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GreenMonster
10-09-2004, 10:13 PM
Most of you guys know I recently got a 23/54 Quicktrak. So far I've been pretty pleased.

I am however, a little dissapointed in the striping. When I demoed the 48" this spring, it striped real nice. Now, the stripes lack definition. It's not an issue with the grass, because the grasshopper is still striping well.

I checked the deck set-up, and it's set-up properly per the manual. However, the manual calls for the rear of the deck to be 1/4" higher than the front, as measured at the blades, front to back.

I'm running just single hi-lifts right now. I'll be using gators as soon as they come in (dealer back order).

Haven't I read here that the back of the deck can be lowered to improve striping? Any other suggestions?

chefdrp
10-09-2004, 10:28 PM
my 7 iron sucks at striping. I made a kit for mine

coastallandscapesolutions
10-09-2004, 11:28 PM
ditto here too. I took a Dixie Chopper stripe kit that I bought on eBay and mounted to the back of the M655 and made a like kit for the 757. Both stripe fairly good.

gobbles2700
10-10-2004, 12:56 AM
I have a 797. In my search for a guard part number I stumbled across the striping kits for 60" and 72" decks. I just looked real quick but they dont seam to have one for the Quik trak but you could ask your parts guy to be sure.

GreenMonster
10-10-2004, 08:11 AM
I have a 797. In my search for a guard part number I stumbled across the striping kits for 60" and 72" decks. I just looked real quick but they dont seam to have one for the Quik trak but you could ask your parts guy to be sure.

They may have gotten 6 grand from me for the mower, but they sure ain't gettin' $500 for a stripe kit.

I was thinking either using chains between the drive tires, or mounting a roller behind the deck (parts through Grainger, Northern or similar supplier).

John Gamba
10-10-2004, 11:59 AM
They may have gotten 6 grand from me for the mower, but they sure ain't gettin' $500 for a stripe kit.

I was thinking either using chains between the drive tires, or mounting a roller behind the deck (parts through Grainger, Northern or similar supplier).


Try the one that scag uses.
John

DLCS
10-10-2004, 12:06 PM
They may have gotten 6 grand from me for the mower, but they sure ain't gettin' $500 for a stripe kit.

I was thinking either using chains between the drive tires, or mounting a roller behind the deck (parts through Grainger, Northern or similar supplier).


They don't make one for the 54" decks just the 60 and 72". I paid around $300 for mine. I'm not going to buy one for my other 757 doesn't work well enough for me. Just running meg Mo blades gives a better defined stripe.

CharlieBingo
10-10-2004, 05:23 PM
I've got a 60in stripe kit off my lazer has about 20hrs $150 it's yours!

Envy Lawn Service
10-10-2004, 05:42 PM
GreenMonster,

Looks like, in pictures, that there is all kinds of room behind the deck to mount a homemade stripe kit. Don't pay big bucks for a factory one. They work no better.

You can use places like existing bolt holes at the scalp rollers, ect, to mount it. Do a search for mounting info and bracket fabrication here. Then go to McMaster Carr and order a good diameter roller to fit your width needs. Or you can just mount a flap of rubber. I would really think that in NH a rubber flap would be enough to do the job.

GreenMonster
10-10-2004, 09:22 PM
Try the one that scag uses.
John

What does Scag use?

GreenMonster
10-10-2004, 09:24 PM
Just running meg Mo blades gives a better defined stripe.


yeah, on my other mowers, striping was better defined with doubles -- hi lift/gator. I want to try the same with the Q/T, but gators are out of stock.

GreenMonster
10-10-2004, 09:27 PM
GreenMonster,

Looks like, in pictures, that there is all kinds of room behind the deck to mount a homemade stripe kit. Don't pay big bucks for a factory one. They work no better.

You can use places like existing bolt holes at the scalp rollers, ect, to mount it. Do a search for mounting info and bracket fabrication here. Then go to McMaster Carr and order a good diameter roller to fit your width needs. Or you can just mount a flap of rubber. I would really think that in NH a rubber flap would be enough to do the job.

Yes. I agree with everything you said.

There does look to be many different mounting locations on the deck. If I do go that route, I'll pick up a roller and bearings from McMaster, Grainger, Northern, etc.

I did try it the other day with a piece of rubber just to see how it would work. I simply attached it to the operator platform with plastic ties. It didn't work great, but I don't think the rubber was heavy enough.

bntt68
10-10-2004, 09:38 PM
I have the 647 with the 48" deck. My cut was beautiful but my stripe was weak. I made my own kit out of rubber flap.I am trying to include some pics.

Envy Lawn Service
10-10-2004, 09:39 PM
Tractor Supply Co has these large rubber stall mats that are thick and less flexable. It doesn't need to be terribly stiff, but not thin floor mat flimsy either. For best results, mount it to a piece of metal at the top. Something like the square stock at Lowes with the holes already in it. Just make sure there is no chance of the rubber getting under a tire or into a blade.

GreenMonster
10-10-2004, 09:50 PM
bntt68

Those are pretty decent stripes.

How about a pic of your "stripe kit".

Thanks for you input Envy, I will try thicker/stiffer rubber before going through the trouble of fab'ing a roller type kit.

GreenMonster
10-10-2004, 09:51 PM
bntt-

how does your 7 iron discharge? Whoever said stamped decks don't discharge well hasn't tried one of these. Beds 15' away ain't safe! :dizzy:

gorrell
10-10-2004, 11:09 PM
here's a few pics from a 50hp Dixie equipped with meg-mos and a rubber flap for striping................Lynn

John Gamba
10-11-2004, 07:35 AM
What does Scag use?

Big League Lawns. com

John

Meg-Mo
10-11-2004, 12:40 PM
That heavy belting hanging down 2 inch. below edge of deck does the job and very inexpensive.

chimmygew
10-11-2004, 12:55 PM
What does Scag use?

http://scag.com/tigerstriper.html

sellers_jon
08-31-2006, 07:05 PM
I just got a John Deere 737 last week with a stripping kit I was wondering how yours turned out like. Does it stripe better now or what.

tacoma200
08-31-2006, 07:19 PM
here's a few pics from a 50hp Dixie equipped with meg-mos and a rubber flap for striping................Lynn
Great job!

sellers_jon
08-31-2006, 07:35 PM
I just trated my 52" bob cat for a John Deere.My bob cat had a rubber flap for a striping kit which did pretty good. My John Deere has a stripping kit on it and its not striping so well.Any suggestions?

bbailey
08-31-2006, 08:43 PM
I made a stripe kit for my John Deere 757 with a 54 inch deck. I have a thread on here under commercial mowing. The title was "my homemade striper", it had some pics too. I used a rubber truck mudflap.

bbailey
08-31-2006, 08:52 PM
Here is a picture of what it does.

Roger
08-31-2006, 09:28 PM
I bought a 717A, 48" Seven Iron II deck in May this year. It does a great job mowing, leaving a much better cut than my Exmark TriAdvantage deck. However, the JD leave very little stripe. In some cases, when I return in one week, I have a hard time finding the marks left from the last mowing. Initially, I was disappointed in lack of stripes like my Exmark, but I really liked the carpet-like result.

Having said that, I have received many more compliments from customers on the quality of work the JD. Some long-standing customers called me on the phone after I had mowed their property a couple of times, "... your new mower does such a great job."

For me, the bottom line is pleasing the customer. Phooy on stripes if the customer is happy. I think it has been said in many LS threads, "stripes are a fascination of the grass cutters, but customers could care less."

gl1200a
08-31-2006, 09:50 PM
I've got the same as you, except in the 727A - 23 HP w/ 54" deck. It did fine striping, but not something to write home about. I did some searching in here and decided on a mudflap since I already had one and all I needed was about $4.00 in steel and paint to make it work. The tires do great striping so I made one to fit in between the rear wheels under the motor.

I made sure the tires wer properly inflated and made the flap so it sits just 1/4inch above the garage floor. and now I have great stripes and better checkerboard when I alternate each week.

My only complaint about the 54" deck is that is takes alot of manual cleanout when spring is here or the grass is wet like this morning. I've heard better from other Z-Trak owners, but it seems that the 54" model is not near as good at self cleaning as the wider decks.

sellers_jon
08-31-2006, 10:37 PM
Thanks guy's for your help.Here where I live its rained for a few days now so maybe this weekend maybe I can try different things like,lower the roller, gator blades stuff like that.... see my other lawnmower the bobcat was a 52'' cut so my stripes were smaller 2 where now there wider mybe I need to retrain the grass.Also the dealer put on the kit on since I bought it there {no charge}ive notice the roller does not even touch the ground so its like its just skimming the grass,so i'm going to lower it and see how that does..........Another thing I cut grass 31/2 to 4 in what do you suggest?

Envy Lawn Service
08-31-2006, 11:48 PM
Thanks guy's for your help.Here where I live its rained for a few days now so maybe this weekend maybe I can try different things like,lower the roller, gator blades stuff like that.... see my other lawnmower the bobcat was a 52'' cut so my stripes were smaller 2 where now there wider mybe I need to retrain the grass.Also the dealer put on the kit on since I bought it there {no charge}ive notice the roller does not even touch the ground so its like its just skimming the grass,so i'm going to lower it and see how that does..........Another thing I cut grass 31/2 to 4 in what do you suggest?

Hi... our grass here in NC doesn't stripe real easy like it does for those guys up north. Even the cool season grasses here are stiffer than they are up there during more sunny years like this one... unless it's a shade lawn of course. I guess it's the intensity of the sun that makes our grasses so hard/coarse.

When I tried the 7 Iron (not 7 Iron II) I got NO STRIPE WHATSOEVER with the stock machine. So that deck does not have what it takes to produce a nice natural stripe here. The eXmark trivantage is the same way.

So I can tell you right up front that you will have to run the roller LOW and let it handle the task of striping... as I said, the eXmark is the same way.

The easiest way I can tell you is to go out to the shop and set the deck at your lowest cutting height you use and adjust the roller down closer to the floor... but not on it. Hopefully that will enhance your stripes at higher heights as well. If not, you'll have to fool with adjusting it up and down periodically for the desired results according to cutting height.

My Lesco Ztwo on the other hand has a natural stripe. The roller on it does not touch the ground until I drop the deck down to 1 3/4". But I still get good stripes cutting at 5" even though the roller just brushes the tips of the grass. I'm sure it helps some, but most of the stripe is just from the deck.

DLCS
08-31-2006, 11:53 PM
So that deck does not have what it takes to produce a nice natural stripe here. The eXmark trivantage is the same way.

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B.S. My 7 irons stripe nice. If the machine was setup right from the start it will stripe just fine.:rolleyes:

6'7 330
09-01-2006, 12:12 AM
The eXmark trivantage is the same way.

So I can tell you right up front that you will have to run the roller LOW and let it handle the task of striping... as I said, the eXmark is the same way.

.


The tri-advantage might not stripe stock out of the box down there, here in my neck of the woods it lays down well defined stripes, without a roller.The tri-advantage pitched between 1/8 and a 1/4 inch , stripes our turf exceptionally well.

Envy Lawn Service
09-01-2006, 12:12 AM
B.S. My 7 irons stripe nice. If the machine was setup right from the start it will stripe just fine.:rolleyes:

You are in Illinois though... not North Carolina...

Even the exact same variety of Turf Type Tall Fescue has different characteristics here... though you might get some stripes from it here if it was a shade lawn.

Envy Lawn Service
09-01-2006, 12:15 AM
The tri-advantage might not stripe stock out of the box down there, here in my neck of the woods it lays down well defined stripes, without a roller.The tri-advantage pitched between 1/8 and a 1/4 inch , stripes our turf exceptionally well.

See post #32

But with the roller installed and set low it stripes nicely.

sellers_jon
09-01-2006, 01:56 PM
I would like to see som pic Envy of the right set up,and some of your stripes also.

bntt68
09-01-2006, 02:28 PM
HA HA! My 7 Iron stripes awesome. Just gotta know how to set up your equipment.

sellers_jon
09-01-2006, 02:50 PM
ok well please tell some imfo about the setup

sellers_jon
09-01-2006, 05:08 PM
ok Ive been messin around with my striping kit so maybe tommorrow ill see the turn out. Ive lowered the kit like everyone says hopefully I won't tear up some grass. Ill let everyone know the turn out. thanks for the inputs.Guys here where I live dont tell nothing figure out your self. luckly I found this site and ya'll help thank alot Sellers Lawn Care

GrassMonkey
09-01-2006, 06:37 PM
Sellers Jon

I have the 757 60 incher. I am in Belmont, NC and it stripes reasonably well but not great. I can tell from week to week the direction that I last cut but it does not leave much of a diamond pattern effect. However, I do find that the shorter that I cut a lawn the better the striping results - why, I don't know.

bntt68
09-01-2006, 10:36 PM
I will try to get a pic. of my setup soon. What do you have your pitch set on your deck?

poonero
09-01-2006, 11:05 PM
i dont know how to post pics but the one next to my name was done with a 657 no striper. i love the way it stripes.

MJB
09-01-2006, 11:23 PM
My wife made these this morning cutting at 3 1/2 inches with the Hustler XR7 66" mulcher and a stripe roller. I gave her a hard time for her crooked lines but she didn't get much sleep she said. I'm not complaining she usually does a good job even on bad days. The grass was dripping wet when we mowed it this morning this is the 2nd pass the 1st was messy.

sellers_jon
09-02-2006, 01:09 AM
thank for some pic of some stripes. sure wished mine looked that good. Man a girl made my stripes look weak.lol. I tried adjusting my kit so i guess i'll see how it works tommorrow or in a few hours thank again for the pic.

jpmako
09-02-2006, 11:34 AM
I have posted some pics of stripes in other posts but here is one from yesterday. It is not my best work by any means...

MJB
09-02-2006, 12:44 PM
thank for some pic of some stripes. sure wished mine looked that good. Man a girl made my stripes look weak.lol. I tried adjusting my kit so i guess i'll see how it works tommorrow or in a few hours thank again for the pic.

It helps when you live up north the lawns stripe easier than down there. I like the roller over the rubber flap though. The grass here is fine and tears easily so some flaps can do more damage if set up wrong. I also have seen flaps that drag the gravel onto the lawn etc if there set to low or to stiff. I'm sure you'll get it figured out. I would like to see how a roller works out there versus the rubber flap.

sellers_jon
09-02-2006, 10:42 PM
So far or for now the rubber worked better for me.But I also had mulchin blades. Im just worndering if that aint my problem now.Even with the flap mulchin blades done better. Guys rubber or roller my stripes dont look like these pic so thumbs up they look good. My stripes look pale.I adusted my roller it done a little better.I would like to see a pic of a john deere set up with the roller just to get a idea what I need to do.Man sure would like stripes like thoes pic.

MJB
09-02-2006, 11:52 PM
ENVY
"Hi... our grass here in NC doesn't stripe real easy like it does for those guys up north. Even the cool season grasses here are stiffer than they are up there during more sunny years like this one... unless it's a shade lawn of course. I guess it's the intensity of the sun that makes our grasses so hard/coarse. "

Envy sometime take a close up of your cool season grasses and post it. Up here we cut at 3.25 to 3.75 with a few shorter and longer. But where I live we don't see a cloud all summer most yrs. We are in Wa St but it's all desert here with 300 days of sunshine per yr. So the sun may not be the difference. We have a dry heat you have a humid heat. I'm thinking maybe you just have a mix of cool season grasses mixed in with the your southern turf. Just not enough to stripe easily. Just trying to figure out the difference. I don't need the striper roller out here to stripe with the Hustler at all it stripes without it, but thats how easy this grass lays over.

MJB
09-02-2006, 11:55 PM
So far or for now the rubber worked better for me.But I also had mulchin blades. Im just worndering if that aint my problem now.Even with the flap mulchin blades done better. Guys rubber or roller my stripes dont look like these pic so thumbs up they look good. My stripes look pale.I adusted my roller it done a little better.I would like to see a pic of a john deere set up with the roller just to get a idea what I need to do.Man sure would like stripes like thoes pic.


Jon, My mowers stripe better with the muching kit on than off. The stripe is darker. But when I side discharge with mulching blades the grass clippings cover the stripes up even after double passes. How much pitch or rake do you have ?

Envy Lawn Service
09-03-2006, 12:01 AM
MBJ... I'll do that... might even have some in a file somewhere already.

It would be interesting to know for sure. But even pure stands of cool season grass do not stripe easily. But I notice the character of the Fescues changes with the weather. When it's real healthy and getting plenty of sun it is tuff and stiff. The hotter it gets, the coarser it gets, and then there is the point where just before it starts to 'heat-stress'... it like wilts sort of and stripes easier.

The warm season turf stripes close to the same. It's just that the grass blades are different and do not catch the light quite like fescues and such do.

sellers_jon
09-03-2006, 12:38 PM
I'm not understanding what a pitch or rake

sellers_jon
09-03-2006, 12:39 PM
I'm not understanding what a pitch or rake.

MJB
09-03-2006, 06:50 PM
I'm not understanding what a pitch or rake.

Sorry, I wanted to know if you have measured the difference between the front tip of your blades and the rear tip when pointing them forward. Usually you should have about 1/4 to 1/2 inch difference with the rear or back of the blade being higher off the concrete than the front.

sellers_jon
09-05-2006, 09:25 PM
I have adjusted my roller a little lower. It stripes a little better but i still have high lift blades,waiting for the gator blades to come in.does any one know if the gator blades are better with the striping kit

David W
09-05-2006, 09:58 PM
If you buy a Great Dane Chariot you don't need no striping kit ;)

I love my chariot and bought it for the quality of cut and stripes.

See avatar.

MJB
09-05-2006, 10:08 PM
If you buy a Great Dane Chariot you don't need no striping kit ;)

I love my chariot and bought it for the quality of cut and stripes.

See avatar.

60" or smaller ?? Do you have any pics to show it's cut and striping ability?

Envy Lawn Service
09-05-2006, 10:08 PM
If you buy a Great Dane Chariot you don't need no striping kit ;)

I love my chariot and bought it for the quality of cut and stripes.

See avatar.

I liked the Chariot LX cut and stripe from the Gen II deck also.
I liked the way it handled naturally for me even more.
I liked the center sticks too.

But I couldn't get them to cut higher than 3" or so at the top setting and you could not adjust the cutting height to match the selector, because if it were any higher, a pulley would have came in contact with the underside of the machine.

I ended up passing although I liked almost everything else.
Turned out for the best though, because that dealer went belly-up.

Envy Lawn Service
09-05-2006, 10:14 PM
60" or smaller ?? Do you have any pics to show it's cut and striping ability?

The one I had here was a 61" Chariot LX w/suspension seat and Gen II deck.
I put up a review here about it.

It really does cut and stripe well with no help.
But before trying it, I took one look at the deck design and swore it wouldn't cut anything.

They may eventually become something more than they have been.
Everride owns Great Dane now, so maybe some issues will improve...
But who knows... Everride might not be any better at managing them.

MJB
09-05-2006, 10:37 PM
The one I had here was a 61" Chariot LX w/suspension seat and Gen II deck.
I put up a review here about it.

It really does cut and stripe well with no help.
But before trying it, I took one look at the deck design and swore it wouldn't cut anything.

They may eventually become something more than they have been.
Everride owns Great Dane now, so maybe some issues will improve...
But who knows... Everride might not be any better at managing them.


I've seen em in the Turf and Pro Landscaper mags but don't think we have any dealers around here. I usually don't even look for the dealer until I've heard or read that they mulch decent. Every mower from here on out for me needs to be able to do both in my opinion.

tacoma200
09-06-2006, 12:19 AM
Envy, what part of N.C. do you live in. Piedmont, costal plain, foothills, etc. I know they have many types of soil and rainfall amounts there. Pretty sandy in the costal plain I imagine. We have clay, yellow soils with high amounts of lime in the central part of the state. Southern grasses are native but there has been wide spread planting of fescue (some bluegrass) due to the fact that it grows well and stays green almost all year.

tacoma200
09-06-2006, 12:32 AM
My wife made these this morning cutting at 3 1/2 inches with the Hustler XR7 66" mulcher and a stripe roller. I gave her a hard time for her crooked lines but she didn't get much sleep she said. I'm not complaining she usually does a good job even on bad days. The grass was dripping wet when we mowed it this morning this is the 2nd pass the 1st was messy.
Which mower on the first pass? Please explain in detail what height the first pass vs second, direction of cut first vs second, etc. I have never used a mulcher, just wondering about build up in these wet condition. Of course I have to scrape quite often during wet weather here, even with side discharge. Don't you use the Lazer on the first pass? Your wife can probably mow as strait without sleep as I can with.

mdvaden
09-06-2006, 12:59 AM
Was the demo surface the same, or special?

David W
09-06-2006, 06:53 AM
60" or smaller ?? Do you have any pics to show it's cut and striping ability?

Bigger Chariot LX has a 61" deck.

I have a couple of pics...will try to post them tonight.

David W
09-06-2006, 07:03 AM
I liked the Chariot LX cut and stripe from the Gen II deck also.
I liked the way it handled naturally for me even more.
I liked the center sticks too.

But I couldn't't get them to cut higher than 3" or so at the top setting and you could not adjust the cutting height to match the selector, because if it were any higher, a pulley would have came in contact with the underside of the machine.

I ended up passing although I liked almost everything else.
Turned out for the best though, because that dealer went belly-up.

I am a big fun of any mower...Ex-mark, Scag etc they're all nice, but I love the control you have with a Chariot LX. I will agree with you about the deck and have complained the last 3 or 4 years to them at the EXPO in Louisville. This is something they are looking at, but I was told it was for the warm season grasses. I guess in Florida or anywhere in the south there is a greater need for cutting shorter. The tallest height it can caught is 4" and that is on the "5" setting. For some reason or another it comes 1" inch off from the factory!?!?! Don't know why.

My purchase of the Chariot LX was all about timing, the price of $6700 and two years no interest and no payments from John Deere Credit when they ran Great Dane. I have a great dealer I am friends with and he takes care of me. I really liked the Ex-mark at the time but it was almost $2000.00 more and I had a budget fixing to have a wife ;)

My next purchase will be a Ex-mark though. They make a great machine that doesn't sacrifice quality of cut and it can stripe pretty decent too. I get more compliments off of the Chariot stripes than any other mower. I like the stripe roller option too.

Just some food for thought.

MJB
09-06-2006, 09:48 AM
Which mower on the first pass? Please explain in detail what height the first pass vs second, direction of cut first vs second, etc. I have never used a mulcher, just wondering about build up in these wet condition. Of course I have to scrape quite often during wet weather here, even with side discharge. Don't you use the Lazer on the first pass? Your wife can probably mow as strait without sleep as I can with.

I use the Hustler on both passes. The 1st pass was in the opposite direction with the deck set at 3.5 which you can't see from the angle of the picture. The 2nd pass was almost wide open at 3.75 just a 1/4 inch higher.

I use the Lazer on a smaller section. You know as wet as it is each week I don't scrape my deck more than once a week on either mower. But all my lawns are wet so I don't get into much dry and dusty combinations that makes it stick more. Plus the 30 hp has been kicking butt. I think the key is learning how much you can cut at 1 time and not cutting it to short when its that wet. Plus I releveled my deck and now can not use the transport setting, but the settings match my Exmark better now. I raised my hitch on my truck so the deck will clear going up the ramp set at 4.75.

Below are pics of the 1st pass I was cutting 2 " of grass when it gets deeper than 2" it will make a bigger mess. But the mulcher never loads up and pukes killing the mower . If the deck is loaded and you slow down a little it will drop more in 1 spot, plus when turning around it will dump more but I think it works well.

tacoma200
09-06-2006, 12:11 PM
MJB great pics, I guess living on the edge of Appalachia, you just don't see many quality stands of grass like that. Just a few home owners that work on them all the time. Most just sew them once and let them go. I do not see pure stands of turf grass and thats why the Hustler probably doesn't do as well here. Plus I'm cutting off more. But I've tried some of your techniques and they seem to be working (mowing a little higher on the second pass on nicer homes) even though I'm discharging.

Envy Lawn Service
09-06-2006, 10:24 PM
MBJ,

The first picture looks good...

The second picture... I would be freaking out.
Especially taking that little off that pure of a stand of turf.

Extremely NICE turf quality by the way....

MJB
09-07-2006, 01:31 AM
MBJ,

The first picture looks good...

The second picture... I would be freaking out.
Especially taking that little off that pure of a stand of turf.

Extremely NICE turf quality by the way....

Not sure what you mean about freaking out. From where the picture starts to down by the house the grass is alway about 2 " longer on that end. So it gets hard to cut with a mulching deck especially wet in that corner. The grass is starting to slow down with the cool temps at night already. Most of our lawns are this way that have a good sprinkler system that covers evenly. I have lawns that are longer during the spring we cut off about 6 " thats when it really gets messy. Thats also when I get out the side discharge to knock it down.

MJB
09-07-2006, 01:41 AM
MJB great pics, I guess living on the edge of Appalachia, you just don't see many quality stands of grass like that. Just a few home owners that work on them all the time. Most just sew them once and let them go. I do not see pure stands of turf grass and thats why the Hustler probably doesn't do as well here. Plus I'm cutting off more. But I've tried some of your techniques and they seem to be working (mowing a little higher on the second pass on nicer homes) even though I'm discharging.

Now you know why I double cut everything I can't make the grass dissapear on 1 pass . I was surprised at how well it did on the 1st pass that morning though because it was very wet. I've had lawns that were not of this quality but would grow taller and I always used simular techniques to make it look good. I always price everything to double cut. Sure beats bagging which I can't believe I use to do even on the 2 - 3 acre lawns, sure don't miss that.
Do you have your Lazer set up to mulch?? Have you ever mulched with it? I still prefer to have 1 of each on my trailer for different jobs and conditions.

tacoma200
09-07-2006, 08:54 AM
No both my mowers are side discharge. I would want to try one out around here before I bought a mulch kit. No one mulches or bags here. Not sure if it's just a regional thing. I'm learning . Of course the customers are not as picky here as they would be in larger, more affluent, neighborhoods. Sometimes I feel like doing more bush hog type work than mowing. Lots of 10-14 day accounts and some weeklies. We are having some of our worst conditions but I still make them look pretty good by going over it a second time at high speed.

Envy Lawn Service
09-07-2006, 10:38 PM
Not sure what you mean about freaking out. From where the picture starts to down by the house the grass is alway about 2 " longer on that end. So it gets hard to cut with a mulching deck especially wet in that corner. The grass is starting to slow down with the cool temps at night already. Most of our lawns are this way that have a good sprinkler system that covers evenly. I have lawns that are longer during the spring we cut off about 6 " thats when it really gets messy. Thats also when I get out the side discharge to knock it down.

Well I wasn't going to respond because I don't want anyone to think I'm just being a butthole. But then I decided that "I" know I'm not and hopefully members will also realize it too.

First, that's eXactly the type of turf quality pictured that I have been trying to explain to folks that the eXmark TriVantage deck "likes" to cut. Pretty much that and not much else. It can cut that soooo crisp and pretty. It does a great job on that kind of stuff so long as the conditions are right (not too sappy or wet and cutting off a lot) and the deck doesn't clog. If cutting off a lot in good conditions it still will usually do a great job. It just looks like a hay field after one pass is all. Anything beyond that and it's slinging wads and so forth like pictured in #2.

Second, the kind of performance pictured gets me freaking out. I'm not content to settle for that and mow 2 or 3 times just to get a lawn cut and somewhat presentable. If I were, I would be on here like the others singing praises of the Lazer HP and I would not have had to buy the Lesco to bail me out.

Again, not being a butthole.... but honestly my Lesco would blow right through those lawns like nothing, at speed, and leave a beautiful finish in one pass... on the trailer and GONE. More money, less time. It would mulch that in one pass too... but at a slower speed of course.

The Lazer HP would take a second pass most of the time to hide the clippings. Sometimes I'd get by with one and those pics are close.

I'm confused about how you are set up? Which mowers are set up to mulch and which are set to side discharge? Originally I was strongly leaning towards a 27/52" UltraCut Lazer Z. But it didn't work out that way. Nobody had one, only the 20/52" so the 23/52 HP is what I took out. I've wondered ever since if I missed out not getting the UltraCut for the extra depth for mulching and harder side discharge conditions....

MJB
09-08-2006, 11:03 AM
Well I wasn't going to respond because I don't want anyone to think I'm just being a butthole. But then I decided that "I" know I'm not and hopefully members will also realize it too.

First, that's eXactly the type of turf quality pictured that I have been trying to explain to folks that the eXmark TriVantage deck "likes" to cut. Pretty much that and not much else. It can cut that soooo crisp and pretty. It does a great job on that kind of stuff so long as the conditions are right (not too sappy or wet and cutting off a lot) and the deck doesn't clog. If cutting off a lot in good conditions it still will usually do a great job. It just looks like a hay field after one pass is all. Anything beyond that and it's slinging wads and so forth like pictured in #2.

Second, the kind of performance pictured gets me freaking out. I'm not content to settle for that and mow 2 or 3 times just to get a lawn cut and somewhat presentable. If I were, I would be on here like the others singing praises of the Lazer HP and I would not have had to buy the Lesco to bail me out.

Again, not being a butthole.... but honestly my Lesco would blow right through those lawns like nothing, at speed, and leave a beautiful finish in one pass... on the trailer and GONE. More money, less time. It would mulch that in one pass too... but at a slower speed of course.

The Lazer HP would take a second pass most of the time to hide the clippings. Sometimes I'd get by with one and those pics are close.

I'm confused about how you are set up? Which mowers are set up to mulch and which are set to side discharge? Originally I was strongly leaning towards a 27/52" UltraCut Lazer Z. But it didn't work out that way. Nobody had one, only the 20/52" so the 23/52 HP is what I took out. I've wondered ever since if I missed out not getting the UltraCut for the extra depth for mulching and harder side discharge conditions....

Well Envy, I've tried every brand of mower pretty much that you rave about and they all have the same problem. Get into thick turf and 1 pass won't cut it and leave it the way I like it. This grass is very fine and very thick I can side discharge it and make it cut clean with any of my mowers, except the Hustler which I have not tried. I also know that the clippings can not dissapear on 1 pass. You can use the Lesco or Cub Cadet Tank which you said is the same thing and the results are no different on the 1st pass. You keep mentioning the Trivantage deck, well I have never used that deck I only use the Ultra cut which is set to mulch now. I tried doubles, gators, mixes of both on many different brands side discharging and the results are essentially the same on the 1st pass. Many would blow thru that grass and cut clean but I hate seeing uncut clippings on the lawn they diminish the look and the stripe. Thats why I double cut. Now I have some lawns that are not as strong of turf and in fact parks that I mow 1 time per month. These I don't double cut because I don't need to. They have a mix of grasses and are slow growing.

My setup this year is mulching with both of my main mowers. I also have 2 Grasshoppers setup to side discharge if needed. I was considering changing the Super Z to side but for now I'm pretty happy with the cut. I can blow thru stuff exactly the same as the Tank, only the ride is so much better. Remember the Tank, it was not that great on thick turf , or on less quality turf the demo had a ranges of grasses and hills and the truth of the matter is it left strgglers everywhere and I still had to double cut. That mower came setup from the dealer just like all my mowers do. So they should all be equal at the start. I know they can all be tweaked to do better.

Again your assuming that the whole lawn is the same as the pic, it's that pic is in fairly light growth, but still thick, and it more than doubles in height by the time you get to the other end.

Don't tell me that the Tank will save me time and money because I already know what the Tank will do up here. Why do you think with all the Cub dealers, a lot around here , yet not hardly any commercial. We are not impressed enough to by them. If you are then by all means buy them and if your right will all go out of business in time because we bought the wrong mower. I got 15 yrs without 1 Cub, and 14 yrs with Zero turns and still going.....go figure. If your Lesco is so good then you need to work for them and teach them how to produce a better product. Gotta run, Leaving town until Sunday night.

sellers_jon
09-12-2006, 10:36 PM
well I got some mulching blades and that done the trick.Guy's i'm striping again

POPO4995
09-13-2006, 12:59 AM
My 737 and 997 stripe fairly well, all stock as they sit now. I must say i'm very pleased all the way around with all Deere Commercial equipment, especially the 7 IRON cut!:usflag:

POPO4995
09-16-2006, 11:12 AM
Here are some stripes layed yesterday by the 737. Kentucky bluegrass at 3"

sellers_jon
09-17-2006, 03:35 PM
do you have a bagger,mulchingkit,or blades.I had trouble with my striping kit at first but now im pretty pleased.

POPO4995
09-17-2006, 11:38 PM
do you have a bagger,mulchingkit,or blades.I had trouble with my striping kit at first but now im pretty pleased.

Don't have a bagger, striping kit, or different blades. Completely stock. I love the Deere's!