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Resiak
07-28-2003, 02:54 PM
I'm having trouble designing my flyer and was wondering if you guy's could give me some advice. What do you guy's think of the flyer's/logo? All three flyer's look alot alike but there are certain elements of them that are different. For instance the first one has the top paragraph centered while the second one has the first paragraph all to the left. The last one has the 'Free Estimates' and the 'Customer Service is our priority' above the contact info while the top two have it the other way around.

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Resiak
07-28-2003, 02:55 PM
Is there any elements of them that you like or dislike? Do you have any idea's that would improve one of them? I know a picture would make it a little more eye catching but I just couldn't come up with one that I liked. And I don't have any photo's that I can use. My printer prints pretty slow so it will also take less printing time with out a picture. I was also thinking about putting the 'Fall Cleanup' in red since Fall is right around the corner. Do you think that would be a good idea?

Thanx

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GLAN
07-28-2003, 06:29 PM
What about it all centered?

Resiak
07-28-2003, 11:01 PM
Yea, that's how I designed it when I first tryed.. But I just didn't like it for some reason.. I'll post it so you can tell me what you think. I changed the 'Fall Cleanup' to red.. What do you think?
Also, what do you think of the content and logo?

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Rustic Goat
07-29-2003, 04:25 AM
Like the looks of the last one.:)

We work for your convenience?
Personally don't like that line.
You work for their money!

Part in red (both sentences) doesn't really make sense, I know what you're trying to say, but that's too wordy and backward.

"uphold your lawn service" = don't care for that wording.

"allow us at" = don't believe that's proper English

"we at Fidelity" = leave "we at" off

'quality & dependable service's = leave 's off service

What's with the (') in front of everything? Leave that out, if anything make it a bulleted list

Really don't mean to be stomping on your work, just giving my opinion.

Let it Grow
07-29-2003, 10:07 AM
I completely agree with Rustic Goat's analysis. Make those changes, and you're good to go!
These are much better fliers than many of the others I have seen. Good job.

walker-talker
07-29-2003, 10:18 AM
What is up with the astrophes before the list of services.....I would drop 'em ...lol

looks good
MATT

Resiak
07-29-2003, 01:12 PM
Rustic Goat,
Really don't mean to be stomping on your work, just giving my opinion.

I don't take offense to your advice, I appreciate your honesty! I really appreciate and need your help. I posted the flyer to get criticism. A lot of it didn't sound right to me I just couldn't figure out what it was.

I'm going to change 'We work for your convenience to 'Customer service is our priority'. How's that? Do you like any of these instead of the first two paragraphs in red?

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Resiak
07-29-2003, 01:13 PM
"Tired of wasting all your free time occupied with lawn maintenance?"

Variable's for 'Tired' - Sick of, Fed up.
Variable's for 'wasting' - spending.
Variable's for 'all your free time' - your day's off, your day's off from work,

"Relax, allow Fidelity Lawn Service to maintain your landscape!"

Variable for 'maintain' - cultivate, nurture, manage, tent to.
Variable's for 'your landscape' - your lawn.

Or, "Allow Fidelity Lawn Service to relieve you of the tedious task."

Do any of them sound better? Do you have any other idea's or way's to improve these?
The reason I put the (') before the list was because I don't know how to make bullets in Photoshop 7.0. Anyone know how?

Thanks a lot for all your help and advice! It's greatly appreciated!!


P.S Don't think being honest is going to hurt my feelings or anything, I know I'm not a professional advertiser. This is my first attempt at designing a flyer and I need the advice

Rustic Goat
07-29-2003, 07:21 PM
Don't mind assisting a bit, just remember, what ever I may suggest is just my opinion.

Try this line for a starter =
Tired of spending your free time with HOT and TIRING lawn maintenance?

Like the "Relax" line.

Use of "landscape" depends;
1. Are you doing landscape?
2. Properties you're after, are they the type to be wanting landscaping?
3. Your main business thrust (presently) is it doing lawns or the entire property management concept?
4. Use 'lawn' if what you are after is mowing accounts for now, then expand as you can/want to.

Sorry, no experience with Photoshop. Do you have Microsoft Publisher?

If you can't do bullets, use the greater than (>) sign.
(>) (space) (text)

If your flier isn't going to be aligned left, (if it's going to be centered) leave out 'bullet'. Instead, use a line spacing a little greater (1.25 or 1.5, spacing, not inches) than line spacing between text lines. The larger line spacing will be used between complete sentences or points.

Hope this makes sense.
Want to see the evolved project when completed please.
If you're a beginner, at creating fliers, you did pretty darn good as far as the visual goes. The text part is always the most difficult, folks usually want to say too much.

Let us hear from ya.

Resiak
07-30-2003, 04:17 AM
How's this? do you see any thing els that could use improvements? Do you think I should add snow cleanup or something to that affect? Or wait till winter is closer?

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Thanks a lot, I really appreciate your help!

Dan

Rustic Goat
07-30-2003, 04:32 AM
Looking very good. Couple of minor tweaks to suggest.

1. Leave out word "occupied".

2. Leave out apostrophe (') in "offer's".

Wishing you success

bruces
07-30-2003, 08:38 AM
Leave out service from "allow Fidelity Lawn Service to maintain your lawn." Drop the service at the end of that sentence. You are maintaining their lawn, not their lawn service.

Team Gopher
07-30-2003, 03:44 PM
Hey Resiak,

Now might be a good time to let customers know you do snowplowing too. I have heard many of our software users will start contacting their customers as early as May!

Resiak
07-30-2003, 03:51 PM
Oops's, didn't mean to put 'service' at the end of that. But does it sound ok if I put maintenance at the end?

Do you think I should leave Fidelity Lawn Service underlined or no? Oh and do you think I should add 'snow cleanup' to the list of services? Or should I wait till winter is closer? I plan to pass out more flyers around then anyways.

Hows this?
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Thanks again.
Dan

P.S How would you hang the flyers on peoples doors? I don't want to use tape because it could peel the paint off there door. I don't have money for door hangers so thats not an option. Nor do I have the money for magnets with my business name on them etc. It would be cool if someone sold a box of little 1/2" by 1/2" plain black magnets for cheap. I was thinking about punching a hole in the flyer and tying a string to it with a loop at the end to hang on the door. But I think that would be kind of cheesy. Any suggestions?

bruces
07-30-2003, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Resiak
Oops's, didn't mean to put 'service' at the end of that. But does it sound ok if I put maintenance at the end?



No, it doesn't sound ok to put maintenance at the end. You are maintaining their lawn, not their lawn maintenance.


As far as hanging flyers, get some door hanger bags from Lesco.

walker-talker
07-30-2003, 05:23 PM
I would try using bags that hang on the door. I got mine from http://www.rndsigns.com/door.htm They cost $24.95 per 1000, with a minimum purchase of 2000. I have not used mine for fliers, but use them to leave an estimate when the prospective client is not home. I use the one on the right. It is actually white, but from the picture it looks clear.

MATT

walker-talker
07-30-2003, 05:52 PM
bruces is right....that does not sound right. I would suggest leaving it just as "maintain you lawn". Also, I would drop the underlining.

IMHO
MATT

GLAN
07-30-2003, 09:03 PM
That last one, I think is your finished product

LawnMowerMan2003
07-30-2003, 10:06 PM
I used tape, last time. I will find out how much additional cost is going to be invloved to use the hangers, and see if that will be an option next time.

My solution to the tape pulling off paint was to tape the flyers to the door knobs. I know it's not the most professional solution, but I think people will be more likely to look at your flyer than if it is just rolled up in the door, which is why I would rather use tape, if I don't have door hangers.

By the way, I like your logo. How did you make that?

Rustic Goat
07-30-2003, 10:14 PM
If the use of tape is being considered, door knobs or any glass available are good attaching points.
Suggest use of blue colored 'Painter's Tape' less adhesive, easier to peel off.

LawnMowerMan2003
07-31-2003, 01:01 AM
I tried masking tape, but found that less adhesiveness means it can fall off, as well, especially in high humidity. Right now I'm using Scotch tape on the door knobs.

Tidycut
07-31-2003, 10:19 AM
First, let me say that Rustic Goat and bruces have given some very good input.

IMO, the use of the words *free* and *time* shouldn’t be used together. I don’t think implying that the customer has time to spend freely is really what you what to say. Instead, perhaps refocus on the value of time and make their time worth something. Give the potential customer something to think about. For instance, Saturday morning could be better spent with family and friends instead of pushing that beat up 21” push mower around the yard.

Maybe –

Tired of spending valuable time on hot and exhausting lawn maintenance?
Relax, allow Fidelity Lawn Service to help.

Rick

Resiak
07-31-2003, 12:41 PM
By the way, I like your logo. How did you make that?

Thanks, I made it with Adobe Photoshop.

Tired of spending valuable time on hot and exhausting lawn maintenance?
Relax, allow Fidelity Lawn Service to help.

Ooh, I like that a lot! What does everyone els think?

First, let me say that Rustic Goat and bruces have given some very good input.

Yeah they have. Thank you Rustic Goat and Bruces & everyone els that helped.
Dan

Resiak
07-31-2003, 01:08 PM
Tired of spending valuable time on hot and exhausting lawn maintenance?
Relax, allow Fidelity Lawn Service to help.

I definitely like the first line. But not sure about the second one.. Seems like it's cut short or something. Do you guys think I should use, "Relax, allow Fidelity Lawn Service to help maintain your lawn" or "Relax, allow Fidelity Lawn Service to help." or "Relax, allow Fidelity Lawn Service to maintain your lawn."?

walker-talker
07-31-2003, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Resiak
I definitely like the first line. But not sure about the second one.. Seems like it's cut short or something. Do you guys think I should use, "Relax, allow Fidelity Lawn Service to help maintain your lawn" or "Relax, allow Fidelity Lawn Service to help." or "Relax, allow Fidelity Lawn Service to maintain your lawn."?

The last phrase, IMO!

MATT

Resiak
07-31-2003, 08:35 PM
The last phrase, IMO!

MATT

I agree.

Mike Bradbury
08-01-2003, 10:16 PM
I'd bullet the list of services and move them to the left side of the column, easier to read.
Printing on a home printer is likely to end up costing more than taking in a proof and having them printed.

LawnMowerMan2003
08-05-2003, 11:18 AM
Maybe you can get color copies cheaper Mike, but here it costs almost $1 a page. I'm not sure how many pages my pringer would print off a $40 color cartridge, but I bet it's more than 40, and that's not considering ink refills.

Mike Bradbury
08-05-2003, 01:31 PM
from a printing business. Depends on how many you're doing of course. Color copies are .79 at Office Depot here.
As to the home printer, depends on how much ink is on each page, if you have graphics I bet you don't get 40 to a refill.....
Not to mention the quality is not even close to a pro job.
Not to mention what happens if they get wet, if you're using an ink jet.;)