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Charles
10-03-2000, 11:31 PM
Bush came across as a viscous goof. Attacking Gore personally. Gore has soooo much more experience. Gore has soo much more grasp of the facts and numbers. Gore a winner by a landslide in the debate

turfquip
10-03-2000, 11:35 PM
Sorry Charlie. I have to disagree with you on this one. As many of you know, I won't be voting for EITHER but - Gore lost this by a country mile.

That's all I'll say about it but it will be interesting to see what the others say.

Charles
10-03-2000, 11:45 PM
Ed, you don't like Gore because he a tree hugger lol. Think I don't know something about u by now?

LoneStarLawn
10-03-2000, 11:55 PM
I think Gore was on the personal attacks. He spent 75% of his speaking time discussing what Bush plans on doing and not what he plans on doing. I really like Bush's ideas on Social Security as well.

geogunn
10-04-2000, 09:07 AM
I turned it off after an hour.

the moderator failed to control either of them which is a P-Poor way to run a debate.

gore kept refering to individual persons by name that he has been using to prepare for the debates. RUSH will be livid today on the "I told you so's!"

GEO

lawrence stone
10-04-2000, 09:35 AM
Yes that POOR women from Iowa who lives on SS and a great UAW pension who has to pickup alum cans to pay for script drugs arrived in Boston in a MOTORHOME.

After Jan. 20 algore will be able to join her on her cross country can collecting adventures.

dhicks
10-04-2000, 09:51 AM
While I will be casting my vote to Bush, I don't believe that either Gore or Bush scored a knockout. The media has always hyped Gore's debating skills and that Bush would not be able to hold his ground with Gore. I think GW did a good job, all things considered.

turfquip
10-04-2000, 10:20 AM
Stone's right. Gore's <u>prep team</U> thought the American people needed to see him relate one-on-one when necessary to the average person. He came off looking like a goof...an <u>automaton</U> pivoted only at the hip. As he huffed and puffed behind the scenes I felt a sort of compassion ... sympathy for America as there is a good chance this baffoon would be elected.

Bush had his compassion mojo in third gear too. In fact, we have no evidence that ANY of the hard luck cases embellished by <U> either candidate</U> were actually IN the audience that night. At least his image team trained him to get rid of that <U>dufus grin</U>. He's not yet polished to a gloss; they need to work on his retort skills...

Besides, the polls aren't in yet.

[Edited by turfquip dot com when deemed necessary]

Toroguy
10-04-2000, 05:09 PM
I thought it was a toss up. Both candidates looked foolish at times and both had strong points as well. Gore seemed better prepared, but his body language needs to be toned down, he shook his head non stop, and interupted everyone. If Gore didnt recite his details, I would have thought I could do better.

Jim Lehrer needed Conan the barbarian to moderate.

The aluminum lady must be onto something, a motorhome and no health care. PRIORITIES LADY! I may start collecting cans, seems lucrative.

Charles
10-04-2000, 08:48 PM
I am not thrilled with either man either. I don't like leiberman. Cheney is a big oil man and paid 20000000$$ by them. I am a moderate. I go down the middle on everything. Bush and cheney keep talking about cutting money for the state parks. Selling park land. Drilling in pristine areas for oil. Developing coal. An old poluting energy source. I know we all want clean water and air. Nothing more sickening than seeing a seal covered with oil after a spill. We do need to pay down the national debt wich gets bigger every day.
We need to keep guns away from kids and the mentally ill and convicted felon.
I do think Al goes to the other extreme.
What we need is a middle man. No one in site though

cos
10-04-2000, 10:02 PM
Gotta love Gore with his statement "Mr. Bush, you have attcked my character, my values, blah, blah....lets stick to the issues" Yeah right, That's just like him having that cute little phrase "Gore for working families" Well let me tell ya,I don't think that the Clinton household is so stable, and do you really think that Gore really cares about mine. Sorry, But I think that the answer is, NO. He just wants to be president and will say anything IE, " I took the inciative to help start the internet" Just cause the economy is doing good folks DOES NOT mean that Gore is responsible.

Hollywood doesn't run America and the Lincoln Bedroom shouldn't be for rent.

lawrence stone
10-04-2000, 10:11 PM
Charles wrote:

> Developing coal. An old poluting energy source.

Anthracite coals burns as clean as natural gas.

Wanna learn coal country lingo? Henna or no?

See http://www.coalregion.com/

Click the coalspeak link at that site.

stick
10-04-2000, 11:43 PM
Charles,

I would of been the 5 genernation in my family to be in a deep mine in PA. But thanks to liberals jackasses my father at 50 years old worked in the last deep mine in PA. It was shut down in 1986, 895 men out of work, small towns in PA all on wellfare and foodstamps! My family had to suck it up at the grocey store to pay for food with food stamps.
I can not understand why these unions support these liberals!

By the way, most of the "Higer 1% people" are liberals!!

Talking to accounts about politics is good, I droped 3 tree huggers last week,1 million mom freak, and 1 for just having a liberal sign on there yard.

If you liberals want to live in a socialist country move to Canada. Don't try to screw the people in my country, with your socialistic ideas on our country.

Soon all of use WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE ANY CHEMICALS FOR LAWNS!!! These liberal jackasses all ready ban Dursban and a few other chemicals I can not use. Soon we will have horseshit speader's because fertilize "pollutes" the water in wells.

In 2 years we will be huffing around 12+lb. 4-stroke wackers. Tell me how you'll feel after 100+ lawns a week?

Oil, we need to put some straws in the ground in OUR COUNTRY, NOT TAKING IT OUT OF THE RESERVE. I can not price year round contracts right, due to the rollercoaster ride on the price of gas. You thank are liberal freaks for that again!!

Just my facts, hope you hate them liberals!

Charles
10-05-2000, 09:05 AM
Ever heard of "Black lung disease"? I am sure you have. Probably did you father a big favor shuting down those mines. Thanks for the info lawrence. But we really need to be exploring new technology as well. They Japanese are far ahead of us in this game. And there is alot of money and job to be created by weaning ourselves off of archaic forms of energy. Asthma is increasing in the US partly because our air is getting more and more poluted. I don't think the prez by himself can ban our weedwhackers. We will never find enough of the old energy rescources to free ourselves from being dependent from foriegn sources. We need to focus on research and deveopment of alternatives and implement them over a long period of time so as not to cause anyone economic hardship(including us). Listen guys you can put you heads in the sand all you want. But the earth is warming at a rapid rate. Skin cancer is rampant this may put an end to all of our careers). Asthma suffering( i grew up with that) is spreading. Most industry are only concerned with the bottom line. We cannot trust them not to polute the air, water and the earth. Got nothing to do with liberal or conservative. Has more to do with our health and the environment we live in. Anyone of you guy and gals with kids should be concerned with their future and how they are going to live....

Bobby
10-05-2000, 09:33 AM
Charles
Gore is a big UN man. They want to redistribute the wealth of this world. Simply put,you will pay for the third world countries to become more like you. In the proses, you will become more like the third world countries.

lawrence stone
10-05-2000, 10:05 AM
Charles wrote:

>Ever heard of "Black lung disease"? I am sure you have. Probably did you father a big favor shuting down those mines.

Great reply charles. Sorta like "Why can't they eat cake."

>Thanks for the info lawrence. But we really need to be exploring new technology as well.

Actually co-generation is big these days. They (air products) make these monsters right in my area.

My electric company UGI (my bill was $43.00 last month for a total electric house w/air)is building a new co-gen plant
at a exsisting site that burns culm.

http://www.ugi.com/electric/hunlock.htm

Now the folks who use PP&L (Pa power and light) pay 1 1/2x more for power generated via a nuke plant.

Ain't new technology great?

Charles
10-05-2000, 10:23 AM
Lawrence, i didn't have time to check that link out yet. i should be a work lol. But have a estimate at 11 this morning that has just f'ed up my day by its timing. Anyway its dewy outside. So i will study up on that link tonight..My Uncle worked in a cotton mill breathing in all that dust and toxic whatever. Contracted lung cancer at 62. Just when he was getting ready to retire. These coal mines and textile mills knock 20 years off a persons life. What good is money if you are dead? I am just saying new stuff like you are talking about and research into new ways are the best way to go. And just to block everything out as a liberal plot is ignorant. I am not a liberal. I am a moderate. I will gladly carry around a 4 cycle weedeater(if I have to lol) if it will save lives. Polution is stopping growth. Atlanta has to stop building roads until they get their polution rate down. What good is that? Hurts jobs too.I mena we are the richest country in the world. But we have ozone warnings. Means it not safe to go outside and breath.... Getting the poor out of these killer careers is something to shoot for

Charles
10-05-2000, 10:29 AM
Bobby, why are our lives more important than anyone elses in this world? God loves everyone. Not just the people in the US. Are we the only ones in the world that matter? Its selfish not to try and help the rest of the world get out of poverty. If the rest of the world goes belly up it will takes us with it. By helping the rest of the world we help them stay in their own country and not come to live here. People are people no matter what country they live in. Its not us against them

lawrence stone
10-05-2000, 11:03 AM
Charles wrote:

>These coal mines and textile mills knock 20 years off a persons life.

That is true for sure. But my mothers parents came from eastern Europe (via Canada) where there was no economy.
Working in the deep hard coal mines was a BETTER life than in Europe.

The area I live in owes it exsistance to these mines. Without those mines there would be nothing here but woods.

BTW my grandfather never got a chance to get black lung.
He worked a double shift (20 hours) in the deep mines and
came home and died on the sofa leaving a widow and 7 little kids (no welfare of Govt. handouts at that time). One of his sons also died in a cave in.

I owe my existence today to this man (my grandfather)and without his supreme sacrifice to his family
you would have never been able to have read this message.

The one thing that separates us hard coal guys (slingshot, stick and myself) from the rest of this country is a indomitable spirit that cannot be taken by any man or government.

By growing up in a depressed area this gives me the ressourcefulness few others possess.

Many who come to this area from NYC or Phila. for a better quality of life think the locals like myself are rude and obnoxious.

What they fail to understand is that we don't care what they think and they cannot buy us with thier "new money".

We have survived on little income in that past and we will be here long after they have retreated back to the city.

[Edited by lawrence stone on 10-05-2000 at 02:41 PM]

turfquip
10-05-2000, 11:20 AM
//...more <U>one world</U> pablum from our cohort

i'll bet you support 90 percent of the lib/dem platform... //




if it walks like a duck...

Charles
10-05-2000, 08:05 PM
Sorry to dissapoint you Ed. I am a republican. Voted for Ron and George. Then i voted for Clinton after Pat Robinson and Jerry Falwell took over the Republican party. I hope one day they come back to the main stream. I believe George W will be more main stream if he gets into office. I just hope he hires someone smart enough to think for him. My grandfather also worked in a textile mill and died in his 60s. I can remember him coughing all the time. It is kinda a one world. When one country cant afford to buy our products we suffer. Half of sc economy is foriegn. They pay alot more than those textiles. Lawrence that was a cool site. I respect coal miners and textile workers. But for the risk they took and are taking they should be paid ALOT more money. They should be wearing some kinda high tech space suits so they don't breath toxic stuff in. The guys at the top are the ones getting rich off the suffering of their employees. Look at textile magnet Millican. He is a billionaire. We his employee live in little mill houses. The pay and conditions are better now but not by much.

[Edited by Charles on 10-05-2000 at 11:25 PM]