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bastalker
03-10-2003, 11:23 PM
I am trying to bid on an apartment complex that requires 50 yards of mulch in beds , around buildings etc..The apartment complex is about 6 acres total. Pine bark mulch is $26.00 a yard in my area. My question is how long should it take to lay(2 men), and what would be the most efficient way to do it? $40 per man per hour. I figured Mulch cost $1400.00 delivered. What would a fair labor cost be?:confused:

greenman
03-11-2003, 07:26 AM
$26 per yard, whoa! Its around $15 here. Why pine bark? Was it requested by client? That stuff is so light that it will wash away in no time. Anyway, be sure to mark up the mulch for your time and for delivery fee(s). Depending on how far you have to wheel the mulch also determines how long it will take. Two men should be able to put sling and spread 8 to 10 yards in and hour. I dont charge mulch by the hour, but you can if you think you have a good idea of the time frame. I have a 15yard mulch job to do tomorrow,and the customers insists on fabric........I charge per yard for installation.

Scraper
03-11-2003, 08:25 AM
At least $4250. ($85/yard installed) I'd figure about 3 days for 2 guys and that's humping it. Best bet would be to rent bededger for efficiency.

paponte
03-11-2003, 08:27 AM
Yes always mark up your mulch price by at least 25%. Also you have to figure out accessibility of the beds. 8-10 yards per hour for two guys is about right, unless the beds are hard to access. :cool:

KerryB
03-11-2003, 08:32 AM
I use it in the bag. It is easier to move around and cuts down on clean up time.
I also charge by the yard. And I too think you should find another supplier. I pay $15.00 per yard in the bag.

jkelton
03-11-2003, 09:10 AM
Sub it out to someone who offers a mulch blowing service - that will be your most cost effecient manner in doing this type of job.

Randy Scott
03-11-2003, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Scraper
At least $4250. ($85/yard installed) I'd figure about 3 days for 2 guys and that's humping it. Best bet would be to rent bededger for efficiency.

You lost me buddy. What does a bed edger have to do with spreading mulch? :)

mklawnman
03-11-2003, 10:52 AM
Yeah I think he was thinking about doing a bed from scratch and not from an existing bed. A bed edger doesn't help spread mulch, just defines the bed.
"8-10yrds an hour for 2guys" thats a bit much, only if it would be in one area, but if you have to wheel it to a corner or a tree takes a bit longer.
I've put down 20yrds of mulch for an apartment complex and if i can remember correctly the total for everything was $2,000 I think, maybe a bit lower.
Matt

bastalker
03-11-2003, 11:15 AM
I figured it would take my son an I 16 hours @40.00 an hour per man. we did a house last year (8 yards of mulch) but i was driving back and forth to the local mulch place bout 5 miles away getting 2 yards at a time in the back of my truck. took us about 6 hours. paponte, I dont know that we can do it that fast..beds are pretty spread out. The only way I could think of was using wheel barrows. I know we can do it faster than 3 days. The 16 hours was streching it a little I think. $1300.00 sound about right?
jkelton, thats a good idea.. Im just wondering if the companys price would be low enough, guess I will check into it.
greenman, thats what kind of mulch is there already, I figured I would just match it. Any recomendations for a heavier mulch close to the same color? I didnt add the 25% markup for the mulch cost...I probably should. I wound up marking it up about 15%
Just didn't want to bid 2 men 16 hours and find out its going to take longer...:(

timturf
03-11-2003, 11:58 AM
50 yds x $26.00 = $1300.00 cost
16 hrs x $40.00 = $1040.00 cost
Where do you get $1300.00?


On lots 8m to 12m I can spread 1.5 yds/hr by myself. So 50 yds would take 33 hrs, but you have a much great area to cover!
Even if you stock pile in 6 location, each stock pile has beds located in @ 1 acre! Lot of travel time behind a wheel barrow!!!
Don't know how long to do, but can't see it being done in 33 manhours!!

Scraper
03-11-2003, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Randy Scott
You lost me buddy. What does a bed edger have to do with spreading mulch? :)

Nothing...but I wouldn't want to redefine beds on a job that size with a shovel. Maybe I should have clarified that, but I figured people would understand what I meant. Guess not.

P.S. I'm not your buddy, pal.

bastalker
03-11-2003, 12:40 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by timturf
[B]50 yds x $26.00 = $1300.00 cost
16 hrs x $40.00 = $1040.00 cost
Where do you get $1300.00?


16 hours x $40.00 = $640.00 where do you get $1040.00 from:confused:

16 hours x $40.00 per man.....2 men $1280.00 I just rounded up to $1300.00

It took you 33 hours to do 50 yards by yourself. I have 2 people, so 16 hours probably isnt to far off. Maybe I should make it 20 hours.

timturf
03-11-2003, 01:15 PM
Sorry for the bad math!

I don't think you can spread 50yds of mulch on a 6 acre site in 32 manhours, if beds spread out! I spread 20 yds. on 16m size yd in 12 to 13 hrs by myself. Got to spread some between flowers.

Scraper
03-11-2003, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by bastalker
Maybe I should make it 20 hours. [/B]

Why even go by hours other than for your internal figuring? Two guys can get out at least 2 yards an hour. So if you charge a by the yard price of $85, then you're making almost $120/hour or $60/manhour. Still way ahead over charging an hourly rate.

timturf
03-11-2003, 02:34 PM
Price all mulch jobs by the yard. This job would be increased due to extra labor required. AT $40.00/yd install, I still average $35- 40 per hour, and do use these jobs for fillers.

bastalker
03-11-2003, 04:10 PM
Scraper...The only problem with the $4250.00 is I dont think I would get the bid due to it being on the high side. I really want this account, it includes the mowing,trimming,hedges,plowing etc..If I want a chance at it I have to bid the market price for my area pretty close. Just haven't bid a big mulch job like this before..Thanks for the info all...:drinkup:

Scraper
03-11-2003, 04:20 PM
Where in CT are you? Plenty of members here from CT which could provide input. I know in Philly burbs $100/yard installed is becoming the norm for smaller jobs with a decrease for larger. A 50 yard job I would possibly come down to $70 if it were all flat and had a lot of large open spaces for mulching instead of weaving around plant materials. Remember it will take you some time to redefine the beds, if that is part of the bid, so make sure you count that time as well. Hope you get the job.

Scraper
03-11-2003, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by paponte
8-10 yards per hour for two guys is about right, unless the beds are hard to access. :cool:

Mr. Aponte....could you please send me some of your laborers working at that rate! Dam!

site
03-11-2003, 05:32 PM
Your final price as you figured it is pretty good, but you need to find a cheaper price on mulch to make it worthwhile. Also, can you get tractor access to any beds? If so 2 guys could do 50 cy in 1 day easy.

roscioli
03-11-2003, 07:11 PM
I figure just under 1 hour per yard of mulch spread if its a decent amount of moving. That said, I charge $40 / yard to spread, not including cost of materials. If using 50 yards you will want to contact a wholesaler and have them deliver a truckload. Morse Brothers in maine can do it I think, check them out. My charging for this job (assuming walking isn't too bad) would be
$30/yard of mulch
$40/yard for labor
$3500. This includes cleanup, etc.. but not re-defining edges, for which a bed edger should be rented at additional cost.
NOTE: my 30/yard mulch cost includes a hefty markup, contact morse to find out just how much.

paponte
03-11-2003, 07:56 PM
Scraper, we are also allowed to drive on the grass and dump at each bed. Thats when the beds are accessible.


bastalker, I would mark up my mulch 25% which is cheap to me, but will take you up to (rounding up) $33. a yd. Now I don't know how accessible the beds are, and or how many. If you have the mulch delivered I would give the guy a tip and have him make a couple of different drops for you to make your life easier. Without including prep time for beds you should be able to spread 2 Dy an hour each. That comes out to 13 hours. Depending on your prep time you may be in the ballpark with your 16hrs.

Personally I would bid that job between $3500.00 - $3750.00 and that's cheap, just to get the account.

Scraper, also no offense but $100. a yard is a little overkill. 5k for 2 days of work, especially if he wants to win the account. :cool:

wriken
03-11-2003, 09:07 PM
with your price for the mulch, $3500.00 is what I would charge.

Turfdude
03-11-2003, 09:10 PM
We generally get $55/cu yd for dsh mulch (good grade)
For commercial accounts that let us use recycled in that volume we'd get $45/cu yd. These are installed prices. We do of course add in the cost to re-define the bed edges, weed the beds, apply a pre-emergent if required or desired, travel & disposal fees for the dump too.

Generally speaking cost can be as little as $55/yd for this job if weeding isn't too bad & bed edges okay to $80/ yd installed. However, if my mulch cost were closer to $25 per yard, then my prices would be approx $10/yd higher.

Bob

greenman
03-11-2003, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by paponte
8-10 yards per hour for two guys is about right, unless the beds are hard to access.



Mr. Aponte....could you please send me some of your laborers working at that rate! Dam!

.....I can spread 4 to 5 yards in an hour easy. I dont see the big deal. A yard is not very much. Shovel the mulch into the wheel barrow, and dump, repeat, repeat, spread it out as you go along.......

Mike Bradbury
03-12-2003, 01:44 AM
if you're trucking it with a wheelbarrow, no way can you move 5 yds in an hour.

Scraper
03-12-2003, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by Mike Bradbury
if you're trucking it with a wheelbarrow, no way can you move 5 yds in an hour.

Thank-you.



Aponte...$100/yard installed is pretty much the going rate around here. Like I said for jobs over 10 yards it starts going down in price, but for a 3 yard job the customer is looking at about $300. Mulch prices around here for bark is about $23/yard. Ground hardwood is around $21/yard. Also, if you look at my first post I gave a price of $85/yard for this job for a total of $4250. Not too far off from your "cheap" price of $3500-3750 which is $70-75/yard. So I would say we are pretty much in the same ballpark. Agree?

paponte
03-12-2003, 09:24 AM
Agreed... I looked over that post. I just saw $100. a yard.

I find that charging by the yard only, I do not make as much money. Our minimum crew is 3 people, at $60 per man hour. I am better off marking up my product and charging per hour, than a flat rate of $100. :cool: