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dannylj
07-09-2004, 03:13 PM
I'm new hear guys, so please bear with me. I've been in business 2 years after 35 years with Bellsouth. I have about 35 yards and have been doing them with a Husqvarna cz4817 (consumer ztr). It's time I bought a real commercial mower. Because of the proximity of the 2 dealers and the support I will get I am considering a Cub Cadet Tank 48" or a Toro Z master 44". Both have Kohler engines I believe 18hp on the Cub and 20hp on the Toro. I could use some advice as to pros and cons. Thanks for your help. Danny

Steve1
07-09-2004, 03:32 PM
Danny, the Toro is a much heavier built unit with a far superior deck (Turbo Force) in my view. I demo'd both units (but in slightly bigger models) and while the Tank is a good unit, I felt that the Toro cut better and had a better design/build all the way around.

If possible, I would suggest that you demo both and see which one you like best. You might also consider a few other brands such as the exMark, John Deere, Hustler and Scag. They all have comparable models in the size you are looking at and I think you'll be glad you researched some other models if you have any dealers that are reasonably close to you.

Demo, demo, demo before you buy - you might be surprised what you find that you like. And of course, the closeness of the dealer is very important as well as his ability to service you and back you up in the event you have problems.

Sounds like you're on the right track.

dannylj
07-09-2004, 10:38 PM
Steve, thanks for the reply. I think I will demo some of the other units. The Exmark dealer I would deal with is 30 miles away and the Toro and Cub dealers are 2 miles. I have dealt regularly with both these guys and they are great. I guess my problem is I really like a 48" machine (the Cub + 3 years no interest and better warranty) but I am a little bothered by the fact they are owned by MTD. The Toro looks good but is a 44". In the commercial units they all look well built and you can get the same motors in all. I don't know if it matters but the Toro is a 20 hp possibly single cylinder and the Cub is an 18hp twin cylinder. Decisions - decisions. Danny

madmusic
07-09-2004, 11:20 PM
The 44" deck on the toro is not a turbo force deck.I just bought a z500 20/52" z master yesterday.It has the turbo force deck with an adjustable baffle,and this thing is a well built machine.I looked at so many mowers and narrowed it down to three and then weighed dealer support among a few other things.The cut on this thing is great and the spindles VERY well built.Around here you see more toros mowing than any other mower;not saying theres not better mowers but so far i go with what the majority uses.

club54
07-10-2004, 01:08 AM
I have a club 54inch tank 23 on the back like it verry well cuts great good service they have talked me through a problem over the phone

samk
07-10-2004, 07:42 PM
Danny why does it bother you that mtd owns them. The tank is a rock solid machine whith a great warranty. You will get more machine for the money with the cub as well. As for toro I love mine though not a ztr.

dannylj
07-11-2004, 10:15 AM
I suppose the fact MTD owns Cub should not matter. I have tried both the Cub and Toro and they are both well built machines, as are most of the commercial brands. I keep going back to the 3 year no interest and warranty on the Cub plus it's 48". Appreciate the comments folks. Danny

Powell_Landscape
07-30-2004, 02:31 AM
If you are going with the Cub I wouldn't suggest the M48S, that is the one with the kawasaki and the stamped deck. Although I dont own one I work at a Cub Dealer and for some reason..I think to much preload on the bearings...the center spidle goes out on the stamped decks. I own an M48 fab deck and 20HP Honda and I love it, very durable, cuts great, in case anybody was wondering MTD bought out Lesco and they are now marketed under the Cub Cadet Commercial Label.

Envy Lawn Service
07-30-2004, 02:45 AM
By all means DEMO BOTH before deciding for yourself...

In that class I'd lean towards the Cub with the fabricated deck also....

If I were compairing the Toro Z500 series 52" or 60" with the 54" or 60" Cub it would require a lot more thought.

wriken
07-30-2004, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by dannylj
I guess my problem is I really like a 48" machine (the Cub + 3 years no interest and better warranty) but I am a little bothered by the fact they are owned by MTD. The Toro looks good but is a 44". In the commercial units they all look well built and you can get the same motors in all. . Danny

I make my living, with the MTD products. I even use MTD/cub, trimmers, blowers, and edgers. There good mower's, just like the other ones you have talked about. Buy what you like, and works for you.

NickN
07-30-2004, 07:56 AM
No trim overhang on the Toro 44" deck.The deck trim side is inline with the rear tires,which makes trimming around obstacles a bear.(I own one)
Other than that,it's a great mower.Mulches great too.

dcondon
07-30-2004, 05:43 PM
I run the 72" TANK for Wriken, No problems with it and going on 3 years old. I treat it like it's my own:D

Tonyr
07-30-2004, 09:42 PM
IF you are looking at Toro's, make sure you demo the TURBO FORCE deck, and make sure the dealer shows you properly how to set the adjustable baffle as it makes tons of difference.

The model Madmusic bought is the smallest with a turbo force deck.

I have a Toro ZTR, and they are very well designed and built.

CapnDean
07-30-2004, 10:15 PM
Danny:

I did the same research as you and bought the CUB Tank 48" Fab deck. Same reason as you...3 year warranty, 3 year 0% financing.

I paid $5400 for mine (if that helps). That did not include tax but did include the mulching kit that Cub sells for about $200.

I feel like I got my moneys worth. I am a residential user and not in the biz so the 19 horse 2 cylinder Kawasaki will likely outlive me.

I looked seriously at the Hustler Z (20 hp Honda), The Yazoo Kees, the Bad Boy, and the Exmark along with a multitude of consumer units like you have.

IF I were to have purchased a consumer unit, it would have been the hustler mini Z because it had a fabricated deck and the deck is traditionally the weak link in a consumer unit.

At every turn I kept coming back to the tank for 2 reasons.....it's initial purchase price seemed less than the other commercial units and the 0% financing.

In parting I must say that it probably would not ever make a bit of difference to me in my circumstance..... since I only cut two lawns each less than 1.5 acres.... I will likely never see the maintenance problems or pitfalls of ANY commercial unit regardless of who made it. In 20 years, mine won't see the hours that most professionals put on one in a year.

kev51277
07-11-2012, 06:06 PM
I had a cub enforcer with a fabed deck and that thing was a pile of crap had to replace the belts every 10 hrs.. now I have two z masters one 05 48 and one 2011 z500 and love them both

CapnDean
07-11-2012, 06:28 PM
this original post from 2004 - - Here it is 2012 : I just bought another Cub Tank.

This time I got the 60" cut M60. My old M48 is still in the garage and here is what I have had to do to it since 04.

one idler pulley, one drive belt; 2 or maybe 3 batteries.

The rest: Oil changes etc.... nothing else awry on my M48. It has a whopping 400 or so hours on it.

I did change the deck belt once for kicks as I thought it was time, but it is hard to tell the new one from the old one now.

I think (and I may be wrong) that there is a Gulf of difference between the M series and the enforcer. I note that today Cub (MTD?) makes an L60 with a fab deck.... Oddly enough the L60 sells for $6999 and the M60 sells for about $8600 or so..... you would think that they are the same machine. But for some reason they arent.

kev51277
07-11-2012, 07:29 PM
I think the enforcer was just before the tank the dealer told me the m48 was the same thing as the enforcer 48 as far as deck and hydros
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