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D Felix
07-28-2004, 05:22 PM
Anyone know of a chart that compares different makes of equipment?

For example, how do the current Bobcat's compare to John Deere's, or the current Case's compare to New Hollands?

Mainly I'm looking for comparisons of wieght, horsepower, lift capacity and hieght for skidsteers; and wieght, dig depth, dig reach, capacity and horsepower for excavators. Just manufacturer specs. Even groupings like the Bobcat S180 is comparable to a JD 250, NH LS170, Case XT?? would be helpful. Those may not be right, which is partially why I'm asking..........

The reason for asking is different rental yards carry different brands, and without having run certain brands before it can be hard to know about how big the machine will be.

I don't know if such a thing exists, but it could be a BIG timesaver if it does! Thanks!


Dan

Scag48
07-28-2004, 08:14 PM
Equipment World magazine sometimes compiles equipment specs in a handy guide. I remember there being one not too long ago, but time mends together these days. LOL.

Tigerotor77W
07-28-2004, 11:00 PM
construction equipment magazine (www.constructionequipment.com) also does the same thing.

Also -- please do make sure you are comparing apples to apples... not a John Deere 332 to a Cat 242, for example.

www.deere.com also has a serious comparison service; however, they have just overhauled their line of SSL and so as of yet the comparison isn't up yet.

I'll post some specs in the next post below.

Tigerotor77W
07-28-2004, 11:13 PM
First of all -- there is no Bobcat S180. There is a Bobcat S160 and a Bobcat S175 and S185 and T180, but no S180 (whew!)

Many manufacturers now (exceptions Cat, Case, NH) use ROC as part of their model numbers.

Here's a BASIC comparison.

In the 1300 pound class:

Cat 216B=BobcatS130=NH Ls150
(Deere and Case do not have a product offering in this capacity.)
Lift height across the line is roughly 109 inches; wheelbase is about 35 inches.

1500:

Cat 226B=Cat228B (high flow of 226B)=Bobcat S150=BobcatS160 (160 is turbo and lifts 1600 lbs)=Case 60XT=NH Ls160

Lift height varies much more here; the Cat and Bobcat lift 114 (about); the Case maybe 116, the NH maybe 115. Cab height is all about the same probably about 74-77 inches.

1750:

Cat 236B=Cat 242B (I believe? 242 is vertical lift)=BobcatS175=Bobcat S185 (185 is turbo and lifts 1850 lbs)=Case 70XT=NH Ls170=Deere 317

Lift height is roughly 118 inches here. Case may lift a little higher. About 42-43 inch wheelbases.

2000-2200

Cat 246B/248B=Cat 252B (vert. lift) =BobcatS220=Case70XT=Case
75XT=NH Ls180=Deere 320

Note -- the NH is rated by the SAE to be at 2555 ROC.

Lift height really varies here -- Cat has about 121 where NH has 125. Wheelbase varies from 40.6 on Bobcat to 48 on NH.

2500 (popular market)

Cat 262B=Cat 268B(high flow)=Bobcat S250 = Deere 325 = NH Ls180=Case 85XT = Case 90XT (vertical lift)

Lift height all about 125 inches; wheelbase on all about 48 inches,

2800-3000-3200

Bobcat S300=Deere 332 = NH Ls190 = Case 95XT

Lift height again at about 125 inches... Deere probably about 128. Wheelbase on Case and NH is 51 inches; Bobcat and Deere likely to be 48 inches (Deere specs unreleased.)

This is extremely skimpy. I'll try to post more if you want it.

D Felix
07-30-2004, 08:53 AM
Sorry about the "S180", I'm still not completely used to the new number designations.:rolleyes:

That helps, but how and where do other makes fit in, i.e., Gehl, Mustang, Takekuchi, etc, etc.?

And what about excavators? I just need info on the mini's, up to around a Bobcat 337 size....

Thanks!!!


Dan

Tigerotor77W
07-30-2004, 03:56 PM
I'm not as familiar with Gehl's smaller models... I do know that their ROC system is somewhat off (eg their machines aren't the straigh 1300/1500/1750/2500 or "clean" numbers... sometimes they'll have a "xx60" pounds machine.)

The 6640 is rated around 2400 lbs. 5640 is about 2000. 4640 is about 1670, I believe. Lift height is good on them, but rear visibility to the corners is horrible. The frame towers are massive and even looking out the sides AND over the hood still yeilds blind spots.

Mustang -- lol not too familiar with their smaller machines, either. 2074 is their largest radial machine; 2064, 2054, and 2044 are under it. They are built really well -- as are Gehls (Gehl is the parent company of Mustang) and should last a long, long time. LIft height is not at the best of each size class but does not lack, either. Mustang is the ONLY skid steer company to offer radial-lift machines with in-cab boom locks.

Both Gehl and Mustang the largest SSLs on the market -- Mustang's 2099/2109 and Gehls 7610 and 7810. (They are identical machines for the most part.) Large and fast and powerful; highest lift height in industry (nearly 12 feet), fastest travel speeds (13 mph), and high axle torque and breakout force. They're big machines tho -- not a very big market and surely not meant for tight-quarters work.

Takeuchi does not make wheeled skid steers. They make Gehl's and Mustang's tracked machines as well as their own. Three models -- um, TL130, 140, and 150. (I think that's right.) All radial lift machines. No suspended undercarriage as with Cat/ASV. Great lift heights, two speed travel, high breakout force, and amazing push power.

Excavators -- hmm, I can't provide nearly a good enough summary here as there are simply too many of them for me. But keep this in mind -- Derre=Hitachi, New Holland=Scaeff, Case=Kobelco. That should help you narrow down who's who.

ksss
08-13-2004, 01:53 AM
Here is some late breaking news. New Holland is no longer marketing Schaeff excavators and will be selling branded Kobelco mini excavators (in keeping business within CNH). Gehl will no longer be marketing Takeuchi tracked skid steers and will be building their own. It is to be released at CONEXPO. I have been sworn to secrecy but look for "significant" product releases from CASE also to be released at CONEXPO.

Tigerotor77W
08-16-2004, 03:00 PM
Thanks, ksss. My dealer is also being pretty tight-lipped. Probably because I've talked to him a total of two whopping times. :p

Tigerotor77W
08-16-2004, 03:10 PM
And speaking of Schaeff -- I'm wayyyy confused about them. Terex owns Schaeff, but IR also sells Schaeff excavators (case in point the Bobcat 442), and also markets the the Schaeff wheel loaders. So where does Terex fit in?

ksss
08-19-2004, 12:32 AM
Terex also markets the smaller Schaeff excavators. They are the parent company of Schaeff and sell their machines to anyone that wants to paint their colors on them. Schaeff is a player world wide in compact equipment. Bobcat sells the large 442 because (I believe) the 16K and over size machines are a smaller market. Big enough that Bobcat wants to be there but first would like to test the market rather than risk the R&D to build a machine. Speaking with the local Bobcat dealer they dont sell well company wide. I priced one (and knew why) and actually ran one prior to buying a Takeuchi. The price $83,000 with thumb QC and three buckets. I about fell over. I priced the same machine only it said Terex on the side instead of Bobcat 15K less. It was still too much for the machine. I would expect to see Bobcat build their own.

Tigerotor77W
08-19-2004, 10:13 AM
Interesting comments. I was thinking quite a bit about the Deere-Hitachi-Liebherr marketing agreements and I found it odd that Deere has Liebherr's compact loaders, track loaders, and largest dozers, but markets its own large loaders. On the other hand, its excavators are Hitachis but rebranded and with a different engine. You'd think that with such success Deere would do what it did with its skid steer line -- make it its own.

As for Bobcat building its own, who knows. I assume they have plenty of new product ideas up their sleeves, but I don't know how long it will be before the 442 is replaced into one of their own products. It will be interesting, however.