Scrub Pics Here!

[lawrence stone]

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1209854&a=9472460&p=31078853

[stick9]

Is that someone you were driving by?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
stick-9

[bob]

Great picture Larry. Keep'em comming! I wonder what the GVRW of that trailer is?

[Chuck Sinclair]

Originally posted by lawrence stone
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1209854&a=9472460&p=31078853

Why is he a scrub because he isnt driving a fancy truck with a fancy trailer?
I pull one of the trailers you put together your self 4x8 with wooden sides on it. Does that make me a scrub?

[Banzaitoy]

LAWERENCE: Why don't you post a picture of your first trailer and mower?

[thelawnguy]

What Im wondering is, how he's gonna get that Crapsman rider in the trailer up the hill? Certainly not off the ramp and over the hood of the car parked against his tailgate!

[Charles]

That looks like Jed Clampetts outfit on the beverly hillbilly s Lawrence :)

[davesgs75]

i have not been on the forum to long, so i would like a good definition of a scrub. is it the truck you drive, the trailor you pull, the lousy job you do, or cutting prices on people? maybe it is all of the above.

[Vandora Lawn & Landscape]

Begginer. Not legitimate. Old/used equipment. Scummy looking. Unprofessional. Anything else?

[awm]

Looks like a man who probably doesnt have
nightmares about making his overhead each
month. that truck can make the bucks.

[BRL]

Larry,
If you'd clean your darned mirrors once in a while we probably would have gotten an unmasked (or unKirby'd) view of you ;) Foiled again!
Bill,
That's actually the prototype of the twister trailer. When he's ready to unload he'll just point the end of the trailer into the street and ramp down the front!
Dave,
If you really want to know, do a search. Plenty of heated debate on that one already.

[T.C.O.B.]

Let he who Judges someone, be Judged Himself!

From what I can see of his truck mirror and yours, they are the same! I'd rather have that guy working on my landscape then you anyday. He's out working hard, not riding around with a camera and complaining to everyone that this is why you can't make money. Maybe you should take those negative feelings and put them towards something positive. Like focusing on your business and professionalism. I don't see anything Professional about your Post!

[slingshot]

Thats what i call a phat whip. its setups like that that give us serious lco bad names. and you guys wonder why mrs johnson wont pay over 10 bucks to have her lawn cut . its because cheeko tha grass bandit will do it for 6.00 cash. as long as there are people like that running around we will all only be considered the guy that cuts my grass. keep up the good work stone.

[Five Star Lawn Care LLC]

i think stone is right i hate all the scruby landscapers out there....stones mirros are probably dirty b/c he works a lot and doesnt have time to clean his nice truck. Scrubs put a had name to landscapers, if u tell someone u are a landscaper chances are they are going to think ewwww b/c they see all the othere scrub landscapers with there broken down crap. Im glad im not a SCRUB!

[landscaper3]

Hey Stone keep those pics coming. Those are the guys we have to compete with. Luckly they dont stay in business long from there reputation, quility of work and old equipment. But you have to start somewhere but I wasnt like that!!!

[awm]

there really will always be people like
that around.Its just cutting grass.
The real way to go for homeowners who
are not real particular,is a kid using his dads
mower and gas.ABSOLUTLY NO OVERHEAD
What im saying is you got to offer
the homeowner something he cant get
from just anyone who can crank a lawnmower.
knowledge,top quality dependable service.
BE ABLE TO SHOW THEM WHY THEY SHOULD GOWITH
YOU RATHER THAN THE NEIGHBORS KID.
The real world. Later

[powerreel]

That looks like the rig that was trying to sell me some old Toro WB with a sulkie and doubleblades on it!!!!LOL!!!

[scottb]

If being a beginner or not having a nice trailer makes you a scrub than I have somthing you can all scrub. I come to this site to learn info and alot of good info at that. Lets stop trying to keep up with the Jones's and worry about our own selves.

[KirbysLawn]

I would assume that guy lives there, how would you get the ole' MTD up that hill! :eek:

[steveair]

Great shot,

Reminds me of how I wish I had my camera the other day. Was sitting at a stoplight and to the left of me pulls up one hell of a operation.

It was a 86 chevy surburban, rusted to all hell, pulling a 8 foot, single axle homemade trailer with 2 scags (not sure of sizes) and all kinds of misc. homelite, craftsman, etc. equipment piled up on top of them.

The real kicker was this. The suburban had a magnetic sign on the door, #$%% lawn mowing, and then, all over the rest of the truck and windows, had advertisements for 'Lou's fish market' I guess in between 'this weeks catch', he goes out and mows a few lawns.

I don't know what I would do it that thing showed up to mow my yard......

steveair

[Banzaitoy]

He would at least have an inexhaustable supply of Fish Emulsion. LAWERENCE: WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF YOUR FIRST TRAILER AND MOWER?

[lawrence stone]

In response to the scrub "advocates":


Sinclac wrote:

>I pull one of the trailers you put together your self 4x8 with wooden sides on it. Does that make me a scrub?

If the shoe fits wear it!!

awm wrote:

>Looks like a man who probably doesnt have
nightmares about making his overhead each
month.

That's good for it looks like most of his time awake is a nightmare.

TCOB wrote:

>Let he who Judges someone, be Judged Himself!

Just what we need here ANOTHER southern fundamentalist
zealot.

Banzaitoy wrote:

>LAWERENCE: WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF YOUR FIRST TRAILER AND MOWER?

They are on the mantel next to my academy award for trolling.

[MOW ED]

I haven't laughed this hard at a post and the replys in a long time. Leave it to Larry to stir the pot. I think its great.

By the way I don't think the guy was there to mow, he was there finalizing the elevations for when he installs a terraced block wall and koi pond at the property. Keep smiling.

[Cutter1]

Its a dog eat dog world. THose of you defending this guy, fine. To me, he is a guy taking my possible business and doing it illegally. No insurance, no TAXES!! Thats the competition, I say bug them until they quit.

[zimm4]

What if the guy does top notch work. The customers are happy and most of them never see his rig. What difference does this make. does this mean he is a scrub???????

Kyle

[TGCummings]

LOL!

Now, how in the world would you know, from looking at the photo, that this guy doesn't carry insurance or pay his taxes? ;)

We're making an awful lot of assumptions based on appearance, and I think that can be damaging.

However, that does look a whole lot like my stepfather's old operation... :D

-TGC

[Chuck Sinclair]

Originally posted by lawrence stone
In response to the scrub "advocates":


Sinclac wrote:

>I pull one of the trailers you put together your self 4x8 with wooden sides on it. Does that make me a scrub?

If the shoe fits wear it!!



lawrence,

You need to calm down this guy might be a threat to an operation like yours. But not mine, because i do quality work i have insurance and am fully licensed pay my taxes just like every one else. You might want to spend some time improving your self and not others.

[davesgs75]

i looked at the picture as good as i could. There are no sign's that advertise this guy even does lawn service. i could see no other equipment than a riding mower of some type. Maybe he is like some guys in my area that deal in junk or something like that. Was he seen cutting grass? Maybe he just went to cut his mothers or grandmothers lawn.

Also like someoneelse said how about pic's of first and even current set up's.

[Cutter1]

I think that this topic has gottne to the point, where the picture has nothing to do with it!! I stand by what I said earlier, but looking at this picture I can't tell that he doesn't have insurance or pay taxes. I meant was a generalization that a lot of guys out there are not legit.

[Skookum]

Hey, That's my local Scag dealer!

[Mid Rivers]

Lets see, from looking at the truck you can tell he doesn't have insurance or pay taxes. Some of you are very intuative. At least the guy is working rather than sitting on his butt collecting a check from the Gov. Some of you guys need to jump off your pedestal. Stone after you get done cleaning your mirror, take a look in it and see if you are really any better than that person. Bet not.

[Grassman]

This guy's rig ain't pretty, but at least He's not pulling around 15yr old Toro belt drives and bragging on the internet about it.

[MIDSOUTH]

thats probably the gr8one's setup-after the lawsuit!!

[leeslawncare]

So guys ,i guess you all started out with 20k trucks an that much equ.????I'am sure alot of guys didn't that now have nice stuff ,does that make them a scrub now or a bigget?

[Twotoros]

I could crash this server with pics of trucks in this town with no signs . A lot are 'surfs' but I personally know guys that pay tax and have no sign . Also one of my trucks could pass as 'surfmobile' but I gurantee that the tax man has his arm firly planted up my smelly arse. The car dealers in this fine country would be thrilled to sell all us lawn boys a shiny new truck every other year.

I say if you think someone is a 'surf' snap a pic and show it to the state enforcer squad. Make sure the plate # shows up . Let's wage war.

[JJ Lawn]

Some of you guy's are protesting about this person, (which you really know nothing about) saying he is the compitition, he is a scrub and he is taking your jobs away from you. Like you could mow every yard in town. Give me a break.


Jim

[John DiMartino]

If the guy is insured,and licensed if he's spraying-leave him alone.I dont have signs either-although my rig is quite a bit newer and nicer than his.I pay my insurance and fees.the biggest LCo's in our area do not have signs on their trucks.

[awm]

First i absolutely do not mean this as a threat.
Just a word to the wise.Be careful whos
picture you post for ridicule or whatever.
I know good hardworking men here in carolina
that if they saw their picture depicted
in this way.Lets just say ,ihope they
would laugh it off. We dont need this
forum to produce that kind of trouble.
I post this with the best intention
and not intending to offend anyone.
thanks for your attention TM

[accuratelawn]

These type of operations only get the crap lawns- fine let them have them!
If you guys are worried about losing accounts to these guys you are in sad shape.
In some cases they help by getting people used to having someone care for their lawn. When they go out of business, a legit co. can step in and really shine.
Yes alot of us started out scrubs. I started with 6 x 12 with a 21" Toro and 36 JD gear drive. My tow vehicle was a 95 Olds. If you are a businessman you will grow your business by providing good service and reinvesting in your business.
We need more pics...good for a laugh!

[cos]

I used to be like that when I first started and then bought newer and nicer equipment. When I first got a newer truck and even when I bought a new one I used look down on people and came to a realization that that is wrong. As long as you are out there and trying to make a buck and not sitting on your a$$ while my tax money supports you, than more power to you. I believe that if you are scruffy lookin with a beard and pony tail and just plain don't care about what you look like and don't care how your employee's look than the customer they have is probably not the type of customer I want. If you do a good quality job and look professional while pulling up to a person's house than people don't mind paying the money. I don't claim to be the best and never will, but I try like hell not to embarrass myself. I just totally ignore them "so called scrubs" and don't carry my camera around snaping pictures of them and don't waste my time pronouncing them as such. Live and let live.

[leeslawncare]

good answer cos.i pay my taxes an my clients see what i stand for as far as my work goes.it speaks for it's self!i may not have the flashy new truck like some other folks,but a man hasta start some where? right I don't have a chopper like most folks but my 2 walk behinds are practical for my buz at the moment .I don't undercut other folks cause ...i don't have to an i don't talk DOWN on anyone .........

[thelawnguy]

The lawn business depends on the bottom feeders so as to keep the problem customers out of my (and probably yours too) hair.

If it werent for lowball scrubs these customers would be hounding me for estimates to mow their thistle lawns, pick up dog dirt, clean their gutters, wash their cars etc.

[northeast]

How many of you would really like to cut that lawn anyway!!
Not me. I would rather see that setup in front of lawns I wouldnt cut,then in front of some high end rezzie.Keep him busy by giving him all your crappy lawns you dont want.
He probably uses a cum-a-long to get the mtd to the top of hill. Nick

[Lawnworks]

I do not know what you scrub advocates are thinking? I want to be the best. That means, anilate the competition! It is true some competition are nice people even some scrubs. BUT some of you guys mow to put food on the table. I do not agree with most of Darwin's theories, but survival of the fittest applies in lawncare. I look down on scrubs because most of them hurt our businesses and they work for free. Ten dollars an hour does not cut it!! I guess I agree with Stone, and quite honestly, I want to see more scrub pictures! As soon as I get a digital camera, I will show yall the scrubs we have to deal with down here in GA.

Rick
LawnWorks

[Cutter1]

I agree Lawnworks!!! Its a tough business, if you can't handle it, get out.

[lawnworker]

the year model of your truck has nothing to do with being a scrub are not i have a 81 f100 ford with a straight six in it it has no rust good paint and i put 410 gears in it to pull my 6x12 trailer .I am not knocking all you new tuck buyers out there i just look at the whole picture of the money chain and cant justify 30 grand for a new truck.also have a 86 K10 with 56000 on it with 373 gears in it both of these trucks look good and do the job ones paid for free and clear other i owe 5400 on .when you dont have to pay for these new trucks you can get by with less work comeing in sorta like stone and his toro mowers he likes to work on so much becouse they are less costly .I have seen some businesses buy two much and go under when times got slow to each his own.A little soap and water goes along way on them nice older model trucks FORDS and CHEVEYS.

[Lawnworks]

My dad says vehicles are pure expense which is very true. Now do not get me wrong, I love the new Dodges and Fords, but their value does nothing but depreciate. If you can swallow your pride you will save alot of money by driving cheaper(price not quality) trucks.

[Mid Rivers]

I think I am figuring this scrub thing out. If a person doesn't have a new truck and equipment to pay for they are a scrub. The "scrub" doesn't have the large payments so therefore he can charge less to do a job.

New truck = $35,000, used truck = $7,000

Any good business person knows not to spend more than you make. If you do that and have to charge more to run your business then that is your own fault not the scrubs.

Keep spending that money and I'll keep an eye in the used equipment section and buy your stuff when you go out of business.

[Scraper]

I gotta get me a digital camera...scrubs galore here in Philadelphia area~~~!

No offense Cos, but you do realize they hurt us all? I may not be a huge operation, but I charge $$$.

[Kevin]

Those scranton-wb hills are rough. I had a cus with a slope like that once. LS go to your local courthouse find out who lives there send them a proposal... just kidding. For those of you who think stone's truck was dirty on purpose, he fogged his mirrors to protect his identity!!

[HealthyLawns]

Oh No!!! .
I drive a 77dodge van with a 6 year old 36" Scag, ancient Snapper trimmer, old Echo blower, a Rubbermaid trash can I found on the side of the road, a ladder that was thrown out at my full time job, a hedge trimmer that is so old I have no idea what it is, and a 16" "Crapsman" chainsaw that I bought used from Sears for $69. The only new things in my van are the gas and the trimmer line, and I wish I could have gotten them cheaper!! I just got my first customer 3 weeks ago. I'm licensed and insured, and I will be more honest about my taxes than at least 3/4 of the lawn guys I've met. I spent a grand total of $2400 on EVERYTHING. I don't give a hoot what any of you think of my operation, and I will post some pictures as soon as possible!!!

No hard feelings guys, this is just kind of petty to me.

[yardsmith]

Hey Stone;
don't be knockin them Chevy trucks now; I've been looking for a shortbed like that! (only preferably with a reg. bed on it:))
Anyways, I distinctly remember you saying that if you were threatened by guys like these, you're in trouble."These types do not affect me at all"-so why bother then I guess I'm wondering.
I have an 84 & 87 Chevy 1/2 ton trucks, & bought a 79 shortbed that looks worse than that one with a Boss V-plow.
It plowed all winter for me like a champ, & was more reliable at the time than my 87.
I like the mid 80's Chevy's, & if I get a scratch on it, I don't have a cow. (by the way, your mirror looks just like mine & the one in the pic, but who's counting?)
For half the cost of a new truck, my 87 silverado would be a Show truck that could pull a house off it's foundation. I'm at the point where my money goes into mowers & $$ making equip., not a trailer tug.
Both sides of this story have validity. If he's starting out that way, then fine, as long as he's licensed & charges a fair price (doubtful). But I don't think he should still be like that 4 yrs. down the road.
Just my 3 cents.

[lawnworker]

yeah we with the older trucks can charge just as much as long as we have the best equipment for the job.And know how to stripe those pretty lines in the yard and taking a bath every day helps also for a good image.

[Indiana]

When I started out, I used to mow with a 4 WD Yanmar tractor and a 48" 3 point hitch mower. I had a small hand held blower, and a Robin trimmer. I pulled everything with a 1983 4 WD chevy pick-up. I had three real big mowing jobs that's it. However, I always took care of my stuff. And tried to look professional doing it. No signs (big mistake) but I did have a company name.

I see guys like the picture and worst all the time. We live in Scrubville. Everybody telling me, I can't believe you get that kind of money. BUT! I compare my quality, license, insurance, experience (9 years), and equipment, there's worlds of difference between me and them.

I don't hate them, but I do have trouble with their work, prices and attitude. Most of them have jobs 8-5 or 7-3, that pays their living expenses, so they charge $5-$10 to mow and shoot grass all over cars, houses and roads. When it gets hot in summer, they go out of business and forget to tell their customers. Somehow they always seem to get paid for doing nothing. (I still don't understand how this happens)

I wish NCDA or somebody would come visit Scrubville.

[Alan]

Moderators, other than giving someone a vehicle to inflate his already oversized ego, just what purpose does this thread serve and why is it allowed to run on?

[lawrence stone]

Did you notice that it is always the guys who never have nothing to contribute that are the biggest complainers?

[Turf Kutter]

Great post sinlac now you gave stone a good taste of his medicine. It took him a while to figure that one out.:)Keep it firing back sinlac I give a thumbs up.:)And by the way who deleted my last post on this topic.I would like to know because I was not cussing,bashing just stating my opinion like the meaning of this forum.So please step forward whoever you are.thanks.:)

[awm]

Leave it.I have come to see it as quick
reference as to what type person each
individual poster is.Everybody has the
right to be and think whatever they
please as long as it doesnt impose
on others rights.I dont like putting
label on people but if you do,go for
it . It lets me know what i need to know.

[Eric ELM]

Originally posted by lawrence stone
Did you notice that it is always the guys who never have nothing to contribute that are the biggest complainers?

Yes Larry, I have noticed this.

[Turf Kutter]

I use a yard-pro 22" mower, homelite trimmer,echo handheld blower.Larry I guess I kinda point my finger at you because you talk about scrubs with my situation.I am turning 14 next month and that is what I have.Did`nt you guys start out with something simalair to my equipment?Just because I don`t have toro commercial walkbehinds,$1000.00 trailer,commercial edgers,trimmers,blowers so larry can refer to me and the few others on this forum that now have something like my equipment now.Well Larry I don`t see you really contributing anything usefull besides making fun of others and that is benefeting yourself, not really others. The majority of your posts are mostly making a smile on your face but not all others, so have a little respect too please.The majority of your posts are making fun of people or things, for example you ar making funm of the members on here or people that don`t have commercial equipment.I try hard with the equipment I have to make money and I want to try harder and harder till I get somewhere in the top.So treat everyone the same you treat yourself.This is my opinion.

[Scraper]

Hey Turfkutter...shouldn't you be in school studying? ;)

P.S. He's just ribb'n ya and it's working! I can ensure you...he's not worried about 14 year olds.

[Turf Kutter]

No scraper you are wrong I am studying with my books beside me because I am homeschooled at the time being.January I am going in a magnet program at my local school and I will only have to go to school Monday-Thursday.I am not getting ribbd either.He could make some helpful posts once in a while too.

[Scraper]

I do believe he does...if not maybe it's because your lack of reading his responses

P.S. What have you contributed lately?

[Lawnworks]

Some of you guys take this scrub matter personal. Turf Kutter: You are only 14. You have plenty of time to improve your lawn service. In the future I am sure you will get better equipment. To tell you the truth, the better your equipment the more potential you have for making money. Best/Better equipment= better quality work
and increased productivity Obviously, you can charge more and spend less time at the job site. I know it is hard being young in the business, but stick with it. I started when I was 12 and now am about to be 18. BUT I stick to my theory of scrubs. They are my competition. They are lowballers that cannot offer the same characteristics of my company: dependability, level of quality work, and number of services performed. To tell you the truth, scrubs kinda piss me off. If it is a young kid I do not mind at all because I think if a kid is in this business he deserves respect and encouragement. BUT adult scrubs arouse my competitive spirit and make me a little bitter.

[Turf Kutter]

Thanks alot lawnworks.Thanks for teaching me about stone in your last sentence. I sure appreciate it.:)

[thelawnguy]

Ive been thinking about this today. What kind of truck you have shouldnt make a difference. Six years ago I had a shiny new truck with 6 miles on the clock, now its got 60,000 rust dents peeling paint a hole in the floor etc. I dont feel any more or less a scrub than I did back then. And I sure as heck arent going to buy a new truck and start the cycle over again until this one is DOA.

What does irk me is the guys who think paying taxes, getting the right permits etc is for others. I was talking to a guy 18 years in the biz, one ton dump, name on the side in real paint (no decal for him), truck loader, two of each equipment on the trailer and he warns me that the towns are starting to snoop and try to collect property tax. Then he looks at me like Im ALF when I tell him Ive been paying personal property tax since I started. Not for him is his reply. So in my eyes this so-called professional is now a tax-evading scrub.

[SuperiorProfits]

I will admit it I am a lurker but there is 1500 views on this topic! I don't post much but this is unreal how much energy is put into this scrub crap. This is the last thing on my mind when I am out trying to make a living. If I had the time to carry around a camera to take pictures of what other guys were doing to make a living then I would feel like a scrub myself! I am a lurker here but I log on to get real info about how to make my business more profitable. I don't want to see pictures of some guy helping his buddy out with some landscaping on the weekend. You don't even know if he is in the bizz. Get a life man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thelawnguy]

The day will come when some uninsured tax evading scrub will underbid and be awarded a gravy job you had your heart (and checkbook) set on getting so this topic should interest you on some level.

You may think, one job no big deal but it wont stop at one-never does.

[T.C.O.B.]

Hurray! For the 14 year old professional posting on this site. Take notes, he may have your accounts some day!

[KirbysLawn]

Thelawnguy said it best. In my opinion what makes someone a "scrub" for the most part cannot be photographed.

[Turf Kutter]

I wish I was in the pro catagory I will keep trying till I get there.:)

[Rodg]

Yeah, we have a guy in town who drives a truck just like that and a trailer to match-lets see, he has worked this business for about 25 years, owns everything in his possesion, and could buy half the town without blinking an eye! His lawns are always immaculate-some of the best in town and guess what? He runs ole' beat up JD WBs! Yep! looks can sometime be reeeal deceptive-don't judge a book by it's cover folks!

[cos]

That's right. Don't judge somebody cause they ride a small belt driven walkbehind with a sulkie. This man is just out making a living just like all of us. Just cause he carry's a digital camera and likes to take pictures of his competition and claim them to be scrubs, doesn't mean he is is a bad person. Just cause he likes to make claims to being the best grass cutter there ever was, doesn't make him a bad person. Just cause he tells people the best way to get back at others is to knock on there competition's door and low ball them and then raise the price the following year, doesn't make him out to be a non-professional. Just because he decided to make his own forum and failed at it and also liked to bash the same forum that he uses today (Lawnsite), doesn't make him a failure. And just because he is back and telling other people that they are scrubs when he doesn't know their business, doesn't make him a scrub either.

Oh sorry, who we're we talking about anyway.

[Turf Kutter]

Originally posted by cos
Just cause he carry's a digital camera and likes to take pictures of his competition and claim them to be scrubs, Oh his competition the only competition pics is of people without nice looking equipment.

[lawrence stone]

Good try roller goalie boy but I don't respond in kind to home schooled social misfits.

[LoneStarLawn]

umm I'm telling on ya'll....LOL sorry thought I was back in third grade (Just Kidding)

[BUSHMASTER]

Yea it's a bad subject and it rustlles some feathers but if you think your not one you probally arn't.down here in the south we have scrub barbeque joints they cook and serv out of thier back yard a make money no health code no nothing
i guess amy best definition of a scrub is someone who opperates illeagaly.,you everyone knows a shades tree mechanic that you've paid for services rendered.thiers a lot of really bad issues like the racial thing but until their is GOOD opionaited conversation about it , it'll never get better.....maybe we could send some "scrubs" to the jenny jones show for a professial make over LOL...OR could be a jerry show " scrubs cought on tape he he sooner or later their will be an article in a turf mag maybe not as open as we are here but denfintly one to make a point ...
for every customer that see's or comes across a scrub it really makes them think twice about hireing a solo opreator and they usally will go with a larger company because of bad experrice with one . and one more thing notice how many new folks or folks that havent posted in a while spoke up? uhmmmm

[Edited by BUSHMASTER on 10-28-2000 at 04:18 AM]

[Lawnworks]

Bushmaster
It is difficult to read your posts. How about some real sentences?

[Charles]

more profitable. I don't want to see pictures of some guy helping his buddy out with some landscaping on the weekend. You don't even know if he is in the bizz. Get a life man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<-----Superior
The answer to this is very simple for you mr lurker. DON'T CLICK ON THE POST YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE FOR THE ZILLIONTH TIME. dAAAYUUUMMM you think someone was at their computer twisting their arms to make them read post they don't like.

[BUSHMASTER]

opps it was late ....sorry

[Toroguy]

BUSHMASTER,
Turf magazine did a story on scrubs.

I like your ideas on the Jerry Springer and Jenny Jones shows.

[cos]

Let's face it. There is no sense in complaining about people who don't pay insurance and maybe even taxes. I never bother a man that has to go out and make a living everyday. We are not going to beat these people by posting here. Let them live there lives they way they want. If by chance that this so called scrub hits a window with a rock, or does damage out of his income level to repair, then that would be one less person without insurance in our market place. All of this person's clientele will then understand why hiring someone without insurance and asking for references, is very important and should be a way of life. I had instances where i needed to call my insurance company, and I am very thankfully I had it at the time. Let these non-professionals put themselves out of business. When I submit a bid, I ALWAYS stress in the bid that I have insurance and all the other extras and the reasons that I have them. That makes them understand and a little secure. If there are people out there lookin for deals for their lawn service, I really don't want to cut their grass anyway and I don't accept coupons.