Reynolds is a great place to go. I actually switched most of my business from Arnolds to Reynolds because of their service dept.

Stupid me!!:hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead::hammerhead:

Im there all the time to!

[Icemanku]

Where are you guys getting most of you spring clean up business from besides existing customers?

[mowman84]

Yes Reynolds is great. If found them to be more friendly and helpfull than Arnolds. Anrolds will nickel and dime you, where I have gone in Reynolds for a quick fix uncharged. They will aso service Wright Stander even though they dont sell them.

[rjgolfer]

Yes Reynolds is great. If found them to be more friendly and helpfull than Arnolds. Anrolds will nickel and dime you, where I have gone in Reynolds for a quick fix uncharged. They will aso service Wright Stander even though they dont sell them.Thanks for all the advice!! Curtis will nickle and dime you!!! Although he quoted me $3,750 for the hydro 36" Encore and Renolds was over $500 higher! Maybe I will reconsider the Encore and maybe buy from Curtis and have Renolds service it my Wrights! Thanks again for the help!!

[IN2MOWN]

Thanks for all the advice!! Curtis will nickle and dime you!!! Although he quoted me $3,750 for the hydro 36" Encore and Renolds was over $500 higher! Maybe I will reconsider the Encore and maybe buy from Curtis and have Renolds service it my Wrights! Thanks again for the help!!



Talk to them again and tell them you want to do business with them and see if they will match Arnolds price. 10-1 says they will.

[rjgolfer]

Talk to them again and tell them you want to do business with them and see if they will match Arnolds price. 10-1 says they will.Not sure if this a "ford" vs "chevy" thing but have heard strong opinions on both brands......I will go by Reynolds tomorrow. Thanks!!

[ffemtmcd]

Thanks in2 - I'll give him a call

[mowman84]

Yes go there in person and talk to them. Im shure they can give you a deal. Also that pricing might have included the zero down time. You can get it maybe $200-$300 less with out that.

[racer56]

Ask Curtis how long it has been sitting over in the shop across the street. The thing with Curtis isn't just price it's ... Well with lawyers and everything mama says if you can't say something nice then don't so anything at all so I guess I won't :laugh:.

[rjgolfer]

Ask Curtis how long it has been sitting over in the shop across the street. The thing with Curtis isn't just price it's ... Well with lawyers and everything mama says if you can't say something nice then don't so anything at all so I guess I won't :laugh:.
It is in the his shop across the street in the back corner...you suggesting this might have been there for awhile??? Also...and any thoughts on the pistol grips and causing fatigue. I saw a thread about them (actually most WB's with pistol grips) causing carpal tunnel (sp) and lots of pain in wrists..???

[IN2MOWN]

It is in the his shop across the street in the back corner...you suggesting this might have been there for awhile??? Also...and any thoughts on the pistol grips and causing fatigue. I saw a thread about them (actually most WB's with pistol grips) causing carpal tunnel (sp) and lots of pain in wrists..???



Thats one reason I bought a stander mower. After almost 15 years of WBs my wrists and elbows are shot. It wont happen overnight but it will happen eventually.

[rjgolfer]

Thats one reason I bought a stander mower. After almost 15 years of WBs my wrists and elbows are shot. It wont happen overnight but it will happen eventually.
Looks like Exmark gets good reviews on it's ECS system. Might go out to Blue Valley and check them out.....

[IN2MOWN]

Looks like Exmark gets good reviews on it's ECS system. Might go out to Blue Valley and check them out.....


I dont know where you are located at but just remember you have to drive out there every time something happens or you need a part for it. Im in Shawnee and its over 20 miles for me.

[rjgolfer]

I dont know where you are located at but just remember you have to drive out there every time something happens or you need a part for it. Im in Shawnee and its over 20 miles for me.Yeah I thought about that....but they are the closest dealer to me here in Olathe

[gander54]

anyone looking to sell a few contacts preferably liberty kearney excelsior zona roza area...but anything will work for now....and thanks for the help on the software

[mowman84]

rjgolfer- Smitty's is also in Olathe. They sell Scag which is about $1000 more for the same WB in Encore brand. Scag is a very good mower though.

[itsallaboutthestripes]

Encore is a good WB mower the only bad thing about them is the spindles are aluminum and will fry in 2 seasons. You can replace them with stander spindles which are built alot better.

[IN2MOWN]

Encore is a good WB mower the only bad thing about them is the spindles are aluminum and will fry in 2 seasons. You can replace them with stander spindles which are built alot better.



2 Encores with 13 years between them. Ive only replaced 1 spindle.

[racer56]

Sounds like it is in the same place as last Spring or was it last Fall? Anyway might push it to see if it is stuck to the ground. :laugh: I guess I would focus on purchasing from someone that works with commercial cutters. I would get a stander and then add a belt drive toro for the days when it is too wet to run a stander.

[IN2MOWN]

Encore is a good WB mower the only bad thing about them is the spindles are aluminum and will fry in 2 seasons. You can replace them with stander spindles which are built alot better.



2 Encores with 13 years between them. Ive only replaced 1 spindle.

[mowman84]

I havent have any problems with the 2 Encores I have had. I always mantaine them well also.

[THRIFTY]

Whats everyones status on spring advertising? For me, I have about 1500 doorhangers to throw out still then I am done! Im keeping my fingers corssed for 3 more weekly accounts and ill be set!

[bandbmowing]

Looking for a good sprinkler system guy, if anyone knows of one can you pm me there information? Thanks,

[IN2MOWN]

Looking for a good sprinkler system guy, if anyone knows of one can you pm me there information? Thanks,



Try Marty King with Crown Lawn Care

913-422-7207

[GSPHUNTER]

Anyone on here mow for PAL in KC on the Kansas side?

[IN2MOWN]

Anyone on here mow for PAL in KC on the Kansas side?

What's PAL?

[RECESSION PROOF MOWING]

"26th and Euclid"

Yea, that's the hood.
I used to mow some vacant lots down there my first year. I was scared as hell driving around there with my rig. Place might as well be mexico :dizzy:

That place is going to be dangerous this summer.

I had a guy call me twice in the last couple days from a house at 16th and Kensington, told him both times that I don't leave the suburbs. Is that discrimination? I don't give a :angel:

He said "Business must be good because nobody wants to come here for work?"
I hate just driving through that place.


This is coming from one who knows. I'm joined in this fraternity of Mid-town workers such as AT&T, City employees, Dish Network installers...you better get in early and not stay too late. That's just the rule of the jungle in many parts of greater Kansas City. It's not for the timid. You've got a lot of wildcards to deal with and some cutters aren't willing to take those jobs. Hey, I completely understand. I've got contract work down there every other week running from 25th & Garfield all the way south to James A. Reed Rd. & 470, so you know I'm a true survivor! You have to plan accordingly. I don't stay and admire my work, I don't hang around and make friends, I mow, trim, blow, and get the hell outta there! If you're there early enough, there's no trouble. Troublemakers tend to sleep in. Good thing.

Another survival strategy is that you can never mow alone. At least have a second there to stay close to the equipment doing some task while you work further away. In these areas, I tend to grab the trimmer and stay close to the truck while my zero turn guy mows the opposite end. Then when he's done with that and mowing closer to the truck, I alternate and trim further away...always having someone close to my investment. If you can afford three guys, even better. You knock out the property quickly and bada-bing on to the next. Sounds like common sense, but you'd be surprised how just a good 20 ft. away from the truck can wake the dead! You see a guy with a cell phone planted to his ear walking up and down the street you're on...pack up the equipment and move on. Don't wait for the show to begin.

Third little piece of advice when mowing in rough areas: Get lost in your work. Don't make a lot of eye contact or nicities with ANYBODY. Keep it simple and work-related unless, of course, you're dealing with the homeowner themself. It's sort of like a soldier walking through the streets of Iraq. Most look friendly, but you just know that there's some fire brewing there somewhere. The more you blend into the purpose of why you're there, the less the hoodlum can work with. Once you mix it up and think the neighbors really appreciate your efforts and, man, that trimming looks so professional...the hook is already in the lip. I'm very surface in these hotspots, very milktoast. Nice, simple, but not chummy. Chummy gets you robbed.

I could write a book...

[mowman84]

I cut my first yard today that actually grew. I am thinking by next thurday I will be doing it weekly.

[carcrz]

I started my weekly lawn maintenance this week also. Most of them had just started growing so they had about 1/2 an inch to an inch of growth.

[IN2MOWN]

I have about 8 houses I do in a neighborhood off of 127 and State line. Aspen does a few in the area around me. I cant believe how long these guys wait to start cutting. They clearly need to be cut but wont be there till mid-april. It happens every year. They wait till they are 6-7 inches tall and then go over there and struggle with it.

[THRIFTY]

I have about 8 houses I do in a neighborhood off of 127 and State line. Aspen does a few in the area around me. I cant believe how long these guys wait to start cutting. They clearly need to be cut but wont be there till mid-april. It happens every year. They wait till they are 6-7 inches tall and then go over there and struggle with it.

I see aspen swag around in my area. Are they pretty big? Where are they based out of?

[IN2MOWN]

I see aspen swag around in my area. Are they pretty big? Where are they based out of?



They are pretty good size. Been around for about 20 years. Based out of Olathe I think.

[carcrz]

Yup. They're out of Olathe. Here's their website (http://www.aspenlawn.com/services)

[mowman84]

I think there next to Lesco on 127th