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lsylvain
03-09-2003, 09:36 AM
I was wondering if anyone knows roughly how much mulch weighs. I was planning on using my trailer this year instead of the truck if I can haul enough to make it worth while.

If I use the trailer I can go to the sawmill and get my mulch, but it is 30 min farther than my local guy. I can get the mulch for 75% of what I am paying locally but have the added gas and time to pick it up.

I have a 7' x 16' trailer. I can pull up to 7000 pounds with it but I don't like to haul more than 5000. I'm trying to figure up how high I need to make the side rails to get enough mulch to save time and money. ( I can't fill my trailer at the local guy no room)

To get the quantity of mulch I need to save t&m I need to have 4' sides. How much would that weigh? Ideas?

Runner
03-09-2003, 01:48 PM
Well, for most mulches, generally speaking, and depending how wet or moist it is, 3 yards is WELL under a ton.

dougaustreim
03-09-2003, 03:34 PM
With the mulches I have dealt with over the years, I doubt if you could overload most trailers or vehicles.

Doug
Austreim Landscaping

jkelton
03-09-2003, 09:58 PM
Hardwood in my area weighes between 600 to 800 lb per cubic yard; pine somewhat less (probably 500~600 lb per cubic yard). Black mulch in my area is generally colored with charcoal dust, which increases the density to 800~1000 lb per cubic yard. All of these figures depend highly on moisture content of the mulch - this time of the year will generally yeild greater moisture content, thus increasing the weight. Be careful when loading your vehicle or trailer - never overload it with more weight than you think you can handle.

From your measurements, the struck off volume with 4' sides is 448 cubic feet, or 16.6 cubic yards. For a mulch that has a density of 500 lb per cubic yard, the total weight would be 8300 lb. Check with your supplier to find out what the density of the material is. If they do any trucking of the material, they should know.

mklawnman
03-09-2003, 10:40 PM
We have a 6x12ft trailer with 2ft plywood sides built on them and we've gotten in at least 4yds of mulch, hardwood mostly along with some enviromulch. Its a single axle and has a rating of 3,500 on front and also rear part of the axle but have had no problems.
Im guessing you could easily get 8yds in a 16ft trailer tandem.
Matt

MD Land Management
03-10-2003, 11:13 PM
Hey guys Can't wait to start mulching here its almost time. We have a 6x12 dual axel dump trailer with 4foot high sides. We typically get between 5-6 yards of mulch in there with no prob. The trailer is rated at 3 tons, I bet the mulch to way in at around 2,500lbs or so. We have no trouble pulling it with a 99' F150 4 door V6. good luck mulching.

Mark
MD Landscape Management
Cherry Hill, NJ

LAWNGODFATHER
03-11-2003, 01:26 AM
To be safe figure 800 dry to 1000 moist.

lsylvain
03-11-2003, 06:23 PM
thanks guys,

I was looking over my origional post and realized I said 7000 lbs, I don't know what I was thinking my trailer can pull 10,000 lbs

So hauling 10 yards would be pushing it with the truck.

Thanks again.

LAWNGODFATHER
03-11-2003, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by lsylvain
I don't know what I was thinking my trailer can pull 10,000 lbs

1) a trailer doesn't pull anything, but I see you said might push your truck.

2) just because a trailer has a GCVW of 10,000 doesn't mean it can hold 10k in payload. You must subtract the weight of the trailer, and other contents. Find out what the empty weight of both truck and trailer, then you will know what you can and can't haul.

3) pulling 10,000 with a 3/4 to 1 ton is overloading it.

4) if your plates are not above what the GCVW of your truck is, say hello to the massive dollar ticket you can and will get.

A '98 3/4 dodge reg cab 4x4 pickup is 5400# with a 1,500# trailer thats 6900#, add mulch at about 7000# and you are now over bl12 plates, and those DOT's love to ticket overloaded trucks.

I've seen to many guys pulled ove, many are if you only knew before you loaded up.

lsylvain
03-11-2003, 06:57 PM
LGF, yeah I know that's why I don't like to pull over 5000lbs I have used it with 8000lbs on it before. my truck weights 7200 lbs and the trailer is 2.5k emply( If I remember corectly)

thanks

gslam88
03-11-2003, 07:01 PM
Godfather,

I hate to disagree with you.... and I know you never should disagree with the godfather... (it's the italian in me) ... but using your example of 5400 lb truck and say a 7000 trailer... it only puts about 15% on the truck via the hitch... so that would be 1,050 added to the truck... so your now at 6450 on the truck.... Dodge could be on the lite site, but my Chevy 2500 has a gvw of 8600. so that would mean if my truck were 5400 I would still have room for hauling....


I have pulled 12k trailers with my truck before with a skid steer on it and I think the skid steer was only a light weight of say 5500 with out a problem at all.

I have also pulled tri-axles trailer grinders and excavators with my 6 wheel dump truck with also not problem.... but that is a whole different class of truck (class 8 International 4900 and 20 ton trailer)

Just my .02


Pete

lsylvain
03-11-2003, 07:31 PM
Shoot, I've seen guys pull a bob-cat with an S-10 V6. not kidding saw a lady bringing it back to the rental place.

You can't beat a GM product, don't get me started.

I'm starting to question if mulch really can way 1000lbs per yard.

I have 3' sides on my 3/4 ton GMC and mound it at the top. It only dips about 3" when it is full. that's over 5 yards of mulch
Of course it is a 79 model so I wouldn't try it wil a new one.
2 * 2.6 * 1 = 5.3

LAWNGODFATHER
03-11-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by gslam88
your example of 5400 lb truck and say a 7000 trailer... it only puts about 15% on the truck via the hitch... so that would be 1,050 added to the truck... so your now at 6450 on the truck.... Dodge could be on the lite site, but my Chevy 2500 has a gvw of 8600. so that would mean if my truck were 5400 I would still have room for hauling....


I have pulled 12k trailers with my truck before with a skid steer on it and I think the skid steer was only a light weight of say 5500 with out a problem at all.
You miss understood my post, my Dodge 3/4 ton is an 8800 gvw truck, it's empty weight is 5400#.

Add a trailer 1500# and 7,ooo pounds of mulch and you get 13,900 pounds, that's 1,900 pounds over 12,ooo pound license plates. A very high priced ticket in the lower 48 confidential united states.

I didn't say anything about the gvw of the truck. That's another subject.

GCVW, what's the true combined capacity of a truck? Like an S10 hauling a Bobcat, it can do it, but is it safe?

I have seen a Range Rover towing a Bobcat 873, now there is more of a reference, that machine weighs in well over 7000# for it, not including the trailer. The HD trailer it was on has got to be close to 2500#, wouldn't you say that Range Rover was way overloaded?

BTW I can tow a Bobcat with my Jeep Wrangler. Bobcat 440G, to bad it weighs only 3,100# and I had it on a single axle trailer.

Also my Dodge thing says I can haul 14,000 with mine, I have had it there and up to close to 20,000#, I would of hated for some one to cut me off. Yeah it can do it, but safety is the main issue.

This is why I have bought heavier trucks. This is why I buy trucks with 26k and to 42k GVW ratings.

BTW this is the lightest of the heavy trucks I have been using. Just got it last week.

gslam88
03-11-2003, 10:00 PM
LGF,

I know that this maybe a little off the subject line, but you say that is above the license plate weight. Does your state have a tiered license plate system? In CT we go by what the weight is of the vehicle. IF you are registered for 10,000 then that is your legal weight, however all pickup trucks are registered as combination vehicles.. .s-10, subaru brat, F550 etc, what ever is not a passenger vehicle....

The only safe and guaranteed way to trailer something of any weight is at 0RPm and 0mph..... guaranteed not to brake anything on the towing vehicle

I know this was off subject,... but worked for a guy last year who told me a story about a trucker who was way overloaded ... got stopped by the police... they cut him a huge break... the original overweight fine was about @20,000.... cut it in half to just about $10,000.... would hate to be him....

You are right about what can and does get towed and what is safe and responsible....



Pete

LAWNGODFATHER
03-11-2003, 10:07 PM
6-12-18-24-26-32-42-etc....All ,000 pounds. Though 26,001 will get you CDL.

I think it's a similar system, but we get the choice.

On a 1 ton from 6-24k, but a 1 ton dually reg at 6 is over weight dry, no fuel ,oil driver, nothing.

So you're saying an 8800 gvw truck is reg at 8800? Or can it be reg at 10,000?

This is semi relivent to the thread, as you have to haul the mluch.

gslam88
03-11-2003, 10:22 PM
LGf,

The registration for the productions p/u ... GM, ford, dodge, 2500. 3500 etc in our state is what the manufacture rates the vehicle at... mine is at 8600....and that is it. You can register it for less than the gross, but not more than. My International which is a 4900 has a GVW of 34,000 ... so if I am at 34,001 I am over weight by GVW.. but the state police and dmv usually try by axle weight and it puts you over ... so they get their lovely large fines.... they try anything they can... catch you with your tag axle up and they only weight you with the 2 axles ... so your over weight in a tri-axle in that shape.....

As far as CDL... that is just the license to drive the vehicle above 26,000... with some exceptions.... tow truck kinds, fire truck, etc.... it allows you to drive a combo vehicle up to 80k in our state within the legal limits.... if you know what I mean... NY is above that from what I have been told....



Pete

plowboy81
03-12-2003, 11:04 PM
If you guys would get a Powerstroke then you could pull a 52 footer, the chevy, the dodge, and 100 yards of mulch without even touching the gas.

gslam88
03-12-2003, 11:06 PM
PLOWBOY,

you have been watching way too many of the ford ads... next your going to tell me that a psd can really pull a airplane into flight or yank a stuck ship out of ice




Pete

plowboy81
03-12-2003, 11:17 PM
Congratulations, you must have just tried your new Powerstroke out for the first time! Amazing what it will do ain't it?

LAWNGODFATHER
03-13-2003, 12:29 AM
I skipp right over that powerstoker diesel and went with DT466's.

greenman
03-13-2003, 08:28 PM
I dont see where a yard of mulch can weigh 800 pounds. How much does a 3 cu.ft. bag weigh? 40lbs? 50 lbs? 9 of those bags are a cu.yd.

LAWNGODFATHER
03-13-2003, 09:23 PM
Bagged mulch is bone dry to low moisture.

Bulk mulch sits in the rain and holds moisture in, due to being exposed to the eliments.

stslawncare
03-14-2003, 09:25 AM
would i be correct in saying that it is more mulch for our money to buy it bagged then bulk????

blafleur
03-14-2003, 10:30 AM
I get a lot more mulch for my money in bulk. At least where I get it, it is packed denser, and the loaders load it with a 4 yard scoop. They cant really measure it, so they just grab a heaping spoonful.

Compost I buy in bulk is 1000 lb/yard. The mulch is a whole lot less. My trailer holds 5 yards and I cant tell much difference with mulch. But this is somewhat aged, the original poster mentioned a sawmill, it is fresh, it will be a lot wetter.

Bryan

slowleak
03-14-2003, 04:40 PM
yeah,yeah,mines bigger'n urs yadayada......my 78 scout and i went out to play today with my 12by 6 tandem axle today.had about 4 yds of mulch in it (kinda wet) those 345 w/4spd dana's can't be beat. hardly even felt like anything back there; ) but oh boy what crappy mileage i get (10-12).