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mexiking
04-09-2003, 11:49 PM
What do you think of my first software design???

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Lawn-N-Garden Guy
04-09-2003, 11:50 PM
Cool beans,what program is it you use

mexiking
04-09-2003, 11:52 PM
Pro Landscape

ConPro
04-09-2003, 11:55 PM
When planting, ussually use plants with odd numbers. 1-3-5-7, looks "nice" though. even better if it sells a job.

DaddyRabbit
04-10-2003, 07:52 AM
Mexiking, how much does a program like this cost or did you create a "crack" and just copy it? Thanks

mexiking
04-10-2003, 07:01 PM
Crack it? Why do you say that? Because I'm Mexican? :alien:
It costs 1200 for the software. www.prolandscape.com

paponte
04-10-2003, 07:13 PM
It's OK, but I think it's a little proportional. The Pompeii juniper looks like a tree compared to the porch. I can't tell if those are Alberta spruces, or arborvitae, but they are crooked. I guess you can tell by the post that I do landscape design.

Not making fun or putting you down at all. It's creative for your first one. Keep playing with it. Eventually you will know the program in and out, and come up with some really cool things. Your definitely heading in the right direction. Keep it up! :D

Angelo
04-10-2003, 10:07 PM
I had thought about buying that program but wasn't sure how much time it takes to create your desing, how user friendly it is. mexiking or anyone else how long does it take to create the above photo, I am sure there is a learning curve but anything would be fine. Also do you charge to do that for customers, I hate putting a lot of work in a bid when you don't get anywork out if it. I had thought about some sort of fee, and then if they want the work done, to take that off the bill or apply it to another service.

ParkerLawn
04-10-2003, 11:19 PM
Here is a before and after. This is the design I did and then the actual installation.

ParkerLawn
04-10-2003, 11:22 PM
the software design

ParkerLawn
04-10-2003, 11:24 PM
Actual installation

ParkerLawn
04-10-2003, 11:25 PM
I use Pro Landscape and love it. This is just one of the recent jobs we are finishing up. Thought you would like to see the whole process.

mexiking
04-10-2003, 11:32 PM
yeah looks very much the same... nice :)
That was only my first shot at it... I'm getting better by the minute ;-) i'll see how it goes with my first customer if he likes it. So far I'm loving pro landscape though

mexiking
04-10-2003, 11:35 PM
Angelo, that took me like 2 hours to do, you can probably do it faster once you know where everything is. Yes I would charge new customers a fee and take it off if they go for the design, For these I'm doing I won't charge though because they're old school customers and I'm sure they'll go for it. (besides that it's fun designing it)

ParkerLawn
04-10-2003, 11:38 PM
I did this design in less than 5 minutes with proposal and all. I have been doing alot of work with this program and know the ins and outs and where everything is. It is so easy once you use it.

Mike Bradbury
04-11-2003, 01:24 AM
I think it's a bit "busy". Sometimes less is more :)

Mike Bradbury
04-11-2003, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by ParkerLawn
the software design

To "me" that Jap maple(?) should be between the two windows on the right part of the house. Or something even taller. That open "dead" space cries out for some vertical height. And a red leaf looks gorgeous against that brick.
(I do not mean to be at ALL critical. I've done my first 3 plans this spring and am paying a LOT of attention to design details. As a rookie I'm trying hard to learn this as quickly as possible :) Scrutinizing every plan I can feast my eyes on.
Please take my replies as a desire for more conversation about design elements and choosing plants)

mexiking
04-11-2003, 01:40 AM
I think you're right Mike, it's missing something between those windows

Planet Landscaping
04-11-2003, 02:51 AM
Mike, Your right. Need something between single windows. Annuals along front.

Angelo
04-11-2003, 09:37 AM
Ok, it sounds like it is user friendly after you get used to the program. I have another question, for all the designs you do what is a percentage you get them? I did a few designs, (just drawing out designs, then showing pictures where necessary) and I get about 25% of the work and notice that the homeowners will do a lot of it themselves. Is this common with designs, or are my customers cheapos. I am a little on the higher end of prices so I was hoping for 40-50% of the bids i put in.

ParkerLawn
04-11-2003, 09:41 AM
I do agree with you guys but this is a house for a builder who I do their landscaping for. I would usually add something but I have to keep under a certain budget and more trees are where your most expense is going to be. The Jap Maple is perfect fo rits position in this situation because this builder doesn't like anyhting to block the window so when it does grow it will get 4-5' at maturity and still give you a view. I will post another job I did last year that we are remulching in a week or so that is very nice. It was a $16,000 job for a homeowner. This was my biggest residential installation. I will post pics when we get it cleaned up and remulched. Thanks for your suggestions.

ParkerLawn
04-11-2003, 09:43 AM
I have been getting 80% or better of my proposals. I am in the middle of our pricing around here.

KenH
04-11-2003, 09:51 AM
Its hard to tell how much room is between house and walk. A Jap. maple might not fit......

Lombardi
04-11-2003, 10:54 AM
Angelo,
My designs start at $50.00 and go up according to the number of areas to be landscaped. For the design shown by Parker, I would have charged the minimum, $50.00, because it would take less than 30 minutes to complete.
I am similar to Parker on my percentage of successful sales, 80-90%, when using PUNCH. I have customers who do not want to pay a design fee and only want an estimate. That success rate falls dramatically to maybe 10%. I assume that these are the people who are looking for the absolute lowest price regardless of quality.

Angelo
04-11-2003, 11:07 AM
I usually know when I go to bid a job if I got a chance of getting it, the problem with me is my advertising, hits many different markets, so when I get a call from a lower end market I know its a waste of time,(I do get surprised every now and then) but I think if I get this program I can charge them for the time so its not a total waste of me going out to give free design ideas that they then go do.
Last questions: What do you guys expect this program will last in terms of years? Is it like a 3-5yr investment then upgrade the software? I am always leary about software as it seems to be constantly changing. I know its off topic from the original post so no critics. Thanks for all the replies.

ParkerLawn
04-11-2003, 09:26 PM
I truly beleive that Pro Landscape will last for at least 5 yrs unless something really spectactular comes out. You never know with technology though. The plant selection is so vast and realistic in this software and being able to to do night time lighting and then form your proposal through this program, it would be very slim for this program to not last us for a very long time.

Lombardi
04-15-2003, 11:18 PM
Angelo,
You are correct in that these software programs will constantly change. PUNCH offers free down loadable upgrades, but you have to periodically check their website to view the current changes.

bad_chad48
04-17-2003, 01:18 AM
Lombardi,
I have read posts of yours in the past regarding your punch program. I am just curious if you have ever used pro lanscape? If you have, is there any major differences between the two programs? because pro landscape costs about 1300 and I think that punch costs less than 100. why the price difference? Thanks

Lombardi
04-19-2003, 03:54 PM
I have demoed Pro Landscape and was very pleased with its features, but I could not justify the ROI when I can do almost the same things and get the same results with PUNCH. Punch paid for itself with the first job I got using it. Pro has a nice feature of Nightscaping that PUNCH does not and Pro also allows you to show mulch in the beds which displays very nice. As far as the price difference, I am not sure why, but am only guessing that it is due to more R&D and more overhead incurred by Pro. Punch is a very small company in Kansas City.

ZX12R
04-19-2003, 10:55 PM
I bought Punch a month ago but have not used it yet.Do either one of these programs offer any classes? I do not have the time right now to read the entire book. Is it difficult to take a picture of a house and then add plants to that house?

ParkerLawn
04-19-2003, 11:26 PM
Pro Landscape does offer classes on their program and can be scheduled with them. It takes me about 10 min to take apic and add the landscaping to it and do nightscaping as well. It is all how familiar you are with a program. I can go to a site and talk to a customer pull out my laptop and load the digital pic and show them what I have in mind for them. They are sold from that point on. It makes selling landscape jobs 100% easier and much more profittable when you can actually give them a visual of what their home will look like after. Pro Landscape is pricey but I do alot of lighting as well and I look at it that if i can pay for it in 1 job, why not spend the extra and get the better program. Punch is a nice prgram but it is not as realistic and detailed as Pro.

Lombardi
04-20-2003, 11:35 AM
Parker is correct. Once you practice, you will find that it is quite simple to transfer the picture into the program. Keep in mind, with Punch, the picture has to be in bmp. in order for the program to accept it.
I am starting to get into the Nightscaping business and I will seriously be considering buying Pro Landscape because of that feature it has. I know from experience that using digital photos for my landscape designs is a huge selling point and I don't know why the nightscaping side would be any different.

Lanelle
04-20-2003, 03:50 PM
A question about the 2-D portion of ProLandscape. On the demo, they say to choose a size of paper and then the program scales according to the size chosen. Does that lock in the size of the scale of the drawinig or can you print it on a different size later or rescale the plan? Also, does it end up using odd size scales rather than standard 1/8", 1/4", 1/10"? If so, how do the install crews work off of it?

ParkerLawn
04-20-2003, 10:49 PM
The 2-D portion is to give realistic settings. It allows you to place plants at realistic sizes and spaces. You can print any size you need depending on your printer for blue print plans for your workers. I use a standard printer that has the actual spacing and plants to be installed scaled out for them. It is very simple.

Lanelle
04-20-2003, 11:13 PM
The demo makes it sound like a person is designing 'on paper' rather than designing at full scale which is then scaled for the printer. At what scale do your plans print?

ParkerLawn
04-20-2003, 11:53 PM
You scale it however you want it. There are like 20 different scales to choose from. It also has an autosize scale whichis what I use for what your printer is setup to do. I go in and set all of the actual measurements and placement of the plants and print off copies for each man on the job to refer too. It can be setup to print multiple pages for larger scales if needed but it will scale to whatever you are wanting.