Trucks

[southside]

Was wondering what all you blokes are using<br>to transport your gear around? I am curious<br>why use large trailers on the back of a ute<br>(pick-up) when you can put all your gear on<br>the back of a larger truck (2 tonner) and<br>have more manauverability and economy.<br>I run a '73 International Acco (Australian<br>Constructed Cabover) 2050A 6 tonner with a<br>V555 Cummins 8.3 litre v8 diesel @210 hp<br>with a 10 speed direct Eaton Roadranger<br>for the tractor and I have just bought a 1990<br>Mitsubishi Canter 3.9 litre 4cyl diesel<br>2 tonner for the mowing gear.<br>Just curious to see what you all run<p>Karl

[thelawnguy]

I use a 95 Dodge 2500 4wd pickup (8800 gvw) with a 5x12 trailer with 24 inch sides. If I didnt have to plow snow I would use a 1/2 ton pickup 6 cyl 8 foot bed and trailer.<p>Bill

[scottlawns]

i use a 96 F350 ....i would use smaller to if i didnt plow but for plowing i like a truck that dont sack out.maybe even if i didnt plow i still would probaly have i one ton,i guess i just like the bigger truck look.but the gas prices are getting tough.

[lawrence stone]

thelawnguy wrote:<p>&gt;I use a 95 Dodge 2500 4wd pickup (8800 gvw) with a 5x12 trailer with 24 inch sides. <p>Why don't you buy a handy ramp end gate and<br>leave the trailer home? Are you bagging grass<br>and need the bed for waste? Your 48&quot; mower<br>should fit thru the wheel wells.

[Jason]

I have a '78 Ford F-250. Mildly built 460, C-6, Np205 t-case, Dana 60 axles(1 ton), hi-boy springs with helper springs from 73-77 F250. Axles and springs make the truck a 1-ton. GVW is 14,000. 35x12.50x16.5 BFG's. Truck is also a Supercab which is nice to store extra stuff in.<br> I just can't imagine shelling out 30,000+ on a new truck, when there are so many good older units on the market for a fraction of the price. Who cares if you beat on the older truck a bit, but if I owned a newer truck I sure would be hesitant about getting the paint scratched. Sure they are more reliable, but that's not an issue for me. When I bought my truck it had the anemic 351m which I promptly yanked and sold, and then installed a freshly warmed 460. If I have troubles with my truck I fix it myself and save the outrageous labor prices. Somewhere down the line I want to swap in a Powerstroke, than I'll have modern diesel power for a lot less than buying new. But that another post in itself.

[crabber]

'89 k1500 CHEVY towing 14'x 6' tandem.

[thelawnguy]

lawrence,<p>I used to ramp my 38 inch JD but now I have a 52 inch turf tracer, its a bear getting it up and over the wheel well all the time, and the gate on the truck is 34 inches from the ground plus with the trailer I can have room for mower, trim mower, hand blower, wheeled blower for the heavy clippings trimmer on a rack, and maybe trim a hedge or edge a walk and be able to dump the stuff in the bed. Also, the trailers small enough so it will fit in my garage, plus the hitch ball is mounted on an extended receiver so I can jacknife the trailer at the landfill and unload the truck without unhitching everything.<p>I like your setup but its just not practical with my customers and my equipment needs.<p>Bill

[MTS Services]

I have a 99 f-350 with the v10 and a 7x20 trailer. The reason for the large trailer is because I also do demolition derby's so it doubles as a car hauler. The other reason is that I hate to have all my equiptment just crammed on my trailer.<br>Matt

[DMC300]

I RUN A 99' CHEVY 1/2 TON EXT.CAB WITH A 7X16 OPEN. I WISH I WOULD'VE KEPT MY OLD K-5 BLAZER I'VE ALREADY RUINED THE NEW ONE,INSIDE & OUT. NOT ENOUGH SUSPENSION FOR MY EQUIPMENT. DOES ANYBODY USE THE CAB-OVER DUMPS WITH THE ROLL-OFF BEDS FOR THIER EQUIP.?<p>----------<br>DON<br>LIANNES' MOWING

[bw]

this is embarressing, but i use a 92 2.3 4cyl ford ranger, (don't laught it's payed for), i'm just starting out, i'm getting a trailer (5 x 10) then a truck with more power, Probably 6 cylinder, then some better equipment, not necessarily in that order.

[RYAN]

I just bought a 1994 Chevy C1500 in mint condition. (hopefully I can keep it that way)<br>I used to also drive a four cylinder Ranger last year. It wasn't fun but it paid off. I also use a 5x8 trailer and I definately need a larger one. That will likely be my next purchase.

[bw]

what kind of equip. do you have? mowers and such

[lawnman]

I use a 96 dodge 1500 ext cab 4x4 6ft bed with a 7.5 boss plow . A 97 GMC 1 ton dump 4x4 with 9ft western plow. The gmc is the last gm i will buy, it's in the shop more than on the road with only 30 k on it. Trailer is 7x14 enclosed.<p>----------<br>spreble<br>

[plowking35]

What type of problems are you having with the gmc. I have 36K on my 98 and very few problems<p>----------<br> Professional Ice and Snow Management <br>Products:Services:Equipment www.sima.org

[steveair]

Hey, <br>I had a 97 chevy 1500 extended cab 4X4, and had a funny steering problem with it on the front end. I heard it was a problem in a lot of the 1500. Sound familiar to anyone? When driving, all of a sudden it would just want to turn off the road, even though the wheel was held straight. Felt real funny, and scared the daylights out of me (and a date or two).I got rid of the truck for a 2wd sonoma (ya, that really sucked), but I drive to far and couldn't afford the mileage for my full time job (or the payments for that matter) <p>Just figured I'd metion this since the quesiton was asked.

[tjg]

You must have got one that was built on Monday. I had a 1994 GMC w/165,000 on it when I sold it just about 16 months ago and I know the people that drive it for farm use everyday a they still have NO problems w/ it I did have to change the exhaust manifolds. Now I have a 99 Chevy Z-71 1/2ton and a 85 Chevy 3/4ton 4x4 both pull either the 7x20' bumper or 24' lowboy gooseneck trailers all the time.<br><p>----------<br>T.J. Greenfield<br>

[yardsmith]

I started out with an 85 Toyota 2wd pickup & threw everything in the back, then got a 4x10 I rebuilt & used for 2 more years. <br>Then a bigger mower came into the picture, & needed a bigger trailer. Then a bigger truck to pull all that. So I got a 16 tandem axle tr. W/ dual mesh gates, EZ lube hubs, etc. Heavy, but nice. Had that for 2 yrs., now I have my 20' tandem axle with a back mesh gate & a side gate too for the WB. I'm still pulling it with my 87 1/2 ton silverado 4x4, which got a performance engine rebuild this winter. Paid too much for labor; next time I'll know better. <br>You can see the pics of the truck & my smoky burnouts on the snowplow forum under a post Chuck started-&quot;guys & our equipment&quot;. Hopefully I'll get it repainted this yr. & get a Dodge Ram by 2001 or 2002. <p>----------<br>Smitty ô¿ô<br>

[plowking35]

GM has alot of pitman arm problems, I had mine changed at 32000K and the front end is like new now. I will only buy GM motors from now on. The goodwrench engines are cheap and the warranty is awesome.Wait till you drive a new duramax GM this fall. I hear they are awesome.<br>

[steveair]

Hey plowking,<p>That sounds right. My friend had the same truck/year i did and had the same problem, but got it fixed. Now that you said it, thats what I remember hearing him say it was.<br>Is this common on all the classes, or just the half tons?<p>

[lawnman]

The problems i have had with my GMC is, the front dif leaks once year, 2 alts 1 intake gasket,2 fual pumps, pait cracking, every once in a while it pulls to the left all of a sudden and to many small things to mention. My 87 GMC was good truck. I had that truck for 187,ooo. my 78 dodge was a good truck too 250,000. miles.<p>----------<br>spreble<br>

[jb lawn]

i use a 96 f-250 with a 351 pulling a 20' trailer,it does a good job , but for the loads we pull it is underpowered. i am purchasing a 2000 f-550 with a 19' landscape body.

[Hardy Enterprises]

I have a 99 F350 with the powerstroke diesel. I have a 16' tandem axle bumper pull for residential and small commercial jobs. For the big industrial jobs I pull a 36' tandem dual gooseneck.<p>Jay

[grasscapeinc]

2000 Chevy Blazer 2-door 4x4<br>2000 Haulmark Vnose 6x15 enclosed trailer<br>

[mikeslawncare]

I use a 1997 Ford F-350 4x4 Dump Truck with a Powerstroke diesel, auto trans, and 4.10 gears to pull a 6x18 10,000lb. custom made equipment trailer. Nothing beats a Powerstroke for economy and durability.

[John DiMartino]

Economy leader and durability leader,what do you have to back your claim?You must be going downhill a lot (LOL),because I bet my truck that I can go farther on a gallon of fuel in my 96 Cummins,and it will outlast your PSD a couple of times over.I think the PSD is a good motor,dont get me wrong,but its not in the same league as Cummins.These are problem areas:Cavitation,turbo's going out,bolts falling out of turbo's,leaky valve covers,glow plugs(real diesels dont have these)injectors$$$at 3000 a set,and too high EGT's from too small an intercooler.If you think yours is more durable,I'd like to show you some million mile 5.9's that run as good as new.A PSD could never go that far,its not designed to.<p>----------<br>John D<br>

[mikeslawncare]

John D.,<br>I have not had any of these problems with my PSD. Like your Dodge, Ford's warranty also covers the diesel engines for 100,000 miles.<p>P.S.<br> I'll see you in my rearview mirror when the time comes to go up a hill pulling close to 16,000 lbs. GCW

[mattingly]

I just bought an 88 IVECO 14' box truck. It's diesel 4 cylinder, runs like a champ, and best of all I have a 14'x10' rolling advertisement. Basically, I am going to make it into one of those Superlawn Trucks. Any of you guys out there know who I should get to put up the racks and things like on the superlawntruck? I am not going to do it myself, that's out of the question.<br>Later,<p>----------<br>Integrated Landscape Solutions<br>Lexington, KY

[lawrence stone]

Order a custom made handy ramp end gate<br>for the 14' box truck.

[QLC]

Mattingly,<br>Looks like we are neighbors. I live in Versailles and do most of my work there. Are you strictly landscape or do you mow too? We could be competitors also. I'm running an add in the Herald next week. I work in a factory too, but in the next couple of years I would like to be able to go full time lawn service.<p>Brook Haynes<br>Quality Lawn Care

[John DiMartino]

Mike,my truck is putting 635ft/lbs of torque and 250HP+ to the wheels,You have no chance of seeing me in your mirror,I eat PSD's for lunch,stock,you are right id lose,but 300 bucks later you dont have prayer,and without an intercooler(big$$$)You are very limited as to gains.The only reason the cummins isnt fast stock is so it wont rip itself out the LD pickup frame with abusive driving,simply putting in the torque plate out of a higher HP application from Marine or MD truck will make it blow away the PSD.I'm glad yours is trouble free,My dodge has been better than most give credit for too.<p>----------<br>John D<br>

[EarthWorks]

Run 97 f250 4wd and 94 f250 2wd and 82 dodge van. OK the van is my portable storage (sprinkler parts). I would not have anything less than a 3/4 ton. I wouldn't mind a 1 ton if the back tires didn't stick out. Also I think the cab forward trucks are a good idea but I can't see driving the kids to ball practice in one. My work truck is also my personal truck. Both fords have 351's. I am leaning toward a diesel on next purchase but not sure about the noise. I need the power though because of moving Bobcat etc.

[nlminc]

John, Did you hear that dodge will not be using the Cummins after next year. They are going to switch to a Benz diesel engin! Now that Ford owns Cummins, I wouldn't be surprised to see it pop into the Ford SD's in the future, there was talk of them going with another diesel motor down the road. I have owned both Ford PSD and Dodge with the Cummins, had no problem with the Cummins, it was just the rest of the truck. Ford, GM have more experience making heavy duty trucks and they do it right. I'm picking up my 3rd Ford f350 psd tomorrow I have no complaints about the others I have.

[Victor]

Hi John. I'm sure your truck is really nice, but you're comparing apples to oranges here. If you want to talk about trucks that DODGE builds, compared to trucks FORD builds, the PSD will leave you in the dust. I test drove both the PSD, and the Cummins. I sometimes need to tow very heavy loads down the highway, and I'm here to tell you. A stock Cummins engine equipped Dodge truck isn't as good as a Ford PSD equipped truck if you want to be able to maintain speed on hills. The Cummins just doesn't make enough power. It's too small (5.9 liters compared to Ford's 7.3). The PSD will out excellerate the Cummins all day long, and out pull it too. That's why so many more people go with the PSD's. Another thing that I didn't like about the Cummins was the way I had to keep the rpms up to keep the engine in it's powerband. I'm sure the cummins will last longer, but I don't plan on keeping any one truck long enough to rack up a million miles. <p>If you want to talk aftermarket kits. You can buy a banks turbo, and blow away the aftermarket kits fo the Cummins.<p>Victor (a very happy PSD owner)

[tjg]

I have seen that Chevy/GMC trucks will have the Isuzu Diesel called Duramax it will have more power than the PSD and Cummins, them two have 235 hp it's suppose it have 300hp and 520ft torque more torque than both, also it's suppose to be the quietist diesel ever made it's coming out in the late fall. I did have a new Dodge quad cab short bed w/the Cummins 5spd and it didn't do near as good as everyone said it would do only got 12-14 mpg pulling my 20ft bumper mount trailer. <p>----------<br>T.J. Greenfield<br>

[osc]

The truck in our arsenal that impresses me the most is an 89' nissan 1/2 ton 2 wheel drive. Pound for pound and inch for inch I can't believe what this truck will pull. It's best to have trailor brakes for sure when using a small truck. This nissan seems to have a low center of gravity and actually pulls better than some full size 1/2 tons we use.

[fireball]

mattingly<p>Go to www.ironshop.com and talk to them via e-mail. Talk to Alex the shop forman. They build folding ramps out of expanded metal for all kinds of trucks. their ramps can handle a skid steer. they use a spring setup so one guy can pick up the gate. The superlawn truck has two hydralic rams that make the ramp go up and down but you spend a lot of dollars for that electric-hydralic configration.

[ZYAL8R]

94 ford f-150, 302 v8, auto, longbed. and AC!!!

[John DiMartino]

Victor,I know the psd will outpull a Cummins auto stock,and Im glad you like yours-I think its a good work truck.But,when modified the PSD is in the dust-go get your 3000 dollar banks kit,ill put a 300 dollar torque plate and a 500 set of injectors in and its over.A 5spd ram can make 400HP/1000ft lbs at the rear wheels for $500 dollars,A psd cant even come close,just because Banks kit only has 260 HP,doesnt mean there isnt more.TST is where its at for Ram owners,if you want to throw away money on low power,buy Banks.A stock Cummins can handle over 45PSI of turbo boost,with a thicker headgasket 60PSI has been hit by some guys.A PSD would blow the crank out and pop the heads off if you tried this with it.That is why a 5.9 can blow off a 7.3,its getting twice the fuel/air at high boost,which the PSD would blow up at.As for a narrow powerband,mine starts at 1400 and pulls hard to 2600,with my little 250 plate(The most the stock trans can handle)I drove a PSD and I wasnt impressed,no power until 2200,then it pulled good till 3100 where it sounded like it was going to blow.At highway speed with 3.73 it was below the powerband and had to be downshifted like my 350 to pull,then it was good.My truck is in its powerband 1800 at 70mph,and I have never needed to drop a gear unless a car made me slow down.Stock I had to drop sometimes.I hope the Duramax blows everyone away,that way Ford and dodge will make them faster too.I like the PSD,but for max power nothing beats a Cummins.If you know of a PSD that will beat DR performance's 635 HP/1400 FT/lb at wheels '99 24 Valve Cummins I will apologize and take it back.That is on diesel fuel-no propane,and lots of boost.<p>----------<br>John D<br>

[thelawnguy]

John,<p>your wasting your time talking up Cummins to the Ford guys, some folks never learn, just keep going to the blue oval like flies to stink.<p>My buddy just turned in his Freightliner, 1996, with the same Cummins B engine as the Ram, 530,000 miles, still runs strong, I have yet to see a 7.3 Navistar with over 200k that wasnt huffing and puffing great blue clouds of burned Rotella. The Cummins is just broken in by then.<p>Yup, a new powersmoke may outpull a Cummins uphill but it wont do it for long.<p>Bill<p>PS to nlminc Ford does NOT own Cummins, and Dodge has Cummins scheduled as an option for the 2002 model year and beyond. Actually next year is the last year for the powersmoke, Navistar has discontinued the ol converted gasser from the 70s and is replacing it with an all-new designed-as-a-diesel-from-the-ground-up engine I believe its a 6.0 liter but may be wrong on the displacement.

[nlminc]

Bill, Ford has owned Cummins for at least 2 years now and I read in last weeks Boston Globe Auto section that the Cummins is being discontinued (in dodge trucks)after 2001 or 2002 and being replaced with a Benz diesel. Only sharing with you what I read from a reliable source.<br>I'm not a Cummins diesel trasher, I just like the Fords. I got my opinion, you got yours and the guy up the street has his, no big deal. Like I said before I have owned both and have had more problems with the truck surrounding the Cummins. I doubt that if Dodge replaces the Cummins for the Benz diesel that it is for any fault on Cummins. I've also read that Ford may discontinue the Powerstoke and go with another. The next few years should be interesting for GM, Ford and Dodge loyalist, lets hope this will benifit us all.<p>Chris <p>

[bobbylawn]

1997 GMC 1500 ext. cab 5.7 liter 350 engine the best truck i've ever used.

[accuratelawn]

98 F-150 v-6. If you are thinking about buying a truck, purchased at least 3/4 ton v-8.

[lawrence stone]

You can do a lot with a light duty pickup<br>with a six if you change the rear axle<br>to 4.10, 4.54, or even a stump pulling<br>5.13 ratio with a limited slip diff.

[Alan]

For what it's worth, the newer GM pickups with &quot;speed sensitive&quot; steering are having problems with the sensors going bad. Makes for some interesting twitches in the steering. I understand that National Highway Transportation Safety Board is looking into it as a possible mandated recall. Cure for now is to change a sensor that is located on the steering column. Our 97 K-2500 is starting to act up so it's due for a trip to the shop. We have the sensor but it looks like too much of a pain to replace it ourselves.

[Turf Cutters]

We use a 97 Ford F250HD 4x4 crew cab with auto transmission and the 460 V8. Also use a Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 with auto transmission and the V10. This truck is used mainly for towing the trailors and snow removal. I have had very good luck with both. <p>

[Alan]

Well,, I know it's not for everyone, but my main truck is a '91 S-10. Spends the summer towing a 14 ft trailer with a hydro walk and a Lazer Z on board. 4.3 FI, so power is adequate and with trailer brakes I can stop it. Maneuverable as all hell and easier on gas than the K-2500. In the winter it shoves an 8' Sno-Way plow with ease. Probably not the rig for everyone, nor would I have it if I could only have one truck. But I've got either the K-2500 or my 5500 GMC (19,500 GVW)if I need to tow or haul heavy, so the S-10 works just fine the way I'm using it.

[mattingly]

Thanks for the advice on the ramp guys. I think I am going to get something here in town like a spring loaded landscape gate. I am going to talk with the people tomorrow. I don't have time to get something online. Hey there Brook Haynes. I hope I do good enough work and we both can compete friendly. What kind of equipment do you have and where are you working in Lexington. Do you have many properties now? I have a few and two landscape jobs. I am starting this week.<p>----------<br>Integrated Landscape Solutions<br>Lexington, KY

[QLC]

Mattingly,<br>I do most of my work in Versailles right now. I work in a factory full time and this is my side job. In a couple of years I hope to go full time lawn care though. I have an Exmark 48&quot; Viking and a Kees 61&quot; ZMax and all the other odds and ends. Just bought a spray unit this year from Ryan's Agri. I have about 15 mowing and spraying accounts. I am running an add in the Herald Leader for 20 days to see what it does. I also have an add in the Versailles paper and phone book. Hope all goes well for ya. Maybe we can meet sometime.<p>Brook

[mattingly]

QLC,<br> That'd be fine with me. I have to update my post in the who, what, where section but that should give you some sort of idea of what I do. Don't think we will be competing for some time though. We work different areas.<p>----------<br>Integrated Landscape Solutions<br>Lexington, KY

[cutting edge]

Last year '87 Jeep Wrangler and 5 X 10. This year '90 F150 supercab and a 16ft tandem. I sure miss the tight turning radius of the Jeep.

[coldbrook landscapin]

i have two trucks.... 1989 chevy 3/4 ton four wheel drive 350 engine and a 8 foot plow the other is a 1995 gmc one ton with a dump body it has the 6.5 turbo diesel with auto. and plow with a 9 ft fisher. in the summer i pull a 8x16 landscaping trailer. planning on next summer to fine a used superlawn truck. i hate backing up with the trailer and the enclosed box would be a portable garage.

[Stinger]

We use 2 Chevy 3/4 ton trucks with 1 16'<br>and 1 14' tandem axle cage trailers for lawns. I drive a Ford F-350 crew cab with a 18' lowboy gooseneck trailer to do landscape jobs. There's also a 1983 Chevy 1 ton that pulls a 16' gooseneck dump trailer for material deliverys and haul off. Our special services tech drives a Ford ranger extended cab, it gets good mileage and is dependable for light work.

[The Mowman]

We use a '96 Dodge 3500 Ram with a 5.9 Cummins pulling a 16 foot tandem. It also had a ez dumper insert in the bed. It is great for towing, average 12 miles/gallon. We also have to tow around a Bobcat 873 (7200 pounds) sometimes, with no problems at all.<p>----------<br>Stephen<br>

[kenneybros]

I got an 86 ford ranger 4x4 with a 2.3, and unlike the other 2 guys with the little ranger... i like it, ive never been stuck, and it still spins the 31x10.5 wrapped around steel wheels. I wouldnt hesitate to throw a 5.0 between the rails... I think my frame will handle a couple of nasty rompings in 4low

[KirbysLawn]

I use a 99 Ford F250 crew cab Super Duty w/ 7.3 ltr Powerstroke diesel. I have a 7x16 Haulamrk tandem axel enclosed trailer.<p>----------<br>Ray Kirby - Kirby's Cuttin' Edge Lawn Maintenance<br>Home Page (http://www.kirbycuttin.com), My Truck (http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=681893&a=4967153), Lawn Photos (http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=681893&a=4967155)

[TurfMan]

Look into a small cabover truck like a an Izusu NPR. I have a Chevy W-4 (it's the same). What I like about them is that they have a very small turning radius, a lot larger payload, and the bed is a lot larger than a 1 ton dually. Mine has a 18 foot custom made bed and is low to the ground. I went with a gas engine (350 vortec) but a diesel is available. The main reason I got this truck is because it was less expensive even with custom bed than any pickup. I like the truck a lot. I put a 60 inch toolbox under the bed and it is lockable. The top of the rear deck is only 42 inches high. I designed a side like a tailgate that can be unlatchedocked from anywhere on the side of the truck. This is really handy. It will easily handle 3 tons of fertilizer, a dual axle 10,000 lbs trailer and John deere 4400 Tractor. All of this and it drives like it is empty. If you need to push snow, think about a Mitsubishi Fuso, they make a 4wd cabover. Hope this contributes.

[JB1]

2000 ford f-550 diesel, with a 19' wil-ro landscape bed.

[Grasscape Inc]

how much was that isuzu?

[mowerconsultant]

1999 chevy 2500 reg cab, bare bones<br>tow a 31ft long proline deck over equipment trailer. tows great loaded.<br>38,000 miles since august of 1999 (most with trailer)<br>it works for me !!

[TurfMan]

the truck with no bed was 21k, it had a/c and a radio as the only accessories. The bed was another 6K but as I said, I designed it and the welder was good. You could probably get a stock flatbed or cube for less. <p>Did I mention that the truck has a 132 in wheelbase, a 18 ft bed and turns tighter than any of the fullsize or the S-10's I own. When I pull a trailer it really helps because you can manuver very easily. I know one guy with a 5th wheel that swears by this combination.

[Toddppm]

JBLawn, how do you like that f550? I'm looking into getting one with the PSD, all the dealers around here don't want to switch the setups though, i'm trying to get the l box w,12ft. dump.What'd you pay for the cab/chassis if you don't mind?<br>My main mowing truck is a 96 F150/6cyl/dual tanks/12 ft open trailer.

[JB1]

toddppm; i love the 550 i had been considering one for 3 years before buying it , wish i had done it sooner, nice not having to pull a trailer. and it will haull whatever you want tractors, skid steers or whatever. am very pleased.

[jeffyr]

Inherited a 72 chevy C 30 1 ton rack body dump....93000 original miles !!!. Thought about selling it and using a pickup for economy. But just can't part with it.