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Wayne Landscaping
05-12-2004, 12:39 AM
Does anybody have a 10 cylinder F-250 or F-350? If so, how do you like it?

EagleLandscape
05-12-2004, 03:45 AM
I've heard they don't have alot of power for towing. Also if you look on www.BlueOvalNews.com they just suspended the production of these engines until November 2004. So obviously something is seriously wrong or something like that with the engine. Go diesel, it's worth every penny, with gas prices they are right now. I'm so glad to be paying 50 cents less a gallon on fuel that all those gassers out there.

Plus think about it... 10 cylinders on gas? That's going to get real expensive really fast.

Come play with the big boys, get a diesel:-D

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BackAcreFarm
05-12-2004, 07:14 AM
I have a '99 F250 with the V10. It's never been underpowered, I have not had any problems with it (about 90,000 miles).

It is a gas hog, I check every time I fill up, the best it ever got was a little over 12 MPG, it's usually under 11 MPG. It works on a farm and spends more time in 4 wheel drive than most probably do.

Wayne Landscaping
05-12-2004, 07:55 AM
Thanks for your inputs.

FosterLawnscaping
05-12-2004, 11:00 PM
I have a v10 and I have a diesel. He asked about a v10. I actually have first hand experience with one so I'll give my input on it instead of giving second or third hand info like jwing. I have not had one problem with my v10. I get 12 mpg towing around town, I get 16.5-18 highway empty. It has never been underpowered even with 12,000 pounds behind it. If I were buying a new truck, It would have a v10 under the hood. It's not worth it to spend an extra 5 grand on a diesel. I bought my diesel used and got a great deal or I never would have bought it. The v10 has hp and torque all through the rpm range. It's a great truck engine. My 2 cents.

Potchkins
05-13-2004, 01:23 AM
fuel prices...
diesel $1.64
reg gas $1.89
i got a diesel because of the
9mpg i was getting in a F150 gas burner

rookiemower
05-13-2004, 10:32 AM
heres my honest opinion about diesels. if your going to keep the truck for the long haul get diesel the cost will eventually pay for itself. if you keep trucks for under five years or don't put on 20,000+ miles a year don't get one it won't be justified. i still would rather have a diesel though and the torque will blow any gas job out of the water!

BackAcreFarm
05-13-2004, 01:46 PM
A little fun with math:
From the Ford website, the difference between the V10 and the Diesel is $4485 (list).
Using the prices above for fuel (Gas $1.89, Diesel $1.64), and a couple of estimates at MPG (V10 at 10MPG and Diesel at 16MPG), the mileage you would have to drive to make up the difference is 51850.
At 51850 miles the V10 would have cost about $9800, and the diesel would have cost about $5315 - a difference of $4485.
This doesn't count that the diesel trade-in (residual value) would probably be higher than the V10.
Keep in mind though that current prices are an anomaly and there are times when the diesel fuel is actually higher than gas.

Green Pastures
05-13-2004, 06:50 PM
I have a 99 F-250 with the V10, I love it, BUT had I known then what I know now I'd have got the diesel.

The only reason is gas mileage and current gas prices.

If gas was back down at $1.17 which is what I was paying this time last year, I'd say go V-10.

Wayne Landscaping
05-13-2004, 11:05 PM
Thanks guys. Cost really isn't a big deal to me because what's more important is the principle that you have 10 cylinders.

jlewis
05-14-2004, 01:41 PM
Backacre,
Adding to your math fun, according to KBB,
99 F350 crew short bed 2wd XL w/ Auto and 68K
V10 - Retail 15,730
6.8 - Retail 20,730

The 5 grand difference never goes away!

Real trucks don't have spark plugs!

BackAcreFarm
05-14-2004, 01:53 PM
JLewis,
Makes that diesel look pretty good doesn't it?

Tevi
05-14-2004, 08:36 PM
Look at resale also A diesel will hold its value and sell quicker than a gasser.You also bon't have to woory about plugs and wires to replace.A diesel you just change filters and fluids

Wayne Landscaping
05-14-2004, 10:10 PM
10 CYLINDERS! Come on, who wouldn't want that?

FrankenScagMachines
05-14-2004, 10:27 PM
Iím a Ford man. Iíve had two of them now and not quite 17 yet even. í90 F250 with a 351 and a 5 spd (2wd) and currently a í89 F350 flatbed with a 460 and a 3 spd C6 a/t (2wd also). Both have 3.55 gears and stock size tires which is the same size on each truck. So with same gearing itís kind of easy to judge the power. The 351 in the F250 got 9-12.5 mpg depending on what youíre doing (trailer in town-highway empty). The 460 in the F350 gets 6.5-8 no matter what you do! The stop and go in town kills it. It doesnít really matter if you are loaded or not. Since it has no overdrive, itís hard on the highway too.
The 351 has sufficient power if you do not tow a lot. The 460 will flat out pull or push or haul ANYTHING. Itís really thirsty, but with the F250 I drove it everywhere for everything. The F350 I just drive it only for work use or when I cannot use one of my parentís cars. With gas prices at $2.09 today, itís really hurting me. My next truck will probably be a diesel. I have no complaints with the gassers except fuel mileage and prices. If you notice, diesel price stays pretty much the same. Gas prices are constantly getting spiked and jacked up to unreasonable amounts. But, in a gasser I know I can get fuel anywhere. Some places do not sell diesel. It just so happens that my favorite fuel station has it though. The gassers are quieter and cheaper to fix. They will last a long time if you take care of them too. Iím just ramblingÖ. Iíd like a diesel for economy, but saying you have a 7.5 liter 460 cubic inch big block is pretty impressive!!!! Think about it, they donít make diesels with that amount of displacement (I do realize that they donít need to, but some people donít know that LOL). Itís gobs of power and I love having this truck for working out of. The 8x12 bed is sweet, a/t is nice for a change, a/c will be nice when I get it recharged, and the 460 power is great. I just have to be careful not to use it for everything I do.

In short, if you could get good mileage from a gasser like the newer ones, Iíd probably just get one of them instead of a diesel. But if weíre talking older trucks, diesel will likely be a better choice.

Keith
05-15-2004, 01:45 AM
What do you need the truck for? Are you using it to haul a really heavy load daily over a lot of miles? Or are you running a fairly tight route with just an average size trailer? Things vary so much by region it's hard to understand why someone might say why they need one over the other. For instance, until recently, diesel ran about the same price as 87 here. The last time gas went way up around these parts, diesel went as high and even a little higher than 93. This time diesel is sticking about 10 cents a gallon less than 87. That may change tomorrow. Trying to predict gas and diesel prices ranks right up there with being able to pick the winning lottery numbers :D

When one guy says diesel is the only way to go, he may be running a 50+ mile per day route. He might not fully grasp the notion of going less than 20 miles a day with 15-20 stops. Everyone has different needs.

A diesel will almost always do better on fuel than a gasser. But numbers reported can vary widely. Contrary to popular belief, not all oil squishers get 65mpg towing 54,000lbs up a hill both ways in a headwind :p My neighbor towed his new 20' enclosed trailer back from Ohio and said he knocked down 11mpg with his 2000 PSD 4X4 Crew Cab. Not bad in my book. But I have heard others claim 16+ towing a similar load. He claims 16mpg empty on average over the 100k or so miles he had the truck. Again, not bad, but others claim 25mpg +

Maybe he got a freak or maybe others have the freaks for knocking down so much better numbers. Dunno. In another case, my uncle paid for all the fuel on a trip out to Montana towing a 30' house on wheels last summer. The truck in question was a 2002 Ford crew cab 7.3 PSD. I do not know if it was 4x4 or not. He said they averaged 9.1 mpg. Again, not bad, but a far cry from some of the numbers you here other people getting.

Same goes for the V10 or V8 gasser. One guy may get 8.5 mpg towing a 20' enclosed trailer, the other guy might get 10.5. In my honest opinion, V10's getting 6mpg and diesels getting 18 mpg towing of the exception, not the norm. The maintenance costs are kind of a moot point. The diesel owner can bring up the spark plug thing, the gas owner can bring up the fact that the diesel oil and filters cost a whole heck of a lot more.

In closing, research and research some more and decide which is for you. Just remember gassers are never a good choice in a diesel owners eyes :p If you can get past that you are doing better than most people.

FosterLawnscaping
05-15-2004, 02:07 AM
HE ASKED ABOUT A FRIKKIN V10!!!!!!! Can't he just get what he asked for instead of 20 people telling him to get something he doesn't want? He asked if anybody had a Ford truck with a V10. So far out of all of these people who posted, 2 people actually own a V10. He didn't ask if he should get a v10 or a diesel. He asked for anyone who owns a Ford V10 for their opinions on it. Some of you guys work so hard to show that diesel is the way to go. I think it's because you are still trying to justify to yourself the extra 5 grand you spent to get one. I own both, he asked about the V10, that's what I told him about. I don't care what anyone says, the only way it is cheaper to own and run a diesel is if you bought it used for dirt cheap and you're comparing it to a 460 running in 4 low trying to go 45mph up a hill dragging 4 tons of trailer. I feel better now:angry: P.S. Wayne, if you have any other questions that you want a real answer to feel free to PM me.

Tevi
05-15-2004, 07:24 AM
Glad you got your panties straightened out

xcopterdoc
05-15-2004, 04:30 PM
As a mech for many years and having had my time working on both, my $ would go to the V-10. Much easier and cheaper. You coal burners wait til ya need serious stuff done! Mortgage the farm! Spark plugs vs injectors? Ok.. most plugs in these gassers will go 100K nowadays. And if they have to be replaced, go buy a set and put em in. If yur injector goes bad on a coal burner it can cause all kinds of problems, like buying a new engine! Come cold weather.. wanna talk about glow plugs, glow plug controllers, plugging it in all night to heat the engine... with the gasser, walk out, hit the key, go back into the warm house, pour a cup of java and get with it. If yur on the highway, driving 50K a year hauling heavy loads and burning alot of fuel, then the diesel may be for you. Around the local area, stop and go, 5 to 10 stops a day, buy a gasser.

Tevi
05-15-2004, 05:14 PM
I've got 197k on my diesel and I have the original injectors and I've never had to plug my truck in.I'm paying 1.47 to 1.53 a gallon for diesel and it's 1.96 for medium grade gas.I repeat look at resale.You'll get more and sell quicker with a diesel.

BossRam
05-15-2004, 08:52 PM
1.50 for gas!! geeeez you guys got it easy, here in northern illinois were up to $2.15 for regular unleaded! Diesel's at $1.80 though, Im so glad I got my diesel a few months ago, going from 9 mpg to 15 city and 23 highway, lets hope diesel dosen't start going up!




2003 2500 heavy duty Ram Quad Cab with all the goodies

Mdirrigation
05-17-2004, 09:52 AM
Brother has a V10 at 45,000 miles it blew out a spark plug, dealer had to install new head , truck was out of warranty . To change head the dealer lifts body off frame to save time , total charge parts and labor , $ 2750.00 . Truck was sold a month later .

CT18fireman
05-17-2004, 11:02 AM
All new trucks face that same problem. Motor is installed onto frame and then body built / installed around it. Any major engine work requires a lot of labor. Diesels have problems sometimes as well.

Try doing an oil pan gasket on a Diesel.

Wayne Landscaping
05-19-2004, 10:46 PM
Thanks FosterLawnscaping. I say screw diesel. The main reason i want a V10 is because it's the same number of cylinders that a Lamborghini Gallardo and Porsche Carrera GT has. Screw saving money on gas, the main thing is how bad a$$ your truck is. And a V10 will just top it all off.

PMLAWN
05-23-2004, 08:08 PM
Wayne, I don't have a V10 so I may be wrong but I don't think you will keep up with the Lambo.

BackAcreFarm
05-23-2004, 08:19 PM
I DO have the V10 in my F250, you'll probably catch up with the Lamborghini and Porsche at the gas station.

hosejockey2002
05-24-2004, 01:34 AM
Screw saving money on gas, the main thing is how bad a$$ your truck is. And a V10 will just top it all off.

Who gives a rip about your truck? It's just what you drive between jobs. If you are truly serious about this business, get the truck that is most cost effective and reliable and forget about how "bad" it is.

The C Man
05-24-2004, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by hosejockey2002
Who gives a rip about your truck? It's just what you drive between jobs. If you are truly serious about this business, get the truck that is most cost effective and reliable and forget about how "bad" it is.

Whadda ya expect, he's 16.

Wayne Landscaping
05-30-2004, 12:13 PM
Thanks C-Man, you're right

BackAcreFarm
05-31-2004, 06:42 AM
Nice machine, can you tow a trailer with that?

Wayne Landscaping
05-31-2004, 08:12 PM
I wish. I saw a orange murcialago pass me on the road yesterday and was drooling hours afterwards.

herkfe
05-31-2004, 09:07 PM
Having owned both a V-10 ('99) and a PSD ('96) I will say this. If you are towing heavy loads on hills on a daily basis (I was) the diesel is the way to go. If you are doing the daily driver thing with many short legs then maybe gas is the way to go.

With my diesel I was dragging 9k pounds just about daily up and down the hills here in NY. It was great. Now I drag two horses in a gooseneck every couple of weeks that runs about 6k or so and while I have no problems, I do miss the diesel once in a while. No problems, just different styles. I drop the gasser down and wrap up the rpm's and up the hills we go. Gets it done, just not the same.

I have 70k miles on my gasser and have had zero problems. I sold my PSD with my last business and it had 97k on it and I did have to replace the tranny, damn module screwed up the torque converter so I had it totally rebuilt and bulletproofed. Not a problem that was related to the engine.

Mileage can be an issue. I used to see about 14 mpg with the PSD and trailer. I get around 11 with the V-10 and trailer running similar routes. One thing that I do like about the 10 is being able to find gas anywhere! Around me there was only one place that was relatively convenient for diesel so that was a pita on occasion.

I have been happy with both and I would say that it really depends and what you will need to do with it. As with any business decision, base it on your needs! Any truck will have its pro's and con's so put some thoughts into what you want it to do for you. Speed and power are only functions of how much $$$ you want to throw at the problem. Given enough money I'm sure we can all keep "one-upping" each other on speed, towing power, etc.

Good luck!

Pete

Wayne Landscaping
05-31-2004, 10:20 PM
I just can't decide between this

Wayne Landscaping
05-31-2004, 10:22 PM
or this.........

Wayne Landscaping
05-31-2004, 10:23 PM
(Sorry)
Or this.................

PMLAWN
06-01-2004, 03:52 AM
Hard choice! Very, Very, different trucks. Do you need 4x4, do you need long bed? IMO you need the super-cab. It will be so much nicer to work with all the extra room. I guess price and miles will come into play.
It sounds like you are looking at a personal truck as well as a business truck. For business get a white 2x vinyl seat small v8 cheap truck. But from your posts it sounds like you want to be stroked by your ride. Again, IMO (and I believe most others) the diesel is a more manly ride, and 4x4 is also better for overcoming other deficiencies. As far as the ride for the EGO, 4x PSD,supercab is the only way to go.

herkfe
06-01-2004, 10:37 AM
LOL..... Wow, since we're tying our trucks to our manliness...the diesel is shorter.....you could always say that your bed is bigger! Length has to count for something!

I agree that the supercab is the way to go. I will never own a regular cab after having had one years ago. The SC with a short bed is a nice combo, and having lived in IL, I know you will want the 4x4 in the winter. Also, I can't tell from the picture but does it have a plow mount? If so what kind? Just wondering.....

Turning radius should be about the same with either....bad. Only thing I haven't like about my Fords is that they need space to turn! But both have been SC 8' beds.

Both good trucks, but given where you live, etc I think you would be better off with the diesel if it won't put you too far behind the 8 ball with payments. IMO, it does you no good to have a truck you can't afford just so you look cool. Remember, after all your friends have seen it once, it's no longer "new" to them....


Good luck!

Pete

GTLC
06-01-2004, 06:06 PM
Well, just think for a second everybody. Gas vs. diesel...most of us are towing trailers around all the time and hauling mulch, so why do you think Ford and Chevrolet only advertise their diesel heavy-duty trucks in magazines and on TV? When I think of a truck, I automatically think diesel. I think that is what makes it a truck IMO.