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The Lawn Boy Pro
09-19-2003, 02:02 PM
Anyone considered one of the Pondless waterfall installs? I;ve thought about it in our front yard and a few other places that have hills becasue you dont have to worry about people messing with it and drowning.

lawnMaster5000
09-20-2003, 06:12 PM
I have had two clients request one, but never installed on either.

I couldnt find a way to make a collection area for the water if the power shuts off. All the water that is normaly in the process of falling would then have to have somewhere to collect. It could drain into the waste drain.

The other problem is that durring the summer when water is evaporating from the pond there would have to be an autofill to maintain water level - the lack of a water stock would make the percentage change much greater than if you had a 300 gallon stock.

Team Gopher
09-20-2003, 09:44 PM
Here is an article From Mowing Lawns to 'Mountain Ponds' (http://www.mountain-ponds.com/articles/mountainnews042403.html) that you may find interesting.

Phishook
09-20-2003, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by lawnMaster5000
I have had two clients request one, but never installed on either.

I couldnt find a way to make a collection area for the water if the power shuts off. All the water that is normaly in the process of falling would then have to have somewhere to collect. It could drain into the waste drain.

The other problem is that durring the summer when water is evaporating from the pond there would have to be an autofill to maintain water level - the lack of a water stock would make the percentage change much greater than if you had a 300 gallon stock.

The collection area would be the 4x6 area filled with gravel.
The auto fill fits into the center tube. (don't know what it's called)

The Lawn Boy Pro
09-21-2003, 12:48 AM
The "snorkel" is the center pipe, the "centipede" is the base pipe.

Phishook
09-22-2003, 11:54 AM
Ohhhhhh! I like to call'em the Black thingies in the gravel.:D

capital
09-22-2003, 09:42 PM
We have constructed two pond less water falls and think we will be doing alot more in the future. If you have questions email me and can give you the low down. One system we did is a 40 foot run under a limestone bridge into the retention area with the other a 45 foot run on a 12 foot drop going through two different channels.

Phishook
09-23-2003, 02:31 AM
post some pics please. Sounds verry ......hmmm............relaxing?

hunter
10-19-2003, 10:31 PM
I fainally found these images of this pondless system.

hunter
10-19-2003, 10:32 PM
Here's the snorkel vault

hunter
10-19-2003, 10:35 PM
Here's the centiped tubes

hunter
10-19-2003, 10:40 PM
Here's an ovaerll view of the setup.

Christian grower
10-28-2003, 11:00 AM
captial I have ?'s about this pondless waterfall can you give me more info?

JTHutch
12-13-2003, 09:18 PM
I installed one awhile back for my aunt before I knew about the Aquascapes black thingies. Don't really know if I did it right, but it looks good and haven't had any problems with it. She wanted a water fall but didn't want standing water because she has young grandchildren. She refilles it herself and takes care of the maintainence.

David Shaw
01-11-2004, 02:02 AM
Hey Capital I just got a mailer today from Aquascapes for thier seminars. See a couple will be in Iowa. Are they worth the fee?

Qdriver
01-27-2004, 04:22 PM
That is the reason I am checking out this forum. I got a booklet from them as well. I was like.." I never asked for a booklet or even heard of them...LOL

The sessions ARE expensive,.. esp if you know nothing about water features or if/how much money they can bring you.

David Shaw
01-28-2004, 01:52 AM
Doubt I'll get to go anyway. I work a full time job aside from my business. A situation I keep telling myself is temporary. Anyway I don't have any vacation time yet. So I probably won't get to attend the marketing on anyway.

T. Matthews
02-04-2004, 12:06 PM
The question I have is how do determine how big a catch basin you need?

Ground Master
02-19-2004, 05:10 PM
There systems seem very good, but pricey for plastic pieces

jester
03-14-2004, 12:27 AM
I installed my first pond last year. All me and my employees did was watch the how to install a pond and bought the pond builders bible. It turned out awesome It took 3 guys 2 days.

Q-Team Inc
03-18-2004, 04:30 PM
I took the "how to sell ponds" seminar about a month ago and think that it was money well spent. I will be attending the "Build a pond" day class as well. I have never built a pond and learned alot from them. Education is alway money well spent. Its not only the class its making associates at the class and learning things form people that have installed these.
Good luck.:D

Ax Man
03-31-2004, 08:59 AM
I just attended a build a pond day in Fort Meyers Fla. The soil wasn't as hard to dig as it is in glacier country, but other than that, I've got to say the system really works.
We had a mini pond and waterfall installed in 6 hrs.
It would be faster with a few less guys, (we were all getting in eachothers way).
Brad from Driftwood Gardens and Dave were very knoledgable and gave lots of direction and feedback.
i think it was a very good value, and helped me with some decisions for the uncertain future of lawn maintenance.

Q-Team Inc
03-31-2004, 10:14 AM
How many guys were there? And how big was the pond?

Ax Man
04-01-2004, 08:47 AM
There were 10 guys, so we were dodging shovel blades and waiting in line to get rocks to place.

The pond was 8x11 and the waterfall /stream was about 10 feet long, 2 foot drop.

Funny, the highest thing in Florida is an overpass, so a 2 foot drop looks pretty impressive.
We used a 3000 gallon pump, which made for a nice 24 to 30 inch wide stream.

I'm now waiting for the how to succeed dvd, and then I guess I'll order the package with videos and bible.

The guys took it a little beyond basic, with lots of talk on the design concepts what rocks to place where and why. Eco system and sales.
Down there they get 7500 for a pond that size.

Q-Team Inc
04-01-2004, 10:05 AM
Ax man
Thanks for the info. I'm going to the build a pond day in a few weeks here in Maine.

I heard the highest peak in Florida was space mountain @ Disney!!!

At the Starting a water pond class I took already I talked to some installers that have put in ponds already. They were at the class trying to gain more knowledge and the average for a 11 X 16 pond without landscaping was around 6K without falls.

willywebb@charter.net
01-02-2005, 07:42 PM
undefinedIs there an alternative to using the over priced black thingies in the gravel? I'm thinking of using plastic 55 gallon drums with holes, cutting the lid off for acess to the pump for a pondless waterfall. Any thoughts on this? Also do I need the top filter waterfall box? What size pump should I use for a 6 foot drop? Is pump noise ever a problem? Any help will be greatly appreciated! :help:

JimLewis
01-16-2005, 04:44 AM
Is there an alternative to using the over priced black thingies in the gravel? I'm thinking of using plastic 55 gallon drums with holes, cutting the lid off for acess to the pump for a pondless waterfall. Yes, that will work. That's how we did it. See this thread for more information..... http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=78712

I agree, the AquaScape ones are WAY overpriced. I love the idea, but I can make something that works just as well for 1/4 the price.