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pilotcoplawnboy
08-08-2004, 08:01 AM
Does anyone know of a good solution to get rid of ants in the yard? I just built a new home and there are ants all over the place. Driveway,patio and front and back yards. I took out a few ant hills when I first moved in. Is there something I can put in my speader to put on the yard? Thanks!

Lawn Sharks
08-09-2004, 07:39 AM
At my house I use the following. (Can't say it is an organic solution but it works)

2 teaspoons of boric acid

1/4 cup of hot water

one cup of corn syrup (light or dark)

put it all in a jar and shake it up to mix

place small amounts in jar lids in areas that you see ants, preferably out of the rain

depending on the current state of the nest ants will seek out sugar based or protein based foods, if you see the traffic to the sugar mix above try peanut butter and boric acid

Avery
08-09-2004, 02:22 PM
Talstar............

Catmann
08-09-2004, 06:08 PM
All you need to do is sprinkle some boric acid around the mounds and anywhere you see ant traffic - they will get into it and die. However, if you have pets, be judicious as boric acid can be toxic if enough is ingested. Obviously it takes a lot less for ants than pets or humans.

Talstar would probably work too.

An organic solution would be to apply crabshell. This material is very high in chitin and induces high levels of chitinase, which basically are organisims that break down chitin. Most soft bodied insects have chitin-based exoskeletons and this stuff really deters them.

It has been successfully used for fire-ants in Florida. Ants have sensory capacity for the chitinase and will avoid it - literally walking around the material if you apply it in their path (once the material starts to break down - maybe not the second you apply it). If you treat the whole yard you get some NPK and strong ant protection. Worth a try unless you have a lot of property becasue the stuff is not really cheap, about $25.00 per 50-lb bag and is used at 10 lbs per 1000 in the lawn and about 3 lbs per 100 (yes 100) around the perimeter of the home or in gardens.

Ric
08-10-2004, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by Keth
At my house I use the following. (Can't say it is an organic solution but it works)

2 teaspoons of boric acid

1/4 cup of hot water

one cup of corn syrup (light or dark)

put it all in a jar and shake it up to mix

place small amounts in jar lids in areas that you see ants, preferably out of the rain

depending on the current state of the nest ants will seek out sugar based or protein based foods, if you see the traffic to the sugar mix above try peanut butter and boric acid

Keth


Boric Acid is a pesticide and the active ingredient of many Pesticide products. BTW There is no antidote for Boric Acid and dusting with it has been advised against strongly. How can you claim to be chemical free.


Pilotcop

Controlling Ants with out insecticides is like doing Cuban 8's while doing a search. You need to add some carb heat and use the flaps to get down on it. Do a search here on LS under Fire Ants and look for my screen name. No I am too lazy to look it up for you. Yes Talstar is an excellent general insecticide.

Ps. MOS 061, FAC

Lawn Sharks
08-10-2004, 09:57 PM
Boric Acid is used as a food preservative. The antiseptic activity of boric acid is also used in commercial "artificial tears" and eyewash products and as a yeast infection treatment for women. It is a chemical like any other but I never use it on an organic client's lawn. Read some of my other posts I actually recommend that some people use Weed B Gone (gasp!). I am not holier than thou, just give people what they want in a responsible and businesslike fashion. This is not a crusade it is a business.

Lawn Sharks
08-10-2004, 09:59 PM
Ric,
Oops. forgot to mention that you missed the "at my house" part of my original post. Please reread so as to minimize confusion in the future.

Ric
08-10-2004, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Keth
Boric Acid is used as a food preservative. The antiseptic activity of boric acid is also used in commercial "artificial tears" and eyewash products and as a yeast infection treatment for women. It is a chemical like any other but I never use it on an organic client's lawn. Read some of my other posts I actually recommend that some people use Weed B Gone (gasp!). I am not holier than thou, just give people what they want in a responsible and businesslike fashion. This is not a crusade it is a business.

Keth

Then why don't you just breath a bunch of boric acid dust and watch you lungs fill up. Yes a small amount the body can get rid of. Eye and female products are contact not systemic.

Lawn Sharks
08-10-2004, 10:21 PM
Ric,
Perhaps I should do the same with asprin or table salt. Borates, including boric acid, have been used since the days of the ancient Greeks for cleaning, preserving food and other everyday activities.

Today, boric acid is found in more every day uses and products than ever before. Among them are eye wash solutions, flame ******ants, insecticides, glass products and fertilizers. And yet with all these uses over all these years, the question, "Is boric acid toxic?" seems to be raised with regularity every year.

Asking "How toxic is boric acid?" is sort of like asking "How hot is hot?" The answer clearly needs to be qualified...and, yes, scientists have figured out a means to compare one chemical to the next. In fact, on this scale, scientists and/or regulators can compare most anything that can be swallowed, inhaled or put in one's eyes.

The scale I am referring to gives a figure known as the LD50 rating - a dose that would cause the deaths of 50 percent of a specific animal population. One method used to determine the LD50 rating for most substances is via laboratory-controlled oral doses to rats. The following table lists the LD50 (oral-rat) for several common substances as published by the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances.

Substance
LD50
(milligrams of dose
/kg of body weight)
Aspirin 1,000
Boric Acid 2,660
Table Salt 3,000
Boron #10 3,500
Baking Soda 4,200
Grain Alcohol 14,000

Based on this data, boric acid and Boron No. 10 are not significantly different in toxicity than common table salt. In addition, both boric acid and Boron No. 10 are less toxic than aspirin. The greater the LD50 rating the safer the substance is. When compared to these common household items, boric acid and Boron No. 10 are not particularly dangerous, and, if used properly, will not cause poisoning. It is important to remember that there have been no known deaths resulting from the use of boric acid in their use as an insecticide.

So are borates toxic? Certainly, and so is virtually every and anything else you come in contact with. It is simply a matter of quantity. If you believe aspirin or table salt is dangerous, poisonous or in some other way life threatening, then you probably should not use borates. If, on the other hand, you can rationally look at the comparative data, you will probably come to the conclusion that boric acid and Boron No. 10 are among the safest of choices for ant control in the home or garden.

Lawn Sharks
08-10-2004, 10:38 PM
And by the way do you know the LD50 rating of Telstar? I don't but would be willing to bet it is lower than boric acid.

Hamons
08-10-2004, 10:51 PM
Wow Keith -- you sure know a lot about Boric acid. Where did you learn so much?

Hamons
08-10-2004, 11:56 PM
OOPS -- my bad, actually Mr. Blasius is the smart one.


http://www.natbat.com/docs/boron.htm

The Safe Use of Boric Acid and Boron No. 10
By J.R. Blasius

Borates, including boric acid, have been used since the days of the ancient Greeks for cleaning, preserving food and other everyday activities.

Today, boric acid is found in more every day uses and products than ever before. Among them are eye wash solutions, flame ******ants, insecticides, glass products and fertilizers. And yet with all these uses over all these years, the question, "Is boric acid toxic?" seems to be raised with regularity every year.

Asking "How toxic is boric acid?" is sort of like asking "How hot is hot?" The answer clearly needs to be qualified...and, yes, scientists have figured out a means to compare one chemical to the next. In fact, on this scale, scientists and/or regulators can compare most anything that can be swallowed, inhaled or put in one's eyes.

The scale I am referring to gives a figure known as the LD50 rating - a dose that would cause the deaths of 50 percent of a specific animal population. One method used to determine the LD50 rating for most substances is via laboratory-controlled oral doses to rats. The following table lists the LD50 (oral-rat) for several common substances as published by the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances.

Substance
LD50
(milligrams of dose
/kg of body weight)
Aspirin 1,000
Boric Acid 2,660
Table Salt 3,000
Boron #10 3,500
Baking Soda 4,200
Grain Alcohol 14,000

Based on this data, boric acid and Boron No. 10 are not significantly different in toxicity than common table salt. In addition, both boric acid and Boron No. 10 are less toxic than aspirin. The greater the LD50 rating the safer the substance is. When compared to these common household items, boric acid and Boron No. 10 are not particularly dangerous, and, if used properly, will not cause poisoning. It is important to remember that there have been no known deaths resulting from the use of boric acid or Boron No. 10 in mattresses or upholstered furniture or even in their use as an insecticide.

So are borates toxic? Certainly, and so is virtually every and anything else you come in contact with. It is simply a matter of quantity, and the simple fact is that exposure to cotton batting treated with borates is a safe exposure that should not cause alarm in anyone. In fact, the levels at which these borate products are present in cotton batting make them very effective control agents against dust mites, mold and mildew, all of with can develop in any mattress of any construction. Controlling the spread of dust mites, molds and/or mildews makes for a healthier home and less of a chance for the homeowners to develop allergies.

If you believe aspirin or table salt is dangerous, poisonous or in some other way life threatening, then you probably should not use borates. If, on the other hand, you can rationally look at the comparative data, you will probably come to the conclusion that boric acid and Boron No. 10 are among the safest of choices for making cotton-batting flame ******ant.

cracker boy
08-11-2004, 12:43 AM
crosscheck cost less does just as good as telstar on fireants here in florida

gfaubion
08-19-2004, 01:33 PM
Keith you lose in the end.

I would would also like to be relevant to this thread by saying Talstar is very effective at killing the ants.

Lawn Sharks
08-19-2004, 01:37 PM
I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion but I can't seem to see how I "lose". I don't have an ant problem.

joeg2246
06-11-2005, 04:54 AM
I use a Flame Thrower. I stand back about 30 feet and let it rip right on the mound. The ants skeletal structures just don't match up to the fire. So they die and I have a burned up, but, ant free yard.

dishboy
06-11-2005, 09:01 AM
I use a Flame Thrower. I stand back about 30 feet and let it rip right on the mound. The ants skeletal structures just don't match up to the fire. So they die and I have a burned up, but, ant free yard.


But do you have a pesticde license for that flame thrower operation? :)

Appalachian landscape
07-11-2005, 11:07 PM
diatomaceous earth works for ants. sprinkle it liberally around the mounds and the ants will ingest it or walk through it and be cut up from the inside and out side, then they will "bleed" to death. :angry:

I used this stuff a few weeks ago around a clients house, and it worked very well.

coastallandscapesolutions
07-11-2005, 11:14 PM
Keth


Boric Acid is a pesticide and the active ingredient of many Pesticide products. BTW There is no antidote for Boric Acid and dusting with it has been advised against strongly. How can you claim to be chemical free.


Pilotcop

Controlling Ants with out insecticides is like doing Cuban 8's while doing a search. You need to add some carb heat and use the flaps to get down on it. Do a search here on LS under Fire Ants and look for my screen name. No I am too lazy to look it up for you. Yes Talstar is an excellent general insecticide.

Ps. MOS 061, FAC


Ric,

What about Top Choice? It takes a little time to start working but we are having great results with it.

Guthrie&Co
07-17-2005, 02:24 AM
if you can get away with it just piss on em at night. it really works

sheshovel
07-17-2005, 03:35 AM
scabyscapes I can't believe you actually said that!LoloLOLOl

Guthrie&Co
07-18-2005, 12:01 PM
I wouldnt do it but my dad does it all them time. its the amonia that get em.