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ProStreetCamaro
06-25-2004, 03:44 PM
Just called our local Gravely dealer and ask for a price on the 44Z. He said he wont sell them and went on to tell me how guilty he would feel if he did sell the 44Z. He said we would be coming back and grumbling to him about how much of a POS it was. He also said that they wont be around long because of all the problems the one's that are out there are having.
I was shocked to hear this from the dealers mouth. He did say if I really wanted one he could order it for me but it would be wise to keep away from the 44Z. He gave me a price of 4499.99. What do you guys think about this? I have always loved gravely mowers over scag, exmark, bob cat, and a few others.

jestermg
06-25-2004, 03:52 PM
my dealer said it is a good machine, the only problems seem to be with the eye q system. that Eye q will shut the mower down for all sorts of reasons.

Maybe this is what he was refering to?

I just left my dealer with a price for 4900. NOT counting the Eye Q which is optional on this piece of equipment.

ProStreetCamaro
06-25-2004, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by jestermg
my dealer said it is a good machine, the only problems seem to be with the eye q system. that Eye q will shut the mower down for all sorts of reasons.

Maybe this is what he was refering to?

I just left my dealer with a price for 4900. NOT counting the Eye Q which is optional on this piece of equipment.

He just said it would fall apart with commercial use. And then went on to say that he has a 52" BlahBlah Z mower brand new for only 4,999. And that it was much better quality. I just figured maybe he couldnt get the 44Z so he was playing it down.

Envy Lawn Service
06-25-2004, 04:41 PM
Is this the PM 144 Z you are talking about. I would assume not or else the dealer is full of sh!t.

ProStreetCamaro
06-25-2004, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Envy Lawn Service
Is this the PM 144 Z you are talking about. I would assume not or else the dealer is full of sh!t.

No its the PM 44Z.

jestermg
06-25-2004, 04:53 PM
OK thats different.

yes the pm44 is not built on a heavy duty frame. smaller tires, lighter guage stell etc etc. for 400 more you can get the 144Z
more to it than what I just mentioned, but cant remeber what all he told me was different.

it is still a 44 in deck, not a 52.

Mowingman
06-25-2004, 11:00 PM
Sorry, but the 44Z is buil;t just as heavy as the 144. The real difference is that it has a narrow frame from the 34Z, while the 144 has a wider frame from the "100" series machines. Yes, the tires are different, but the 44 is a very heavy duty commercial machine. The 44 has a slightly smaller engine than the 144. The 144, being wider, will handle hills better than the 44Z.
I tried a 44Z demo for a day, and just tried a 144 today. Used each of them on the same 12 yards. The 44 is much more nimble and easier to get in tight spots than the 144. It also is easier to trim with as it has more deck offset than the 144 due to it's narrow frame. There have been no problems with the 44Z that I know of, and I am a Gravely dealer, as well as operating a good size lawn maint. operation. We like the cut and speed of the 44Z so much, that we are going to use one to replace our Walker on small size residential properties.:)

jestermg
06-25-2004, 11:08 PM
so is the pm44 better than the 144 in your opinion?

the price is 400 less right?

Mowingman
06-25-2004, 11:19 PM
No question in my mind that for tight space mowing the 44Z is way better than the 144. Now, the exception would be if you are mowing hillsides. The 44Z has poor traction when on a hillside due to its narrow track.
As to price, I am not at my shop, so I do not remember the price difference. I was thinking it was a wider spread than $400.00.
If you can demo both, do so. You will really see how much more nimble the 44Z is.
:)

RedWingsDet
06-25-2004, 11:27 PM
the 44z was 2600 at my dealer, and 5000 for the 144z with 17hp, or 5900 or 19hp 144z.

im demoing the 144z now with the 17hp, im taking it back tommarow afternoon. i LOVE it, its AWSOME! but, im going to wait a month or so i think. im not sure. i need a new truck, i dont really need a Z so i might just wait until next year.

Mowingman
06-25-2004, 11:34 PM
Premier, are you sure about that price for the 44z? The regular selling price for the 34Z is $3995.00. The 44Z is at least $300 - $400 more than that. The price you stated is less than dealer cost for a 44Z.
Heck, the retail price for the Gravely homeowner-type 40" ZTR is about $2600.00.

RedWingsDet
06-25-2004, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Mowingman
Premier, are you sure about that price for the 44z? The regular selling price for the 34Z is $3995.00. The 44Z is at least $300 - $400 more than that. The price you stated is less than dealer cost for a 44Z.
Heck, the retail price for the Gravely homeowner-type 40" ZTR is about $2600.00.


opps maybe it was the homeowner 40" that was that cheap and i thought it was the 44z. sorry, hehe.

anyway, the 144z is an AWSOME machine and worth the money, if you have it!

jestermg
06-25-2004, 11:37 PM
thought the pm44 was only 400 cheaper. least my dealer said that...I think.

I am mowing hills so I may look into the 144

RedWingsDet
06-25-2004, 11:45 PM
i think if you bought the pm44z you would wish you have bought the 144z for 400 more at the end of the day!!!

jestermg
06-25-2004, 11:51 PM
that is what I am thinking. I have one on order right now. should know more on Monday.

firekilr2
06-26-2004, 01:19 AM
Check russo power for gravely price. I got the 34z for 3700.00 there.

Sam-Ohio
06-26-2004, 02:21 AM
If you guys want info , pictures, pricing, model designation etc. etc. etc. on Gravely products , why don't you look at the top of this screen ? See the icon button that says GRAVELY - we keep you cutting ? Try clicking it once and see what happens ! Ariens/Gravely has paid good yankee dollars to be a main sponsor of Lawn Site and they would be sooo disapointed to find out that you guys didn't know that all this info is right here and not being accessed by you.

The 34Z and the 44Z machines are new for 2004. They really are a reworking of the Gravely hydro pro walk mower. The mower decks are superb. Among the very best made today by any company. The hydro system is the same components as is used in their pro walk mowers and the controls are exceptionally smooth and easy to work with.

As Mowingman says above, the biggest difference for the 34 and 44Z is that the frame is narrower so that the tires are not wider than the mower deck, and they used a smaller diameter tire, closer to the size tire that is used on Walker mowers. For these two reasons, they will not opperate as well going across a steep bank as a machine with bigger or wider set wheels, but they do well enough that you will not find this to be a really serious limitation. They can get in and out of tight areas and through gates and spaces that larger machines can't do as well or at all, so everything is really a trade off.

The Dealer from Maryland that made the negative comments about these machines is completely WRONG !

Pro Street Camaro, you ought to E mail Gravely about this dealer and let them know what he told you. In effect he is really saying that the Gravely hydro pro walk mower is junk also since they are essentially the same components - and that is a complete lie !!!!