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CNYScapes
08-05-2003, 01:11 PM
I have a 2001 Chevy 2500HD with a little tipster dump insert in it. I regularly put 2 yards of topsoil in it. One of my employees says it is too much weight for the truck. What do you guys think?Thanks in advance.:confused:

AztlanLC
08-05-2003, 03:47 PM
I think is a little too much for that type of truck, I know for a fact is too much for my F250, but I'm not real familiar with chevies, for DOT I'm sure it's too much also

It's funny that you ask this, I just bought a f-350 dually it carries 2 yds of top soil like it has nothing on it, BUT I was pullover by the DOT las friday, he checked the inspections, tires everything, he even made me unplug the trailer and the emergency brake for it, pull the truck to make sure the tires lock, they did, I was pretty confident, then he ask for my cones and fire ex.. didn't have'em I just bought it and forget to take'em out of the old truck, then he weighted the truck, he said have a seat I'll be right back.

I knew he was going to give me ticket, for my surprise he gave me two, one for the fire extinguisher, and one for OVERWEIGHT, I only had two yard of top soil and was 3,000 over the limit, found out the truck weights 9,500 and I can put a max gross weight of 12,500, which I think is only a yard of top soil, I don't now what to do from now on, I usully load my truck with 12 yds. of mulch and never tough about being overweight.

ElephantNest
08-05-2003, 03:57 PM
Load her down. As long as you don't have too far to travel, you'll be fine. I load my Silverado with 2 yrds at a time also. I just don't make a habit of it.

DUSTYCEDAR
08-05-2003, 04:16 PM
the DOT was kind the township i live in has a truck cop he has scales and a clipboard and loves to use the stuff. if he finds you overweight he will red-tag you're truck and have it towed away after he finds every possible violation known to man.

nelbuts
08-05-2003, 06:23 PM
How about 5 yds. of bagged mulch in a half ton! :D

pinnacle
08-05-2003, 06:47 PM
I have towed 3 tons with 4cylinder Toyota tray back and single axle trailer(1 ton in the tray back and two in the single Axel. It was almost dieing in first gear going up hills. You should have seen the look on the guys face at the dump when he weighed me in:confused: I traveled around 20miles with that load so I'm sure your Chev could go mmmabey 11/2 to 2 ton. Not very good for it tough

Tvov
08-05-2003, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by AztlanLC
found out the truck weights 9,500 and I can put a max gross weight of 12,500, .

Are you sure about those numbers? 9500lbs is pretty heavy for an F-350, my 1987 F350 dually has a lightweight of 6000lbs. with a max of 10,000lbs (2 ton capacity). Did the DOT guy say the truck has a lightweight of 9500, or is that what your manual says? Or do you have an extra heavy body / add-ons ?

fblandscape
08-05-2003, 07:02 PM
Really, you can do whatever you want. If you want to put 2 yards of loam into the back of a 3/4 ton pick-up then that's your perogative. However that amount of weight requires a bit of braking power. I see two possible situations that would be a big problem out of many more. 1) You get into an accident... you are going to be at fault regardless, and your insurance may not cover you due to being overload. 2) You get pulled over by an anally retentive cop and get tickets up the wazoo for being overload. A 3rd one which I just thought of is; you kill the truck early because of maxing out what it can do.

My suggestion to you, get a trailer and build sides onto it a dump trailer even. Get a brake box put in your truck and haul the stuff like that. I believe that a 2500 should be able to legally tow 10,000 lbs :)

GLAN
08-05-2003, 07:09 PM
Our association has DOT meetings once a year.

2 different officers each told me private.
If you look over weight. You will be stopped.

Now bear in mind they do nothing in the winter when your driving a F350 with an 8' Western and a full 2 yard salter in the back....:D

AztlanLC
08-05-2003, 11:26 PM
It has a 12' stake dump body and the vehicle gross weight is just inside the door, (he pointed it to me)

Runner
08-06-2003, 12:05 AM
Here in Michigan, any vehicle that exceeds 10,000# combined weight, OR any stake or dump that pulls a trailer MUST have a GVW Registration. The minimum available for this is a 24,000# rating, and is around 500 bucks a year. You also must comply with several other laws pertaining to this. You must have all the safety equip. like extinguisher, triangles, Break-away system, and your vehicle MUST be placarded with you company name, city, and state, and all letters must be 3" tall or larger. Just went through all this, myself. Oh, and you MUST posess a DOT Medical Certificate.

mottster
08-06-2003, 06:53 PM
2500HD are 1 ton trucks so thats about how much you can haul in the bed, give or take a couple hundred pounds.

Lombardi
08-06-2003, 08:14 PM
2500HD's are 3/4 ton trucks.

herkfe
08-06-2003, 08:50 PM
Just a quick note about capacity. What you CAN carry and what you can LEGALLY carry are two entirely different things. I was driving a Dodge 3500 with a contractor dump on it. Had some stone in the back, was barely touching the helper springs, truck was not even squatting. Got pulled over by DOT. I'm thinking, no big deal I 'm not overweight. WRONG!!! I was WAAAY over! Truck was stickered for 11K and I had about 16K on it! To top it off the truck's owner had not verified that his dealer had changed the Max GVW when it had the dump put on. Bottom line, the truck was only registered for a Max GVW of about 7K pounds.....

Now the moral is....the truck could obviously carry the weight, so it CAN carry almost 6 tons on top of its own weight! But...It was set up to legally carry about 5k pounds above its own weight. And....DOT gave me a ticket that says I was almost 11K over the vehicle GVW rating.

Now you all may be saying "Yeah right, he wasn't squatted. How could he not see that much weight?" I guess I was loaded right as fas as fore/aft goes. Bottom line..find out your empty weights and stay legal. I certainly didn't think I was even CLOSE to being overweight. So much for the ole helper spring estimate. If you aren't happy with your trucks' capacity...get a bigger truck. Step up to a F-450/550 or such... That is what we will be doing....

I was lucky, the Trooper was cool and let me take the truck the last mile or so to where I was headed and called it a day. He could have deadlined me. Now, the court will do the math and tell me what I owe....

Funny though, I see little F-150's with a pallet of cement going from the DIY stores to their homes.....never see them pulled over and I KNOW they are over GVW because I can walk under their front axles!!! :p

LawnSmith
08-06-2003, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by Lombardi
2500HD's are 3/4 ton trucks.

correct but the chevy 2500hd trucks payload is greater than ford or dodge 2500 trucks. a 2500hd w/ the 6.0L gasser has a higher GVWR than any 1ton single rear wheel dodge or ford.

the 2500HD trucks dont weigh as much as the ford/dodge trucks. also GVWR isnt nec. rated on how much weight the truck can actually move, its rated at how well it can stop it.

EDIT: why dont you think chevy makes a 3500 single rear wheel truck anymore? the answer is because they dont have to, the 2500hd is their answer to that.

hosejockey2002
08-06-2003, 09:39 PM
correct but the chevy 2500hd trucks payload is greater than ford or dodge 2500 trucks. a 2500hd w/ the 6.0L gasser has a higher GVWR than any 1ton single rear wheel dodge or ford.

F350 with single rear wheels GVWR is 9900 pounds. Is the 2500hd more than that?:confused:

Lombardi
08-06-2003, 10:51 PM
GVWR for 2500HD is 9200 lbs. I have licensed my truck for 18k. I know this varies by state, but in Missouri it only cost about $15-$20 more to license it with the maximum weight allowed which is 18k.

Gravel Rat
08-08-2003, 02:07 PM
For a 3/4 ton your looking at max 3000lbs for a payload for a truck with a slip in dump your looking at 800-1000lbs for the unit so that eats up the payload.

I have put 2.5 3 yards of topsoil in the back of my truck which was a F-Superduty I figured I had close to 3 ton because the soil was a garden mix and was well moist.

The max load I had on that truck was 9500lbs of gravel it pushed the gross weight of the truck to 18,000lbs 3500lbs over the gvw.
The truck handled it fine I was surprised when I rolled over the pit scale and seen how much was on the truck so was the scale shack operator :D

The only time the DOT will look at ya is if your truck looks overloaded ie Squating severly or just looks plain overloaded.

If you attract attention to yourself by not being able to handle the loaded vehical or driving too fast with a heavy load you deserve tobe nailed by the DOT.

I have had the DOT follow me when I had my old F-350 with 3 tons of turf on the deck I was traveling pretty slow because it was heavy and the 351 was gutless. I never got stopped I pulled over and let him go by same with the cop that followed me earlier.

The biggest thing I get concerned about is braking power if the truck can handle the load but can't stop it then your in trouble.

As for a F-350 weighing 9500lbs M/T thats pretty hard to beleive because my F-Superduty with a 11x7'6" steel dump box only weighed 8200lbs. My current F-Superduty with a 12x8 flatdeck only weighs 7800lbs my old F-350 with 12x8 deck weighed 6800lbs.

I used to run over two scales at a regular basis one was at the landfill and the other at the local gravel pit and my tare weights only varied 10-15lbs between each scale.

For a F-350 you can register the gvw for a max of 5500 KGs or 12,125lbs if you go anymore than that then you have a whole pile of DOT rules to follow.

Barkleymut
08-09-2003, 05:35 PM
By Hosejockey "F350 with single rear wheels GVWR is 9900 pounds. Is the 2500hd more than that?"

My 03 2500HD has a GVWR of 10000

Lombardi
08-09-2003, 06:10 PM
Barkley,
How does yours rate at 10k? I have read everything on mine and it still says 9200, unless I am looking at the wrong info.

CNYScapes
08-09-2003, 08:43 PM
My 2001 Chevy 2500HD also says 9200. But I have not seen the GVWR on a 2003:blob3:

pottstim
08-10-2003, 02:56 AM
I have the 2003 Silverado brochure right in front of me. The GVW rating of the 2500 HD is 9,200 lbs regardless of cab and bed configurations and 4x4 or 4x2.

Barkleymut
08-11-2003, 02:10 AM
Alright I guess I have to go out to the truck to check the sticker.

I'm back, ya'll are right 9200.

The damn title says 10K. Hmmm, I guess the state govt. can be wrong. Bunch of inbred morons.

hosejockey2002
08-11-2003, 05:04 PM
Definitely right about the inbred moron part. I think states license truck tonnage in 2,000 pound increments, so they charge you for 800 pounds that you theroetically can't use. For commerical usage, I think you are suppose to be licensed for combined truck and trailer weight. I don't know how strictly that is enforced.

Barkleymut
08-11-2003, 08:28 PM
Luckily they don't enfore a darn thing here. I could pull my 24ft enclosed with 18K in it all behind a Nissan Pathfinder and they would just watch you. I can't believe the kind of enforcement that goes on up in NY and NJ.

I've seen some unreal towing setups lately. I saw an S-10 towing a good sized car trailer with an 80's F-150 on it. They were going down I-95 at about 45 MPH and the trailer was swaying all over the road. That guy could have easily caused a bad wreck. The hitch was about 5 inches from the pavement. One good bounce and sparks would have really been flying.

myoder
08-11-2003, 09:45 PM
The GVWR of the 2500HD is 9200lbs... in early 04' the new GM's will have a single rear wheel 3500 with a 9900lb gvwr.

LawnSmith
08-12-2003, 09:16 PM
FWIW, my '99 2500 6.0L 5speed is rated at 8600. '99 was the year before they came out w/ the designated "HD" trucks.
its funny though, the sticker on my truck says '99 2500LS Heavy Duty. it has the same full floating 14bolt as the newer HD trucks as well as everything else. it just doesnt have the raised hood, emblems on the side or the extra 600lb capacity.

pottstim
08-12-2003, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by LawnSmith
FWIW, my '99 2500 6.0L 5speed is rated at 8600. '99 was the year before they came out w/ the designated "HD" trucks.
its funny though, the sticker on my truck says '99 2500LS Heavy Duty. it has the same full floating 14bolt as the newer HD trucks as well as everything else. it just doesnt have the raised hood, emblems on the side or the extra 600lb capacity.


In the 2500 LD (8600 GVW), GM uses the 10.5" full floating rear end with the manual transmission. If the truck is equipped with the auto 4L80-E trans, they use the 9.5" semi-floater. Does anyone have any idea why they do this? I've often wondered why. :confused: