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o-so-n-so
03-20-2004, 12:28 AM
A LCO came to my fathers house today passing out brochures.

He told my father that he would mow and trim any yard in the city for a flat rate of $10.00 a yard.

How long will it take this guy to rethink his business adventure.

Now you see them....now you don't.

LMAO........

Davis Lawn Mowing, LLC.
03-20-2004, 12:53 AM
About 2 weeks of busting his ass for no money. Then his work will turn south and you can come in an take his accounts. I would turn him in, probably has no liscence or insurance.

sildoc
03-20-2004, 01:13 AM
Yep. Already talked to a couple of guys that said I can't mow lawns no more. NO money in it. HA....... Thats cause they had an add in the nickle (penny saver) that said " ANY lawn 12 dollars, 5 bucks for trimming."
Bought there near new stihl FC 85 off of them for 150.
And that is all I have to say about that.

competitiveimageland
03-20-2004, 01:16 AM
$10.00 a lawn this guy must be desperate HAHA ya have to set a minimum for your acounts i wouldnt do any under $30 ,its hard enough to make money in this business , especially when you have these kinda guys under bidding you , i had the same thing happen to me in the past year with a commercial account they signed a 3 year contract with the guy , the first year it was $60 weekly just so he would under bid me by $15 then the next year he jacked the prices up by $30 bucks , Who do you think they called the following spring ;o)

Flipperneck
03-20-2004, 01:20 AM
some people arent that swift, if the customer dumps one guy to a lower bid what kinda loyalty you think they will have when prices go up like what the dude with a really long name before me said.

vipermanz
03-20-2004, 03:37 AM
the bad thing is that is probably not the cheapest here in AL..

Mikes Lawn Landscape
03-20-2004, 06:02 AM
Originally posted by o-so-n-so
A LCO came to my fathers house today passing out brochures.

He told my father that he would mow and trim any yard in the city for a flat rate of $10.00 a yard.
LMAO........

Hey leave me alone I gotta make a living somehow:confused:

goodbeus
03-20-2004, 06:53 AM
I saw an ad here in the Coastal Trading Post a few weeks ago....$8.00 per yard:mad:

hortboy
03-20-2004, 09:06 AM
lets put it in perspective, he has no insurance and pays no taxes, so assuming he could mow 10 postage stamp size lawns a day that's $500.00 free and clear. I'll bet that is more than he made at the local convienent store. I totally disagree w/ this type of fly by night operation but I refuse to loose sleep over it.

fga
03-20-2004, 11:17 AM
I have 3 lawns lined up that I charge 10 dollars a cut, weekly. Leaving the truck running, I can cut all 3 complete, back in the truck, in about 2 minutes. 30 dollars for 2 minutes worth of work, minus employee payroll (32 cents), = profit of 29.68 for 2 minutes worth of work.
2 minutes = 29.68 /2 = $14.81 a minute x 60 minutes = $888.60.
$888.60 an hour minus drive time and payroll for one guy ($10).
If I can get all $10 houses like the ones I have, I'd be a happy guy! Send them all my way!

competitiveimageland
03-20-2004, 11:18 AM
$8.00 a lawn im not that desperite , but then again like the other guy said its better than his last job at burger king . fly by night
i was thinking the same thing

competitiveimageland
03-20-2004, 11:19 AM
where the heck are you guys at that you have lawns for $10.00 a cut , Harlem?

fga
03-20-2004, 11:32 AM
I'm not desperate, if you do the math, you'll see for your self. The property has to fit in that range of pricing.
I make more money on my $10 dollar houses for a cpouple of reasons.
1) They have extra $$ to do all the extras, planting, fertilizing,etc.
2) I'm not there long enough for them to come out and start talking, slowing me up.
3) Its motivating when you can knock off 25 houses on your list in an hour!
I'm not saying cut an 80 dollar for 10, but small front properties on condo's and curb lawns can be very profitable.

googleplex
03-20-2004, 11:46 AM
Send him ALL your PITA customers and price shoppers. It'll help him rethink his pricing structure!!!

Vladslawn
03-20-2004, 11:47 AM
How long you ask? Right after the first cut of the oldest city cemetry lot with 1500 head stones. I wouldn't even recommend to you, to hire him!
A phrase comes to mind " Say what you mean and mean what you say" At times dificult to do.

lol Vlad

competitiveimageland
03-20-2004, 12:15 PM
not picking a fight fga i guess we come from different areas you in the city me in devolped farmland most of my properies are an acre or more

fga
03-20-2004, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by competitiveimageland
not picking a fight fga i guess we come from different areas you in the city me in devolped farmland most of my properies are an acre or more
:D Farmland here is my grandfather's 10' x 10' garden!

competitiveimageland
03-20-2004, 12:40 PM
hehe im sure with being in SI you have more business with landscape construction and shaping of shrubs

Runner
03-20-2004, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by hortboy
lets put it in perspective, he has no insurance and pays no taxes, so assuming he could mow 10 postage stamp size lawns a day that's $500.00 free and clear. I'll bet that is more than he made at the local convienent store.

HUH????;) Exactly what part of this country, does 10 lawns at 10 buck apiece = 500 bucks? 10 x 10 = 500 :eek:

competitiveimageland
03-20-2004, 01:02 PM
haha i was wondering about that math myself

noiseyvoyzey
03-20-2004, 01:09 PM
i think he means 10 x 10 = 100 x 5 days = 500

competitiveimageland
03-20-2004, 01:14 PM
10x10=500?
10x10xd=

Fareway Lawncare
03-20-2004, 01:48 PM
Hello, I have a series of subdivision lawns that are cut for $12. All the lawns are side by each & or in very close proximity. One man crew can average 8-15 lawns per hr.

fga
03-20-2004, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Fareway Lawncare
Hello, I have a series of subdivision lawns that are cut for $12. All the lawns are side by each & or in very close proximity. One man crew can average 8-15 lawns per hr. Ditto! excellent money.

dhess
03-20-2004, 02:25 PM
I know we have a min of around $20-25 on any work period.

Why? Well Murphy's law is a good example, anything that can go wrong will go wrong.

What happens when you goto that $10 yard and your crew hits the tv cable by accident, or your guys run over a hose one time, or how about breaking a window with a rock from trimmer or edger, hitting a gate door or damaging a fence, not to mention damaging a mower blade or the equipment, cutting phone line,..ect.

We might touch a group of yards if they were all side by side (such as condos that are maintained frequently), but I think anyone thats just expecting a $10 yard cutting is probably not going to have a yard worth risking running your $5k+ equipment through IMO and probably better left for the neighborhood kid to tool around with.

dhess

jajwrigh
03-20-2004, 02:31 PM
Those "$10" guys never have insurance, pay taxes, or make any money!!!

fga
03-20-2004, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by jajwrigh
Those "$10" guys never have insurance, pay taxes, or make any money!!! I have all the above^. Anything can happen on any size account. If you can make 300 an hour, its not that big of a deal to replace a cable or blade.

justmjc
03-20-2004, 02:46 PM
Wow, I wouldn't get out of bed for $10. I suppose it's about how much you would like to work and how much you would like to earn.

Fareway Lawncare
03-20-2004, 03:22 PM
Most of you seem to be under the misconception that if you are charging $10 per lawn you are making $10 per hr.

W/ these type of lots you need to blanket advertise w/lowball prices to ensure volume cuts w/no windshield time. If your advertising & cutting procedures are effective you can easily clear over $100 per hr. cutting $10-$18 lots.

Please remember, these are concentrated urban areas & not the rural estates with which you may be familiar.

competitiveimageland
03-20-2004, 05:45 PM
i think hes trying to say is if you are working with 6 different customers at $10 a lawn vs. my one at $60 their is more of a risk of something going wrong

bastalker
03-20-2004, 05:50 PM
you go guys!!!!!!!

Woo hoooooooo 10-15 yards an hour........

Glad I live up here!!

justmjc
03-20-2004, 09:30 PM
Yes, I can see your point about making money if you can make it on volume. But the only thing this guy is getting out of this, is an advantage to land the accounts through cheaply priced advertised rates. In the past, a fellow employee and I have, on many times, sailed through 14 accounts in about 2.5 hours with rates of $20-$30 each. All postcard lots as well. They may make some money, but they're giving up a little more in profit on each lawn and subing that for a little profit on many lawns. If they can profit on it by volume, it's a great advertising advantage. It's the same method the big 3 are using to make money on cars.

But, on the flip side. Look at toyota. They don't discount their cars much to move on volume. They have quality products at good prices. There is always a demand for good quality services.

spoolinaround
03-20-2004, 09:39 PM
I do approx 58 lawns for $12+ tax all are within 1 trailer park, unload once and mow all day me and 2 guys can knock them all out in 8½ hours,

$500 net profit isint bad for a days work

qualitylandscaping
03-20-2004, 10:05 PM
I mow 24 townhomes.. $12 each + tax.. In and out in alittle under 1 1/2 hours..

Lets do the math:

24x12= $288 + tax
288/ 1.5 = $192 per hour
288/90= $3.20 per minute


Not bad at all if you ask me!:)

Also mow several "neighborhood associations" with 7-10 houses each.. $18 average cut price (less than 5k each).. Usually do all 7-10 in less than an hour and make a KILLING!!!

precisioncut
03-21-2004, 12:27 AM
The min. here is $15 and I do many for that price

competitiveimageland
03-21-2004, 12:28 AM
man this tthread is just not going to disapear is it

driggy
03-21-2004, 01:13 AM
I'd say grab that guy and subcontract him, have him do all your pain in the a.. accounts while you devote your time to your worthwhile accounts.

Soupy
03-21-2004, 01:50 AM
What about the office time you guys have to spend on those $10 yards? I would rather bill one $30 customer compared to three $10 customer.

hole in one lco
03-21-2004, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by Soupy
What about the office time you guys have to spend on those $10 yards? I would rather bill one $30 customer compared to three $10 customer.

The time spent that the customer never sees but always bit$h about. stamps, paper, address labels, printer ink, time stuffing envelops, and drive to the post office. Is this all free or am i the only one paying for it.

fga
03-21-2004, 12:12 PM
hole in one lco,
It takes me in my case, literally 2 minutes, to cut and drive away from my 3 $10 houses. How long are you at a $30 dollar house? I pretty efficient at my paperwork, 2 minutes at the houses a week x 4 = 8 minutes a month, and monthly paperwork, for those 3 accounts..... 5 minutes. 13 minutes worth of work for $120, then minus 1 hour payroll for 1 guy ($10), even with gas and taxes, I'm very happy!

aries
03-21-2004, 02:03 PM
I guess if thats the type of properties you guy's have around their that's fine is that the average all the lco's charge in that area. it works the same way just that you guy's do quantity mine are between 35-- 45 each !!! average about 12 to 15 a day

DennisF
03-21-2004, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Runner
HUH????;) Exactly what part of this country, does 10 lawns at 10 buck apiece = 500 bucks? 10 x 10 = 500 :eek:


I think he means 10 lawns per day at $10 each = $100 per day X 5 days per week =$500.

It's still rediculous to cut grass at $10 a pop. A legitimate business can not operate at those rates.

spoolinaround
03-21-2004, 03:50 PM
yes some can

I never said I was billing every single one, I bill the main office and they just tack it on to that lots monthly rent, it is nice getting a $3k check each month by sending one bill

o-so-n-so
03-21-2004, 03:56 PM
I personally don't think there is a 10.00 yard period. If you have multiple lawns at one location, thats different than what I'm saying.

This guy is handing out flyer's to homeowners at random.

I mow my fathers lawn is the reason I know. When my father told him that his son (me) mowed his lawn, the guy said to give the brochure to someone in the city limits. ANY, ANY lawn in the city he would mow and trim for 10 scoops.

The first thing I ask my father when he told me was, Did you hire him? answer No. Why not?

Why would you mow a lawn for $10 when its worth $30-$40 to mow?


You can put the math to it and make it sound good but in the real world its not a sound business plan.

I have a minimum to just drop the gate. When the time comes and I can't make that minimum price...I'm out on my own choice not because I'm flat broke.

I will never down any one for trying. If the guy can make it at those prices...good.

It reminded me of some post here on this site. How can I get x number of accounts by next week? The answer. Work for FREE.

Not to change the subject but,

A friend of mine that operates a LCO biz lost one of his helpers this year. Yep, the helper went on his own, bought all new equipment, hired his brother to help him and started beating the bushes. The helper (Scot) came to me and ask for advice in which i gladly offered up. You know, the do's and don'ts of the biz. Next thing I hear is that Scot is out going to his X-bosses accounts and cutting the price by $5-$10 bucks each just to get the account. How stupid is that? He now has about 30 accounts in which will take up most of his time per week and is making very little money. He done exactly what I told him not to do. I saw Scots father bushhogging yesterday a 20 acer field with a 4' cutter for $20.00 an hr. The reason I know is that Scot told me that he could get the account for that price. My friends...........that is out of my league...............back out.






disappear.....no.

club54
03-21-2004, 11:29 PM
I MY SELF WOULD NOT UNLOAD FOR LESS THEN 35 BUCKS

lawnman_scott
03-21-2004, 11:52 PM
[QUOTE][

Not to change the subject but,

A friend of mine that operates a LCO biz lost one of his helpers this year. Yep, the helper went on his own, bought all new equipment, hired his brother to help him and started beating the bushes. The helper (Scot) came to me and ask for advice in which i gladly offered up. You know, the do's and don'ts of the biz. Next thing I hear is that Scot is out going to his X-bosses accounts and cutting the price by $5-$10 bucks each just to get the account. How stupid is that? He now has about 30 accounts in which will take up most of his time per week and is making very little money. He done exactly what I told him not to do. I saw Scots father bushhogging yesterday a 20 acer field with a 4' cutter for $20.00 an hr. The reason I know is that Scot told me that he could get the account for that price. My friends...........that is out of my league...............back out.




So your saying they do about 6 a day with the 2 of them. Each must take about an hour. That would be about $120 a cut at $60 per man hour, which is what everyone makes so im sure your friend was charging about that. So he is only charging about $110 a cut then. Seems like he would still be making money.

Fareway Lawncare
03-21-2004, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by club54
I MY SELF WOULD NOT UNLOAD FOR LESS THEN 35 BUCKS

I guess if you had 4-$10 lawns side by each you would unload then

qualitylandscaping
03-22-2004, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Fareway Lawncare
I guess if you had 4-$10 lawns side by each you would unload then


Yup, same thing I was going to say.. You guys are missing the point. We do not unload, mow ONE $10 lawn, load up and go.. We unload once, mow 5-10 $10 lawns, load up and go.. So we are dropping the gate once for $50-100+... BIG DIFFERENCE!

I would never mow a one lawn for $10..

CamLand
03-22-2004, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by Fareway Lawncare
I guess if you had 4-$10 lawns side by each you would unload then


Nicely put..payup

justmjc
03-22-2004, 07:30 AM
Have any of you guys attempted to hire them to service 1 or 2 of your properties on a trial bases? If they actually do decent work, then hire them for all your accounts and pocket the difference.

workaholic
03-23-2004, 09:35 PM
If i came home to find a lawn ad on my door stating any lawn cut for 10.00. I would first call the name on the ad and ask ARE YOU INSURED? DO YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES? DO YOU CHARGE SALES TAX? if the person on the other end of the phone answered NO TO THE FIRST AND LAST QUESTION AND YES TO THE SECOND QUESTION. HIS AD WOULD BE SENT TO THE I.R.S. FIRST CLASS. Most commerical or high end residental customers would just throw the ad in the garbage and if they dont they deserve the service that there paying for.