View Full Version : Does this sound like a good program?

02-26-2004, 09:35 PM
Early spring 19-0-6Dimension
Late spring same thing again
Early Fall18-24-12 for overseeding
Late Fall 34-3-11a/m(quick release)
and spot spraying broadleaf weeds all season with Momentum

j fisher
02-26-2004, 09:46 PM
What type of grass?

02-26-2004, 09:50 PM
I'm in Missouri and do yards with mostly fescue and some bluegrass.

02-26-2004, 10:20 PM
Why double up on Dimension?

02-26-2004, 10:25 PM
This is the program that my local Lesco suggested.

02-27-2004, 12:22 AM
One app of Pre hasn't worked here in the Northeast for 2 years in a row now. URI weed scientists have found that instead of one big push during the first 2-3 weeks of May, we're now seeing regular slow steady Crabgrass germination from mid-May through August. No single app of any Pre is going to last that long.

2 Pres are a lot cheaper than chasing service calls.

Perhaps that's what's happening in MI.

02-27-2004, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by Turfscape LLC
Why double up on Dimension?

Perhaps they meant do a split application. They do recommend doing that.

02-28-2004, 01:09 AM
Or, space the PreM's two aps appart. Doing them consecutively, basically, is a waste. If they are labeled to last 8 to 12 weeks (12 being unrealistic - only in complete non-precipitation conditions), then a regular ap should be done in between. This would extend the barrier out longer, rather than just have them overlap.

02-28-2004, 10:32 AM
I might be missing something here. If you make your fist app on April 1st with any Pre, the barrier will last from 6-10 weeks. Most of the LCO's I know make apps every 8 weeks. So if they wait until Round 3 to do the second Pre (about 16 weeks after April first *if* they saty on schedule), there's going to be lot of Crabgrass to deal with.

R1) Apr 1....1st Pre
R2) Jun 1....2nd Pre
R3) Aug 1...Grub season & too late for more Pre.
etc, etc.

Nothing has done more harm to good crabgrass control than Merit. LOL.

02-28-2004, 12:31 PM
Dimension lasts much longer at the higher rate and gives control in to and through August (as long as the weedwackers and mowers, and dogs and....don't break the barrier). In Michigan that is sufficient. I can see how you might need more down South.

02-28-2004, 12:39 PM
I would question the inclusion of Mach 2. Highly ineffective against european chafer, which is the major grub around here now. I would look more towards Imidacloprid based grub control.

02-29-2004, 12:26 PM
What are the rate of applications?

Not enough k for the amount of n

02-29-2004, 04:33 PM
Not enough k for the amount of n

I missed that. You are right.

02-29-2004, 07:14 PM
thats a lot of N............you using 50% slow release I hope, otherwise you gonna be cutting a lot of grass. Why so much N in the middle of summer. I would be using more Iron and K

03-02-2004, 08:20 PM
" thats alot of N ", but is it? We don't know the application rate!!!!!!

03-02-2004, 10:22 PM
I got away from lesco, cant taylor your fertilizer apps like I can with this company. It'd be better if I could get people to have soil samples done but they don't seem interested.

Here's my 5 step program:

RD 1: 13-2-10 w/25% scu, .38 Barricade.
RD 2: 8-4-24 40% nutralene
Rd 3: 15-3-5 25% scu, 1.0 Mach 2. If they dont want grub control I substitute it with Milorganite.
RD 4: 25-10-10 w/40% scu, 4% Iron, if they overseed I use 13-25-12 w/30% scu.
RD 5: 30-5-10 w/30% scu.