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Heron Cove PM
07-24-2003, 11:51 PM
Finally got an insert dump. This thing is GREAT!

Here are some pics.

Heron Cove PM
07-24-2003, 11:53 PM
Again...

Heron Cove PM
07-24-2003, 11:55 PM
Last one. It came with everything but the wood side-boards.

Cooper Landscaping
07-25-2003, 03:20 AM
Heron Cove-
That setup is sweet- how much would an insert like that go for?

Thanks
-Coop

scott's turf
07-25-2003, 07:47 AM
WOW! That is awesome! I would love something like that in my truck. Looks mighty expensive though.

cat320
07-25-2003, 09:54 AM
That is a sweet body almost got one at a show once the floor model,then it was $3,999.99 I would have to say it is running around $4,500 -$5,000.

Heron Cove PM
07-25-2003, 10:11 PM
Insert, cab shield, tarp kit, sideboard kit, installation, MD sales tax = $5,000.00. The unit is all aluminum/stainless steel. It will lift 5,000lbs and has a 47 degree dump angle. It has a 3 stage, 18 second lift cycle. This thing is fast. What I like about it most is I can buy the de-icer attachment and use it for spreading salt this winter. There are a couple of minor things I don't like; however the pros definitely out weight the cons. I need to paint the side boards and figure out how to put a rear door on it; and I am definitely going to test it out this weekend. I'm going to put a big, big, jag on it (jag=load, for non truck drivers ) :D

gene gls
07-25-2003, 11:00 PM
Your truck is about maxed out with just the insert, empty.

Gene

Heron Cove PM
07-25-2003, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by gene gls
Your truck is about maxed out with just the insert, empty.

Gene

How is that? The insert weighs 400 lbs...and my truck is rated at 10,000 lbs.:confused:

KenH
07-26-2003, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Heron Cove PM
How is that? The insert weighs 400 lbs...and my truck is rated at 10,000 lbs.:confused:

Insert looks awesome....are you sure about your 5 ton capacity though???

Rich's Lawn Care
07-26-2003, 09:00 AM
Heron Cove,

what brand is that?

Heron Cove PM
07-26-2003, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by KenH
Insert looks awesome....are you sure about your 5 ton capacity though???

Thanks ;o)

The insert is "NOT" rated at 10,000...my "TRUCK" is rated at 10,000 so... Yes I'm sure.


Rich... It's a TruckCraft, Model TC-120

Marshall

Heron Cove PM
07-26-2003, 10:40 AM
Ya know Ken, ya got me thinking. With all the non-believers on this site (not you of course ;) ) I figured I would have to prove myself. As you can see in the picture I have an F350 rated at 9900. I have the truck titled and tagged at 10000. I had some spring work done and that brought me at or over 10000. The only thing I need to do is get rid of the BF Goodrich's and change to an E-load rated Michelin. I am even considering a 19" wheel and tire combo which will allow me to get G-load rated tires.

Marshall

Nozzleman
07-26-2003, 02:09 PM
Heron Cove, I am sure you are already aware of this but I will say it anyway. The 9900lbs is the trucks Gross Vehicle Weight. Therefore, take the 9900 and subtract the curb weight of the truck, dumper, yourself, and anything Else you have added and what your left with is your payload capacity. My Ram 2500 regular cab diesel 4X4 only had a payload of about 2500lbs or so and after adding my 750lb dump insert I have less than 1 ton "legal" payload leftover.

Heron Cove PM
07-26-2003, 04:09 PM
Nozzleman, Thanks ( I am aware of this) :)

6372 lbs of the truck
400 lbs for insert
220 lbs for me
= 7000 lbs tare.

10000 gvw
-7000
= 3000


I got it tared today and with me and some tools it came off the scale at 5998...:confused: :confused: don't know where Ford came up with 6372 lbs. Any way that leaves me 4000 lbs, 2 tons. Thats about where I need to be.

Marshall

gene gls
07-26-2003, 10:14 PM
Sorry.......Your truck didn't look like a 350 in the pic's......

Gene

Bigfoot
07-27-2003, 10:34 AM
That is the best looking dump insert I have seen.

cat320
07-27-2003, 11:52 AM
They are a nice body and like it was said you can add a deicer for another $4-5K that sits on the tailgate.But all and all it sits low to the bed and not high like others and the tailgate is set up like a regular p/u one with a latch in the center.I tell ya if it didn't cost so much I would of got one for my p/u .

Lombardi
07-27-2003, 01:42 PM
Would that insert work in a 3/4 ton? Also, what do you do with your tools when hauling a load?

Barkleymut
07-27-2003, 02:13 PM
Depends on your 3/4 ton. Do the math and find out how much of a load you could safely transport.

My 03 2500HD = 10000GVWR (better than a F350, he he he)
minus me - 180
minus insert -400
minus any additional tools and stuff in the cab -50
minus empty weight -4255
Equals 5115 lbs.
Also it is preferable to have a Chevy before attempting to do any real work, and that insert has real work written all over it.

ChicagoLawn
08-01-2003, 07:09 PM
I have the same insert in a 02 F-350 XLT 7.3 PSD, it is a durable dumper!

Last winter I left some bulk salt in our truck, of course it froze solid............ long story short, even after being directly struck by a pick axe to break salt free, the bed shows no signs of fatigue or direct scaring from ax strikes.

I do have a leak in the lift cylinder (i believe second mast), need to replace the seal.

One piece of advice, I dont know if your pump is covered with a shroud of some kind, mine is not. Last winter, bulk salt loaded, salt flowed through mesh cab guard screen onto pump. We didnt spot in time, and really triggered a lot of rust on the pump, valves, etc. They need a "bullet proof" pump shroud or make entirely of non-rusting material to fix the weak spot on this dumper.

We also swung the tail gate cross over bars to the side, makes it easier to rear load.

ChicagoLawn

4evergreenlawns
01-07-2004, 08:44 PM
Hey,

Ok, so I agree that thing looks great. Here is my only question, has anyone had a problem with the bed getting stuck in the UP position due the the fast that it is a gravity down system?

I feel in love with the idea for this as I am looking to increase GVWR for a mid size plow/slat truck. So I am thinking F-350 Dually to get to about 12,000 GRWR. I am already running my 2001 2500HD with a 2yrd V box loaded at about 11,500 scaled and I would like to increase the amount of salt as the account list grows.

I am thinking I can get about 3-3.5yards in the insert with some siderails but if the bed is up and that size load sift to the rear WILL the bed come down. I know that if most of the use is for dumping ONLY than maybe this has not been considered or experienced.


Chicagosnow did you say you are running the TC-120 with the TC-130 De-icer??? I would really like to try give an all electric unit a try if it works.

Thanks guys.

Avery
01-07-2004, 09:56 PM
Looks nice but I will stick with dump trailers. Don't really like having my entire bed taken up with a dump insert. Leaves no room for a tool box. Plus I can carry more than twice your load.

Gravel Rat
01-08-2004, 02:21 AM
Nice insert they sure have come along way since they first come out the first ones were not that nice looking.

Myself I would rather have a 12x8 dumping flatdeck on the truck that way you have lots of room to haul 2-3 yards which weighs around 6000-8000lbs. A few times I had 9000lbs of gravel on my 88 F-450 it was grossed at 17,500 but the old truck carried it fine :D

It was hard to tell with the old 88 you drop 3 yards into her you couldn't tell if she was grossly overloaded untill you rolled over the pit scale.

Had my old 1980 F-350 grossed 14,000lbs a few times now that was heavy close to 7200lbs on the old girl she was pretty slow the 351M was underpowered. The old 80s trucks have terrible brakes I sure had to use the gears alot to keep the truck under control.

When I register F-350s I set the gvw at 5500kgs or 12,125lbs it gives me a legal payload roughly 5000lbs but most of the time when your hauling sand or gravel your putting on 6000lbs.

My current 89 F-450 is legal for 6500lb but she has no problems packing 8000lbs. The deck doesn't dump on this truck so I don't haul sand or gravel unless I have to I hate shoveling off 2-2.5 yards of gravel.


A regular P/U truck can't carry enough weight there would be no way I could get any work hauling with a insert nobody is going to pay you 40 dollars per hour if you only can haul a yard of material.

When you have driving truck aslong as I have operating the truck slightly overloaded doesn't bother me. It makes me laugh to see people get in a big panic with their underwear in a knot because they are couple hundred pounds over gvw.

Then you see people with no clue they are grossly overloaded especially so when pulling trailers :mad:

Heron Cove PM
01-08-2004, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by 4evergreenlawns
Hey,

Ok, so I agree that thing looks great. Here is my only question, has anyone had a problem with the bed getting stuck in the UP position due the the fast that it is a gravity down system?

I feel in love with the idea for this as I am looking to increase GVWR for a mid size plow/slat truck. So I am thinking F-350 Dually to get to about 12,000 GRWR. I am already running my 2001 2500HD with a 2yrd V box loaded at about 11,500 scaled and I would like to increase the amount of salt as the account list grows.

I am thinking I can get about 3-3.5yards in the insert with some siderails but if the bed is up and that size load sift to the rear WILL the bed come down. I know that if most of the use is for dumping ONLY than maybe this has not been considered or experienced.


Chicagosnow did you say you are running the TC-120 with the TC-130 De-icer??? I would really like to try give an all electric unit a try if it works.

Thanks guys.

I think MOST of your questions can be answered here...

http://www.plowsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11222

Marshall

landscapingpoolguy
01-08-2004, 09:22 PM
OK u guys are gonna love this i have a 95 dodge ram 1500 with a 318 v 8 and auto/ overdrive and ez dump insert and air ride air springs. pulls a 6.5x10 trailer with 2 ztrs every day. i love the truck obviously i need a larger truck but for 2 years i have put this thing through alot and its still chugging along no problems;)

Chuck
Perfect Property Services Inc.

PS. this truck is for sale email me at Pool973@aol.com if interested or for more details.

Paradise Landscapes
01-11-2004, 02:07 PM
What is the website of the company for that dump insert?

Sweet Insert by-the-way!

landscapingpoolguy
01-11-2004, 02:12 PM
www.ez-dumper.com

Chuck

Heron Cove PM
01-11-2004, 05:01 PM
Mine is www.truckcraft.com

Marshall