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bobbygedd
02-21-2004, 10:04 AM
give me a price on a standard program. sunny exposure, irrigation, customer reports no history of fungus or any other problems. reccomend a program, and give me a price

Tscape
02-21-2004, 12:48 PM
6 Applications @$50ea. = $300 x.93 (7% prepay discount)
$279

NCL
02-21-2004, 07:56 PM
6 apps @ $58 = $348. $10 discount if prepay for the season.

1stclasslawns
02-21-2004, 09:41 PM
50.00 per application.

Jim

DUSTYCEDAR
02-21-2004, 10:10 PM
58 per app with 6 apps

precisioncut
02-21-2004, 11:39 PM
you all typically charge $50 per app? On any yard or just the 10k?

Tscape
02-21-2004, 11:41 PM
On 10K. That was the question:rolleyes:

philk17088
02-22-2004, 11:17 AM
5 apps at $70.00 per app.

bobbygedd
02-22-2004, 12:59 PM
wow, am i high. i'm very, very high. i am landing some work though. we reworked our formula for pricing this service, but i'm still alot higher than all of you. i did a quote the other day. this ladies property was 7k. i quoted her $462. she showed me what she had been paying. she was using a big commercial outfit for years. their program included a standard program, plus fungicide(as needed), aeration(as needed) overseeding(as needed). they charged her $780 per season. the key thing to this program was the "as needed". i asked her if they did in fact aerate, she said they did once in the last 3 years. i asked if they did in fact overseed, she said once, with the aeration. i asked her if they did in fact apply fungicides, she said never. so this company charged her $780 for the standard program, with the understanding that the "as needed" services were there as an insurence that if she needed it, it would be included at no extra fee. but, if she didn't need it, the fee stayed the same. alot balls if you ask me. they were outright ripping her off, in my opinion. my prices may be high, but they get everything they pay for. by the way, on a 10k property, our price is $660. prepay is required, at no discount. i may be too high. i am currently carrying about 20 fert customers, i need to get that number to about 30. i may be a bit high. thanx for bidding guys

DUSTYCEDAR
02-22-2004, 01:02 PM
bobby what r u doing for all that money
if u can get it great
bobby is da man

bobbygedd
02-22-2004, 01:18 PM
all granular applications. #1=demension with fert. #2=confront/or millenium with fert. #3=merit with fert. #4=fert. #5=fert. #6=lime(if needed). this totals two herbicides, one insecticide, 5 fertilzings, and one lime(if needed) . fungicides are extra, as are fall weed treatments if they have the need for fall weed treatments .

Tscape
02-22-2004, 02:57 PM
I guess there is more than one way to skin a cat. I mean we don't do anything that is not needed. Your Merit app, while I would do it on my lawn, I educate the client and let them decide. I have to admit, most clients opt to "self insure" their lawn for grubs as opposed to paying 4x the price of a regular weed & feed app for prevention of grubs. Then when I spot the little buggers I charge 2x reg app price for a Dylox or Mach2 treatment. But I sleep well at night, not that you shouldn't bobby.

TSM
02-23-2004, 11:13 AM
while i agree with dustycedar when he said 'if you can get it, great'
I would say that your price is pretty high (pricing will be determined by market area and since I'm not in NJ maybe I'm wrong)
HOWEVER, how long before your customer is marketed by another company who's prices are more in line?? Then you not only loose the customer...but they tell all their freinds and neighbors, co-workers, etc etc. that you are way over priced.

bobbygedd
02-23-2004, 12:14 PM
when you guys say "per app", please explain. example: weed n feed. it contains the herbicide, and the fertilizer, are you charging this as one app, or two.

philk17088
02-23-2004, 03:04 PM
Fert/dimension
24-8-8/trimec spray spring
lime mid summer/5lb rate, weed if needed
24-8-8 &weed if needed
10-20-20 late fall

Price per app is same

Tscape
02-23-2004, 03:31 PM
App1= dimension & fert
App2= Broadleaf weed killer & fert
App3=Broadleaf & fert
App4=fert+iron&spot spray
App5=fert+iron& spot spray
App6=Broadleaf &fert

$50 ea.

DUSTYCEDAR
02-23-2004, 05:32 PM
weed and feed =spray weeds and gran fert. all in 1 application at 1 price.

bobbygedd
02-23-2004, 06:39 PM
ah. ok. you see, i charge the "weed and feed" visit, as 2 applications. i also charge the merit w fert as 2 applications.

DUSTYCEDAR
02-23-2004, 07:20 PM
bobby u gona be rich in no time:cool:

Tscape
02-24-2004, 06:49 PM
That sounds nuts!

bobbygedd
02-24-2004, 07:04 PM
turfscape, i think it's great. tell you why: i COULD purchase the herbicide separately from the fert. but, i don't. the manufacturer mixes them together, and i buy them this way. why should i let the customer reap the benefits of this? i am, afterall, responsible for everything that comes out of that bag, the effects of the herbicide, and of the fertilizer. where did i learn this? years ago, i subbed out to a major chain fert company. i was getting bills that were itemized, "summer weed $30, service $12." so i called and i'm like, "what the hell is this breakdown?what is "service", and why is it $12?" they said that "summer weed", was the herbicide, and "service" was the fert. so, in escense, they were charging me once for the weed, and again for the feed. ingenious i thought

DUSTYCEDAR
02-24-2004, 07:09 PM
bobby u can use all the smoke and mirrors u want but if they shop it they may catch on to u and then what?

James Cormier
02-24-2004, 07:49 PM
Bobby those are good numbers but...you only got 20 customers, you cant feed a family on 20 customers, IF you want to play with the big boys you will need to adjust your prices alittle. YOu can still be more then them but you will wont grow too mcuch if your way more.

When I quit working for the big companies and started my own 10 years ago i was way high and I sold my service over the big companies, but I hit a ceiling of customers that would pay, since I dropped my prices streamlined my production & watched every penny I spent & did monthly budgets and sticked to them...I found out I started growing, and made more money doing that then being the most expensive guy on the block.

Every year I get some under cover customers to get estimates from my competition and I compare prices, i always seem to be right in the middle quietly making a good living.

BTW 10k
5 apps $84.00
1 merit $104.00
IPM program with blanket dimension and merit

bobbygedd
02-24-2004, 08:15 PM
THERE IS NO SMOKE AND MIRRORS, read above, where i told you how much a big commercial applicator was charging, he was double me, and plain outright ripping them off. and they are big, been around many years, and service thousands nationwide. i only need like 30 for this year, then maybe another 10 for next year. remember, we don't only sell ferts. james are you saying you visit thier property 5 times for $84?

James Cormier
02-24-2004, 08:28 PM
yep, merit is done with rd2 so a 5 app program is $524 per year. My avg. customer is 545 per year. Right now I have around 310 customers all I do is fert.
several years ago my avg. was $675 per year but I couldnt get past the 150 customers mark.
545x310=$168,950
675x150= $102,250

Katwalk
02-25-2004, 07:57 AM
$60 per app for 5 apps. Lime additional and merit additional. I only have 18 fert customers but they are also year round, good paying customers. Fert is obviously not our primary business but certainly a nice add on to grab an additional 15k from good customers. We have a backpack sprayer that we leave in the maintenance trailer so we can spot treat weeds if we see them when we are out mowing......the results of us doing everything have been well received and recognized.

gogetter
02-25-2004, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by James Cormier

545x310=$168,950
675x150= $102,250

I see 107% more work for 67% more income. Thought about adjusting/raising your prices to get those numbers a little closer to even? Or maybe swinging the other way?

Just an observation.

James Cormier
02-25-2004, 03:22 PM
I see your point however it really less work cause my program that was avg at $675 per year had more treatments including aerations, scheduled service visits between Rds. I relized there are more people looking for basic lawn care, not the premium service level.
Since I been using the perma green my hours worked are less with the 300 customers then when I was doing the 150 the old way.
Im a lot fatter though

DUSTYCEDAR
02-25-2004, 03:25 PM
the pg unit will do that to ya LOL
oreo's dont help either

TSM
02-25-2004, 04:53 PM
umm....oreos
:)

Tscape
02-25-2004, 05:52 PM
turfscape, i think it's great. tell you why: i COULD purchase the herbicide separately from the fert. but, i don't. the manufacturer mixes them together, and i buy them this way. why should i let the customer reap the benefits of this? i am, afterall, responsible for everything that comes out of that bag, the effects of the herbicide, and of the fertilizer. where did i learn this? years ago, i subbed out to a major chain fert company. i was getting bills that were itemized, "summer weed $30, service $12." so i called and i'm like, "what the hell is this breakdown?what is "service", and why is it $12?" they said that "summer weed", was the herbicide, and "service" was the fert. so, in escense, they were charging me once for the weed, and again for the feed. ingenious i thought

I don't even know what to say to that. Good luck with it though.

philk17088
02-25-2004, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Katwalk
$60 per app for 5 apps. Lime additional and merit additional. I only have 18 fert customers but they are also year round, good paying customers. Fert is obviously not our primary business but certainly a nice add on to grab an additional 15k from good customers. We have a backpack sprayer that we leave in the maintenance trailer so we can spot treat weeds if we see them when we are out mowing......the results of us doing everything have been well received and recognized.

How do you get $15,000 out of 18 customers buying 5 apps@$60 each? That's only $5400.00:confused:

philk17088
02-25-2004, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by DUSTYCEDAR
bobby u can use all the smoke and mirrors u want but if they shop it they may catch on to u and then what?

I think the thing to focus on is that the customer is buying a service, not just fertilizer and weed control. It shouldn't matter to them how its broken out or how you apply it. If your going to worry about people counting the trips made over their lawn, you should look for better customers.

Sli1der
02-26-2004, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by DUSTYCEDAR
weed and feed =spray weeds and gran fert. all in 1 application at 1 price. :) DUSTYCEDAR: Can you help me out with how you mix your granular into tank to spray? Would like to try it for one application this year. Have several in my area that do it that way. Have always applied granular and then sprayed.

sgallaher
02-27-2004, 09:22 AM
App #1 Pre-em & fert $80
App # 2 Weed & feed $80
App # 3 Fert $40
App # 4 Weed & feed $80
App # 5 Winterizer $40

Also limestone if needed (usually does) $32

Total for season = $352/yr for 10K lawn

greenngrow
02-27-2004, 09:31 AM
Man I need to move to another state. Here in the poor state of KY
you no find anyone paying that much for lawn treatments.
$35.00 per app. with 5 apps.


I have a minimum of $35.00. Man there is a BIG difference.

DUSTYCEDAR
02-27-2004, 09:33 AM
how do u amke any money?
the product aint cheep
i have a $30 stop charge just to get out of the truck spray and fert is an extra
and i think i am going to use bobbys math this year and retire in less that 5 LOL

greenngrow
02-27-2004, 09:59 AM
You have to shop around.
I know that I have to raise my prices. I have a lot of competion moving into the area. I thought about putting a stop fee but man I just don't think that go over to well.
To many on this site have a certain company they go to all the time. You have to shop around and you find the deals.

DUSTYCEDAR
02-27-2004, 01:48 PM
i do shop around to get the best price
i early order and buy pallets at a time or more to save but overhead is always going up
if u can make it good 4 u if i dont make a certain amount why bother

James Cormier
02-27-2004, 03:11 PM
I would think different areas of the country would be priced differently, It would depend on cost of living for certain areas, right?

For example I just bought my 2nd house in central Mass, 4 bedroom split on 1acre, with inground pool, cost was 300k In my town there is nothing under 200k and thats a small ranch or cape.

A friend just moved somewhere in GA and he bought a huge house for 280k almost brand new, very, very nice. So I would think servcies would be cheaper where house prices are, Right?

I think thats a big reason why lawn care is more in certain areas.

Katwalk
02-27-2004, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by philk17088
How do you get $15,000 out of 18 customers buying 5 apps@$60 each? That's only $5400.00:confused: Philk......if every one of my properties were dead on 10k I will guarantee that my company would become efficient as hell!!!!! Original question was "price on 10k"......$60 per app. Larger area equal larger $$$. Add that to Merit apps as needed, added to lime apps billed seperately and you are well on your way to the $15k that I mentioned.:cool:

Mike@Haines
03-07-2004, 11:35 PM
$72 per app, 8 apps at 5-6 weeks apart (I'm a west coast market, no dormant season). Includes 2 moss control, at least 2 weed control and one cranefly control.