Bid Due Soon

[paul]

We are bidding a streetscape and want to throw out some of the # that we have to bid on. I want to see what others would bid on these Items.

Unit Retaining wall 370 Face Ft.

33 3" Shade Trees
5 6' ornamentals
2 8'-10' evergreens
700 24"-4' shrubs
200 24"-30" evergreens
3000 1 gallon perennials
1000 bulbs
450 tons stone out croping
10 ton flagstone walk
175 cu yds mulch
150 cu yds planting mix
9725 sq ft pavers (pedestrain)
5740 sq ft pavers (vehicular)
1000 sq yds seeding


Let me know what you think of doing this work for.
It's a village streetscape project
public bid

[steveair]

Ahhhh,

wouldn't know where to start. I would be able to retire for the year if I got that job......

Need any help, sounds like fun.

steveair

[Lanelle]

Just a few questions for clarification, if you please.
What type of base do you have to install for the pavers and the flagstone? What is the square footage of the flagstone walk? Are the shrubs commonplace varieties or premium-priced lovelies? What type of prep will you have to do for the seeding? Does the site require much prep-work or demolition prior to installing?

[Stonehenge]

Boy, at first I whipped out my calculator to start crunching a few numbers, then I remembered the bid game Paul and I played awhile back on a simple mulching job. The quantities you're dealing with are so different from mine that even if I were to crunch numbers, they would likely be meaningless, because I don't know the kind of prices I can get when planting 3000 perennials, or 700 shrubs, and on and on. I'd would likely either grossly overestimate the price using some derivative of the formulas I use for my small residential stuff, or I'd overestimate the savings achieved by doing volume work and come up with a price that you'd lose your shirt at.

So, you're on your own for that one. But good luck! Sounds like a great project.

[FIREMAN]

That spec sheet looks like something I saw in my dreams the day I decided I wanted to be a landcaper...lol

[turfman99]

I would only take the time to plug that into my estimating spreadsheet if I was a viable bidder and could devote the time.

Your well over $ 125,000 and looks like a good job. Davis Bacon?

[paul]

Ok just to clarify some items, the flagstone walk was removed due to ADA problems. The unit wall will have 50' of geo-grid installed. Pavers (pedestrain) is over 6" of crushed gravel with a 1" sand bed, pavers (vehicular)will be with a 1" bed of sand on concrete slab. Paver type is El Campo II with a three band course of Uni-Granite as soldiers. Outcropping will be 3' to 7' long, 24" to 36" wide and 8" to 12" thick, place on 5 intersections. Plants are common varites but trees will be hard to find due to shortage of top quality 3" material. Davis-Bacon rules apply

[Edited by paul on 11-02-2000 at 01:14 AM]

[steveair]

Ok,

How's about 280k sound.........+/- 20k

Hate public bids. Remember working on one for the town and came in with a number around 90k. We were one of the highest, but someone came in silly-low with like 60k, and since the town is CHEAP, they took the bid. Sure enough, it was a wam-bam job and looked like hell.

Funny thing is, I ran into the guy that did the job a few months later and asked how he did it for that price. He responded with "We had a hole to fill in our schedule". Basically, they did the job for nothing but the fact of keeping payroll for the 3 days it took them to do it. Public bids scare the hell out of me.

steveair

[steveair]

One more idea,

Add it all up, figure out what it will cost you to do, then slap on the cost of a couple new brand new BMW's as your profit margin............

steveair

[Stonehenge]

Beemers, beemers. Everyone wants beemers. I had a ZR1 Vette doing 110 in 3rd gear (had 3 more to go).

Anyway, what's Davis-Bacon rules? See, I told you my bid would be meaningless.

[JML]

Beemer, no way.. 500 Series Big Body Benz..

[paul]

Hi, just to keep this thread up front :) Our bid package is now about 350K fine tuning it now will, post more later this week.

[paul]

Two more Items:
Job dead line is June 1st.
And traffic control must be in bid.
5 intercetions and and must maintaine 2 lanes of traffic at one.

[steveair]

hello,

was wondering what kind of price you do the pavers at. I figured around 8.50 sq/ft for the vehicular, and around 7.50 for the pedestrian, but figured that before you said something about the concrete slab/sand set up. Do you also have to pour the concrete or is that what is existing and your have to go off of it.

Also, was wondering what is meant by 'stone outcropping'. I've seen pics of your work and figured that was stone outcroppings in landscape beds (ornamental outcroppings for paths, planting around, etc.) Then you mentioned its more like a flagstone walk inset in the pavers, not sure about what is meant?

Also, I figured about a price of $27 yd for the planting mix, and think around 6 cents a sq./foot for seeding, but that does not include any prep work. Don't know what kind of prep is needed so just a shot.

Actually, now that you described it a little more and I understand a litter better, I get numbers closer to your 350k.

Also, figured the shrubs up to 4' around 40ea (75 installed ea) and the evergreens for around 65 ea installed, and the perenials purchased for 3 for $10, planned 3 guy crew could install all in under a week.

steveair

[Stonehenge]

Can someone help me out with what Davis-Bacon rules are?


Thx.

[paul]

Davis Bacon Act set the wages for your workers to meet the miniumn that the state sets.

Ok now on the concrete, we are not doing the concrete just bidding the pavers that will be set on it, this includes fabric and glue that needs do go down befor the pavers and sand.

Outcroping stone are slabs of stone set to make a wall and plantings. These are set into the bank.

Lanelle, They want weep hole in the underlayment concrete.

[Edited by paul on 11-09-2000 at 10:35 PM]

[Lanelle]

Since the pavers are going on concrete, what is the purpose of the fabric? The glue I presume is for the edge/soldier course. And Steveair, your seed price sounds low to me. What do the rest of you charge for seeding?

[paul]

Bids are now in and .......
We didn't get it low bid was 1.3 million
We bid it with four different GC's and thier bids ranged 1.45 to 1.55 million.
It seems paver pricing was the most variable, our price ended up at $9.50 per sq. ft. while low bidder are going to be doing it for $6.40. paver cost is around $3.40 per sq. ft.