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PetalsandPines
03-30-2004, 10:57 PM
Ok guys I need your input fast because I need to make decision by weekend. Should I buy a very well kept 2000 Ford F-450 Dump Truck 7.3 PS Diesel Dually 4x4 with 30,000 Miles (XLT!!!) for $30,000 (never had a plow)
A new 2004 F-350 XLDually 6.0 Diesel 4x4 Dump for $38,000
Or A 2004 F-350 V10 Dually Dump 4x4 XL for $32000

I don't like the low ground clearance on the Chevy's as I will be plowing lots and would like to put a Salter in the back...I am also scared of the low GVW of the 350's & 3500's ....The 2000 f-450 is a beauty but I don't know if I should pay $30,000 for a truck that is essentially out of warranty but has low miles and looks like it was dumped only a few times!.

Dodge is absolutely out of the questions, also are the TopKicks/Kodiaks because of the lack of 4x4

I know there is a big difference in applications but I would rather be within DOT specs than pushing the limits all the time.

Professional input would be greatly appreciated!

JB1
03-30-2004, 11:04 PM
I sure wouldn't get the v10 whatever you do get the diesel.

Currier
03-30-2004, 11:28 PM
Whatever you do make sure the engine is checked out by a qualified mechanic. You do not want to lay out that kind of $$ just to find out that the engine has issues. (2000 model)

I just had a new 7.3 installed...$10,000.00...

terracare
03-30-2004, 11:34 PM
I disagree with jblawn, go with the V10 if you are going to buy new because there are alot problems with the new 6.0L diesel. Otherwise go with the F-450 because it has the 7.3L diesel which is a great engine and you should be able to everything you need to with that truck!

PS the topkicks/ kodiaks will be getting 4x4 in about a year

Ed

JB1
03-30-2004, 11:40 PM
Only reason I said go with a diesel is I got a v10 and can't pull a thing with it cause it always hooked to a trailer with fuel tanks, cause it takes that much to keep it supplied with gas.

Randy Scott
03-30-2004, 11:57 PM
The 2000 has a 100,000 mile warranty on the motor. Like all their diesels. So you're covered there.

We just got a new 6.0 with the 5 speed auto. It is awesome. The tow/haul feature so far is great. I thought our 2000 7.3 was quick and powerful, it's nothing when compared to the new truck. The motor and tranny combo is tits.

The V10's, well, it's just stupid to spend that kind of money on fuel, even more so with the insane prices going up. I believe the V10's are an upgrade of about half the upgrade cost of a diesel, so at that point you're not too far off from having a great motor. I'd have to double check that fact though. I have heard the new 6.0's have had problems, but not all of them no major re-calls I'm aware of. They've been able to fix any issues that have come up.

After now having the new motor/trans combo the Ford has, it would definitely be worth the risk to get one. I know you would be happy with it. Our truck had some trans problem the first 500 miles. You would put it in drive and it took a couple seconds to engage, yeah, frustrating. I took it back to the dealer at about 100 miles and they re-programmed the computer, or entered a different code, whatever they had to do, and at about 500 miles it was fine. They say the computer is learning the first 500 miles or so. Beats me, but it's fine and shifts smooth, yet aggressive.

You'll be glad you got the new set-up. Go with it!

Gravel Rat
03-31-2004, 01:58 AM
I would go with the F-450 4x4 a F-350 is too light for todays standards you run out of legal payload pretty quick. The F-450 should easely handle 5-6000lbs a F-350 4x4 max payload is 4000lbs.

As for the 7.3 PSD I wouldn't be scared of it you shouldn't have any problems. The V-10 is a fuel pig I know guys that are only getting 6-10mpg a F-550 4x4 I know is getting 6mpg regulary and 8mpg on a good day.

ADLAWNCUTTERS
03-31-2004, 02:40 AM
go with the 2004 diesel all the bugs are worked out of the new engine, the 7.3 diesel is a great engine, i know you plow also and it nice to have the warranty on everything not just the engine.Don't even think of the v10 with gas has high as it is. at least diesel is 10 cents cheaper.what dealer are you going to. service is just as important .good luck

PetalsandPines
03-31-2004, 04:02 AM
West herr has the 350 04 Diesel
The 2000 Diesel 450 is out of the Albany Area.

selnoil
03-31-2004, 08:50 AM
The diesel is the way to go!!! If you are worried about the cost, go to your bank or credit union and they will have the book with all the vehicle values.

My Dad just came from the local GMC dealer and the 4500 and 5500 4 x 4 will be out for this winter, but who wants to be the ginnypig.

rob1325
03-31-2004, 11:19 PM
If you are gonna get a new 450 spend the extra money (like 350) and get a 550. Only difference between the two is the rear end. I also, hear GM is coming with 4x4 which should be sweet. Lastly, also hear Dodge will be coming out with new cab chassis for 05 which also should be sweet.

Gravel Rat
03-31-2004, 11:55 PM
The problem with the Dodge is it will be a untested chassis because Dodge never could build a chassis cab truck if they are going to use the hydroformed frame talk about guinea pig.

I would stick with Ford and Chev both have many many years of experience building cab and chassis trucks that see many miles and carry alot of tons of freight.

If you do want to shell out the bucks a F-550 is a nice truck I worked with a F-550 2wd we were putting up to 10,000lbs on the deck.

The F-450s are good too a good step up if you only need a slightly larger truck than a F-350. I found the F-550 is like driving a truck something that you wouldn't want to try use for a daily driver.

PetalsandPines
04-01-2004, 12:05 AM
Ok, my other choice would be the Chevy Silverado 3500 Dump Dually with the 8.1 Engine and Allison Tranny.... I really like this one, but I am concerned with clearance for plowing....anyone have one of these?? I would put a "Boss V" plow on it.

Gravel Rat
04-01-2004, 12:30 AM
Do you own a oil refinery or shares in a gas station payup

The 8.1 Chev is a real thirsty engine its not worth owning big block gas engines the fuel they burn eats up the profits of the truck.

I think with Chev is can the front suspension handle the weight of the plow. I don't think ground clearance would be a problem your supposed to plow the snow not drive through it.

The one thing about Chevs is they ride nicer than a Ford if your putting on alot of highway miles a smoother ride is probably prefered.

PetalsandPines
04-01-2004, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by Gravel Rat
Do you own a oil refinery or shares in a gas station payup

The 8.1 Chev is a real thirsty engine its not worth owning big block gas engines the fuel they burn eats up the profits of the truck.

I think with Chev is can the front suspension handle the weight of the plow. I don't think ground clearance would be a problem your supposed to plow the snow not drive through it.

The one thing about Chevs is they ride nicer than a Ford if your putting on alot of highway miles a smoother ride is probably prefered.

Granted it is a thirsty engine, I won't be grocery shopping and traveling with it, so I won't be piling up miles on it. If a diesel will save me $10 in gas a week, it will equal the extra cost of the diesel after 72 Months of Financing

Thanks for letting me know that you plow snow and not drive through it;) However, Back Dragging snow would be my concern with ground clearance!

I have lower back problems because of my 97 F-350 ~ the original owner decided in his infinite wisdom to put 4 leaf springs in it to help out with the plow!

4 leafs on the front of a truck in the summer with all the freakin potholes around here will kill you!:cry:

ADLAWNCUTTERS
04-01-2004, 05:48 AM
There is no doubt that the 450 is better,bigger breaks, and more hold more wight , It depends on what you are hauling ,if your only doing much & grass and a couple of yards of dirt then a 350 will be ok. As i stated before service makes the difference when your plowing, I had break downs and delacy fixes my truck the next day,Have you dealer do a search for them , the money you want to spend you should get what want.orleans ford in the southern tier has a lot of trucks in stock,but they are cocky to deal with.,Try to buy new if you can afford it.Im in tonawanda call me after 4:00 pm 716-830-8808 ,sincerly al monteforte

PetalsandPines
04-01-2004, 09:08 AM
Delacy is right near me in West Seneca. They had a really nice 550 that seasonal landscaping ordered but did not take. I despise that color blue though!

akerr
04-01-2004, 05:10 PM
my boss just bought a brand new 2004 f-550 with a mason dump bed for $40,000. so for a little extra money you can get a lot more in a truck.

jt5019
04-01-2004, 05:17 PM
If you plan on plowing and getting a sander go with the 450.I plowed with one this past season and with a full load of sand i almost forgot anything was in it at times.They are really nice after driving that, i will only consider a 450 or even 550.

Tevi
04-01-2004, 08:51 PM
6.0 problems were fixed after model year 2004.25.Engines are warrantied for 100k You also can buy extended warranties.Go with a diesel the resale will be worth the extra money up front.You only have to change air/oil/fuel filters.If Dodge makes a larger truck they have the knowledge of Mercedes/Western Star/Sterling/Freightliner behind them

PetalsandPines
04-01-2004, 11:45 PM
I ended up buying the Chevy Silverado 3500 Dually Dump 4x4
8.1 Engine, with Allison 1000 Transmission. I also liked this truck because it had dual batteries because I hate electric issues in the winter. 2" Receiver hitch with Wiring & Brake Controller. Air Conditioning. Etc Etc...I thought the price was fair at $33,000 with Tax. Interest rates are low too. I am a Ford Man, but hey....I like the comfort of the ride on this one too. I baby my trucks so I am not worried about the resale, I will probably keep this one till it dies!

jsaunders
04-03-2004, 11:19 AM
Sorry to hear about the truck :p here's mine, 02 psd with 3,600 miles when bought (now 16,000)$29,000 Joel

GLS
04-05-2004, 02:04 AM
So, are you going to get us a pic of the new 3500 Petals:)

PetalsandPines
04-05-2004, 08:00 AM
I pick the truck up tonight or tomorrow morning, will post pic as asap!! Can't Wait~!

ADLAWNCUTTERS
04-06-2004, 05:29 AM
Good luck with the new truck .how do you think the front end will hold up with a plow ,i heard they take a drive.& have low ground clearance.

PetalsandPines
04-10-2004, 04:13 PM
Well guys, here's the new truck! (The one in front) I am still a ford guy....Few little things with the Chevy that Irks me, but otherwise it is a sharp looking truck

PetalsandPines
04-10-2004, 04:15 PM
another picture of my trucks.

PetalsandPines
04-10-2004, 04:16 PM
we'll try that again...

NNJLandman
04-10-2004, 07:55 PM
My Boss had bought either an 03-04 Chevy Mason Dump identical for yours for the winter, well after about a month or two the darn thing stopped getting gas. It just wouldn't suck any gas, so finally today he got it back, he might have to get a new dump body for it not sure, but they had to do a bunch of stuff to it for it to work. And I was the first one to drive it :)

Superior Lawn Care
05-08-2004, 09:40 AM
Nice rig. I also have a chevy mine is a 2002 2500HD with the DURAMAX and allison package. I have a 8.5' western ultramount v plow for it.. the thing with the chevys is they sit lower in the front so i had the torsion bars turned so it raised the front about 2.5 to 3'' and now the whole truck sits level and looks alot better. i also put a set of timbrens(not sure if i spelled that right) on the front bump stops so the front end wouldnt sag when the plow is up. I love my truck though it works great.