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maxrep12
06-08-2003, 08:59 PM
I am making the switch for 2004 from cutting to fertilization. I'll be getting my applicators license over the winter. My 185 cutting acounts have been spoken for at the end of this season as well as most of my equipment.

This allows me to spend a decent amount of money on fert equipment. I have been interested in the Ride On Ultra and it sounds like most of the previous issues with the unit have been addressed, crosses fingers. In Michigan where I work, there are not to many fences. If I am able to do effective fert and weed control with the ride on, do I really need to purchase a spray tank? I have the finances to get a cab over truck with a big spray tank. The spray tank also takes up space and I would almost rather spend some money on a $7000 z-spray aerator instead.

Any thoughts on going this route?

Bryant
06-08-2003, 10:22 PM
maxrep12, if you currently own ztr rider you can ad the GATOR RATOR for about the 1/3 the cost. also have a higher rate of productivity. Sizes are 31.5" ( $2499.00) and 54"($2999.00) aeration swath.

maxrep12
06-08-2003, 11:21 PM
Thanks for your reply. What about the number of cores per square foot and core depth? Also, selling the ztr and the add on price may be a wash compared to buying the z plugger on its own. Food for thought though!

LAWNGODFATHER
06-09-2003, 12:30 AM
For the PG unit you will still need a nurse tank.

I have used up the full 200gal of my skid sprayer and still needed more to complete they day with blanket apps.

A pickup can do just fine with the PG, you only need that much for one application, and I don't spread much fert on that visit.

grassguy_
06-09-2003, 08:46 PM
With the PG ride-on's you'll do well with a nurse tank from 25-50 gallons in which to fill your unit with through the day. I've used the 200-300 gallon sprayers but will admit the advantages with the ride-ons more than offset having the big spray tanks to worry about and all the mixing issues, IMO.

Lawn Tek
06-09-2003, 09:24 PM
Think a female could operate the P G ? Got one who wants to start doing apps , but has a bad knee .

L G F how reliable has yours been ?

LAWNGODFATHER
06-10-2003, 12:39 AM
The nurse tank; I figure my 200gal will do 800,000 sqft.

a 50gal will do 200,000 sqft ( with some of my lawns this will blanket about 1.5 lawns, so tank size is too small, however I will use a 30gal once I don't need to carry 200 gal)

Takes some getting used to with upper body, and leaning when you are supposed to.

Throttle cable broke on mine in the first 6 hours, while I was on the phone to get one, they forgot to send my spare parts kit, so they sent me that and the throttle cable next day air, and the spare parts kit has one in it also.

179 hours basically trouble free so far.

Nothing like cutting your app time in half.

Runner
06-10-2003, 03:35 PM
Maxrep12,
How long have you been certified and spraying? Who did you work for previously? Where abouts are you? We're up in the Flint area.

philk17088
06-10-2003, 05:42 PM
LGF,
What's the smallest lawn you would use a ride-on on?

grassguy_
06-10-2003, 08:26 PM
3 units have over 800 hours and are going well. There have been breakdowns but for the most part perma green has been quick at getting parts delivered like LGF indicated most times they're next day UPS or some carrier. I wouldn't have a problem with a girl using one but it does take some upper body strength to manuever day in and day out. I even noticed some aching ribs and abs the first few days of use, but nothing too bad. I would recommend they be only used on 8 ,000 sq ft or higher lawns, just because there isn't much time savings unless you're having to spray all the time.

maxrep12
06-10-2003, 09:05 PM
Runner,

I have not yet been certified in Michigan. I have been certified though many years ago in both CA and Utah. I was quite young then and was not prepared to handle the advertizing and office work related to the larger customer base that fertilization requires. Hopefully I'm prepared at this point.

LAWNGODFATHER
06-10-2003, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by philk17088
LGF,
What's the smallest lawn you would use a ride-on on? I've put it on around 1000sqft, but hosed the lawn with weed control. I could have sprayed it though.

The thing is a tight lawn with flower beds on both sides or shrubs that grow to the ground are what will stop the PG from going into an area for spraying, but I have yet to be stopper just using fert, with the exception of a small gate.

grassguy_
06-13-2003, 10:08 PM
I've come to a point where I think its just easier to have a second man, an assistant to edge and do the paperwork while the actual tech does the dry app and spot with the ride-on! they'll together get another 5-10 lawns done and a better job. Does anyone else do their treatments that way?

LAWNGODFATHER
06-13-2003, 10:30 PM
Sometimes I have someone cut in for me with a back pack.

But for the most part, on a regular basis I blanket the lawn and the next visit, I back pack to edge where I didn't get before.

Out in the lawn I spot spray with the PG.

And yes the 5-10 more lawns a day is wonderful, but only at a minimum labor expense.

HBFOXJr
06-17-2003, 04:47 PM
I've used a helper but anymore I don't think it is worth it. If your skilled and not too nuerotic you can do most anything with the PG and a helper is standing a lot. I just don't have to spend that much time on hand trim and blow off.

If I have width I skip the hand edging and just back off the bed enough to run the regular nozzles and trim that way. I use the bottle that comes with the unit for other stuff. I hate stuff on my back anymore. I think I'll go with hand carry the next tri[p when I want to spot treat with some MSMA, Drive etc.

Any lawn the unit will physically fit on is fine with me. I keep a Scotts handheld in the hopper at all times and a Lesco push on the truck for old times sake except for 2 lawns. I don't even want lawns that I can't use the PG on anymore.

grassguy_
06-22-2003, 12:54 AM
That's what I'm trying to figure I know I personally can take the Ride-on and do most any lawn and even edge fairly decent but when I send someone else I know they don't always edge the best , so I feel having someone, (minimal labor cost), doing edging and getting paperwork done while the lead guy does the Ride-on work will do a better job and also get more done. We're applying grub treatments as well now so using the push spreader for those situations keeps the Ride-on for use with othr fert products. Just My opinion, but open to suggestions.

Hamons
06-25-2003, 09:50 AM
Word of caution -- I was talking to a buddy that is the commercial accounts manager for fairly good sized lawn company here in town and he was complaining about the PG.

He said their spray guy had done well over $5,000 in damage to shrubs and plants. He didn't think it was the PG's fault -- but it makes a careless spray tech very dangerous!!!!

I think it would be great for a highly qualified person -- but I would have reservation about turnign just anyone loose with one.

just my $.02

LAWNGODFATHER
06-25-2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Hamons
Word of caution -- I was talking to a buddy that is the commercial accounts manager for fairly good sized lawn company here in town and he was complaining about the PG.

He said their spray guy had done well over $5,000 in damage to shrubs and plants. He didn't think it was the PG's fault -- but it makes a careless spray tech very dangerous!!!!

I think it would be great for a highly qualified person -- but I would have reservation about turnign just anyone loose with one.

just my $.02 So sending out some idiot who doesn't know what he's doing is the right thing to do?

ANY I mean ANY system of applicating cides can do damage in the wrong unqualified hands.

Not to sound ignorant to you, but a word of caution about some one else's practice with the machine is not worth posting about.

The machine does not spray anywhere it is not supposed to, the operator tells it where to spray. So who's fault is it when the spray goes somewhere it's not supposed to go?

Hamons
06-25-2003, 04:18 PM
We agree LGF --

I was agreeing with Grassguy that it would be best to keep the PG in the hands of someone who does a good job and related a story about what a careless person does.

Terribly sorry to take up your valuable time reading my worthless comments.

LAWNGODFATHER
06-25-2003, 04:35 PM
Nononono Just missunderstood what you were saying.

grassguy_
06-27-2003, 09:56 PM
Jeff,
Glad you made mention of that, it brings up a point that anyone using these machine has to use some common sense. I can honsetly say however that guys at times will challenge themselves to get edges or around some tight areas. This is what I don't want and obviously worth firing them over if they're that careless. This reinforces my idea that having the extra guy to edge out and get paperwork filled out, does help both at being more productive but also can act as a checks-and-balance system. I appreciate your bringing this up Jeff!