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mole
03-03-2004, 01:14 PM
A flyer stuffed in my mail box offering lawn service for 13.00 a cut. Now this guy sees my truck parked in my driveway with my magnet on the sides. Now I have to ans all the calls in my neighborhood about this. I won't go out of my house for lees than 30.00 a cut. I hate this crap how can he make money. He says he's ins. I hate these fly by nights. :angry:

Let it Grow
03-03-2004, 01:31 PM
He's probably insured for like $100. Just because he says he's insured doesn't mean he has $300,000 of liability insurance!

These guys just make me sick.
He'll probably be out of business by mid summer, but some of those guys seem to stay in business a while. I wish there was some way to make the general public more aware of these guys and that they are not legal businesses.

Scraper
03-03-2004, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by Let it Grow
Just because he says he's insured doesn't mean he has $300,000 of liability insurance!



You should have more than that...that won't even cover an eye these days.

mag360
03-03-2004, 02:06 PM
It is relatively cheap to upgrade from 3 or 500,000 to 1million---everyone should do at least that.

twins_lawn_care
03-03-2004, 02:11 PM
very true,
with the minimum coverage rates with my insurance carrier, the fee for $300,000 is the same as $500,000, and $1,000,000 is only $38 more! Seems like a no brainer to me, but I feel your pain!
I'd call him up and ask him to come out and do some estimates on your house. Not that you'd actually use him, but can get an idea for about how long he'll be around by the info he gives you!

NickN
03-03-2004, 02:11 PM
Depends on his aggregate.He may have 300,000/600,000 agg.,which means that they would cover a one time catastrophic event at 600,000 or 300,000 for each claim.
Probably get dropped with a 300,000 claim though,but that's the least of your worries if that happens.

Green Finger
03-03-2004, 02:12 PM
My advice to you.

Focus on what you do best. Either he'll fiz out or he'll fiz out. Guys like this come a dime a doozen. Just do your thing.

Good customers know the real companies from the shady ones.

Craftybigdog
03-03-2004, 02:23 PM
I know how you feel. I take care of the common area in my development. It takes me about 4hrs and thats with a 72in Dixie and quite a bit of weedeating, especially around the pond. I charge them 250.00 well this year a guy in my neighborhood bought a hustler 60in and he put a bid in at 150.00 and he said if he gets it he will then get insurance. To top it off another company bid it at 135.00 a cut I couldnt believe it. So I pretty much said what ever happens happens Im not gonna sweat it!

walker-talker
03-03-2004, 03:29 PM
For $13 I would consider sub-contracting this guy out. I might even look for new business outside your route and do this.

CNYScapes
03-03-2004, 03:52 PM
thats a new low, the lowest flyers ive seen around here is $15 and thats crazy! Maybe it doesnt include trimming? LOL Maybe we should start charging separate for trimming, thats probably how these scrubs are doing it so cheap! Whats next $12 ?

SIRCAESAR
03-03-2004, 04:26 PM
Hey Mole, don't even sweat it, $13.00 he won't make it thru the season on that price..even if the guy did 20 yards a day with a 72" z which is highly unlikely that he has one charging $13.00 a yard that comes to only $260.00 a day, chances are its some kid with a 21" walkbehind, by the time he gets to about the 5th yard if that, he will have worn himself out..!!

cush
03-03-2004, 05:56 PM
New word scrub-contractor. I think not paying taxes is more likely than not paying insurance. My 1,000,000 policy is about $500 a year, I spend that much for gas in a month.

Flipperneck
03-03-2004, 06:00 PM
Around here if I bid under 30 on a 1/4 acre i think most people wouldn't take it unless I told them I had no accounts and was starting out. Most people know you get what you pay for

gogetter
03-03-2004, 07:00 PM
When I pass out flyers, if I see a lawn truck or trailer in the driveway, I skip it.

Call up the postmaster and let him know this guys sticking them in mailboxes. At the very least he'll get a warning call, hopefully more.

robertyb
03-03-2004, 07:05 PM
Send him to my house to cut my 3+ acres, I will gladly pay him $13.00 a cut, heck I will do the trimming for that price :)

MOturkey
03-03-2004, 08:27 PM
I hope that guy isn't operating in my area! I've already had a couple of near coronarys from ladies when I told them what I would have to charge for their lawn. I am trying to pick up some business from a brother and sister in college, who have been mowing for something like 9 years, and decided to give it up this year. The only time they raised prices was last year, when they tacked on a DOLLAR to cover the additional cost of gasoline. They were mowing many of their accounts for $16!! I decided to go with a $25 mininum. Told the lady I talked to on the phone yesterday that I would be dependable, and do a good job, but I have to get $25. Said she would call me back if she can't find anyone cheaper, as she just can't afford that much. Looks like they would realize they have been getting a bargain for all these years.

Speaking of insurance, getting mine written up tomorrow. One million in liability, and $12,000 on equipment is going to cost me $450.

Mdirrigation
03-03-2004, 08:58 PM
The fact of the matter is these guys will stay in business for a while . What they accomplish is to lower the benchmark for pricing . If a guy is making 10 dollars per hour , or $ 400. 00 per week and starts cutting grass and is making $ 200.00 per day , that guy thinks he is in fat city. But in a year or two when he figures out he needs to make more money its hard because a new group of guys just like him are starting up just as he did.
I had a $ 25.00 minimum in 1984 , as did most of the 20 contractors in the area. Today in 2004 the minimum charge for most contractors is less than $ 25.00 and there are more than 200 contractors out there.