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alpine692003
05-24-2004, 09:03 PM
Hey, how long do you guys think it will take to do a 100 sq feet brick patio?

the surface area is already prepped.. meaning the gravel is already tamped.. I have to lay down bedding sand and then lay the bricks and put play sand ontop of the bricks after and tamper..

you guys think approx 20hrs?

kris
05-24-2004, 09:27 PM
20 hours to lay one pallet of stone? Shouldn't take you that long.

alpine692003
05-24-2004, 09:32 PM
I'm going to meet with the customer right now..

so far the information I have from them is;

they have the bricks, area is dug up, some levelling required, the depth is only 2 inches.. I must tell them they need at least 5.5inches of gravel and sand or else they have some drainage problems right?

kris
05-24-2004, 09:44 PM
the patio will fail with a 2" base. Have you done any paving stones before? If not do a search ...there are hundreds of great posts on here about patios.

alpine692003
05-25-2004, 12:01 AM
yes, thats what I said ..

Anyways, I came back from the customer's house.. here's the situation, maybe you guys can help me out because I have to submit the estimate in a few days..

12ft long x 8ft wide patio = approx 96sq feet so i'll say 100 sq feet
- customer already dug the area and put a 2" base with gravel and play sand lol ..
- I told them you need at least a 5.5inch base to start off with!

Here's the step you're suppose to do but i'm not sure how long it will take me!

- put down landscape fabric to separate soil and gravel
- spread gravel 2" then compact
- spread another 2" gravel then compact again so 4" base
- put down bedding sand onto of gravel 1.5" base so - 5.5" base
- rake sand smooth with screed
- lay 1st row of bricks running bond pattern
- if necessary, cut off bricks in halves.
- install plastic black edging so the bricks dont move along the edges, nail down 6" spikes
- tamper bricks and remove cracked bricks, replace crackes ones
- sweep mason sand in between the bricks, tamper, water

Those are the steps right?

The materials I have to get are;
bedding sand, gravel, plastic edging, masonary sand.
- power tamper, cut off saw tool rental..
= I'm looking at $200 approx for materials

Now comes the labour time, I've done a basalt stone patio before.. So I have some idea of how to do this!

I'm guessing 16 - 20man hours with 2 people @ 35 per person...
$70 x 16 -20hrs = 1120 - 1400..

What do you think, is it too much?

Rex Mann
05-25-2004, 12:18 AM
First, you'll need to remove the 2" of gravel and remove more soil. Next, install the geo-textile. Then, install your aggregate base in lifts. Now, you can compact in 2 inch lifts. Screed out your sand. Lay your pavers, cut your pavers, install the edging using 12 INCH SPIKES. Now, tamp the pavers once using overlapping passes. Add the sweep sand. BTW: concrete sand must be used for the bedding sand. It can also be used for the sweep sand. DO NOT USE MASON SAND FOR THE BEDDING SAND! Sweep the sand into the joints. tamp one more time and sweep more sand. Now, hose it off and get paidpayup

Time wise one experienced guy could do this in 8-hours depending on the cuts. 8-hours on site, not running to pickup rental equipment and materials.

Two guys could do it in about 3- hours.

Best of luck with your project.

Peace,

Rex

our web site (http://rmstonescaping.com)

alpine692003
05-25-2004, 12:31 AM
I know that bedding sand is not used as masonry sand, lol..

Masonary sand is what you use to sweep between the pavers.
Bedding sand is your base for the pavers..

You think 16hrs is too long, I've only done 1 patio job before.. This will be my 2nd if i put the bid in at $1450 inc. materials.

you think its too much, you do need a 5.5" base though right rexx?

RedWingsDet
06-02-2004, 10:33 PM
sorry for the question, but i am laying a 190sq ft patio. but what does screed the sand mean?

hole in one lco
06-02-2004, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by PremierLandscaping
sorry for the question, but i am laying a 190sq ft patio. but what does screed the sand mean?
its a fancy word for leveling

hole in one lco
06-02-2004, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by alpine692003
I know that bedding sand is not used as masonry sand, lol..

Masonary sand is what you use to sweep between the pavers.
Bedding sand is your base for the pavers..

You think 16hrs is too long, I've only done 1 patio job before.. This will be my 2nd if i put the bid in at $1450 inc. materials.

you think its too much, you do need a 5.5" base though right rexx?

I use polymeric for my jointing sand if you want the best you need to use the best.

Rex Mann
06-02-2004, 11:02 PM
What's Unilock getting a bag of the polymeric?

We use Sandlok. It way less expensive and does
the same thing. You may want to look into it.

BTW: do you know Tom Majors?


Peace,

Rex Mann

our web site (http://rmstonescaping.com)

hole in one lco
06-02-2004, 11:26 PM
here is my price i can get it for 10 a bag if i buy a pallet

landscapingpoolguy
06-03-2004, 10:29 PM
wow I get unilock about .25 - .50 a sq ft cheeper on all those pavers. only thing is the poly sand is more expensive.....oh and for weho ever wants to know screeding is a form of leveling where you run a screed or a 2x4 over two pipes or other 2x4's to level out sand/base/cement/whatever

Chuck

Rex Mann
06-04-2004, 01:21 AM
Hole in One,

You can get the Unilock pavers much cheaper at Valley City Builders Supply located in downtown Valley City, Ohio crossroads route 303 and route 252 (Columbia Road) Their number is 330-483-3400 ask for Sue and tell her Rex sent you.

Here I pay $1.23 a sf for all generation 1 pavers. Tumbled pavers start at $2.35 a sf:)

Peace,

Rex

our web site (http://rmstonescaping.com)