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ETturfman
01-01-2001, 11:10 PM
Have any of you ever had tendonitis? If so what exactly does it feel like? My elbow, forearms, and wrists are in a lot of pain, especially when I lift something. I've only been in the business since April, so I've been doing it all myself. The steering handles on my Honda walk behind and my ECHO weedeater seem to give me the most trouble. I used the Search option and nothing turned up but Carpal Tunnell syndrome and I don't think my symptoms match that. I think it's tendonitis but I'm not sure. Has anyone had similiar experiences? If it is tendonitis, is there a cure? I sure would appreciate any responses.

Thanks,
ETturfman

awm
01-02-2001, 12:33 AM
If you are slow now i would suggested light exersize
now to strenthen those areas.Stretching the affected
area is probably mostimportant.Also i take
anti inflamatory med and a pain pill called ultrum.
It works well for me but doesnt affect the bodies
own pain endorfins as most other meds do.
GOOD LUCK TM

Barkleymut
01-02-2001, 12:53 AM
This sounds like a question for a doctor. Self medication is one of the leading reasons for emergency room visits. Just ask some of the paramedics on this site. Also misdiagnosis by an non doctor will do you no good.

Lance720
01-02-2001, 02:38 AM
I had what my doctor called tennis elbow this november. The only thing he could tell me was that it was from regular repetative activity and for the meantime take anti-imflamatories and ice it. After I was able to function a little better I started to stretch it. I still don't know what brought mine on to this day. This is not a diagnosis and you should visit your doctor to see what is really up.
Good luck
Lance

Greenkeepers
01-02-2001, 08:42 AM
Go and see a doctor.. Better safe than sorry :)

TGCummings
01-02-2001, 10:14 AM
Don't rule anything in or out, my friend.

See a doctor. Get it right.

-TGC

Premo Services
01-02-2001, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by Greenkeepers
Go and see a doctor.. Better safe than sorry :)

I had severe tendonitis in my shoulder about 2 years ago. I was removing r&r ties and the last one was stuck in ground bad, I gave it a good pull and when it broke loose my arms went real far back and my chest and shoulders were hurting.After a couple days only my left shoulder was hurting,this was in september and I needed to finish season,so I did with the intense pain. Ithought it was a torn rotator cuff but in dec. I went to a specialist and after a mri and xrays he said I had severe tendonitis and he could give me a shot in the joint and it would help with the pain. A friend told me about a nero muscular massage theripist, he said that i shouldn`t take shots because it would dull pain and it could be hurt worse and I wouldn`t know it and to give him a crack at it, to come four visits and if it did not help there would not be a charge. After the 2nd visit I started to feel a lot less pain and by the 4th visit there was no pain and still no pain to this day.I go to him on a regular basis now and I cannot believe how much better I feel.:)


[Edited by mow money on 01-02-2001 at 10:25 AM]

geogunn
01-02-2001, 11:29 AM
ET--I am not a doctor but I am very much into self analysis of my own medical problems.

it doesn't seem to me that both arms should hurt the same from the same activity. I agree with the others that it is time to see the doctor. now is the time to do it so that you'll be ready for spring.

I have also been refered to a sports medicine doctor and the results were positive. but I'd stay away from the upper torso ice packs!

good luck.

GEO

ETturfman
01-02-2001, 11:53 AM
Thanks for the replies everyone. I am slow right now, other than cleaning up all of the branches and limbs from the ice storm we had. Which, of course, only makes it worse. I guess I need to schedule an appointment with the Doctor and see what's up. I guess I've been putting it off fearing the worst. But if some shots and stretching exercise's might help, that's not too bad. When I find out exactly what's wrong I'll post it along with the treatments that were prescribed to let everyone know

Thanks,

ETturfman

ericksonbrad@hotmail.com
01-04-2001, 09:53 PM
i'm 34 and had signs of carpal tunnel 2 years ago to the point that i couldnt spin the top off my shampoo bottle in the mornings after sleeping with my wrists all twisted up against my chest at night. all this was due to the pistol grips on belt drive walk behinds. i have since gone to t-bar toro hydro's and have virtually eliminated all symtoms.


p.s. i'm note sure about hydro pistol grips they may be eazier to operate i just never tried knowing i would probably end up going with t-bar toro's anyway.


last winter i started to develope tendonitus (tennis elbow) in my right elbow area and by spring even after my slow season it was so bad i couldnt move it without severe pain (making a fist, gripping, straightening it out or lifting). i went to the doctor and he explained that from repeated jerking on equipment and such that the muscles were torn away from the bone. he gave me a shot of cortizone (steroid to promote healing) to that area and told me very sternly that if i didnt wear a tight arm band just below the elbow every day to help keep those muscles from tearing further that i would be out of work by mid season. i know cortizone is contriversial but together with the arm band my right arm is in great shape now but my left is starting to act up. guess i will wait till spring and see but if not better you know what i'll be doing.


p.s. i think if the pain isnt to severe you could probably go with the arm band high on the fore arm(s) and notice increased comfort very quickly.



GOOD LUCK, I HOPE YOU CAN LEARN FROM MY PAIN AND SAVE YOURSELF SOME!!!!!!

KirbysLawn
01-04-2001, 10:16 PM
You say Honda walk behind, is this a 48" commercial with the pistol grips?

kutnkru
01-04-2001, 11:13 PM
I tend to agree with kirby that pistol grips are a major factor of fatigue ...

and I also belive a probable cause of carpal tunnel syndrome as well.

Kris

ETturfman
01-11-2001, 02:41 PM
ERICKSONBRAD -

Your symptons are exactly what mine are. Very sore forearms, elbows, and wrists. Especially on top of my right wrist. I think that is due to the fact that I curl my wrist and trigger finger down to the underside of the weedeater to activate the throttle. Which brings up a question. Does anybody make a weedeater with a side throttle? Right now I have an ECHO 2601 and it's done a great job except it's got to the point to where everytime I look at it my I start hurting. lol. Thanks for the input Ericksonbrad.

Kirby -

I have a 36" hydro commercial Honda walk behind and I guess they are what you would call pistol grips. You grab each handlebar and your fingers control the direction, speed etc. I'm not into too much terminology, I just got started this year. But I guess that's what they are. All I know is that by the end of the day my wrists and forearms are worn out and they hurt.


Jarrell

plymouthvaliant73
01-11-2001, 03:12 PM
Get a referral for a Paul St. John Seminars trained neuromuscular therapist by sending an email to info@stjohnseminars.com with the state(s)for which you wish to receive a list of Neuromuscular Therapists.

TJLC
01-11-2001, 03:21 PM
The problem I have is numbness in my fingers sometimes, mostly when I operate my w/b's and trimmer. If I rest for a few seconds, it goes away. When I start again so does the numbness. Sometimes I wake up in the morning with numbness. I've been to the doctor and he said it was probally a pinched nerve in my neck. He didn't seem too overly concerned about it. So far I've lived with it. It seems that as the day goes on my cirulation improves. The next day it starts over. It's not to the point of giving me real bad pain so far.
I have been to therapy and it seemed to help somewhat. Hey, lets face it, lawncare is hard work. No pain, no gain. LOL.

Fantasy Lawns
01-11-2001, 03:29 PM
the doc should help with the pain ..... for now ..... get rid of the pistol grip & belt drive ......if you want to be able to tie your shoes ..!!

Good Luck .....hope you get better !!

ericksonbrad@hotmail.com
01-11-2001, 03:36 PM
ETturfman

most w/b mowers are pistol grips including your honda. my guess is that it has more to do with the w/b mower grips than the weed whip. i think the weed whip is more of an aggravation to your developing condition than cause, because when i was having most of my problems it didn't matter what i was doing (including trimming)it caused me great pain. since i have rid my service of pistol grip mowers my symptoms gradually subsided and i still use the same weedwhips. sometimes now when i try to straighten my arm out after trimming for a long time (20-40 minutes) i have some pain but nothing even close to what it was, but never when done mowing. just for the record I AM NOT A DOCTOR but this is what my dr. told me carpal tunnel (wrist) is from repetitive motion not consistent positioning, tendonitis (upper forearm @ elbow)is from repetitive jerking on recoils and equipment which begins to pull muscles off of the bone. the band around the upper forearm is to keep the muscles more stationary when pulling and/or jerking on anything from a wrench to the tailgate on your trailer and everything in-between.


P.S. i forgot to mention that i have been taking glucosamine chondrotin (revitalizes cartilage) for about three years now and i wouldn't be without it. best price is at costco and is made by schiff. though i don't think it helps with carpel tunnel or tendonitis (not being joint related) it has done wonders for my overused ankles and knees. much recommended.

[Edited by ericksonbrad@hotmail.com on 01-11-2001 at 04:07 PM]

ericksonbrad@hotmail.com
01-11-2001, 04:04 PM
TJLC

sounds like you might have advancing carpal tunnel, i would get a new doc and lose the pistol grips. i was having electrical shocks occasionally when using my old mowers causing my hand to go dead for about 3 seconds (freaked me out) that is when i decided enough was enough. i'm not sure if this is what your deal is, but it is probably where your headed. also the pinched nerve may be in your wrist which would be reasonable since only while mowing the symptoms are present and then subside when you take a break. wouldn't it make sense that since your wrists are under stress when symptoms are there that it might be hmmmmmmmmm wrists?


NEWS FLASH.... just got off the phone with my wife who is a medical underwriter, i had her ask a nurse who she works with and she said "if it is your first two fingers that is from carpal tunnel and if it is the others than most likely in your neck". hope this helps cause working under stress sucks, and i don't think you should resign yourself to it so fast.

TJLC
01-11-2001, 09:09 PM
Thanks, ericksonbrad.

GroundKprs
01-12-2001, 10:29 AM
To learn a little about your hands & arms, go to http://www.sechrest.com/mmg/reflib/ctd.html and read all topics. Just 15-20 min here can help you understand how to work at our trade and avoid long term and short term stress problems.

For instance, referring to trigger finger: "Triggering is usually the result of a thickening in the tendon that forms a nodule. There may also be thickening of the pulley ligament as well. The constant irritation from tendon repeatedly sliding through the pulley causes the tendon to swell in this area and create the nodule. Rheumatoid arthritis, partial tendon lacerations, repeated trauma from pistol gripped power tools, or long hours grasping a steering wheel can cause triggering. Infection or damage to the synovium causes a rounded swelling (nodule) to form in the tendon." from: http://www.sechrest.com/mmg/reflib/ctd/trigger/trigger.html

ericksonbrad@hotmail.com
01-12-2001, 11:01 AM
GroundKprs

excellent linx thanx!!!

TJLC

let us know how you do with your conditions, it will be a real testimonial to the others out there who are putting up with it cause they think its just the way it is. also do look at the lix from GroundKprs it is excellent info and will give more insite.

dhicks
01-12-2001, 06:24 PM
I had tennis elbow for almost a year. Conventional doctors just prescribed Motrin, or Naprosyn and a few other anti-inflamtories. I was never cured until I visited a chiropractor. That dude had me in the pink in about three weeks. Please don't ignor this condition as it will stay with you for a long time. Also, you may have a more serious condition such as a pinched spinal nerve, or a herniated cervical disc. Go to a real doctor first before a chiropractor.

ETturfman
02-15-2001, 10:52 PM
Thanks for all the replies on this dismal subject. I went to the doctor last week and he prescribed me Naproxen and referred me to an outpatient physical therapy place. They wanted to perform a procedure where they put medicine over the area that hurts and then use an electrical ionizing thing to "push" the medicine through the skin and into the tendon. They pretty much guaranteed that it would get the swelling down within a week or two. The only problem is that it requires eight sessions and my insurance isn't very good so I opted for the arm braces first to see if that will help.

Jarrell

KirbysLawn
02-15-2001, 11:34 PM
Jarrell, get rid of that Honda!!!!

I had a Bob Cat WB with pistol grips and woke every morning with totally numb hands. I knew I must do something...I did, I bought a Great Dane Scamper with the push bar. As you can see in the photo below, just push and you go, no grips or squeezing. Guess what?? No more numb hands! No meds & no doctor. I tried a Honda at a local dealer, the stiffest grips I've ever seen!

Take the meds and wear those braces, very important when sleeping!

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=681893&a=6961231&p=23467291&Sequence=0&res=high

[Edited by KirbysLawn on 02-15-2001 at 11:36 PM]

ETturfman
02-16-2001, 12:06 AM
Thanks for the advice Kirby. I am definitely going to start pricing Great Dane's. Somebody said Toro has the push bars also. Any advice on either one? Are they both good, reliable, commercial mowers? Thanks alot.

Jarrell

Bassman
02-16-2001, 12:35 AM
Numbness and tingling in the wrist and hands is most usually carpal tunnel syndrome. Work a little and shake it out. Work some more and shake it out. A **** up wrist brace is helpful, (with a metal spoon under the wrist to keep the wrist ligaments stationary). This is a common problem in our trade due to repeated vibration and twisting in the wrist area. Won't kill ya but sure is uncomfortable. Hate it at night when you wake up with numbing pain in the hands, fingers and wrists. Mine goes away in the off season.
I used to own a medical supply company and we dispensed a lot of wrist splints for this problem, (a local physician sent many people in to us for these splints to help correct this problem). Wear the splint on your wrist not only during the day but also while you sleep to stabilize the affected wrist ligaments.
Bassman

[Edited by Bassman on 02-16-2001 at 12:56 AM]

ETturfman
02-16-2001, 09:16 AM
Great advice Bassman. Appreciate it.

Jarrell

KirbysLawn
02-16-2001, 09:53 AM
and eliminate it! Splints, medications, doctor visits, & physical therapy only mask or ease the underlying. Nothing to going to totally resolve the problem until the problem is identified and corrected.


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