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stinky rodent
06-26-2004, 08:42 PM
i saw a lco slap one of his guys in the ear for not doing good work - shattered the guys ear drum, but he didnt run his mouth again and worked hard for the remainder of the year. do any of you use any fear to motivate your guys?

"fear is a great motivator"

"ear slaps are even better motivators"


stinky:cool:

RedWingsDet
06-26-2004, 08:47 PM
i just yell yell and yell, oh yeah, i yell!

but when they do good work i complement them!

1MajorTom
06-26-2004, 08:48 PM
That's sick man. No one should be slapping employees around. There's laws to protect against that.
It's bad enough I work with Matt, but if he ever slapped me in the ear or anywhere, he would be getting a swift kick out of the house. :laugh:

bobbygedd
06-26-2004, 08:51 PM
that is very very bad

odin
06-26-2004, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by 1MajorTom
That's sick man. No one should be slapping employees around. There's laws to protect against that.
It's bad enough I work with Matt, but if he ever slapped me in the ear or anywhere, he would be getting a swift kick out of the house. :laugh:


lol you sure that kick really would be somewhere else ....like south of the border mid way down his pants lol lol i can see it now lol .................<a href='http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008' target='_blank'><img src='http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_102.gif' border=0></a>

Tonyr
06-26-2004, 09:01 PM
His turn will come....one day he will hit the wrong employee and will get the cra.p kicked outa him! What goes around comes around in the world of violence and intimidation.

If I worked for someone and they raised their hand at me they would be in hospital before they knew what happened, people that intimidate are weak scum to me. Overgrown bullies.

odin
06-26-2004, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by stinky rodent
?

"fear is a great motivator"

"ear slaps are even better motivators"


stinky:cool:


Well it aint cool in the least bit .......two 20 inch friends of mine would motivate that sucker ...and it would be more then a ear slap......that great motivator of a employer would be the motivatee .

Pecker
06-26-2004, 09:35 PM
Hard to believe the employee was around long enough to do good work after that. I wouldn't be, especially for causing permenant damage. Should he be punished for that?

locutus
06-26-2004, 09:40 PM
If you dont make fear your best friend, it will soon become your worst enemy.

fga
06-26-2004, 09:59 PM
if i had an employer who slapped me, i'd take it out on his equipment:angry: "..........oh, that's a 2 stroke. I couldn't "hear" you too good." "how'd the cultivator wind up under the tire, damn flat tire...."

youngdude
06-26-2004, 10:02 PM
I really dont think that this guy is telling the truth. Shattering someones ear drum and the guy stilll sticks around the rest of the year is really hard to belive. But who knows.

muddstopper
06-26-2004, 10:06 PM
We had a backhoe operator that kept yelling at the laborer. Always cussing and calling them names. One day one of the guys got tired of it. He had a pick and he just bumped the pick part off the handle and started swinging like Babe Ruth. The loud mouth backhoe operator spent several days in the hospital and when he got out he had his jaws wired shut. Its called an attitude adjustment. If the guy slaped me I think I would have to adjust his attitude, hard to defend against a guy with a pick handle.

The mayor
06-26-2004, 10:11 PM
When I was working at a machine shop we had a boss that was a a@@. They found him in a 55 gal drum in a compactor.Nice and flat.The guy that did it got caught. Too bad.

NNJLandman
06-26-2004, 10:42 PM
When doing my own jobs, I don't really ever have to yell at my guys, I jus say hey comon, ya missed a spot, but I always compliment them, I usually jus get all mad, but never had to yell and an employee yet. Even when I work for the lawn service company I work for, we don't get yelled at unless its something like messing up his brand new grasshopper or smashing the door on his new mason dump or not putting oil in the machines or a list of other things(none of the above have I done...yet)most of the time he jus never lets us live it down heh, its all good.

Jeff

Aaron Marshall
06-26-2004, 11:04 PM
From what I know, fear is a negative motivator. Find guys that you can trust to work for you; guys that you don't have to yell at. If you have people that keep messing up, don't yell, just find someone different. Reward good workers with compliments and good pay, that will solve the problem right there, no need to resort to violence.

Tonyr
06-26-2004, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by Aaron Marshall
From what I know, fear is a negative motivator. Find guys that you can trust to work for you; guys that you don't have to yell at. If you have people that keep messing up, don't yell, just find someone different. Reward good workers with compliments and good pay, that will solve the problem right there, no need to resort to violence.



Exactly Right Aaron! Well said!

txlawnking
06-27-2004, 12:15 AM
Deffinately, if I had an employee that made me that mad I'd just take him home. No way would I hit an employee. Heck, I wouldn't even raise my voice at em', If they don't want to work, there's plenty who do.

geogunn
06-27-2004, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by stinky rodent
i saw a lco slap one of his guys in the ear for not doing good work - shattered the guys ear drum, but he didnt run his mouth again

was the employees name CHICO?

GEO :(

Burger
06-27-2004, 01:47 AM
I would never hit an employee, that is just wrong. a customer, maybe, but an employee? never. You have got to draw the line and stand by it!
:angel:

walker-talker
06-27-2004, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by geogunn
was the employees name CHICO?

GEO :( Oh no....don't tell it was BG....lol. At my full-time job I have yelled at people...but on rare occasions....and I feel it was deserved. I have even came close to calling them names that was not so PC, but I would never, ever hit someone. This is hard for me to swallow, but I bet they were hispanic. Most Americans know their rights and know that they don't have to put up with that.

precisioncut
06-27-2004, 03:11 AM
That is just F***ed up! No one should be hitting anyone, I don't give a F... if he is the boss. That pissed me off just reading it, because I could see it happening. I don't know how I would react but I'm sure I would end up in trouble.

Envy Lawn Service
06-27-2004, 03:57 AM
While I do not denounce violence, hand to hand, man to man, as the best way to settle certain confrontations.... on the job is no place for this behavior as an employer if there is any possible way physical confrontation can be avoided. I'm not saying that speaking your mind is wrong either. But yelling, screaming and belittling employees is wrong too if it can possibly be held in.

Personal experiences and heat of the moment situations aside, no one should be screaming at or hitting their employees. If you have an employee that's lazy, not a self starter, always screwing up, or never seems to care and positive motivation does not get them headed in the right direction, you should just let them go before one of you eventually gets fed up enough to loose your cool.

snippy
06-27-2004, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by youngdude
I really dont think that this guy is telling the truth. Shattering someones ear drum and the guy stilll sticks around the rest of the year is really hard to belive. But who knows.


I think the name of the Company in question was Uday and Qusays Lawncare so I guess the story could be true :D

barringtonbrothers
06-27-2004, 12:44 PM
Man would I reap in the rewards when I sued his ass, screw cutting grass. No one lays a finger on me, I have no patience for bullies. In dealing with them I have found they are cowards and will back down when confronted. The only time I get upset with my brother is when he slacks off, or doesnt do a job as good as I know he can. He is 15 years old and very good worker, and I would be hard pressed to find someone as intelligent and reliable as him no matter how much older they are. When he tries his best I tell him he did a very good job, but when he screws around get on his ass and point out what he is doing wrong, and the fact he knows better. It only takes one dumb mistake to lose a good account. Since Im 24 and he is 15, I am really concious of our immage and the work we do. But I would never, ever hit my brother for doing a bad job, or slacking off, when my attitude and use of words can be so much more motivating. I just expect him to try his best, no more no less, and 99.99% of the time he does.

Steve9
06-27-2004, 01:17 PM
Never raise your hand to an employee. It leaves your groin exposed!

barringtonbrothers
06-27-2004, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Steve9
Never raise your hand to an employee. It leaves your groin exposed!


Heres your nuts boss, oh you wanted planters? my mistake

brucec32
06-27-2004, 04:42 PM
In AOL chat rooms I think they call this kind of member a "snert". Someone who assumes a false identity and proceeds to stir things up by making outrageous or fictional statements, just to get a stir out of people.

Lawnsite has become chock full of them. I know of at least three frequent posters now who do little but shoot out outrageous yarns just to see what kind of reaction they get.

I'm amused at how often we take the bait.

scott in the soo
06-27-2004, 04:59 PM
premier,, how do you think yelling at an employee motivates them????

P&J Lawncare
06-27-2004, 06:25 PM
The story is only half true, the employee was my cousin and I smacked him but the reason for the smack wasn't because of bad work it was because he told me to go f*** myself and he had a trimmer in his hands and he was acting like he wanted to hit me with it. The reason I hired him was because my aunt wanted me to see if I could straighten him out (he had just did 2 years in prison for B&E) needless to say he is no longer with me and there is nothing anyone can do to straighten him out he is beyond help. I don't care who thinks it is right or wrong, if anyone threatens me I will strike first regardless of it is right or wrong. For all you guys who think that I need re-educated I am enclosing a picture of me (I am the guy on the far left) so that you know who I am in the future.

Dwan
06-27-2004, 10:31 PM
If I hit my employee I'd be sleeping alone. no way would I like that.

Randy Scott
06-27-2004, 10:44 PM
I've been pretty upset at times, but it has never even entered my mind to strike someone. You've got real problems if that's how you conduct business with employees. Real mental issues. Maybe customers should slap business owners when something isn't done right. That's our society though, violence before common sense. Pretty pathetic.

Prot1
06-27-2004, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by P&J Lawncare
The story is only half true, the employee was my cousin and I smacked him but the reason for the smack wasn't because of bad work it was because he told me to go f*** myself and he had a trimmer in his hands and he was acting like he wanted to hit me with it. The reason I hired him was because my aunt wanted me to see if I could straighten him out (he had just did 2 years in prison for B&E) needless to say he is no longer with me and there is nothing anyone can do to straighten him out he is beyond help. I don't care who thinks it is right or wrong, if anyone threatens me I will strike first regardless of it is right or wrong. For all you guys who think that I need re-educated I am enclosing a picture of me (I am the guy on the far left) so that you know who I am in the future.

Well this is just my opinion but thats still a bunch of crap. Cousin or not he is still an EMPLOYEE while working and you shouldnt do that. Think of the image you portray to your other employees and or customers. There is no excuse for violence in that type of situation. Now if he had hit you with the weedeater first that would be a different story. Thats like saying. "I beat my dog because he looked like he was going to **** on the floor first."

Steve9
06-27-2004, 10:55 PM
No its not. Its like saying he hit his dog because it was growling baring his teeth and jumped at him.

Prot1
06-27-2004, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Steve9
No its not. Its like saying he hit his dog because it was growling baring his teeth and jumped at him.

Notice you said "and jumped at him". At what point did his cousin actually make a move. Im pretty sure i read he looked like he was going to.

Tonyr
06-27-2004, 11:31 PM
I'm lost as to why anyone would even admit here they hit their employee, what did they want us to say?

Cool biker pic, are you saying cause you are a biker no one will say anything against you for hitting your cousin?
Maybe I read that wrong, sorry if I did...

Anyway...what is keeping this thread going anyway?

It doesn't matter when, how or even why, assualt is assualt and those who like the game of physical intimidation usually get it given back, no one is the best fighter, no one is the toughest, and no one is above the law, striking anyone is against the law, you hit first end of story, what he may of done is besides the point if you didn't hit first, we will never know.

Still don't know what you wanted from this thread, tell us you hit someone then show a biker pic....


if someone hit me at work they wouldn't be able to go skiting about it here that's for sure, they would be in plaster, fact!

P&J Lawncare
06-27-2004, 11:49 PM
I ain't going to defend my actions to everyone who comments but Randy you have no clue how I run my business or my employees because if you did you wouldn't even consider the comments you made. My average employee has been with me for 6 years and their average pay is $12.00 per hour, I buy there lunch every day and I take care of them even during the off season. As for my business I have 6 employees (2 crews) and I do over $400,000 per year, I have over $200,000 in equipment and trucks and my business grows every year so don't worry about how mental I am. Just so every one knows in the future when someone is holding a weapon (weedeater) and screaming f*** you it is a threat so you had better run or fight because the fight is coming your way if you like it or not, Prot1 let me ask you this which option would you choose (option 1 let him split your head open with a trimmer or option 2 smack him in the face before he splits your head open with a trimmer). I really don't care what option you would pick but in my world option 2 is the only option. Randy just so we are straight on this what would you do if I was standing in front of you with a trimmer screaming f*** you, would you reason with me or how about would you try to talk some common sense into me. I am real interested in knowing a better result then what I had. The end result was he didn't hit me with the trimmer and he calmed way down after the smack which resulted in neither of us getting hurt bad because if he would of hit me with that trimmer he would of gotten the tar kicked out of him.

P&J Lawncare
06-28-2004, 12:10 AM
Tonyr
You have no clue what you are talking about, the person who throws the first punch isn't always wrong. If someone has a weapon and they are threatening you, you have every right to defend yourself. What if someone is coming at you with a hammer raised up and screaming curse words at you, are you supposed to wait for him to hit you before you retaliate. If you feel that you are being physically threatened then you can and should defend yourself. The biker picture isn't put up to prove anything to you, I put it there because that is who I am and that is how I carry myself, I don't start trouble anymore (I stopped causing trouble after my oldest was born 8 years ago) but if you come at me I will defend myself no matter who thinks it is right or wrong, don't forget this all happened in about 2 seconds so it is easy to think that you could of found a simplier solution but in that split second you react or you are toast.

Tonyr
06-28-2004, 12:47 AM
I understand, and yes it is easy for me to sit here and judge cause I wasn't there, you are right, someone is coming at you, a split second decision has to be made. Obviously I was wrong cause I didn't absorb the bit about him going to attack you, sorry.

Holding a trimmer and yelling crap is not atacking, it is anger, this may of been difused different, I dunno, I wasn't there, none of us were, but you posted the thread, only natural we will all put in our 2 cents.

You can get pissed at us fine, but you started the thread about hitting an employee, swing it around, if I posted it you would be into me....internet entertainment as they say lol.

The whole defense thing...I do understand what you are saying, the law im MY country will back the attacker if you win, he becomes a victim of his doing, but I will be the bad ass.

Over here you would be up for assualt, doesn't matter what he said or what you 'thought' was going to happen.

But in the real world anyone wanting to harm me of course I will do what I can to prevent it...instincts.

A point I will touch on again is, you can't hit people mate, it IS illegal, in your case you hit cause he was holding a trimmer going off his brain. A lot of us in the heat of the moment may of done the same thing, can't say....we weren't there.

If it all worked out in the end then I guess it is between you and the guy and just put it past yas, shi,t happens.

I understand your point, think time isn't long in 'situations', I've done a lot of time in the fight game and nightclub bouncing when I was young, martial arts, kick boxing etc, maybe I would of done the same thing I shamefully admit.

I won't hack into you any more about this, because we weren't there, 2, you sound like you are a good business man and kind to employess not a thug who bashes them cause you can which is how your 1st post sounded to me. Still, not sure why you started the thread....

Lastly, I said before....we all know who have danced around this fire that eventually some smart ass comes up and lets us know we ain't what we were, you came out on top here, next time another guy might put you in hospital or worse, a lot of psycos out there who can really fight.

Trevors Lawn Care
06-28-2004, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by P&J Lawncare
Tonyr
You have no clue what you are talking about, the person who throws the first punch isn't always wrong. If someone has a weapon and they are threatening you, you have every right to defend yourself. What if someone is coming at you with a hammer raised up and screaming curse words at you, are you supposed to wait for him to hit you before you retaliate. If you feel that you are being physically threatened then you can and should defend yourself. The biker picture isn't put up to prove anything to you, I put it there because that is who I am and that is how I carry myself, I don't start trouble anymore (I stopped causing trouble after my oldest was born 8 years ago) but if you come at me I will defend myself no matter who thinks it is right or wrong, don't forget this all happened in about 2 seconds so it is easy to think that you could of found a simplier solution but in that split second you react or you are toast.

i agree with your actions completly. Now...On a side note...It doesnt become self defense until the "offenser" makes the first "hostile move".. trust me on this. A family member encountered a lawsuit from a burglar, but ended up winning. In a court of law...It is not self defense until you are physically attacked.REGARDLESS of the situation...I KNOW ITS BS.

I have hit an employee. at the time he wasnt working for me, and i was at about 15 beers and he at 12. Well him being about 50 pounds heavier I "decided" it would be best if i struck first. I did, i went through a door. The next morning though he had the nice dot around his eye and i had a small cut inside my mouth.

YOU JUST BEAT HIM TO THE FIRST BLOW! I agree with you.

trevor

P&J Lawncare
06-28-2004, 02:10 AM
Tonyr
not to beat a dead horse but I didn't start this thread stinky rodent did, I didn't say anything until the third page of this topic. To me this issue was over with (it happened 3 years ago) but stinky rodent brought it up so I wanted to set the record straight. As for my association with stinky rodent, we used to be partners on one big account (the account that this all happened on) but I ended up buying him out for pennies on the dollar :D :D :D because the work was cutting into his nap time :D :D :D

Tonyr
06-28-2004, 02:17 AM
Sorry, didn't know that, having a blond day it seems! LOL!

I thought you and stinky were both the same person which is why it sounded so sour to me, post under one name and continue under another, sorry for the inaccurate assumption.

Seen it happen before.

I want outa this, burying myself deeper in poo every post!

OK, We all know the dumb aussie got it all wrong again, all I can say is sorry, you have cleared everything up, set me straight, I'll go find that rock to crawl back under now LOL!

Good luck with everything.

MikeLT1Z28
06-28-2004, 02:21 AM
i was going to say it's called assault, but sounds more like self defense now that the whole story has been told.

RedWingsDet
06-28-2004, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by scott in the soo
premier,, how do you think yelling at an employee motivates them????


it doesnt, but i just get pissed and yell. i know it probably makes em not want to work even more. but they find it funny when i yell, so hey, i could careless as long as they do the job and do it right!

Davis Lawn Mowing, LLC
06-28-2004, 08:21 AM
If a boss slapped me, I would go postal on his ass. I would hope he carries decent health insurance because he would need it. Forget the job, you slap me or punch me or kick me or whatever, you better have the balls and guts to take it. You wanna be a man and toss your fists around, you better be man enough to take the shitstorm that will follow. If you desire an ass kicking, go ahead, but it would be the last thing you do that day at least.

GeeVee
06-28-2004, 08:36 AM
That looks like some prime scooter ridin area you have there.........

Rubber side down, dude.

You have helmet laws in Ohio?

Come on down for biketoberfest........Stay tuned for annoucements, probably titled "Biketoberfest"

P&J Lawncare
06-28-2004, 09:06 AM
No helmet law in ohio, the picture is actually from my annual trip to sturgis.

LHlandscaping
06-28-2004, 09:43 AM
I know if I saw a company use those tactics to motivate employees I would refrain from using them ASAP. That is plain B.S. THe boss most likely lets his wife beat him at night and tries to reclaim his manhood on his weaker employees. He won't have a business much longer so maybe you can pick up his accounts from him soon.

Expert Lawns
06-28-2004, 10:02 AM
if he's coming at you with a trimmer and you smack him in the face, wouldn't that make your arms like 5 ft long?

stinky rodent
07-01-2004, 10:05 PM
I see no place for eardrum slapping on the job

RedWingsDet
07-01-2004, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Expert Lawns
if he's coming at you with a trimmer and you smack him in the face, wouldn't that make your arms like 5 ft long?



HAHA lol. your a funny one. ive seen a few people who had long monkey arms like that before though. lol

Doster's L & L
07-02-2004, 12:30 AM
Interesting thread.... P and J, i have to take your side on this story. In that split second there has to be a reaction. you have to decide wether its your hide or his. Yeah, you cant reason with someone that has spent time in the pen.

What is the logic in Ohio with the "no helmet" law? I personally think it's INSANE to ride a bike without a helmet. You wreck going only 40mph and pop your head on the pavement.... there's no going back. I guess the officials dont want their citizen riders to suffer when they wreck....cause they WILL wreck. I suppose they'd rather you die than to have to deal with a doctors bill and the recovery time with road rash. There are 2 kinds of riders: those that HAVE wrecked and those that are GONNA wreck. lol I dont mean to bust your chops P & J, i'm just trying to figure out their reasoning for not having a helmet law. (I saw the same thing in Indiana a few weekends ago too and wondered this.)