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rvsuper
06-20-2003, 01:33 AM
I'm in the market for a new blower to clear off cart paths of clippins, leaf removal in the fall. It will be used about maybe an hour a day to clear cart paths, that's about it.

I'm considering a Echo PB-403. How does this blower compare to the blower that I mistakenly sold when I sold the business.....a Redmax eb7001?

vipermanz
06-20-2003, 01:55 AM
honestly, No Contest. The only echo that comes close to a Eb7001 is the pb650/pb750

Grass Master
06-20-2003, 06:14 AM
You need to step up to the PB-650!!

Tons of power and very quiet...all we use now.

If money is the issue, the PB-403 will do a nice job but does not have the power of the PB-650...any Echo backpack is a good purchase in my book! (The Redmax is a good blower as well but it does not put out the CFM of the PB-650)

rockcreeklawnser.
06-20-2003, 10:06 AM
I just bought the echo pb 650 abput 3 weeks ago. I give it about the same kind of use that you described. I did not know what a blower was until I bought this one! Incredible power!

BSDeality
06-20-2003, 10:18 AM
i just bought a echo PB-750T a few weeks ago. It was a little pricey (for a part timer) but i really like it. and it'll make my life a h3ll of a lot easier in the fall with the leaves.

BSDeality
06-20-2003, 10:19 AM
btw, a pb-750 is the exact same model as a pb-650 except it's got a huge air filter on it.

rvsuper
06-20-2003, 10:22 AM
Do the PB-650/750 have tube mounted throttle? I'm looking at the 403 mainly because it has tube mounted throttle, but yet I don't need a big as blower as the 650/750. Opinions?

BSDeality
06-20-2003, 10:34 AM
i believe you can get them with or without tube mounted throttles. I have a tube mounted one with the throttle lock at any rpm.

rvsuper
06-20-2003, 10:42 AM
I also noticed it has electric start???

BSDeality
06-20-2003, 10:48 AM
I don't think there is an option for electric start.


here's a good spec's chart (http://www.mayberrys.com/echo/blowers/backpack.htm) on the Echo backpack blowers.

rockcreeklawnser.
06-20-2003, 10:53 AM
I don`t know about the electric start.Mine does have the tube throttle,with the lock.My only beef is that the recoil start does pull a little hard due to the high compression,but it starts in one pull,hot or cold. To me an electric start would be an added expense.My dealer said that the only difference in the 750 and the 650 other than the filter was that the 750 was 1 decible quieter.I can`t see whre the price difference is justifiable.

rockcreeklawnser.
06-20-2003, 10:59 AM
I would recommend the 650 200 mph air flow as compared to 160,You don`t have to run it wide open,but the power is there if you need it.IMO You would be better to have the power and not need it, than to not have it when the going gets tough.

BSDeality
06-20-2003, 11:06 AM
rockcreaklawnuser, i assume you have the 650? just curious how much you payed, my dealer said there was only a $20 price difference between the 650 and 750. also the 750 has better straps.

i paid $480 for my 750, closer to $500 with tax.

rvsuper
06-20-2003, 04:33 PM
I ordered a Echo PB-403 with tube-mounted throttle. The PB-260 that we have here now is just a little underpowered for what I need and it's on it's last straw, so I just went up one model larger and got the PB-403. 365.00 Alamia.com

blairbuc
06-20-2003, 08:14 PM
for some reason last year I looked up the Echo 650 and the EB7001 to look at the specs of both. I thought there was about a dog hair of difference. Last year everyone was EB7001 crazy, now reading this thread its all 650 and 750 Echo, so what happened.

Grass Master
06-20-2003, 08:27 PM
Blair....

The Echo PB-650/750 has more power than the EB-7001... a lot more power...period!! The 7001 has less CFM than the old 7000...

Also, the Echo blowers are a lot quieter which makes a BIG difference!!

I think that I have tried them all at the different shows/open houses and, for my money, nothing compares to the Echo blowers!!

2 year commercial warranty as well on the Echo backpacks..no extra fees or hoops that you have to jump though..

Parts and service availability is much better in my area as well...

Albemarle Lawn
06-20-2003, 08:47 PM
The 7001 has the "air conditioned" pad that circulates air through the back pad.

I own both the 7000 and the 7001. You cannot tell the difference in power between them.

If there is a slightly lower CFM with the 7001 then it could probably be attributed to the re-routing of some air through the back pad. In reality, there is no difference.

KB

Joel B.
06-20-2003, 10:23 PM
Try the PB-603, it has a tube mounted throttle.

grassdaddy
06-20-2003, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by rvsuperintendant
I'm in the market for a new blower to clear off cart paths of clippins, leaf removal in the fall. It will be used about maybe an hour a day to clear cart paths, that's about it.

I'm considering a Echo PB-403. How does this blower compare to the blower that I mistakenly sold when I sold the business.....a Redmax eb7001?

I have had a 403 for about a year,honestly-its a pig!Its probably about half as strong as a 7001 or a pb650/750.IF yor gonna lug one around in the heat,spend the extra 100.The 403 has been trouble free,and its very easy to start, its just not in the same class with 60ccrs. in juice.:)

Movinfr8
06-21-2003, 12:01 AM
I've been tickled with my 403--$300 at home depot--Till now, that is!! I hadn't noticed it being underpowered. Would definitly like to try the bigger one now!

TLS
06-21-2003, 12:10 AM
The 45cc class is O.K. for small stuff, but for $100 more the 65cc class is almost twice as powerful. Lets put it this way, my old Lesco/Echo 44cc backpack had a curved pipe at the end. Worked great. Then I got the PB-650 and WOW, but no curved pipe :mad: Well, I found out that they DO have a curved pipe available and bought it for like $6.00. What a mistake! You need to use both arms to hold the tube handle from blowing backward! Now I'm back to the straight tube!

Also, I'm still on my original air filter after a full season+!!! No need for a bigger air filter for me!

Mark P
06-21-2003, 12:25 AM
:) I got a pb-601 echo and its got alot of power, not near as much as my shindaiwa eb-630, but it still has 525 cfm at tube end with the throttel on the tube, must be the 603 model now they change every year....but they have 58-1/2 cc's......Marks Mowing Service

ULTIMATE LAWN
06-21-2003, 12:30 AM
Echo 750.

Beats the RedMax by a hair.


I have both.

65hoss
06-21-2003, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by Albemarle Lawn
I own both the 7000 and the 7001. You cannot tell the difference in power between them.

If there is a slightly lower CFM with the 7001 then it could probably be attributed to the re-routing of some air through the back pad. In reality, there is no difference.

KB

I have both the 7000 and 7001 and anyone who uses them can tell a difference. The 7001 is definately more powerful and noticably so. The 7001 has 125 cfm more. At least for mine, the 7001 is the easy winner.

Grass Master
06-21-2003, 06:01 PM
Hoss,

you must have a "special" 7001 'cause I have run both as well and the 7000 out performed the 7001 by a hair..

The PB-650 has more power than both of them.....quite a bit more in my humble opinion plus, the major bonus is the PB-650 is much quieter and my customers really appreciate that!

rvsuper
06-26-2003, 02:04 PM
Went and got it today.....here is a pic.

FrankenScagMachines
06-26-2003, 02:18 PM
I'm surprised you are not thinking about a push blower since it's for a golf course. Hope you like what you got and I'm sure it gets used plenty.

rvsuper
06-26-2003, 05:58 PM
We don't have enough cart paths to justify a push blower, so this is the next best thing. It maybe gets used 45 minutes each day.

cos
06-26-2003, 06:40 PM
I have one of those!!!! Had mine for about 5 years and No complaints. Love both of them (2). :)

rvsuper
06-26-2003, 08:26 PM
Dana,

Any problems with them?

Heron Cove PM
06-26-2003, 09:18 PM
Not sure about the Red Max; I had to buy a 403. It's definitely not as powerful as my Lesco LBB-4200 (that took a dump). I would have liked to had the bigger blower, but here in Montgomery County, Maryland, we have a decibel law and the 403 was the largest model I could buy. The decibel law sucks; first offense is $500.00 and additional offenses are $700.00. I think it's pretty bogus because the County Gov't itself doesn't adhere to it. I'm pretty happy with it so far. It does well on the light work. I haven't had a chance to put it in any leaves or anything else heavy.

Good Luck with your purchase.

Marshall

Buba
06-26-2003, 09:26 PM
The most powerful blower is the Red Max Eb7001. 3 lbs lighter and a little more power. A true 2 year warranty, no gimmicks. Demo everything and then make your own decision.

dcondon
06-26-2003, 09:54 PM
check out the Husky !!!

rvsuper
06-26-2003, 10:49 PM
Back when I was a LCO, I had a Husky, after that took a **** on me I got a Redmax, which again, I sold mistakenly..thinking that I wouldn't need it.

Ferdelance
06-26-2003, 11:04 PM
I live in Montgomery County MD and I bought and use the pb650. I know about the decibal ordinance. Just use your blower responsibly and not at full throtle early in the morning.

Heron Cove PM
06-26-2003, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by Ferdelance
I live in Montgomery County MD and I bought and use the pb650. I know about the decibal ordinance. Just use your blower responsibly and not at full throttler early in the morning.

I do, but you know the people here... It only takes I jerk to turn me in.

Ferdelance
06-26-2003, 11:39 PM
I know

crazyscaper
07-03-2003, 08:47 PM
i currently own a redmax eb7000, this machine is great, have had no problems and is very powerful

Buba
02-03-2004, 09:03 PM
Here is some useful info. The Redmax EB7001 is 3 lbs lighter weight than the Echo 650. It also blows a little more. As far as DB's, they are very close.

Buba
02-03-2004, 09:13 PM
65hoss, you are correct. The EB7001 blows just a little more than the EB7000. Change in the elbow tube diameter. Also minor changes to the engine. Have a great year.