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bnrhuffman
04-16-2004, 07:15 PM
Ive got a 97 F350 with Powerstroke. It was a plow /salt truck before I got it last year. Anyways, a couple of days ago I noticed that it was leaving drips in the drive. Today I got under it and thought I had a leaky rear main until I cleaned the pan off. After getting all the grime off the bottom, I see that the oil is just seeping through the pan near the rear edge. I knew the pan was badly rusted but Ive never seen or heard of an oil pan rusting through before. After a cleaned it, it no longer leaves drips, its puddles now. My temporary solution is to smear some high temp RTV on it but I know thats not permanent. Any ideas on this, short of pulling the pan and replacing it? Welding, JBWeld, Sealer???

Eddyyy302
04-16-2004, 07:28 PM
Go Ahead and replace the Pan! I have dealt with quite a few of these, and the pan will rust through. Jb weld and the such only hold for a short period of time. I tried to fix one numerous times just to see if i could, and somethings worked but for short periods up to a month. It isn't worth the cost of a new engine if you run it low on oil.

Dan
Eddy Landscape Design

Grassmechanic
04-16-2004, 07:29 PM
Rusty oil pans were/are common in Fords. Had to replace a few myself. Don't waste your time with short term fixes, just replace the pan.

Grassmechanic
04-16-2004, 07:30 PM
Damnnn Eddyyy, you beat me to it.

xcopterdoc
04-16-2004, 07:33 PM
no perm fix other than to replace it. Its so rusted that welding is useless, other than starting the oil on fire and collecting the insurance. Same with any kind of glue or sealer, it must be absolutely clean for it to stick, so rule that out. So just grit yur teeth and pull the pan and replace it. Its not that uncommon of a repair with trucks from the salt belt.

CT18fireman
04-16-2004, 10:13 PM
Replace it. But trust me it is not an easy job. Go over to Plowsite and you will see a write up done on a 95 F250. If you do not have the motivation have the dealership do it.

turfmower
04-18-2004, 12:26 PM
i fixed one of mine with Pc7 on a ford with 460. lasted 2 years till i pulled the engine then i ground it off and brazed then shut but I could have left the Pc7 it was still solid and holding

bnrhuffman
04-18-2004, 07:25 PM
What is PC7 and where do I get it?
Ive already got some JBWeld from a project last year but if the PC7 is more suited for the job than thats the way I want to go.
I dont like temporary fixes but at this point, I would like to keep the truck on the road. If I can do something that will last until fall when Im not as busy with it, then I can get it to a shop or pull it in my garage and do it right.

ADLAWNCUTTERS
04-19-2004, 03:03 AM
when you finaly do put a new pan on. smear new grease on after every oil change an it will last longer

turfmower
04-19-2004, 06:56 PM
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it is 2 part epoxy it very strong. it can be machined I've used it to fix a mower where the conecting rod went though the block on a old Briggs Engine. It in almost every auto parts store here also ace hardware has it.

Drain the oil clean the area make sure you get all rust off use wire brush and sand paper then use some lacquer thinner to make sure there is no oil. mix it on piece of cardboard so it nice grey color. put it on let it set up 12- 18 hours before you put oil back in. make sure you clean tools right away or else you will need a grinder to get it off. It also sticks to your hands.


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bnrhuffman
04-20-2004, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by turfmower
[Ace hardware (http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1409482)

ADVISE Do not subject to sustained heat in excess of 200 (93C). PC-7 has strength far exceeding most materials on which used.



That sentence kinda bothers me. Other than that, it sounds alot like JBWeld.
Someone at work was suggesting something called Magnasteel, also a two part putty with hardener.

turfmower
04-20-2004, 08:43 PM
never had any trouble with it it better the JB weld I have used it on a block of a briggs engine and if you oil is hoter that 200 degs you have lot more problems than a leaky old pan. touch the pan right after you drove truck it not that hot and oil pan listed on repairs. I had it on my oil pan for over 2 years. this is a putty like.

Staffordnurseries
11-02-2004, 11:48 PM
Both my trucks are now sealed up with JB weld, fixed during oil change. I used brake cleaner to clean up the oil. There are epoxies from the same people who make the socks for soaking up and containing oil spills. They claim you can use this to stop a running leak in a drum. Havent had a chance to try it but we have it available at the auto componets plant I work at

bnrhuffman
11-05-2004, 03:28 PM
I did the JB Weld thing to my pan as a temporary fix but its holding up real well. I took the extra time to prep the surface real good and it has payed off. I hope it contiues to hold. I checked into the cost of removing and replacing an oil pan on a 97 F350 Powerstroke and I just about had a stroke. Just let me say that doing an R & R of the pan is now my last resort.