Demo Results: Lazer Z vs. Dixie Chopper

[Lawnworks]

I finally did it. I have been meaning to demo both Exmark and Dixie and I finally did it yesterday and today. I have been using a 48" Encore ZTR, and both of the Lazer and DC are better machines. Here is a list of of the pros and cons. Keep in mind that this in Georgia and the type of grass is centipede and we cannot stripe down here. These mowers are both 60" side-discharge. The Exmark had 25 Kholer and the DC had a 23 Kholer.

Seat: Dixie had the more comfortable seat- more cushioning. The exmark seat was lower to the ground- lower center of gravity. The DC had better visibility.

Cut: Exmark had a slightly better cut although both were excellent.

Transmission and ride: The Dixe felt like a Cadillac. The transmission was silky smooth. Even at 14mph I felt like I was in complete control. The exmark felt like I could not control as well as the chopper at high speeds. The exmark transmission was stiff and the machine was not new (272 hrs) so it was broken in. The chopper was fun to drive alot more so than the exmark. Both use 10w-30 oil which is a big plus.

Noise: The chopper was quieter.

Deck thickness: The exmark had a thicker deck and a deeper looking deck.

Deck height control: The chopper was easier to adjust w/ the foot control. The exmark was kind of a pain to change the single pin to adjust height, but it was nice because it showed how high you were cutting in inches.

Cutting speed: The chopper wins of course- 14mph to 9.5 mph.

Cutting deck rollers: The exmark rollers were better and did not dig into the ground at all. The DC rollers dug in from time to time.

Side discharge to mulch: Takes a kit to install on a exmark, but takes seconds w/ a handle to push down a deck plug on the DC.

Deck engage: The exmark had the more advanced PTO switch, the DC had a twist handle to turn blades which you could do w/ your foot.

Better on hills: The dixie chopper was better because of the wheel spread which means the exmark was easier to trim or get to objects with.

Easier to work on: The DC because of the lack of compactness. The exmark was more compact and looked smaller.

Air filter: The DC has a 3-stage air filter that prolongs engine life and lessens air filter maintenance.

Appearance: The exmark is a "prettier" mower, but the chopper has a more expensive look especially at 14mph. The chopper has carpet mat where you put your feet that looks cheesy. Both look heavy duty commercial.

Price: Chopper is about $500 to $1000 more.

Deck noise: Exmark was louder.

Tires: Smaller chevron(DC) vs. bigger turf tire(Lazer Z). Chevron offers a little more traction, but turf tire will not tear up the yard as easy.

60" vs. 48": The 60" is better even on small yards. Gives less tire tracks. Wider, flatter cut. It even performed well on hills (better than my Encore).

The winner: I like the Dixie Chopper better. It was alot of fun to ride while productivity was better. It seems it would outlast an exmark and retain its value longer. I hope this will help yall. Hopefully, this post is the next best thing to trying them out for yourself.

Rick Wallace
LawnWorks

[Lazer]

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[Eric ELM]

Good report :D

[Lazer]

I gotta go get my Kleenex....

[BRL]

Reading Lazer's & Eric's appropriate & expected responses gave me one of the best laughs I've had at Lawnsite. Thanks guys & I'm sorry you lost this battle Lazer. Better luck next time! Congrats Eric!

[Eric ELM]

:D

[stick9]

Hey Lawnworks ..

I agree with ALMOST everything you said with the exception of 'Cut: Exmark had a slightly better cut although both were excellent.' Wrong. DC cuts MUCH better, discharges farther, and chops up the grass into smaller fibers that seem to disintegrate into the remaining grass. Everything else was GREAT.

stick-nINe

(BTW- DC cuts better in valleys that you need to 'carve' out with the mower, too.)

[Lazer]

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[KirbysLawn]

http://www.gifs.net/animate/anihomer.gif, big ole laugh. Sorry Lazer. :(

[stick9]

Hey man!

THAT IS COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you do that?!


stick9

[Eric ELM]

You do it like this. http://www.gifs.net/animate/anihomer.gif

[stick9]

Oh yeah! THAT sure clears it up, Eric. :)
TECHNICALLY, how do you do it? :)


SticK9

[Eric ELM]

I was going to email you the exact way to do it, but your email isn't listed, so email me and I'll send you the info. If I put it here it just does this. http://www.gifs.net/animate/anihomer.gif

[Lawnworks]

Stick9:
Have you tried both? It seemed like the exmark discharged further, but the DC chopped it up finer. The DC had dull gator blades, but the Lazer had sharp standard blades which confuses it further.

[Cutter1]

Laser all the way!!

[Turf Kutter]

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[Turf Kutter]

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[MJB]

"Side discharge to mulch: Takes a kit to install on a exmark, but takes seconds w/ a handle to push down a deck
plug on the DC."
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But the Exmark mulching kit mulches better than the Dixie. Well worth the time to install and use this time of year. Anyone can plug the discharge chute but that doesn't make it a mulching mower.

Side discharge would depend on which blades your using. Put on Exmark mulching blades and or gators and the clippings are much finer. Double up gators and high lifts and shoot the grass 15 ft. if thats what you want.
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Deck height control
: "The chopper was easier to adjust w/ the foot control. The exmark was kind of a pain to change the single pin to adjust height, but it was nice because it showed how high you were cutting in inc"

Exmark has the foot pedal option which is great for raising up the deck to go over a high sprinkler etc, or to change settings. The 1/4 " increments is great too.
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Durability, Reliability, Exmark all the way.

[John DiMartino]

Good review,I agree with you about the DC rollers digging in,I have to be careful or they'll tear up on turns,but i now know when it will do it,and lift the deck first.The chopper did 14mph?if it was a 23hp-i dont think it was a flatlander-it should've done about 10 ,if it was an XW.I like how easy access to the DC's engine,hydro system is,its the trade off for high seat height.I like the DC's belt system-less parts to break,and more simple.Whats wrong with the grey astro-turf on the floor of the DC? I like it,but wish it were held down in the back too,it gets slippery sometimes.Exmark is the better mulcher-hands down,very beefy deck too,but so is DC's.OCDC,is a nice feature i've come to depend on,not found on ex-mark.

[Scotty]

Lawnworks
Excellent report, I enjoy using the DC. We have tried other machines, but they usually end up sitting in the trailer after a couple hours.

[HOMER]

Where did ya'll get my picture from? Now everybody will know who I am!

Go Chopper!!!!!!!!!!!Everybody demo one and you'll experience the Chopper difference.

Quit messin' with my picture.

Homer

[exmarkman]

awesome report, learned a lot of useful information b/c i am considering buying a ztr next season.

[Lawnworks]

"The chopper did 14mph?if it was a 23hp-i dont think it was a flatlander-it should've done about 10 ,if it was an XW."

There is no way this mower only did 10 mph. It was alot faster than the exmark's 9.5mph. At least that is how it felt.

[Eric ELM]

My new XWD2600 goes 12 MPH, but I figured it was because it has the bigger tires because of the weight. It has the same size tires they put on the 72"ers, 25/12/9.

[Charles]

This is all Lawnworks opinion. And you know what they say about opinions.......:). So cheer up Lazer all is not lost.

[Lazer]

Thank Goodness!!

I was thinking Exmark had to fold up the operation at close of this year.

(Oh, that's right, they're the #1 selling Z only 5 years after introduction)

[dhicks]

What an excellent report. I do appreciate your time as I am thinking of adding a DC to my equipment list next year. That is, after a hydro seeder and renovator.

Thanks again.

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[John DiMartino]

Lawnworks,I get my inof from the DC brochure,website and dealer,as well as my experience with my own DC.Ill tell you this,I think DC's speed is right on the money accurate at 10 mph in my case.When i race my steiner flat out the steiner just slightly pulls away from the DC,it is supposed to do 11mph,so i think that is how it should be.The DC slightly pulls away from my greensmaster 3050 that does 8.8 mph.Either you drove a flatlander,(but they only have 25HP)engines or it did only 10 mph.The Exmark couldve been set low on the governor and the DC a little high.

[Lawnworks]

It seems as if DCs would market their product a little more. They need to do whatever Exmark did. Exmark is on top of the game when it comes to selling their mowers. DC also needs to get more dealers. Dixies sell like crazy at my dealer. He finds it hard to keep them in the store. DCs are a unique mower and have the potential to be a very high seller.

It seems as though alot of people want to bash DC because they scalp. I was extremely skeptical of them before I demoed them and was even scared to take it a nice lawn at first, but it turns out it did not scalp very much at all. This really surprised me. Some people do not know what they are talking about.

The exmark is a VERY nice machine. In my opinion, it is a little less scalp prone than a DC. The DC just has a better ride and feel w/ more options like foot control and OCDC. If I did not buy a DC I would buy an exmark with no questions asked. There is a reason for the exmark to be the #1 selling mower.

Rick
LawnWorks

[jrblawncare]

Great report..I may have looked at Dixie but dealer support was an issue....opinions..opinions thats what makes the world-go-round.I went with the Lazer and I'm VERY happy with it!

[Scotty]

The Exmark is a cheaper machine, maybe that's the reason it's the #1 selling machine.

One more note about scalping, it can be done with any machine. I think it's a matter of knowing how to operate the DC. The nice thing with DC, is when you see an area coming up that may be prone to scalping, you can simply raise the the deck without stopping, pass over the area and then return deck back to orginal setting. Know one can see the difference in grass height; however if the lawn was bright yellow from scalping it would be very noticeable.

[MJB]

My competition here uses his DC for spreading fertilizer only, he even took off the 60" deck, said won't buy another fixed deck. Now he's buying Exmark Lazers and says his employees don't gouge the lawns anymore, and that the Exmark are better built. That's his opinion.
Lazers all the way..

[MJB]

Scotty, Exmarks can raise the deck without stopping too, with the foot pedal. Are the new DC fixed or floating decks?

[luckylawnboy]

Take out that 1/2" spacer on the blades, termendous difference in scalping, my Dixie hardly ever scalps now that I removed it.

[bdemir]

I just purchased a lazer so currnetly i am riding the demo 52" lazer hp. I have a few things to say about the results.
First i would like to say that i have two dixie coppers and love them both but it was time to change. Here are my reasons. The dixie seems to have a deck problem with their chains breaking then with scalping too. The old style decks dont hold up and the height adjustments get screwed up bigtime when those little bicycle chains break loose. Then you only have like 5 settings to adjust your deck with but with exmark you have 1/4 inch increments and they are fast and easy a lot easier than digging your heel into that foot thing and kocking your ancle down to get it right. I dunno maybe mine is harder than the newer ones. Next thing is how do you figure an exmark is not good on hills compared to a dixie. You for sure got that one wrong. Just look at both mowers and their weight placements and look at the tire differences. Exmark is like a spider copared to the dixie thats why you sit like a formula one driver and sacrifice that comfort you get on the dixie. I do admit the dixie is so nice but if you cut hills you need to get something else. The last thing is the dixie cuts great and cops the grass finer but overall you get a more even and fluffier and deeper cut with the exmark that leaves the grass like a manicured carpet. And thats it. SO theres my point after owning 2 dixies for two years. I switched ower because of the deck problem, the hills, and just needed a new tough decked good cutting mower.~!!! so huh!:D


Bedros

[Atlantic Lawn]

Thanks to all who posted, great forum and great info.

[TLS]

bdemir,

Join the club. I was a DIEHARD Dixie fan. The Lazers are just much more refined and precise. Deck lift was a major factor for me with the 1/4" increments. The only other minus I can think of with the Lazer line vs the Dixie, is when its wet and mud clogs up the tires. When you go across a driveway or back to the trailer, the mud lets go all over the pavement. No biggie, but never happened with the Dixie's ATV tread.

Overall, not bashing Dixie's but they need to really look at the calendar and see that it is 2001 not 1985. Do a total ground up re-engineer on the lineup. In theory they are a great mower, just make some changes to update them to the standards that the Lazer line has set.

[Fine Lines Lawn]

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[swn]

Excellent reports from everyone! :) This is the best I could do with a picture.

[Wood Lawn Man]

Lawnworks, if I were you I would look at the Kawasaki enginges that the different companies have to offer. Also, add the Turf Tiger into the mix.

[Fallguy]

dude - you all keep talking about mowing at 10 - 14 mph - im calling bull$#^! - yeah - you can mow that fast but why damage your equipment? because i know its all a show off - but how good is production when your double cutting or tripple cutting - all my accounts are weekly and within a weeks time some lawns with irrigation have grown up enough to bog down my 2000 snapper 52in deck with 25hp kohler and deadly sharp blades where its about as productive as a murray rider - either you all love double cutting and ragging out your equipment - or the people you mow for love a scalped yard - so which is it?:confused:

[HOMER]

Dude:blob3: Maybe it's time to shove the Snapper under the shed and get a commercial mower, a real one. Bogging down in a yard after a weeks growth in Louisiana? Sounds like your taking a little too much off at one time Dude. If your following the 1/3 rule there is no reason than napster can't cut it without bogging............dude.

Dude.............one can scalp at 2 mph as well as 10. It's all in the method used.:confused: (scratching butt)

[gorrell]

Homer, it's obvious he's never been on a DC. We mowed a measured 40 acres(no trimminng) in 3 hours and 20 minutes last week with two suburb'n turbn's and a flatlander. You can do the math, as you know it can and is done everyday...................Lynn

[swn]

Gorrell, I did the math and I think that would be about 4 acres per hr. with each machine, if they all 3 cut the same amount. I always like math problems. Just wondering if I figured right.
You da man. That's a lot of mowing. I don't doubt you at all. I bet you all have fun at that place. Wish I had an area like that to mow around here. Keep up the good work.

[Fallguy]

when i first went looking for my mower i test drove every compariable ZTR out there available in my area - Great dane - Exmark - Gravely - Toro - Hustler - Dixon - John Deere - and various others that arent even worth mentioning - i was a privious exmark fan and liked my setup which included - a exmark lazer - a 48in exmark - a 36in exmark and a 32in exmark - after i test drove my 52in snapper with 25hp kohler - i was sold - it was faster than anything i have ever test drove - had a better cut - and with all the roller castors on the deck i couldnt even accidentaly scalp a yard - i know i have one of the best mowers available and its capabilities - thats why i doubt that people are out there mowing full blast at 10 - 14 mph flawlessly - even i have spots to go back over - do you see my point? - all things considered - maybe i have rougher yards than you other people do - this was never intended to become a argument.
One more thing - for you homer dude - you have so much to say typin responses to so many of the posts here....hmmmmmm...makes me wonder how much mowing you actually do....dude

[swn]

:confused: Fallguy, what are you doing? Now you are doubting Homer. I haven't been here long but I have found that this is just a place were people offer advice and ask questions. We shouldn't doubt how much someone mows, owns, or whatever. I know I am a little nieve, but I tend to take a man's word as the truth.
Anyway, you will not make many friends on here at the rate you are going. I mean Eric and Homer are 2 of the coolest guys on here, and you are talking about them? If you stay around for a while you will probably find that they will offer as much information on this site as anyone. Good luck.

[Fallguy]

im not here to make friends - im here to give valuable information that will hopefully benifit some people that are less lucky than myself when it comes to starting a lawn care business - if by chance i get side tracked by calling B/S on someone for not knowing what they are talking about or whos ego's are blown up so big like a goodyear blimp then i bring out the rocket launcher and knock the hot air out of em - simple as that - and as far as that goes - i have had my business running for years - same clients as always - same routine and same wallet that is hard to close - this web site is about as helpfull to me as a whale fart:eek:

[David Gretzmier]

Fallguy- with 18 posts, and you mouthing off about homer,eric & whale farts, let me tell you- people won't care what information you have to give. most of these folks don't mouth off, don't disguise cussing in posts, and have no reason to lie because we typically aren't competitors. You need to look at CONSENSUS when it comes to machines, and search the posts. It aint just eric and homer who run these macines. It's hundreds of folks blasting away. Either they all are lying, or your wrong. Have you even ridden a chopper? I don't even have one, but after riding in Louisville at the expo, I know they are scary fast and can mow fast. VERY. Lighten up if you want people to respect the information you have to share. 18 posts. sheesh. Dave g

[SLS]

My best friend has a Dixie Chopper and I have a Lazer Z. After much "joshing" we got together and tried out each others machines...and both walked away impressed with the others ZTR. Both are great machines!

BTW: The deck assist foot pedal was the best $50 I've spent all year. Its great for not scalping the high area around big trees and comes on very handy for going over small curbs, driveway edges, sidwalks, etc.

I really have enjoyed reading this thread!

[Fallguy]

dave - look - it dont matter what you believe or anybody else believes - as far as i can see a site like this has no hope of helping a person who is already established like myself - some of the issues are relatively important on here - but i get tired of the bragging part of it - and its all i see - and if there would have been a place to buy a dixie chopper maybe i would have - i dont doubt that they are good mowers - do you think these prople want to hear about your feelings on me being doubtfull or do you think youd like to drop this stupid discussion and move to something of greater importance? because its kinda boring me now

[Jim Corcoran]

The local deere dealer who is a friend,has been considering adding another line. One of his accounts has been pushing him to add Skag. I have been doing some surfing here to get some sort of feedback from you all to help him with his decision. From what I gathered,Skag is probably not the best way to go. Exmark and Dixie Chopper seem to be the front runners. What are the pricing points on these? What kind of warranties are available? How effient is the spare parts pipeline? Which one holds up better with severe commercial use?
There is not a dealer within 50 miles that handles Exmark or Dixie Chopper. As a Deere dealer,he has an outstanding reputation. His concern is having to suddenly clog up his service dept with broken commercial mowers,that guys need right now. And also having them sitting there while waiting for parts. He understands that commercial mowers do not have 3 or 4 days to wait for their machine. Any constructive advice or criticism would be appreciated. Also before I forget,does anyone know the particulars of financing available on these machines?

[SLS]

Jim:

Are there any big Kubota dealers in your area? The two that we have in the Nashville, TN. area are now Exmark distributors. Being that your friend is a John Deere dealer he may want to see if this will have any impact on adding Exmark to his line.

The John Deere dealer in our area carries Bobcat and just picked up another ZTR line as well (can't recall the name of it but it is gold colored, has chrome wheels and I think it is called "Land-something"?)

Maybe he could contact Sumner County Tractor in Hendersonville, TN. ( the local Deere dealer) about these 2 secondary lines for in depth info?

Just a thought.....

[Fallguy]

why on earth would a deere dealer want to add someone like scag or or exmark ? - deere is like the pinical of lawn tractors - they were a little slow on the ZTR mower craze but man - back before i had a professional lawn service i had a old john deere hydrostatic that lasted through beatings that i gave it because i wanted my dad to get something newer - lol - i couldnt kill that thing - id stay like i was - deeres are good tractors and solid - plus i bet deere engineers have got a little something under wraps that will revolutionise mowing - anyhow - i used to run exmark and was always impressed untill i went all snapper - and im glad i did because all the exmark places around here look like exmark graveyards

[Eric ELM]

Originally posted by Fallguy
im not here to make friends - - this web site is about as helpfull to me as a whale fart:eek:

Dude Fallguy,
I've noticed you are not trying to make friends. Some of us have been posting for about 2 years and have become friends and gotten together as a group to discuss lawn biz. This forum has become a community of great members.

If this forum isn't of value to you, then why do you stick around.

I don't appreciate being called a liar and I'm sure others here do not either. Just about every post you have done has been in doubt of what someone has said, but you say you are here to learn. Lighten up.

One more saying is, Sticks and Stones can break your bones, but my mouse can make you a guest.

[David Gretzmier]

Fallguy- deere's frontmount 1400 is a good piece of work. I'm not sure the ztrack or the f620 is thier last hurrah on ztr's, and I did love the hydro walk i had from them 7 years ago. the plastic deers I see at lowes and the lower lines bother me. my deere dealer here also sells kubota and walker, and sells lots of all 3 brands.

Also- I'm sorry this website doesn't offer you any new info since you are established. I must be still getting established at 20 years in the biz and 500k+, because I seem to learn something new every time I log on. maybe I am missing something about this snapper fetish you have. If you've run others and think they are better, then I guess you are entitled to your opinion.

You didn't hurt my feelings. You slammed the site and people, and I was defending both. I sense you are looking for something, or you wouldn't still be here. If you have established yourself and find nothing new here, I hope you stay and share your knowledge with those of us still learning. I'd still temper your responses with the thought that you wish others would value your knowledge. and slamming others and the site won't get you there. Sorry this bores you. how we treat each other on this site is important to me, and maybe others. Dave g

[oneEXMARKfan]

I had a old john deere hydrostatic that lasted through beatings that i gave it because i wanted my dad to get something newer"
Fallguy........please tell me your never really dis-respected your father's Deere like that.

[Jim Corcoran]

Hey Dave
Nice to see someone from S.W.Ar! While working as a store mgr for Wal-Mart, I lived in Bella Vista. Worked at Store #1 in Rogers,and helped closed the old store in Bentonville,and open the new Super Center there. Great place to live especially the fishing and golfing. After moving around the country for them, I decided it was best to move back around family for my son's benefit. That was in 92. Now for the past 5 yrs,him and I, have been doing lawn care(about 20 hrs a week) on the side. Well anyway,hope you all are enjoying the weather your way,as it seems as if it has been raining for a solid week here.
Deere dealer here does have the usual deere machines,and believe me I am a firm believer in deere's dealer support networkwork. I am not using any Ztr at this time. I have been mainly using tractors. I also buy and sell tradeins,and whatnot. I have been using a 445 myself along with a lx188,and a 318. I went with the new 445,because I could do so much more with it. I have the tiller,broom,blade,thatcher,plugger,roller,3 pt,back blade,yourk rake,and my next purchase for it will be a loader. I have gotten into more than just cutting grass,as I believe there is more market there for us to grow into. Now tha I have this part of my equipment needs taken care of,I will probably start looking at some sort of ZTR. So I am taking a personal interest in the search as to what would be the best OVERALL line for my buddy(Deere Dealer) to maybe take on. Deere looks like they are taking a serious look at the ZTR market,and maybe come up with some new ideas. I understand they bought Great Dane,and maybe that has something to do with it. Any impressions on Great Dane?

[oneEXMARKfan]

I just re-read your 1st post in this thread, and something isn't right. How could you have been "always impressed" with eXmark, and find a brand that you think is better, only to have a mower that "within a weeks time some lawns with
irrigation have grown up enough to bog down my 2000 snapper 52in deck with 25hp kohler and deadly sharp blades where its about as productive as a murray
rider"........ (I may have heard that Kohlers bog-down easy)......[just glad mine cuts excellent at any speed] Another part of your post "but how good is production when your double cutting or tripple cutting" ..........lol........(What is that about?) I'll help you if I can.......check your RPMs, ect........We'll figure something out, so you too can feel a 10MPH breeze, and cut flawlessly. If not, you better do like Homer said, and park it.....on the porch.....don't let it get around the big dawgs. (Eric, Homer, others, I'll bet that 10+ MPH wind feel too good to you on a hot day.....lol......... bet it gets real cool around mid-October
BRRRRR.........he he he)

[HOMER]

I have a good time sharing info with the people on this forum, been doing it for a while now. I too have met with several of the members in person and found every single one of them to be great people........with good character and personalities. You on the other hand are just the opposite and fall (pun intended) into the category of human beings that I don't care to associate with. Everything in your life must be negative, how in the world can you operate a business with the ego you have. Smart people can pick up on a mans character without seeing him face to face or talking with him on the phone..........I got you pegged as one arrogant DUDE!

It's 12:50 am right now, I usually don't mow grass at this hour. I usually don't mow at 4:30 am either............I find time to socialize so that it doesn't interfere with my ability to work and make a living.

As for the Snapper you own, I'm very glad your having good luck with it. I hope it continues to give you years of service. Trying to tear up a mower so your Daddy would buy another one is even more evidence that you are/were a spoiled child. Most of the people on here have struggled to build their businesses on their own, one piece at a time, one customer at a time. I know I didn't have any help from my Daddy and I'm sure a lot of others didn't either. The people on here have also given up full time jobs to chase a dream, if they happen to brag on a piece of equipment they own then I think they have every right to do so without being ridiculed by someone like yourself. Every purchase we've made has been a risk and every payment made is another sigh of relief. We all work hard every day, some are right where they want to be and some are still trying to get there. If I can help anyone I will, If I need help then I know where to go. Thats what has taken place over the last couple years here. If you think you are too good and too educated to learn anything then what about sticking around and offering advice to those that need your wisdom. If that's not something your interested in then don't expect people to respect anything you have to say. Like I said in a previous post, I know where the back button is and I know how to use it.

Thank you so much for your time.

[oneEXMARKfan]

" for you homer dude - you have so much to say typin responses to so many of the posts here....hmmmmmm...makes me wonder how much mowing you actually do....dude" .........*Fallguy dude, now you got me feeling plum-sorry for you, knowing your out there, suffering having to double cut, much less triple cut. No wonder you have no time to hang out here with the fellas.....I feel your pain.......(But how could that be? you tested them all, and I quote, "after i test drove my 52in snapper with 25hp kohler - i was sold - it was faster than anything i have ever test drove -had a better cut")