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jeff_0
03-31-2004, 12:54 AM
I wanted to know how many gallon(s) per k are your tank calibrated for?

wissel_landscaping
03-31-2004, 10:15 AM
I bucket checked mine and timed it, it set at 2 gallons per min.

Harvestman
03-31-2004, 10:21 AM
1.5 gal min per k

NC Big Daddy
03-31-2004, 04:48 PM
2 gal per min. We check most every morning.

timturf
03-31-2004, 08:47 PM
12 to 15 gal / acre

Ric
03-31-2004, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by timturf
12 to 15 gal / acre

OK Tim

I guess no one else is brave enough to jump on this one. I will agree with 35 gallon 0.8 gal per K. is the highest rate you can go and still get total foliar absorption. Any thing higher and it goes into the ground. But 12 gallons per acre or 0.25 gallons per K is a little less than I want to try and spray. Now a boom sprayer might work great but they are not for every property. Hand spraying at this low a volume and high AI would cause me problems.

What works for me might not work for you and vice-verse. Now in my area we all try to spray 3 Gallon per K because of our insect factor. How ever many guys are now using Perm-A-Greens and they come set to spray right at 0.8 gallons. They seem to be working.

Russ
04-01-2004, 05:30 AM
What are we spraying?
Pre-em
Fert?
Post?
Tank Mixes?
Insect?
What are we spraying?

Ric
04-01-2004, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by Russ
What are we spraying?
Pre-em
Fert?
Post?
Tank Mixes?
Insect?
What are we spraying?


Russ

Good Question. In my case all the above plus more. The fact is I spray @ 5 gallon per K when many others in my area only Spray @ 3 Gallons per K. However I have a second Spot Spray tank for herbicides that is 1 gallon per K. Many of my chemical need watered in like insecticide and pre-emerge. Home owner don't always do it so I try and put down as mush water as I can afford to carry.

timturf
04-01-2004, 09:00 AM
I'm spraying broadleaf control at 12 to 15 gal / acre, or .27 - .34gal/m

insecticide and fungicided sprayed at 1.5 gal/m, but I seldom apply these products

using a small boom

please note, the gregson-clark spreader-mate will deliver .3gal/m
I don't own one either

D&V
12-05-2004, 02:20 AM
OK Tim

I guess no one else is brave enough to jump on this one. I will agree with 35 gallon 0.8 gal per K. is the highest rate you can go and still get total foliar absorption. Any thing higher and it goes into the ground. But 12 gallons per acre or 0.25 gallons per K is a little less than I want to try and spray. Now a boom sprayer might work great but they are not for every property. Hand spraying at this low a volume and high AI would cause me problems.

What works for me might not work for you and vice-verse. Now in my area we all try to spray 3 Gallon per K because of our insect factor. How ever many guys are now using Perm-A-Greens and they come set to spray right at 0.8 gallons. They seem to be working.

Ric,
Could you clarify the rate that you put above for being the highest for foliar absorbtion. It says 35gal .8gal per K. How much per K did you mean? What peramaters do you go by in terms of fertilizers as to how much is too much and will burn? I have heard 12,000-15,000ppm, which would be about .5lb N per 10gal perK (I think it is around 13,000 ppm, forgot exactly what the math was). It seems like trying to get out a half pound of N with only 3 or 5 gallons per K would burn very easily, especially here if Florida. The company I work for uses a lot of water, 10 gal per K. I am trying to weigh the pros and cons of putting down so much water because I will soon be starting my own business.

Runner
12-05-2004, 02:35 AM
Out of the skid, for herbicide, I spray 1 gal. per k. This is a hot mixture for this area, but I like to get the coverage per tank. I do NOT recommend this for anyone without marginal experience in spraying. This is one of the reasons that big green uses 3 gal. per k, because it's hard to mess up and there is so much less of a drift factor, making it much safer. Even the monkeys THEY hire can spray this stuff at these rates.

Ric
12-05-2004, 10:04 AM
Ric,
Could you clarify the rate that you put above for being the highest for foliar absorbtion. It says 35gal .8gal per K. How much per K did you mean? What peramaters do you go by in terms of fertilizers as to how much is too much and will burn? I have heard 12,000-15,000ppm, which would be about .5lb N per 10gal perK (I think it is around 13,000 ppm, forgot exactly what the math was). It seems like trying to get out a half pound of N with only 3 or 5 gallons per K would burn very easily, especially here if Florida. The company I work for uses a lot of water, 10 gal per K. I am trying to weigh the pros and cons of putting down so much water because I will soon be starting my own business.

D&V

All Turfs differ in Variety, height and density, Therefore each will absorb at a different rate. However a general rule of thumb is 35 gallon per acre or 0.8 gallons per thousand square feet will be absorbed by the turf leaf and never reach the soil. "POINT OF RUN OFF" This is considered a foliar application, once the liquid is applied in a larger volume it becomes a soil application.

Most turf can absorb 0.1 lb of Nitrogen per 24 hour period foliar. In the case of your present company 10 gallon per thousand is an excellent application rate and I wish I could afford to carry that much water to get the response. Thick thatched C-4 warm season turf needs all the carrier it can get, to get into the thatch layer to kill insects. However by the same token that the insecticide is carried into the roots for better control, the fertilizer will leach below the root depth quicker.

Now PPM to cause burn is a factor of Salt Index of each element. However it is also a factor of tolerances by the plant being fertilized. Plants that have been fertilized heavy over a period of time will not burn as easy as those that are hungry. Once again a factor of the Salt Index and Osmosis. Highly Foliar only fertilized plants can absorb more water and retain in longer because of the gradient differences between the roots and the soil.

Now all the above, in the words of BooBy is "useless information" because it is real nuts and bolts science of Agronomy. It is however more important and easier to read the label of each chemical applied and follow the manufactures guide lines. Here I will refer you back to Russ's Question about "What are we spraying".

SodKing
12-05-2004, 10:28 AM
Good thread. It is always a pleasure to see quality responses.

That being said...

I no longer use my large tank so I calibrated it to dispense martini's at 3oz per glass. In my 300 gallon tank I can have a party for 12,800 people :drinkup:

Ric
12-05-2004, 10:37 AM
Good thread. It is always a pleasure to see quality responses.

That being said...

I no longer use my large tank so I calibrated it to dispense martini's at 3oz per glass. In my 300 gallon tank I can have a party for 12,800 people :drinkup:


Sodking

Do you find a better response with Beefeater products?? Doesn't if Cause a quicker Green?? BTW I prefer Shaken not stirred.

SodKing
12-05-2004, 11:05 AM
I prefer the Absolute. The hardest part is keeping the ice from clogging the 100 mesh filter. I was thinking of chilling the whole tank, instead of using ice, but when I submerge the unit in my pool(filled with ice water) the darn engine won start.

The problems we professionals face.

Ric
12-05-2004, 11:41 AM
I prefer the Absolute. The hardest part is keeping the ice from clogging the 100 mesh filter. I was thinking of chilling the whole tank, instead of using ice, but when I submerge the unit in my pool(filled with ice water) the darn engine won start.

The problems we professionals face.


Sod

Your using the wrong equipment. Replace that Hydra cell with a standard Trash pump and remove the screens.

SodKing
12-05-2004, 01:36 PM
Good point...

Russ
12-05-2004, 02:31 PM
Great new ideas & in depth information is why I enjoy this site. I like the idea of the new use for the skid sprayer and may incorporate it into my program. I do have experience with several of the chemicals mentioned in the previous post applied in various methods. I have found that while there is a significant stress reduction, that multiple applications increase the possibility of drift in my program. There also seems to be a increased disregard for PPE when dealing with a new customer as well as a decrease in customer quality. IMO the chemicals preferred will vary region to region, season to season as well as by personal preference but I would caution that several of these should carry the Danger Label since they are RUP's if stress is a pest. In the absence of specific label instructions, I would recommend extensive testing at home before even limited use in public and even then be very cautious of over application.

osc
12-09-2004, 05:59 PM
Don't forget ground speed. I have a Toro multipro 100 boom sprayer. My ground speed determines as much as my mix or spray pressure. I lay down anywhere from 1 to 3 gallons per thousand depending on whether I am doing greens or fairways. I have to drive a lot slower on greens and the rate of mix is lower. Also different chems.

GrazerZ
12-09-2004, 06:45 PM
2 gallons per k for me. I use mullenium ultra for broadleaf weeds with sticker added. I used to do 3 gallons per K but was filling up way too much for my tastes. Its about perfect for me now.

Ric
12-10-2004, 07:19 AM
Yep

Ground Speed and RUP's can make a real differences in Absolute response. :D

ForeverGreen
12-10-2004, 07:39 PM
Lesco 200 Skid 1.5 Gallon per 1000 sq and .23 gallon per with PG and use lots of 3pt per acre Millinium Ultra also.Ted FG