Yes! Haha!!!!!!!

[FrankenScagMachines]

I'm IN! Finally got a REAL commercial mower. I'm sorry for beleiving that the Scag is a real mower... it's NOT! This eXmark 52" Turf Tracer with 17hp Kaw twin will run circles around the Scag...Just awesome machine. Feels lighter because the hydros are more responsive and the ProSlide pulls the front up too much (needs adjusted in the mounting holes thats all) don't like the safety switch bars digging in my hands, other than that I can't say enough good about this thing.. Mikey now will you lay off :D
Pete you are missing out....
John, well, your right these aren't toys :p but they're fun ;)

It handles nicely, mowed full speed through my somewhat tall lawn with ease, no missed grass, no clumps, just awesome mowing machine... needs an OCDC to control all that discharge though, it throws twice as far as the Scag. Superb machine. Love it!

[FrankenScagMachines]

Sorry camera was dirty and foggy....better pics tomorrow!

[FrankenScagMachines]

Oh yeah, it's a '99. I thought it was a TTHP but I see nowhere it says "HP". Anyone know if they made a 17hp manual blade clutch TT in '99?

[EJK2352]

Welcome to the real mower world. Now you know why the moto "Nobody does it better" rings so true!!!!!

[FrankenScagMachines]

Proslide+eXmark=AWESOME!

Thanks EJK

[FrankenScagMachines]

bush-hogging at speed setting "3". Wow..what a machine

[Tbarchaser]

Eric,
Now that looks like a good combo, Congrats. that should save you 2 hrs a week.

[FrankenScagMachines]

You won't beleive what a deal I got on it.... well I thought it was a good deal.

This was weettt grass..... I've yet to perfect the overlap on it, still in the mindset of driving that Scag... thats a garden in the foreground (weedy veggy garden).

Thanks Pat.

[pottstim]

Nice machine, congrats! What are your plans for the old Scag? Did you trade it, or are you going to keep it as a backup?

[FrankenScagMachines]

Would like to keep it but don't have space and need the money.

[bastalker]

Hey BHB, ya tryin ta get on our good side now???;)

Good purchase! You wont be dissapointed.. I can see by the pics that yer pretty proud of it..

Ebay is always lookin for a few tired scags!:D

[BSDeality]

take some of that money from the scag sale and buy a real digital camera! :)

the machine looks good, just need some crisp'er photos.

[Lawn Tek]

Congrats . B T W thanks for the computer help .

[ULTIMATE LAWN]

Nice unit.

Now picture it with ECS & some real Ponies.

How many hrs?

[Runner]

Sweet machine! Yes, it is a TTHP, and a nice one. Best of both worlds, and congratulations! You deserve it. Just wait until Fall, and see how this thing moves some leaves. You'll be lovin' life! Keep it up.;)
BS, I think the reason his lense was all messed up was from his tears of joy!:D

[greenman]

Awesome machine, FSM. Now do you believe their motto/slogan?:D Now just think about converting the pistols to ECS.:cool:

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Ok ok ok, got a "real" mower..........

The regular TT has electric start, hour meter, one piece that goes over the hydros' wide stance. etc... I can pic the 2 out while their going 70mph down the opposite direction on the highway.......

NOW LEAVE THE MOWER ALONE, it cuts just fine the way it is, I will only allow you to run double blades.

[Turf Medic]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER

NOW LEAVE THE MOWER ALONE, it cuts just fine the way it is, I will only allow you to run double blades.

What, no snow plow, lights, or bike seat ride-on velke. You want the boy to go into withdrawal:D

[TLS]

FSM,

Go out an buy some NEW Excalibur notched foils for it. Money well spent.

As for the Operator presence levers digging in.....The OLDER models never had them ;)

The pistol grips will take some time and calouses to get used to, but it sounds like you want the ECS retrofitted.


Will we see the Franken Scag on Ebay soon?



New name???:confused:

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines
I'm IN! Finally got a REAL commercial mower. I'm sorry for beleiving that the Scag is a real mower... it's NOT!

Finally....... Now, go apologize to LGF, since he's been right all along.:D :D
Also, as I tried to tell you, now that the TT has a wider stance, you'll have to learn true zero turns instead of those "kiddy turns" you were making with the Scag. Seriously, the small rear wheel width of the Scag allowed you to fake zero turn, which I realized, since you weren't slowing down (don't listen Ultimate lawns) (G).
And, when you ain't doing anything, throw that Bullrider on and start playing with backup, donuting, going up to trees pivoting backwards. The 17 will pull the doubles, but not in heavy grass, especially with the proslide. Good luck,
Pete

[DLCS]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER

NOW LEAVE THE MOWER ALONE, it cuts just fine the way it is, I will only allow you to run double blades.


Aww..he has to put the sulky with the bicycle seat on it. I think it will look sweet. ;)

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by TLS
New name???:confused: Exmarkenstien.......:D

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by DLCS
Aww..he has to put the sulky with the bicycle seat on it. I think it will look sweet. ;) He sold that for $125....

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by ULTIMATE LAWN
Nice unit. Now picture it with ECS & some real Ponies.

There's your problem, we stopped using horses to pull last year:)

[FrankenScagMachines]

Thanks for all the positive feedback guys. I really couldn't beleive LGF didn't say anything negative ROFL.......

Mods to date- Proslide and as of now, an OCDC. Took the handle from the Scag's OCDC and a plate I already had and made one... needs painted and I will probably add a "mulching lip" like on the Scag.
The camera takes a decent pic but it had been in my pocket and got alittle fogged.
Yes I really want ECS, park brake kit, e/s kit, etc. LOL....
Yes it is all it's said to be! What a machine! It handles tall wet grass at full speed no clumps, no visible clippings either. Seeminly the Scag will mulch more clippings (not smaller particles but less discharged) but not throw them as far and they clump more... The Trivantage is clearly superior in all aspects...
The Scag isn't on ebay yet, got some interested persons from other advertising and I may know a couple interested guys locally... Ebay does work great though, may end up using it if other deals don't work out.

Gonna go to bed now but here's the OCDC. more pics tomorrow of cut and stripe hopefully!

[greenman]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines
Thanks for all the positive feedback guys. I really couldn't beleive LGF didn't say anything negative ROFL.......



Not much negative to say about Exmark.:)

[TLS]

That or learn the settings on this one. Those are some blurry pics, and the resolution is horrible.

What brand/type are you using?

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines
I will probably add a "mulching lip" like on the Scag.Do yourself a favor, buy the Exmark anti blowout kit.

[DLCS]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER
Do yourself a favor, buy the Exmark anti blowout kit.


Naaww....alittle metal and a welder he will have one that is better than a Exmark.;) :p

[mastersensai]

congrats on your new mower! i was also impressed when a buddy helped me with a exmark lazer hp, to the point where it made me sick how much better it cut than my 20 hp 52" scag. Then i realized my scag is about 8 yrs old and his lazer is brand new. i also noticed your scag looked kinda old on your trailer. so before the raving over the exmark i wonder which is better that is if they were both brand new 2003's. also is that float deck a waist on a walk behind?
thanks

[FrankenScagMachines]

greenman, yup LOL

TLS it is a Vivitar ViviCam 10 runs about $50 at Walmart. It does better but I didn't take time to go through the menu of options and change the settings...sorry i'm lazy!

LGF, what? Me, buy something? Nah!!!!!!!!

Mastersensai, Yes the Scag is 7 or 8 years older than the eXmark and I know better than to try to compare the two machines... the exmark is an upgrade from that Scag but I can't say the eXmark is better than a new 17hp 52" Scag ultimate hydro with the Advantage deck...... can't imagine the eXmark isn't better but I know these two aren't in the same league.... beleive me they're not!!!! :D
No, I don't think floating deck is a waste... I'm not sure if it's quicker than changing height on a fixed deck, but you don't have to have a stump, curb or trailer gate to do it so in that respect it's easier....Also your blades stay at the bottom of the deck for best suction even at higher heights which a fixed can't do (I mean like 3.5"-4") but the blades being lower in the deck does lend to alittle scalping issue which is strictly in the operator, I just need to get used to running this hoss...

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines
greenman, yup LOL

TLS it is a Vivitar ViviCam 10 runs about $50 at Walmart. It does better but I didn't take time to go through the menu of options and change the settings...sorry i'm lazy!

LGF, what? Me, buy something? Nah!!!!!!!!

Mastersensai,

OH, so once you get a new machine you can talk to the others, LGF,TLS and Mastersensai, but don't have time for me. I'm hurt, really hurt...:cry: :cry:

[FrankenScagMachines]

Good Morning Pete! What else do you want me to say?






GO EXMARK!
NOBODY DOES IT BETTER!

:D :cool:

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines
Good Morning Pete! What else do you want me to say?
GO EXMARK!
NOBODY DOES IT BETTER!

:D :cool:

Gees, call me an old codger, Grampa, old fart, somethin', but just don't ask me to paint my machines Red:D

[FrankenScagMachines]

I wouldn't ask ole Petey to do a thing like that... just sell 'em and get Turf Tracers!

BTW the wheel width on this one is about the same as the Scag... what are you calling cheater zero turns anyway?

[FrankenScagMachines]

For comparison here's front shot of the Scag to see wheel width...

[John Gamba]

Well Almost What Everybody Said! Have Fun Little One.

[FrankenScagMachines]

Thanks Johnny :cool:
I know this will be an awesome setup just like you promised ;)

[proenterprises]

Eric

My congrats on your new machine, wish I had a great setup like you did.

Use it to cut some serious GRASS


Too bad were not closer. I could take the scag off your hands. :blob2:

[FrankenScagMachines]

LandscapeEscape, thanks and best wishes this year.
better pics.

[FrankenScagMachines]

Proslide needs bolted in a lower set of holes so front end isn't so "light".

[ULTIMATE LAWN]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines

BTW the wheel width on this one is about the same as the Scag... what are you calling cheater zero turns anyway?

Don't worry BHB, Switchless is just in Shock that the eXmarks can perform better zero turns than the Magical H-Bar & is likely still counting up all his Lost hours of Production.

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by ULTIMATE LAWN
Don't worry BHB, Switchless is just in Shock that the eXmarks can perform better zero turns than the Magical H-Bar & is likely still counting up all his Lost hours of Production.

I too was dreaming thoughts just like that.......Whew, I'm so glad I woke up and realized it was only a dream..... So, dream on, Professor..............

[dvmcmrhp52]

Eric,
Welcome to the inner circle!:D
Ex marks the spot.
BTW ,we ran the double blades and it took too much horsepower for that particular job but I have run them on others now and will use them in the future as needed.Thanks for the input.

Dave

[Buckeye1]

BHB – Do you ever get the handle of the ocdc caught on something when mowing?? I can’t really tell, but it looks like it sticks out to the side a little.

Just a suggestion - You might want to give ezchute a call and get their pistol grip bracket. They sell it separate from the ezchute. You would have to make a longer control rod but it would allow you to position the handle up on the control panel. The rod would be above the tire and out of the way. The handle would also be easier to access on the move.

[John Gamba]

Buckeye 1
Good Morning!
Is The Roller ready For the Exmark walk Behines?????????
John

[FrankenScagMachines]

I tried replying to this last night but it went to "cannot find server"...
Dave thanks.
Buckeye, it tucks in more than it may look and the handle pokes downward when chute is closed, doesn't catch on stuff. I mow around some low trees occasionally where i duck under the handlebars on the Proslide and go under, nothing catches. I could make the pistol grip bracket?! LOL. I may save my pennies for ECS so not going to mess with the OCDC right now it works fine. With the mulching lip on it it does good in smaller areas, no line at the discharge side. Just weld a peice of 1 1/2"x1 1/2" angle 1/8" thick to the bottom so it sticks under the deck the length of the OCDC plate.

[Jimbo]

Eric, Eric, Eric...you know I cant sit by and watch this post without saying something.

Quote by FrankenScagMachines:
"I'm IN! Finally got a REAL commercial mower. I'm sorry for beleiving that the Scag is a real mower... it's NOT!"

Quote by FrankenScagMachines:
"Mastersensai, Yes the Scag is 7 or 8 years older than the eXmark and I know better than to try to compare the two machines... "

:rolleyes: Hmmm, doesnt look like you know better does it.

Now why do you want to go and bust on Scag like that? You continue to buy old mowers and modify them until they are screwed up. Then you bust on them??? Looks like your age is really showing on this one.

You should compare apples to apples before busting on a Mower MFG.

I guess everyone should take note that whatever Eric is mowing with is the best and we should all go out an buy the same thing as he is using.

BTW- Congrats on the newer mower.

Jimbo

[DLCS]

Originally posted by Jimbo

I guess everyone should take note that whatever Eric is mowing with is the best and we should all go out an buy the same thing as he is using.


Jimbo

Yep, I agree. Every piece of equipment that he acquires is the best. lmao

[FrankenScagMachines]

Jimbo- I said "THE SCAG" as in the particular one that I own. I didn't mean that to go for all Scags, I'm sure the new ones are very good. I hear some brand loyalty seeping out of you I beleive LOL.. I'm not comparing Scag and eXmark, I'm comparing the old Scag and this newer Exmark. I meant that in comparison this eXmark is much more of a machine than that particular Scag, but I realize they cannot be compared for they are not even in the same breath!!!!!!! :P hehe...... The Scag does good in real grass (not weeds) and if it's not real wet and not two weeks' growth. The eXmark can handle any grass or weeds sopping wet with two weeks growth and not break a sweat. I mow with it at full speed with better results than with the Scag at walking speed. I'm not bashing Scag beleive me, the one I have got me where I am and I'd love to keep it around if I could afford to and needed it, but it's just alittle outdated.
I'd love to try a new Scag, I'm sure they're great machines, see more Scag w/b's than eXmark w/b's around here.

[FrankenScagMachines]

Originally posted by DLCS
Yep, I agree. Every piece of equipment that he acquires is the best. lmao

But of course! ;) Hey realize I'm no different than John Gamba, LGF, Switchless and everyone else. I'm sure someday one of them will switch brand loyalties...

[FrankenScagMachines]

"Nobody does it better!"

[FrankenScagMachines]

That was mowed full speed no clumps no visible clippings on lawn. Just regular high lift blades (singles).

Added the cupholder of course.

[FrankenScagMachines]

Oh, Buckeye I took a rear shot to show how the OCDC handle tucks in more than you may have thought.

[John Gamba]

I'm Not Changing Nothing, You Wait And See What Exmark Has In 04.
did you Fix The Pro Mr Tinker With.
John

[FrankenScagMachines]

Temporary fix- tarp strap.... they won't get the spring until Friday at soonest :( I ordered 4 so I can replace both and have 2 spares... I like the Proslide but too many things to go wrong with it.
BTW, the eXmark stripes alittle different than the Scag sometimes... i'm getting used to it still. Lovin' every second of it :D

[jaredslawncare]

Skip the w/bs, ill stick with my Z

[FrankenScagMachines]

Nah, most Z's are so imcapable of mowing rough terrain, hills, ditches, very wet swampy ground, etc. that you about have to have a w/b for those areas anyway... unless you have perfect smooth and flat dry properties, if you need just one machine to do it all, 9 times out of 10 a hydro w/b and sulky is the best tool for the job. W/b's are easier to trim around things with and most hydro's go at least 6mph, the Hustler Super w/b goes 8 I think. How fast can you really mow with your eXmark Lazer without getting bucked off on your rougher properties? I bet you that a 52" hydro w/b and sulky is as fast on a hill or ditch or wet area as a 60" Z because of all the careful maneuvering of a Z. I'm not saying Z's are trash, i've used a few but you just have to be so much more careful with them that you make up the time saved going faster just maneuvering without damaging the lawn or sliding downhill... i'm envious, i'd like to have your Lazer but it would only get used half the time on my prop's. Oh well enjoy it.

[jaredslawncare]

There are times when i have been airborne in my Z seat but also times that i simply couldnt stand up for 4 hours on wide open fields that i mow so without my Z i would be useless on most of my accounts, the resedentials it would be handy though

[UGA]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines
... i'm envious, i'd like to have your Lazer but it would only get used half the time on my prop's. Oh well enjoy it.

You are wise beyond your years young one:)

[FrankenScagMachines]

Yes, see you have a need for such a machine. I am doing residentials 5k s.f. to an acre or so, you'd save little time with a Z of same size deck... because on most lawns over 10k sf there's an obstacle that must be dealt with with something other than a rider... If I had places where I was mowing 4 hrs open field then i'd want a Z rider, but at least you admit a w/b is nice for small residential ;)

[John Gamba]

NOW YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT STRIPS.
John

[FrankenScagMachines]

I said different not better! LOL in all honesty i think the Scag stripes better, somehow... it has less vacuum and all but somehow it manages to do better. Maybe the conditions just aren't good for striping since it's rained a lot since i got the eXmark (wet everytime I mow but sometimes it's dry and they don't look quite as good). I'll be using it tomorrow on some nicer lawns then we'll really know.

[Buckeye1]

BHB – I see now where the handle does not stick out as far as I thought.

John – I have been using the Exmark walkbehind striping roller on a 52TT for a couple of months. They decided to only let a few out this spring to make sure everything worked ok.

I was skeptical at first, but it stripes just as good as the ztr striping kit and it seems to be well built. The roller is 1.75” stainless steel which I believe is about .25” thick wall. They were unable to use bearings because of the limited space behind the mower deck and in front of the tires. The only bearings (small) they could get in that space didn’t seem to hold up under everyday wear and tear. So they settled on using bronze bushings pressed into a steel bracket. The draw back to the bushings is they are supposed to be replaced every month or so. The bushings are only a couple bucks each so I guess it’s a small price to pay to be able to stripe with a walkbehind. I have about 80 hrs on this one and have not wore them out yet. It depends on what type terrain and how low you use it.

[Scag48]

Congrats, you finally got a decent machine. See what you've been missing the whole time! :D Good luck with it!

[Lawn Tek]

In a few years when you get a Z you'll never want to walk behind a mower again .

[mag360]

Originally posted by Lawn Tek
In a few years when you get a Z you'll never want to walk behind a mower again .

Yep

[FrankenScagMachines]

Buckeye, I've been thinkin' about making a deck roller but just for a smoother more scalp free cut on rough terrain, banks and ditches. Wont' be necessary for striping with the Proslide and all... but I bet it will stripe like mad with Proslide and deck roller! LOL.......

Scag48, yes and thanks!

Kerry, I don't walk unless it's a real steep area, or a moderate steepness that's wet or just very tight areas. The Proslide lets you choose without stopping and unhooking the sulky. Step off and you can walk without it hindering you, step on and ride at ground level behind the controls all the time, it's pretty cool.

[TLS]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines
I tried replying to this last night but it went to "cannot find server"...



NO KIDDING!!! I got about 30 emails late last night. I guess every time you guys tried to post, and I tried unsuccessfully as well, it shot out an email about this thread being updated. No lie, every minute (which is what I have Netscape set to check) I got at least 3 emails that this thread had been updated. Most by FSM, and some by others I guess that tried. It was a real busy night last night and I guess it got boogered up!


I was typing to ask if anyone else was experiencing this last night!

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines
Nah, most Z's are so imcapable of mowing rough terrain, hills, ditches, very wet swampy ground, etc. . Once you get one, you will see what they really will do, untill then DON'T COMMENT ON THEM.

[FrankenScagMachines]

LGF I've used a 54" JD and a 60" DC flatlander. I was very familiar with the JD as i used it all summer 5 acres a week with ditches and banks and wide open. The DC I used on a few acres, it was harder to turn without tearing turf than the JD but cut much better. I admit that I am not very experienced with one, but I hear people talking about it, and in my experiences with them they just require alot more caution and finesse` than a w/b and sulky. On my lawns there is no effeciency benefit.... if there is for you then great, have fun.

[Scag48]

I think Eric is right, Z's are tough on rough ground. I ran an Exmark XP 72" (diesel) that was sweet, but once you hit rough terrain at full tilt, it beat the living hell out of you. I couldn't stand being beat up. Now I can't say anything about ditches or hills with a Z, but any machine over 400 lbs is going to do a terrible job on wet/swampy conditions period.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by Scag48
any machine over 400 lbs is going to do a terrible job on wet/swampy conditions period.

Erics machine weighs 625 pounds.

Do you really think the weight of a machine makes a difference?

I can take a 8,000 Bobcat over an area you ran a push mower over and do less damage than the push mower.

It's all about ground pressure, many of the ZTR's have less ground pressure than your foot.

Eric might have what 10-15 hours on a ZTR, put some real hours on one, that doesn't even qualify as demo hours much less being "one" with the machine.

Eric opened up his big mouth again and I will step in and correct it.

First Eric said "Scag was the bomb", now Eric says "Scag is junk".... First Eric said "ZTR's suck" soon Eric will stick foot in mouth once again.

[DLCS]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER

Eric opened up his big mouth again and I will step in and correct it.

First Eric said "Scag was the bomb", now Eric says "Scag is junk".... First Eric said "ZTR's suck" soon Eric will stick foot in mouth once again.

I agree with LGF.

:D

[Scag48]

LGF-So you're saying that a ZTR that is lets say just a little under twice the weight of a WB is going to have LESS ground PSI than a WB? I'm lost, because I know that the tires on a ZTR aren't twice as big as ones on a WB, at least width wise, and if they were twice the width, the PSI between the two would probably be close to equal. Explain your reasoning here, I might learn something. LOL.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Well you were using a 400 pound belt drive 36" WB.

I will use two of the same width machines..

Exmark turf tracer hp 52" weight 625 # rear tires 16x6.50-8 (Erics machine--new ones have larger tires 18x8.50-8)

Exmark Lazer HP 52" (using both HP's to be fare) Weight 965# rear tires 23x9.50-12

3" wider tires and 7" taller which gives a larger circumference

Which tire is going to sink first the skinny tires or the bigger ones?

The Lazer may weight more, but the weight is better distributed by the tires over the WB's weight. Which translated into ground PSI.

Which will get pushed in the ground faster a small screw diver or your foot?

So does that still qualify for twice the weight? Looks to me like it's 340# more which is like 1.5 times.

[ULTIMATE LAWN]

This is Mumbo Jumbo.

The Fact is a ZTR will Rut & Divot Damp turf & Most hills, easier than a ZTR. Even My retired Walkers were no Match for the WB's when the ground was Soaked.

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by ULTIMATE LAWN
This is Mumbo Jumbo.

The Fact is a ZTR will Rut & Divot Damp turf & Most hills, easier than a ZTR..


Mumbo Jumbo.......Ha, you really crack me up. That's a hoot, Mumbo Jumbo.... Funny:dizzy: :dizzy: I think it's time you rename your Company Mumbo Jumbo Lawn. You're just so funny:dizzy: :dizzy:

I realize it's early in the morning, but "Sir Mumbo Jumbo", could you please reread your post again and explain it???

[Cooper Landscaping]

But Switchless-
It's TRUE! :D lol I didn't catch that when i read it...but maybe its becuase i skipped his posts?!?!

-Coop

[DLCS]

Originally posted by ULTIMATE LAWN
This is Mumbo Jumbo.

The Fact is a ZTR will Rut & Divot Damp turf & Most hills, easier than a ZTR. Even My retired Walkers were no Match for the WB's when the ground was Soaked.

Mr. Mumbo Jumbo,

So, exactly what are you trying to say? :rolleyes: :confused:

[bastalker]

BHB... I have read your posts for awhile now, and yes everything you have owned, in your mind is the best..

Now your sayin that a ztr cant handle rough terrain, hills, etc... How long have you been using a ztr?

Unless you are spending 4 hrs on a huge field they are usless????

How the hell do you know? Thats right you hear everyone else talking... Once you finally get one you'll be on here sayin that they are the best, and can handle anything, including 5000 sq ft properties, hills, rough terrain etc...

Stick to what YOU know, not what everyone else is sayin.

[geogunn]

Originally posted by DLCS
Mr. Mumbo Jumbo,

So, exactly what are you trying to say? :rolleyes: :confused:

I think with some imagination you can see that mr. mumbo jumbo meant to say:


Originally posted by ULTIMATE LAWN
This is Mumbo Jumbo.

The Fact is a ZTR will Rut & Divot Damp turf & Most hills, easier than a WALK BEHIND (EDITED BY GEO). Even My retired Walkers were no Match for the WB's when the ground was Soaked.

GEO

[darryl gesner]

BHB- Congratuations. Nice machine. I'd keep the Scag as a back-up. That way you can have one machine set up to mulch and one to discharge/bag and you aren't stuck if the machine goes down.

I hardly use my TT anymore now that I've got the Lazer HP. I have some lawns where it doesn't save any time over the TT, but it defintely saves wear and tear on the operator. At 16, probably not a big consideration, but when you're 2 or 3 or 4 times that old, it makes a big difference.

One thing that surprised me is that my Lazer is better on slopes than my TT with the Bullrider in caster mode. Sticks like glue to slopes that I was sliding and spinning on with the TT.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by ULTIMATE LAWN
This is Mumbo Jumbo.

The Fact is a ZTR will Rut & Divot Damp turf & Most hills, easier than a ZTR. Even My retired Walkers were no Match for the WB's when the ground was Soaked. You don't own a ZTR, and you forgot the Dixie Choppers you also have/had, so now we can conclude you never had them or even the Walkers. You just proved you are a liar. Thank you very much.

Now others have spoken, it's not mumbo jumbo, and it's not fact, it's reality of owning a fine piece of machinery that will out cut you day in and day out.

This just goes to show you, that you and BHB are both in fact incorrect.

Until you both have one in the garage don't comment on ZTR's.

[GLAN]

Hey

My walker does fine on wet turf. Cuts like doo-doo when realy wet.
Slopes, seems the walker holds the hill better, but like I said it seems. Maybe that is cause I flip up the arm rests and lean into it.

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER
You don't own a ZTR, and you forgot the Dixie Choppers you also have/had, so now we can conclude you never had them or even the Walkers. You just proved you are a liar. Thank you very much.

Now others have spoken, it's not mumbo jumbo, and it's not fact, it's reality of owning a fine piece of machinery that will out cut you day in and day out.

This just goes to show you, that you and BHB are both in fact incorrect.

Until you both have one in the garage don't comment on ZTR's.

And how to do you figure what he meant to say? Gees, without knowing me and my accounts, his “crystal ball” tells everyone I’m unproductive. Then, while talking about mulching mowers, he shows us a picture of a mower that he imported (so he says) at over $2,000 (for a 21”), plus, it does not meet OSHA codes for use in America and “THEN” states he uses it within City limits on contract accounts.
He just doesn’t have enough sense to realize when he’s BS’ing himself.
IMO, he’s running neck and neck with “Frankenscag” for the “open mouth insert foot” trophy. But, I forgive Eric, because he’s still young and learning, and he’s trying.

[ULTIMATE LAWN]

I would hesitate to lend any creedence to Someone like Lawngodfeather who believes $35 per hr is Good $$$. Obviously a Rookie with a few Mexicans a Couple riders & a Bloated head.

Regardless, The Walkers Were highly productive on Our accounts, however, the city put Tight restrictions on Grass & lawn Debris Pick-Up so it Became necessary to Find alternative Methods of Dealing with Clippings & Debris. This was Actually a Blessing because our Production has Increased with the WB's & There are Less place we are Forced to use the 21"'s.

BTW Switchless, I have an elongated Chute similar to the one pictured in the Link that I attach to the Unit when Doing City Accounts.

Thank You for your Concern.

http://www.angliamowers.co.uk/system/index.html

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by ULTIMATE DIMWHIT
I would hesitate to lend any creedence to Someone like Lawngodfather who believes $35 per hr is Good $$$. Obviously a Rookie with a few Mexicans a Couple riders Apparently you don't read so good dim whit. With comments like you posting to retaliate about me calling you a liar proves you are in fact ling. Also to add to this, you didn't comment on the supposed Dixies you had, so this is more proof you are a habitual liar.

So without further ado, good bye liar. I will insert my big foot (size 10.5) in your big mouth if you want.

[darryl gesner]

Ultimate and LGF - Why don't you guys just arrange to have a meeting and knock eachother's teeth out?

It seems every post lately comes down to being a urinating match between the two of you.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

I might plan a trip to Alberta Canada, might have to pay old Casey here a visit.

He just doesn't like it when someone catches him ling.

[GLAN]

Geeeez

All these sparks cause of a message board?

<<< Put that gas can down!!............Don't you see the FLAME?!?!>>>>>>

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by darryl gesner
Ultimate and LGF - Why don't you guys just arrange to have a meeting and knock eachother's teeth out?

Darryl,

First, this guy has already been kicked off another forum. I guess what really bothers me is UL is totally inconsistent, which though it doesn’t affect me, there’s plenty of Lurkers out there that he could easily steer the wrong way. I truly believe this is what LGF is trying to prevent. In fact after racking my brain I finally remember where I’ve meet someone like this before. In another forum we had guy’s that read everything about a subject and though they never actually got involved in the subject came across in the forum as professionals. However, on closer examination and much questioning we find out these people were totally “Armchair Quarterbacks”, and had no “hands on experience”.
I believe this is what “Casey” is. He may actually have a large business, but doesn’t really use the equipment, and should not be offering help in the areas he knows nothing about. Worse, is his total lack of staying “on track” when asked questions, or just to another topic which may be signs he has ADD (Attention Deficient Syndrome).
Regardless, I’ve yet to see him actually backup “any” of his quote “facts” with anything more than “it’s Mumbo Jumbo”, which is typical of a little boy when caught in a lie. I realize there’s a thin line between my posts and his, but the big difference is I offer pictures, examples, and full detailed description of my ideas and points. Also, I offer complete pictures of my truck, trailer, wife and puppies.
:D :D

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by GLAN
Geeeez

All these sparks cause of a message board?

<<< Put that gas can down!!............Don't you see the FLAME?!?!>>>>>>

Heck it ain't even "warm" yet:p

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by Switchless@aol.com
I offer complete pictures of my truck, trailer, wife and puppies.
:D :D LMAO the female bent over the Mustang????

Pete and I have been back n forth but he doesn't make up baloney.

Ultimate Lawns AKA Casey, Jack D., Calvin, Johnny Walker, Zack, Hobart, Toby, Slim Shady, Calvin Connely (I think his real name).......What am I missing? all of this board.

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER
LMAO the female bent over the Mustang????

Pete and I have been back n forth but he doesn't make up baloney.

Real men can fight and argue back and forth, but still admit each other is an @hole, and go out for a beer...........;)

[GLAN]

Originally posted by Switchless@aol.com
Real men can fight and argue back and forth, but still admit each other is an @hole, and go out for a beer...........;)



Words of wisdom........................
That was just.....................beautiful man..........<<sniff>>...............

;)

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by Switchless@aol.com
Real men can fight and argue back and forth, but still admit each other is an @hole, and go out for a beer...........;) Is it your turn to buy this round or mine?

[GLAN]

That was auto edited?

<<sniff>>

?

[GLAN]

Now that is amazing


Let me try this

::sniff::

[bastalker]

All u guys are full of crap!!!!!!!:D

Its mind over matter,,,If you dont mind, it dont matter..;)

Quit mindin so much.....:drinkup:

[FrankenScagMachines]

Originally posted by bastalker
Its mind over matter,,,If you dont mind, it dont matter..;)

Quit mindin so much.....:drinkup:

LOL, really!

[bastalker]

Wasn't talkin to you!;)

[FrankenScagMachines]

I know, I was agreeing with you!

[Lawn Tek]

Franken " Markmachines "? In the near future ,come on weld something on it soon:D

[FrankenScagMachines]

Time to learn how to weld aluminum with my Mig welder so I can fabricate something like an Accelerator catcher. Actually I have a prototype leaf catching monster in the works.. I made a prototype for the Scag before but didnt' get it done. If it goes well you may see such a thing on the market in the future. But you probably won't see pics of it on here before it's patented if it works as well as i think it will. Also a snowplow will likely be fabricated sometime, but will be alot better than the one i had on the Scag. The floating deck frame should give alot more versatility for "other" attachments....

[ULTIMATE LAWN]

BHB, Your OCDC's are working well & seem to be able to withstand the daily rigors of commercial Mowing.

I may try installing the Viking one even though it has the Mulch kit on.

For really thick leaves, discharging or bagging with one chamber, while the other chamber mulches may be beneficial on occasion.

[FrankenScagMachines]

good to hear man. I dont' know how the mulch baffles are setup on those two bladed machines of yours but I don't see that working well..... if you only want to use it only open or only shut I can send a bolt on or weld on mulching lip, it really increases the mulching action and you don't get the line of clippings even in fair growth. I'm running it on my eXmark and did have it on my Scag, does good on both. I'll shut it for entire yards sometimes depending on the layout. You can't run double high lifts with it though, they don't let the clippings drop down after they're finely shredded and it just piles up under the deck until it stalls the engine, I tried that last night on the eXmark.... lets just say double high lifts aren't for me, I like gators over high lifts.

[bommaritro]

When you can add a snowblower.

http://www.agro-tec.com/exmark2.shtml

Saw one of these in action the thing worked great.


Ron

[FrankenScagMachines]

We don't get that much snow here, a plow is faster usually. Maybe once in two or three winters is a blower necessary.

[Lawn Tek]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines
If it goes well you may see such a thing on the market in the future. But you probably won't see pics of it on here before it's patented if it works as well as i think it will.

A note a patent will cost you about 10 grand . Been there , done that .

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by Lawn Tek
A note a patent will cost you about 10 grand . Been there , done that .

Yup, and the slightest change from you make will allow someone to make a similar unit. Furthermore, even if they copy you, now you have to spend all that money on a lawyer fighting it. Just make it and grab as much profit as you can before someone else copies it. That’s what I did.
Pete
http://petalrc.com/

[FrankenScagMachines]

Yes i know all that patent stuff and have thought about it... still, with OCDC's doesn't almost all the companies that make them have to pay royalties to DC for the original design?

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines
Yes i know all that patent stuff and have thought about it... still, with OCDC's doesn't almost all the companies that make them have to pay royalties to DC for the original design?

That would depend on the patent. Is it a mechanical patent or a "concept" (idea) patent. like Wright has where they have a patent that says you can't "stand over the rear axle".

[ULTIMATE LAWN]

You might want to Work on a Remote Control Spout controller for the Rad Blowers. I have Jerririgged some Manuals but they don't perform as well As I would like.

[Buckeye1]

BHB-Don't believe everything you read. No one is paying DC a royalty fee. The only exception might be York sheet. They build good stuff, but are business stupid.

Switchless is correct. Patents are only worth what you are willing to spend to defend them. Contrary to what most believe, there is no "patent police". If you have an idea, develop it and go. Take what you can before someone copies it (patent or not).

[lawnkid]

FSM, I bet my old Scag would compete very closely with your new Exmark. I just crank the throttle up all the way and it cuts almost as good as the newer Scag does but still for having 3 less hp it does well. I see most of your grass posted in the pics are fescues. Try bushhogging 8" kentucky bluegrass, it's not gonna be the same results, all mowers cut differetnly on different types of grass. We should meet up and have a competition, your 99 Exmark, vs. my 99 Scag and we'll post the results on Lawnsite. I've never compred Scags to Exmarks and I think this would be good because they have similar specs. No matter what, I'll never leave my boys from Scag behind. I'm a scagman all the way. :D I just bought a Pro-One dual wheel sulky last week, I'll post some striping pics tomorrow of some of our apartments I cut today because my boss's Lesco is in need of repair again because of some dumb***es who work with me can't seem to keep from breaking somehing every week.
Anyway, congrats with the new mower and stick with this one for a while

[FrankenScagMachines]

Originally posted by lawnkid
FSM, I bet my old Scag would compete very closely with your new Exmark. I just crank the throttle up all the way and it cuts almost as good as the newer Scag does but still for having 3 less hp it does well. I see most of your grass posted in the pics are fescues. Try bushhogging 8" kentucky bluegrass, it's not gonna be the same results, all mowers cut differetnly on different types of grass. We should meet up and have a competition, your 99 Exmark, vs. my 99 Scag and we'll post the results on Lawnsite. I've never compred Scags to Exmarks and I think this would be good because they have similar specs. No matter what, I'll never leave my boys from Scag behind. I'm a scagman all the way. :D I just bought a Pro-One dual wheel sulky last week, I'll post some striping pics tomorrow of some of our apartments I cut today because my boss's Lesco is in need of repair again because of some dumb***es who work with me can't seem to keep from breaking somehing every week.
Anyway, congrats with the new mower and stick with this one for a while
Which deck design does your '99 have? This one will outcut yours because of the floating deck, antiscalp wheels and full width deck roller. Also in our grasses the old style Scag deck does not do well at full speed, i'm sure it would do better with higher blade speed and more power though. Love to have the competition, come on over! Unless yours has the advantage deck, mine will outcut & outstripe yours any day on my turf. I really like this mower alot and can't see trading it for anything on the market... Just wish it had a couple more MPH speed and some more HP and blade speed to go with it as well as larger tires :D I get excellent results at full speed on even stringy grass (rye) with dull blades and a deck that could use cleaning. Plus there are no clumps like with the Scag old deck. Discharges much better, sucks up anything to cut it, cuts cleaner in any condition, mows faster operates smoother and easier to squeeze the grips. I mow at full speed all the time unless there is just too many obstacles.
With this machine I am finally able to make a good profit on bi-weekly lawns that grow enough to be weekly's, and just in one pass at full speed even when wet, they look great, no double cutting. I am glad you like your Scag though...:blob4:

[FrankenScagMachines]

BTW I do have some bluegrass lawns that grow to 8" tall in one week, I mow them at 4" and they look terrific, one pass and that 4" growth of thick fertilized, irrigated turf is gone!
Can your Scag cut rye? Mine couldn't but the eXmark can! What I am calling rye is thin and stringy, hard to get it to stand up to be cut. Stripes OK. I think that is rye? BTW Bluegrass is my favorite because other LCO's w/o eXmark can't make it look as good in as short of time (stripes good), Fescue I like for multi-direction stripes and durability, drought and weed resistance and Rye I do not like so much but the eXmark handles it well anyway!

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Sonny, there is more to lawncare than striping a lawn.

Do you customers really care. 1 out of a hundred might, but that's not the optimum goal.

That would be to cut the lawn in the shortest amount of time, get a quality cut and move on to the next job. It just so happens that "striping" is what the mowers do that we use.

Your emphasis on striping is "WAY" overboard. Emphasize on building a profitable business and retaining quality customers, and provide to your customers what you make money.

Put them greenbacks in the bank.........

[ULTIMATE LAWN]

While I could care less about striping, it seems others have been able to build an entire profitable small business primarily on the definition of their stripes.

These, however, will allways be small business' due to the individual attention to detail needed. This is not to say they cannot be prosperous.

http://www.elmlawnsite.com/

[LAWNGODFATHER]

With the 5 lawns he had picture of.......

Becides why you bring up the king of scrubs, you keep calling Mr Eric Erickson a scrub.....

He only had ZTR's.

Dang again you show just how stupid you actually are UL.

[yardman1]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER
Sonny, there is more to lawncare than striping a lawn.

Do you customers really care. 1 out of a hundred might, but that's not the optimum goal.

That would be to cut the lawn in the shortest amount of time, get a quality cut and move on to the next job. It just so happens that "striping" is what the mowers do that we use.

Your emphasis on striping is "WAY" overboard. Emphasize on building a profitable business and retaining quality customers, and provide to your customers what you make money.

Put them greenbacks in the bank.........

I could not agree with you more.

[FrankenScagMachines]

LGF do I sense a hint of jealousy? :p
It's ok that your stripes are not as good as mine, apparently your customers don't realize that another LCO could make thier lawn look better :p
Almost all of my 14 customers have commented on the stripes. A few asked me before they signed the papers if I could put the criss-crosses or lines in thier lawn. Not all of my lawns are easy to stripe, so if I can stripe a lawn where another LCO can't, guess who is better in the customer's eyes?

[FrankenScagMachines]

.

[FrankenScagMachines]

I bet you are crying now :cry: :cry: :cry:
Don't these stripes look sooo much better than yours ;)

[FrankenScagMachines]

I will try to swing by the lawn i cut with the simplicity and get a couple pics.

from the street:

[yardman1]

FSM- be sure and don't run over your bike, you want be able to pick up your girlfriend for a date.:D

[FrankenScagMachines]

haha how could I forget?


The bikes are there every time i come to mow, and they're on the driveway every time i leave. you think they'd notice and keep 'em off the grass!

Oh Steve moved them back to the grass not me!

[TLS]

FSM,

Never PULL your truck into a driveway. Always BACK in. It IS illegal to back out of a driveway in some areas. Looks to be a small neighborhood street. Simply park in the street. Very seldom do I actually park in a customers driveway.

Just givin ya some tips.

[FrankenScagMachines]

Tommy, Thanks for the info, I'd never heard of that... I usually park in the street and use a couple cones, but on two houses I park in the driveway (this and one other) because on this one it sits right by a sharp curve and people pop around the curve and would hit the trailer and another one is at the foot of a steep hill on a busy road. I'll back in from now on. :)

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by FrankenScagMachines
LGF do I sense a hint of jealousy? :p
It's ok that your stripes are not as good as mine, apparently your customers don't realize that another LCO could make thier lawn look better :p
Almost all of my 14 customers have commented on the stripes. A few asked me before they signed the papers if I could put the criss-crosses or lines in thier lawn. Not all of my lawns are easy to stripe, so if I can stripe a lawn where another LCO can't, guess who is better in the customer's eyes? BOY, yes you are 16 and you show it.

[GLAN]

LOL

This is what people want. Stripes? Pushed down grass? And at over 3" or at 4" laying in stripes? Talk about turf damage. Wouldn't want to have to power rake those lawns in the spring. Would fill my truck with the dead grass on just one house ;)

Grass should be grown straight up.

Picture taken actualy 2 or 3 days after the cut. And look across the street and next door............:D

[dvmcmrhp52]

Nice bed,Wish my lawn looked that good!
The crab and clover took over this year.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Exallent job GLAN.

BHB a critique of you "Stripe" Pics........

From the pics I see your trim/edging job on those blacktop edges. Lots of grass on the edges. Grass looks pushed down, makes the cut look substandard. Grass is still tall is the effect you have left. In a day or two those lawns will look raggly.

They do have stripes, but I wouldn't be happy with the looks of those lawns.

Jealous, not in the least.

[Flex-Deck]

Frankenscag-looks like every other pass has dead grass - or is it your camera. - I like Glan's look the best

[Green in Idaho]

I was visiting a friend one afternoon and a neighbor kid park his scooter at the end of the driveway while I was in 'visiting'. Personal visit- no trailer. As I left, backing up the truck straddled the scooter. You know those with two little wheels and a tall handlebar? But it made it fine until it got up by the engine. The handle bar caught right before radiator and broke up the fan crowl and a little bit of the fan. Darn near went into the radiator.

After I pulled the thing out I turned the scooter into a UFO.

I'll second not pulling into a customers drive way, esp with a trailer. And even more so with kids around.

FSM is that like the 12th mower you've bought this season?

Keep going....the economy is counting on you!

[jay warner]

BHB,FSM whoever you are. Stripes came years ago, get over them and chase the $. LGF does a good job of busting your nuggets. I enjoy the rhetoric.

[ULTIMATE LAWN]

Originally posted by LAWNGODFATHER
With the 5 lawns he had picture of.......

Becides why you bring up the king of scrubs, you keep calling Mr Eric Erickson a scrub.....

He only had ZTR's.

Dang again you show just how stupid you actually are UL.

I'm Not sure What to Make of this Mumbo Jumbo.

Either you are Calling Elm a Scrub for Striping or Me a Scrub for running Hydro Walks.

Either Way, Eric E. once Told me he would not have the business or clientele he did without his meticulous striping patterns. That was his Niche & it required a Fine Attention to detail to achieve.

[LAWNGODFATHER]

Originally posted by ULTIMATE LAWN
I'm Not sure What to Make of this Mumbo Jumbo.

Either you are Calling Elm a Scrub for Striping or Me a Scrub for running Hydro Walks.

Either Way, Eric E. once Told me he would not have the business or clientele he did without his meticulous striping patterns. That was his Niche & it required a Fine Attention to detail to achieve. Eric sent you emails telling you, you have been banned.

You are ignored, the stuff you write is bogus.

[Scag48]

People want quality, that's what they are paying you for. You might get a job because of your nice stripes but if you show up and do a crappy job, regardless of how nice your stripes are, they are going to fire you. I won't argue that you can't sell striping to some people, but most people couldn't care less. You won't see me disagreeing with striping, because I love to lay down some nice lines, but that's not the focus of my business.

[Flex-Deck]

Nice job Glan - Frankenscags yards look like everyother pass is dead grass - - No stripes here -pic next post

[Flex-Deck]

No stripes pichttp://Mowing pic

[proenterprises]

frankenscagmachines

your work is very impressive, top notch and you truly back what you stand for:cool: :D

keep it up buddy!

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by Flex-Deck
No stripes pichttp://Mowing pic

Yeah...............
I've noticed after I check out the really nice stripping of the big riders I've noticed that the grass is not level where the tires track. Also, the next week after the lawn is cut the other way, you can still see the stripes from the tires marks in the opposite direction. This doesn't happen with my lighter WB with wide tires.

[GLAN]

Nice Flex


The carpet look of lawn, it just don't get any better.


I will admit that stripes look nice on a ball field. Though those lawns are highly maintained and cut shorter and at less than a week interval. And If you notice one of those lawns up close. The grass is actualy growing straight up as it should, and never shows stress damage

[Flex-Deck]

Glan - The Pic is of a JD Dealership, and it is full of ruts from combines and tractors etc, and it is not even grass - mostly water grass and weeds - some blue grasshttp://Mowed Lawn

Here is a lawn that is blue grass where I used to live

Thanks, Brad

[GLAN]

Even better...........:D