Republican or Democrat?

[Mowin4cash]

I figured I might as well go ahead and start some @#$^$ and bring in politics to the forum. Might be fun, might not. <p>----------<br>When the mowing gets tough, sharpen your blades, and don't forget to &quot;VOTE REPUBLICAN&quot;!!!<br>

[KirbysLawn]

REPUBLICAN

[yardsmith]

Republican, but I don't mix business with politics, or bring up Igor (I mean Al Gore) while eating.<p>----------<br>Smitty ô¿ô<br>

[thelawnguy]

Lifelong Republican. My customers include ultra-liberal union leaders (local afl-cio chief), the make-jesse-jackson-look-like-a-conservative liberal dem city mayor and all his family's lawns. Also the staff head for our republican congresswoman-I allow plenty of time for his lawn since I usually get a dose of whats wrong with the liberals speech while Im there.<p>They all see my &quot;GOP&quot; smiley pin on my hat and my &quot;Nixon Now&quot; bumper sticker in my back window.<p>Bill

[turfquip]

I'm not supprised by(so far) an overwhelming tendency toward republicans. I would expect that from a group of self employed persons. <p>There isn't an ounce of difference between the two parties as i can tell. Both will persue their own self interests.<p>The elephant candidate is a shifty globalist and betrothed to big oil. The donkey's ass is well intentioned but his hands are dirty from campaign finance. We'll never get the truth on that due to gutless demagogery by the justice department.<p>Both stand for big government.<p>Now, take Harry Brown. Can anyone comment on his parties' platform? I like a lot of what I hear from that group. <p>I also like the independent party candidate's(can't think of his name) style but he swings a little too far right. Just a little.<p>Nader's too far to the left for my taste.<br><p><font size="1">Edited by: turfquip dot com

[dhicks]

Republican!

[Bobby]

Independant, but I guess I'll vote for Bush considering Mr 3.00 a gallon save the earth is my only option.We no longer as a society tolerate being told there is a right and wrong.Payment for this attitude can be viewed tonight on the blues. I mean news.<p>----------<br>Yesteryear L/S<br>Hollywood Fla

[geogunn]

turfequip...uh excuse me, did I understand you to write that george w's hands are dirty from campaign finance? perhaps you could tell us which Buddhist temple he visited with his hand outstretched! DUH!<p>GEO

[turfquip]

<br>Gore-bore is the one I was referring to with campaign finance.

[Chip]

Turfquip my thoughts exactly. Most business men are probably republican. If not they might beindependent or libertarian. Probably not the tax and spend Democrats.

[MRPLOW]

Harry Brown will get my vote. Basically there party stands for less government and for the states to be more independent of one another, that way you could live in the state which has the laws that you agree with. Sounds pretty good to me.

[Toroguy]

Republican Party -NO<br>Democrat Party -NO<br>Independant Party-NO<p>Keg Party -YES<p>VOTE TOROGUY IN 2004!

[dfor]

Republican

[Grasscape Inc]

By the time states get their own laws passed, and establish an idependent identity, he will be long gone.<p>----------<br>-Grasscape Mgmt.<br>Http://sites.netscape.net/grasscapeinc/homepage

[RYAN]

Independant. Jesse Ventura For President!

[Charles]

Republican. BUT. George w Bush is an airhead. Big oil man. Dick chaney is a big oil man. We got rid of the old man bush and he was alot smarter the W. I say don't rock the boat. The economy is going great under al and clinton. THAT IS A FACT!!! I don't care if al bangs monica. Just as long as the economy hums along and it is really humming. It is so stupid for fix something that is not broke. Guys we work in the environment!! So lets not trash it with W goofball.

[jannan]

Charles said it best!!

[Keith]

Charles, good that you bring that up. Some don't realize how good the economy is right now and how bad it can be. I have been in this business for a long time. Beginning in 93 there was a noticeable change. People who cut corners to save a buck, began spending. We mow for alot of middle class people now, where it used to be more for the upper class. Funny thing is the middle class realize what you are doing is hard work and they appreciate it. If the economy falls apart, I beleive a lot of us will be fighting for jobs.<p>Regardless of what you think about the Democrats, the economy is good.

[geogunn]

turf equip--thanks for the clarification. I see you edited your post and now it makes sense.<p>GEO

[osc]

Democrat.<p>If you don't have a hundred million dollars you can't be a republican.<p>

[EarthWorks]

Since the economy is cyclic I would find it hard to give credit to democrats. I would vote for whomever I thought was more qualified but if all else equal go Republican.

[Keith]

That's ok, that's pretty standard. If anything goes wrong blame the Democrats and if it goes right credit the Republicans.<p>Another thing that gets me is how people blame Clinton and Gore for high gas prices. How the hell can 2 people control this? And why did they wait until now to do it? George W Bush will lower your fuel costs?<br><p><font size="1">Edited by: Keith

[crew]

When in doubt-go left! Ilive in the state that elected Jesse Ventura governor so I probably should not be taken seriuosly.<br>Having said that - I cant get past the fact that GWB keeps trying to sell compassion as one of his virtues. He cathing up to Pol Pot on the hit list.Also the last thing we need is two oilmen who will continue to promote our reliance on oil at the expense of our inevitable future-life with out oil.<br>I'm not enamored with Gore but I agree on the economy thing;lets ride this horse till it dies!

[thelawnguy]

How can you credit the Clinton-Snore administration with this economy? The two schools of thought are, the present expansion has been going on for either 9 years (since the end of the mild 1989-91 recession) or 19 years(since the Carter-inspired, 18-percent interest rates of the 1980-81 recession). Either way, the upturn was spearheaded by a Republican administratiion, Reagan in 81 or Bush in 91, meaning Bill Clinton and Co. inherited the economy of a Republican predecessor. <p>Lets give the credit where it is due. Who was the only elected US President to be impeached? Who was the only US president to be charged with, and convicted of, perjury? <p>I better stop before I get wound up here.<p>Bill<p>

[yardsmith]

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but Mr. Pathetic excuse-of-a-role-model who's in the hot seat in front of all the world to see is not responsible for the economy. What was the 1st thing he did? Sign NAFTA & send our jobs to mexico, lie about everything in sight including his intern, etc. etc.<br>The economy runs in 12-14 yr. cycles & he just happens to be in office this time around, sacrificing & undermining the foundational strength that has made this country what it is.<br>That's why I try not to mix biz & politics, cuz it's ALWAYS a friggin merry-go-round. Nobody's right on all of it, & you can never find a good point to stop on. It's usually a matter of the lesser of 2 evils.<br>My vote (they're all crooks) sways towards republican, because they hold the closest to my moral value system of beliefs. I believe if you live with integrity, God will bless & prosper you regardless of man's economy. Your life's testimony, character, & integrity is 1st. If that is in line, then prosperity will always follow, & you then have all the bases covered. Today, we shortcut the route & pursue the money 1st while living like a parasite to get us there, sabatoging our reputation. Same as in what we all do here-if you run your biz like a professional & are honest with people, you will grow. If not, you can get quick money by shoddy work & cheating people out of it. Yes you have your money, but look what happened in the process. Ok, I'm off my soapbox now; thanks.<p>----------<br>Smitty ô¿ô<p><p><font size="1">Edited by: yardsmith

[KirbysLawn]

Well said Bill!

[Charles]

I am not giving all the credit for a great economy to al and clinton. But they are not doing anything to F it up. A global economy is great for consumers. Competition keeps the prices down. We all know that!! Some of you need to think. Textile companies are the major companies hurt by nafta. But let me tell you around here textile companies suck!!. Low paying jobs, hard labor jobs that go nowhere. While the head of the textile companies are very rich. Our corporations sell all around the world and they think that is great. But they don't want overseas companies selling to us. See anything wrong with that? WE have a variety of companies french, german, that employ a hell of alot of people in sc. In high paying jobs. If old man bush was so great, why was he not elected again? Why, Why, why? lol You know where alot of these homeless came from? Reagan turned them out from the mental institutions. ALL I KNOW IS THAT UNDER AL AND CLINTON WE HAVE HAD THE LONGEST EXPANSION OF THE US ECONOMY IN US HISTORY. WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN SUCH A CYCLE. Our unemployment rate here is 2%. Clinton and al have have been pro business and pro high tech. They did a survey in Texas. Non of the people in texas could name anything Bush has done exceptionally. His on Dad when asked why W should be prez. Could NOT name any reason or than that the american people want change every once in awhile. Al is very smart and knows foriegn policy and can even name most of their leaders. Now i think he is extreme in some areas and a bit flaky. But aren't we all? I don't think he is the greatest. But W is a lame brain, spinless goof. Who did nothing but party in school and make bad grades.

[thelawnguy]

&quot;Al is very smart and knows foriegn policy and can even name most of their leaders.&quot;<p>I cant figure out why he isnt even trusted enough to attend foreign dignitaries funerals (traditionally the VPs role) Ol Bill seems to be taking on this role while Al stays behind keeping the plants watered. I wouldnt be comfortable with someone in the White House whose own boss doesnt trust him.<p>Bill<p>PS Thanx to Mowin4cash for injecting some color into the forum!!!

[Twotoros]

Sorry but I will no longer be a voter . I used to vote for the better man in my opinion but now I only see the lesser of two evils . Gore - what a joke . Bush - look out our southern border will be 100% open. <br>New Zealand let me in -PLEASE!<br>

[fdew]

If you don't want a oil man in the white house then vote Bush. Algore's money comes from Occidental Petroleum.<br>BTW with Algor's help Occidental Petroleum now owns the Elk Hills oilfield in bakersfield, Calif., This was the largest <br>privatization of federal property in U.S.<br>history. And it was during the same time that the Pres and VP were seizing vast amounts of land in Utah.<p>Ref; http://www.thenation.com/issue/000522/0522silverstein.shtml<p>Frank

[cutntrim]

Well whoever you guys vote in I hope the economy doesn't take a nose-dive 'cause as the US economy goes, so goes the Canadian economy. You can bet we'll all be watching with interest up here. Both my parents and all of my relative are from Ohio and I've got dual-citizenship, if I lived down south I'd probably vote Democrat but up here I usually vote Conservative. Everyone votes out of self-interest and like you guys I'm a self-employed businessman so the economy is #1 for me. The trickle-down effect of a depressive economy can be sure to affect those in our line of work.<p>----------<br>Dave in S.Ontario<br>www.cutntrim.com

[eslawns]

I used to think it didn't matter who I voted for, since none of them would do anything for me. One day I woke up and realized it wasn't what they'd do for me, but what they'd do TO me! Clinton and Gore have done nothing directly to help our economy. The things they have done have inhibited it. The economic lesson for the day is: People do 2 things with their money. 1. They spend it. GOOD for the economy. 2. They save it, where it gets invested. GOOD for the economy. The gov't, on the other hand only spends it. BAD for the economy. Why? Because the gov't takes its money from us, which means we can't spend it. It also means that a candidate who wants to &quot;help&quot; people (meaning give them my money) has leverage over one who doesn't want to. Right now the wealthiest 2% pay something like 13% of all income tax. The least wealthy 30% or so pay no tax at all. Some even get back more than they did pay (Earned Income Credit). If you didn't work and a candidate offered to give you money, would you vote for him? (or her?) You'd be suprised to know how many people do EXACTLY that. Once actual taxpayers are a minority, it'll be all over.

[crew]

It always suprises me when people start spouting talk about values and use them as a vehicle to prop up republicans or knock down dems. It seems to me the fundamental difference between the two major parties is who they watch out for. The dems are concerened with the plight of the underclasses and the repulicans are concerned with helping the people with money get more.<br>Our senator,Rod Grams, is pushing an initiative that would allow people to invest their social security witholdings in the stock market. Now who do you think will get rich on that scheme.I'll tell you who;stockbrokers most of whom are probably already &quot;haves&quot;. What will we do for all those people who were going to retire on Delorean Motor stock? I know- we can put them in prisons - a nice growth industry these days- and we still end up paying their way.In his personal life ,The Honorable Mr. Grams is too busy to deal with his F'd up,dope fiend son, who keeps getting busted but never ends up in jail!? Mr.law and order republicans' value seem a bit out of kilter to me.<br>Sorry for the rant but,people who claim christian values and affiliate with hipocritical republican politicians who cast the neediest people in our society away without regard are either ignorant or uninformed. What would Jesus do? He'd vote for Ralph Nader,but thats another post.

[Barkleymut]

I believe it was Charles who commented about the 2% unemployment in SC. There is a much larger chunk of the population in general that NEEDS TO BE UNEMPLOYEED. Anyone go into a store or restaurant and get the feeling that the employee representing that company where you are taking your business doesn't give a crap about you. Well this is getting much more common since Bill thinks everyone should go to college. We still need blue collar workers, we still need McDonalds employees and if they only have college grads to hire how much do you think a Quarter Pounder is gonna cost? Bill is a mastermind politician, NOT an economic genius. In my economics class in college we learned that the economy runs in 10 year cycles but I no longer believe this is true. Who knows what kind of cycle we have, anyone watch the stock market lately? Volatility is at unprecedented levels, is this good or bad? Only time will tell, but I feel that this economic boom is great for us, but how long can it last? We hire freaking idiots to do jobs that used to be held by folks who were much more intelligent and actually gave a crap about the company. But those intelligent folks are now not willing to take one of those crap jobs that they once held. My wife and I always get a chuckle when calling 800 support numbers and getting some moron who is reading off note cards and if they get an objection that is not on the note cards (or puter screen) they will just make up something or go with another standard response. Customer service is going down the drain and production is now what counts for most companies, will lawn care be next? Only time will tell

[Barkleymut]

By the way I forgot the question on my last post. I am an Independant who never votes. All politicians are in it for the money that goes under the table.

[parkwest]

An excellent book you guys might find interesting about basic economics is &quot;Whatever Happened to Penny Candy&quot; by Richard J. Maybury. He also has a good book on whether or not your &quot;liberal&quot; or &quot;conservative.&quot; Its called, &quot;Are You Liberal? Conservative? or Confused?&quot;<p>Check 'em out at your local library.

[Keith]

Barkley, I partially understand your point of view. With high unemployment and low minmum wages, McDonald's and companies like them can &quot;pick&quot; their employees. That may good for McDonald's and for the people who like cheap meals. But I personally would rather see an expanding economy and $5 value meals than a poor economy and $3 value meals. The truth of the matter is it doesn't cost anymore to eat at McDonald's now than it did ten years ago. Why? Because McDonald's has to compete. People as a whole are spending more and eating cheap meals less often. Drive around, look at the higher price restaurants, they have more business. Think of these restaurants as being and indicator of our business. These are the cutomers that hire us. Many of these would be out of business during a recession. McDonald's and others have built themselves to control the market during poor economic times.<p>I also think a shrinking blue collar work force is not a bad thing. Why? Because with a smaller work force, higher salaries can be demanded. If more people go into white collar America, blue collar workers will be more appreciated. I don't know about you, but I associate myself more with blue collar workers than white collar.<p><br>&lt;font size=&quot;1&quot;&gt;Edited by: Keith<br><p><font size="1">Edited by: Keith

[Mowin4cash]

WOW, didn't realize I would be stirring up such a hornets nest. But, Mega Dittos to you all, and to all, a good night! <p>----------<br>When the mowing gets tough, sharpen your blades, and don't forget to &quot;VOTE REPUBLICAN&quot;!!!<br>

[crew]

Hey Mowin - why?

[Runner]

I don't care too much about national politics, but up here in Michigan, we got the best politicians money can buy!!!<br>

[Guido]

Okay I'm Biased on this one. I'm in the Air Force so my pick has something to do with my expected future raises when George W. and Dick Chaney get in (Hopefully) Chaney is an old sec. of defense, plus Bush's shadey military background is a lot better for me than Clintons Draft Dodge.


Now, even if I put that all aside, I had to write an editorial in my home town news (Waterbury Republican American) in CT last year when I found out that out of all the senetors in the US, only seven voted against a 5% raise for the military, and 2 were from my state!!! LIEBERMAN had no problem voting several raises for himself through the year, but when it came to all those troops that make sure the US is safe so he can sit in his cooshy little chair, oh no, they don't need a raise. Of course there is better things to waste their money on. I feel very strongly about this issue, because I was asshamed to be from CT when those senetors names came out. If I can find the article I wrote I might try to post it up here next week. In case your wondering, I got round a bout bullshit letters back from Dodd and LIEBERMAN that basically said, well the bill ended up going through anyway so whats the difference how we voted, sorry and we don't appreciate your sacrafice!! Thank god I'm overseas or he'd know and hate my face by now!!


VOTE GEORGE W !!!!! and you'll make Guido happy!!!

[Acute Cut]

Man oh man oh man. I was LMAO reading this.
Smitty: (sniffle, sniffle) that was beautiful man
Gudio: X-enlisted here--> I feel your pain man

Ok gals and guys, here's how I see it. Bill sucks. Well, i suppose HE didn't suck but.... Well you know. HE demolished Americas reputation. The world still laughs at us. DId you see the Saudi ad for laundry detergent-->"Strong enough to even get the stains out of Lowinskis dress!". OUCH!

Most all politicians are crooks and cheats. NOT ALL! But, if you arent going to greasy the palms and pockets of the greedy influences, then how far are they going to promote you? Imagine a boyscout in office? He'd never make it. You gotta give to get.

I dont know bout ya'll, and i hate to do this to an already long post, but i figure god fits in here somewhere. Who has good values? Who will say thanks to god when he wins? WHo will put prayer back into school? NO ONE! I know some of you are fuming thinking of this idea, but think about it. What was this country created on? GOD! "IN GOD WE TRUST"--> Sound familiar to anyone? When God got taken out of this wonderful country, then we lost alot more than just good politicians.

One world economics, (sigh) that would be grand. ANd we could all go around with little debt card type of chips in our hands and forheads to forgo the uselessness of carrying cash. (Major Sarcasm and Cynacism!)

I am not going to vote. I can honestly say that none of the candidates truly moves me to miss a day of work to vote. Hipcrate you say? Naw, i just know where this whole thing is going and i am not going to try to stop it. (If you are wondering what i am talking about i am being religious again. Read the "LEFT BEHIND" series.)


Dennis Miller:"Thats just my opinion and i could be wrong."

[greenngrow]

REPUBLICAN,

IF GORE GETS IN WE ALL WILL HAVE TO GO TO ELECTRIC MOWERS, HAND CLIPPERS AND BROOMS.

I HAVE TO SECOND TOROGUYS MOTION

KEG PARTY SOUNDS PRETTY COOL TO ME.