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Longstar
08-30-2004, 09:29 AM
Those of you who overseed bermuda lawns in the winter with rye grass... Do you prefer to use Annual Rye or do you use Perennial?

I have used Annual for the past 3 years and it looks great but it makes a mess and needs to be mowed quite often to keep it looking nice. I have to bag the grass because the clippings are thick and a little moist. I have heard perennial is a little easier to deal with and is a darker green color than annual.

Pecker
08-30-2004, 10:52 AM
Perennial is the way to go. It grows shorter, slower, is a higher quality grass, and ALOT easier to mow.

Annual grows tall, stays wet all the time and will clog your mower every five feet. Also, annual is bad about killing the warm season grass when Spring time arrives because it blocks out all the light if you put even just a little too much seed down in the fall.

soccer911
09-16-2004, 01:33 PM
I have a nice yard very thick St. Aug grass can I cut it short and overseed it?

Precision
09-16-2004, 05:59 PM
you could overseed with something else, I don't know why thought. St augustine does not produce enough seed heads to be a commercially viable option.

Do you get bad brown out or does it get really cold there?

Here in Central Florida our St augustine just grows slower in winter.

25nbl
09-16-2004, 10:04 PM
Yes, you can overseed your St.Augustine grass...it will not be as thick or green as a bermuda lawn, but it will still look good. Try it, it can't hurt anything.

bluemoon
09-17-2004, 01:04 AM
Can you tell me the rate per thousand you put seed down. I overseeded my bermuda 2yrs ago w/ annual, looked great that fall, but the following summer it actually choked out my bermuda. It has taken 2 yrs now to get bermuda back in shape.
Maybe I seeded too much?
Maybe I am too far north. I live 80 miles west of Wichita, Ks.
I would like to try again, any tips would be a big help.
Thanks
bluemoon

ThreeWide
09-17-2004, 12:01 PM
First of all....I wouldn't use Annual rye.

I've never heard of St. Augustine being overseeded with rye. Ryegrass is a lower-growing turf and needs be mowed at 1.5 to 2 inches, which would be rather harmful to your St. Augustine. Not saying it couldn't be done...but just not a suggested practice. Also, the St. Augustine from what I've seen retains most of its color during the Winter.

For the person in Kansas....the seeding rate depends on what cultivar of perennial rye you use. Generally, 7-8 lbs per thousand will get you good coverage. If you want more density, go with 10 pounds per thousand. Not surprised you had trouble with transition in Kansas. The perennial will persist into June in Georgia at times. For this reason, it would help the transition by spraying out the rye when the bermuda greens up. Every Spring is different as you know, so it depends on the weather. You can sometimes get a good transition by mowing the rye down to 1/2 inch and fertilizing the bermuda with heavy nitrogen. But doing neither of the above will normally result in a poor stand of bermuda that year. The transition process needs to be managed carefully.

tiedeman
09-17-2004, 02:27 PM
The coverage should be about 7lbs per 1,000