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Olylawnboy
11-12-2004, 03:56 AM
What do you guys do with stuff that belongs to homeless people? I have a property that is in a downtown situation, mature landscape, and I find bed rolls, backpacks, boxes of stuf, you name it stashed inside the large shrubs. The stuff can't be seen from the sidewalk or the street but "I" know it's there and so does the owner of the building and he expects me to put it all in the trash. I just can't bring myself to do that. I've left notes before but as soon as someone clears out, someone else kind of moves in so to say. What do you guys do? thanks...

AL Inc
11-12-2004, 07:13 AM
Just be careful, a bridge painter was shot to death here (Queens) after he asked a homeless guy to move so they could paint under the bridge. You just never know.....Guy was only 38 years old and had young kids.

ElephantNest
11-12-2004, 09:07 AM
We took care of a closed casino in New Orleans a few years ago, bums everywhere. They were asked to move, but wouldn't. We offered to take their little cardboard houses and move them to the other side of the parking lot, out of our way. They refused. This was a good paying job, we weren't going to let them ruin it for us. We watched them for a day or two while we worked in other areas of the property, and noticed they all went to the soup kitchen at 1:00 sharp. That's when we took the F250 to their little huts. I walked ahead making sure they were empty, and my partner plowed them over with the truck. Flattened every one of them. They "rebuilt" on the other side. Screw them, just because they're homeless doesn't mean I will let them make me homeless too. P.S., it was fun too.

wojo23323
11-12-2004, 09:11 AM
I just throw the stuff away. The ones i dealt with were warned by police, manager and signs were posted.

lawnwizards
11-12-2004, 09:30 AM
I walked ahead making sure they were empty, and my partner plowed them over with the truck. Flattened every one of them. They "rebuilt" on the other side. Screw them, just because they're homeless doesn't mean I will let them make me homeless too. P.S., it was fun too.

elephantnest, that was good stuff.. i needed a good laugh this morning. :laugh:

Davis Lawn Mowing, LLC.
11-12-2004, 09:36 AM
Glad I live where there are no homeless people screwing up my universe. :angel:

crawdad
11-12-2004, 09:39 AM
We took care of a closed casino in New Orleans a few years ago, bums everywhere. They were asked to move, but wouldn't. We offered to take their little cardboard houses and move them to the other side of the parking lot, out of our way. They refused. This was a good paying job, we weren't going to let them ruin it for us. We watched them for a day or two while we worked in other areas of the property, and noticed they all went to the soup kitchen at 1:00 sharp. That's when we took the F250 to their little huts. I walked ahead making sure they were empty, and my partner plowed them over with the truck. Flattened every one of them. They "rebuilt" on the other side. Screw them, just because they're homeless doesn't mean I will let them make me homeless too. P.S., it was fun too.

That's just hateful. Why didn't you set them on fire and let the homeless people watch? Wouldn't that've been "fun."
I hope you are never down on your luck, and if you are, I hope you don't run into someone like you.
Crawdad

DSIM
11-12-2004, 09:43 AM
Crawdad,

I strongly agree!! What ever a man sows, that shall he reap.

Davis Lawn Mowing, LLC.
11-12-2004, 09:50 AM
If they are screwing up your universe and not following orders from police, owners, or the law for that matter, screw em. Maybe it will get them off there asses and out to find a job. Youl could be doing them a favor.

fga
11-12-2004, 10:22 AM
I hope you are never down on your luck, and if you are, I hope you don't run into someone like you.
Crawdad
i said something similar to this a few weeks ago. i said i hope i don't ever find myself asking for help, cuz some of you guys would throw me to the wolves..

fga
11-12-2004, 10:24 AM
If they are screwing up your universe and not following orders from police, owners, or the law for that matter, screw em. Maybe it will get them off there asses and out to find a job. Youl could be doing them a favor.if that's all it takes to get them off the streets, maybe you should give them your business card.

ElephantNest
11-12-2004, 10:35 AM
That's just hateful. Why didn't you set them on fire and let the homeless people watch? Wouldn't that've been "fun."
I hope you are never down on your luck, and if you are, I hope you don't run into someone like you.
Crawdad

Hateful? lol

I didn't DO it because it was "fun", I did it because they were asked NUMEROUS times to move, by my boss at the time, me, my partner, police, property manager........the ONLY time they would move is when the police told them to, then as soon as they left, they went right back to where they were. I had a job to do, and no one, not a Princess nor a bum was going to stop me from doing it, sry, that's how I earn a living.

Tell you what, if I'm ever down on my luck, and run into me, and I'm an a**hole to myself, I'll run myself over too.

They had MANY chances to relocate, would have taken them all of 15 minutes. We weren't even asking them to get off of the property, just to friggin move. No? No problem, say goodbye to your sh*t.

Eric 1
11-12-2004, 12:06 PM
Nest

If i ever tick you off, can i get a warning before you plow me over.lol :dizzy: :alien:

bobbygedd
11-12-2004, 12:19 PM
some people will spend $5 bucks on a pack of cigarettes to kill themselves, but won't throw a homeless man $1. un b le va ble

ElephantNest
11-12-2004, 01:34 PM
No, I won't do either. But I will buy them food, and have before. If these idiots would have been half way kind, or at least willing to negotiate, we would have done the same for them as well. A jerk is a jerk, residentially challenged or not.

ztoro
11-12-2004, 01:52 PM
These people are homeless becaus they choose not work. Its not hard to get a job and find a cheap place to live. They are bums......


I make them do something before I give them a dollar... Dance, sing anything.... The joke is probably on us, half of these money beggars probably go back to there nice rent controlled apartment after collecting 100 bucks a days........

mag360
11-12-2004, 03:08 PM
A jerk is a jerk, residentially challenged or not.

I pretty much agree.
Although maybe moving all the boxes instead of crushing them would have been a little nicer.

bobbygedd
11-12-2004, 03:13 PM
that's pretty funny, judging a man without walking in his shoes. tell you what, let's take all your clothes except for what you are wearing. put you on the street, no adress, no home, no phone,no money, nowhere to go. let me see you get a job. some of these folks also have health problems both mental and physical. boy you need to go see the wizard of oz, cus you need a heart!

bobbygedd
11-12-2004, 04:58 PM
your picture got deleted? o my goodness the word "pot" is against the rules, but posting pics of girls 99% naked, and talking about child abuse is not against the rules? o my ;)

ztoro
11-12-2004, 05:01 PM
...........poopy!

Turf Medic
11-12-2004, 05:13 PM
These people are homeless becaus they choose not work. Its not hard to get a job and find a cheap place to live. They are bums......


I make them do something before I give them a dollar... Dance, sing anything.... The joke is probably on us, half of these money beggars probably go back to there nice rent controlled apartment after collecting 100 bucks a days........

You sir are an idiot, do you really think that these people choose to live the way they do. They can't get assistance without an address, can't rent a place without references, can't get a job without an address and usually a phone number. Most of the American public is only a paycheck or two away from the street unless they have family that can take them in. Get sick, a bad divorce or death of a family member that sends you into a tailspin, and there you are living in a box. It's time to get over yourself and help your fellow man, be happy it's not you there having to beg for a few crumbs.

Jackman
11-12-2004, 05:15 PM
that's pretty funny, judging a man without walking in his shoes. tell you what, let's take all your clothes except for what you are wearing. put you on the street, no adress, no home, no phone,no money, nowhere to go. let me see you get a job. some of these folks also have health problems both mental and physical. boy you need to go see the wizard of oz, cus you need a heart!

Bobby said it all..... mental health problems are a big part of some homeless peoples lives and a large reason for being homeless..... After all what kinda person wants to shower once a year, beg for food,wear nasty cloathes and sleep in a card board box in the dead of winter.............ther something wrong there......

Back to Olylawnboy's question, Id leave that stuff even if it cost me the account...... I also wouldn't approach a homeless person for any reason as they are unpredictable....

ElephantNest
11-12-2004, 05:16 PM
that's pretty funny, judging a man without walking in his shoes. tell you what, let's take all your clothes except for what you are wearing. put you on the street, no adress, no home, no phone,no money, nowhere to go. let me see you get a job. some of these folks also have health problems both mental and physical. boy you need to go see the wizard of oz, cus you need a heart!

Not sure if you are referring to me or not. Let's just say you are, so I can respond.

I HAVE BEEN THERE. When I first moved out on my own, my GF and I lost our apartment, and everything in it. All we had were our clothes and our car. We slept in our car for over two weeks, while I worked and saved up enough to make a deposit on another place. You think anyone gave us a break? No, yet that didn't give us the right to refuse someone else from making their money.


As for moving the boxes instead of crushing them, no chance. They had plenty of opportunities to move them, we had already wasted time dealing with them and were 3 days behind because of it. Quickest way was the only answer so we could get to work. No way I was hand moving 10+ huts and all the junk with them.

ztoro
11-12-2004, 05:31 PM
You sir are an idiot, do you really think that these people choose to live the way they do. They can't get assistance without an address, can't rent a place without references, can't get a job without an address and usually a phone number. Most of the American public is only a paycheck or two away from the street unless they have family that can take them in. Get sick, a bad divorce or death of a family member that sends you into a tailspin, and there you are living in a box. It's time to get over yourself and help your fellow man, be happy it's not you there having to beg for a few crumbs.


Listen Dumba$$, excluding the mentally ill. Any smuck can get a job at mcdonalds...... For gods sake even people with learning disabilities can hold a job(taco bell ) Plenty of people work and live on a Micky D's salary... With the exceptiopn of the mentally ill, these bums are lazy a$$'s and dont want to work they would rather have hand outs....

Next time you give a bum a dollar follow him and see where spends it. it will not be at fast food place. Stop babying this lazy a$$'s, let them get a job.....

My brother in law is the laziest POS.... He sits around and takes handouts.. doesnt even make an attempt to work.. Last place he will be is under my roof watching my TV while I am working..... I feel for the ill, not the lazy....

There are plenty of programs for these bums to work and get a roof over there head they choose not to use them....

bobbygedd
11-12-2004, 05:31 PM
elephant, i was not reffering to you. but i'd like to respond on your "hardship" incident. HA HA HA HA HA HA. you had your health, A CAR , and someone by your side who cared about you! you have not "been there" my friend. i'll lay this on you briefly. a guy i know lost his job, his wife to cancer, his son (drowned) and his beautiful house all in the same year. it effected him so badly mentally, that this once productive, hustling, strong hard working , all around good dad and man, became a bumbling bucket of nerves. he was homeless for some time. thank god he had friends to take him in and help him, he may have starved or froze to death on the streets. in the end he died anyhow, a good man, but just couldn't deal with losing his loved ones and everything he owned. drank himself to death, but i believe the cause of death, was a broken heart. as i sit here drinking my beer, i pondered what to have for dinner. i got a fat rainbow trout thawed and ready to go, but my wife wants spagetti. ah hell with it, i'll make both. i thank god i have food to eat, my wife and kids, and a warm home. i have no problem sparing a few bucks. and if a job required me to bother homeless people, i'd not take that job.

ztoro
11-12-2004, 05:35 PM
With people who actually make attempts at working I can see helping them.. People who stand around waiting for hand outs can kiss my a$$.......

ztoro
11-12-2004, 05:38 PM
You sir are an idiot, do you really think that these people choose to live the way they do.


Lets see do I want to stick a needle in my arm and be a veg for the day or try to find a job?

I think they choose to be a veg......

CamLand
11-12-2004, 05:40 PM
Glad I live where there are no homeless people screwing up my universe. :angel:


How would you know???

bobbygedd
11-12-2004, 05:40 PM
Lets see do I want to stick a needle in my arm and be a veg for the day or try to find a job?

I think they choose to be a veg......
hey, don't knock it till you try it

ztoro
11-12-2004, 05:42 PM
hey, don't knock it till you try it
not knocking it, work 1st veg later.... priorities!!! :)

bobbygedd
11-12-2004, 05:44 PM
you see, what it boils down to is this: you drink cheap wine, you wake up with a hangover, can't work. the better stuff don't give you hangovers. next time give the bum a $50 instead of a quarter, maybe he'll be able to work

ElephantNest
11-12-2004, 06:03 PM
elephant, i was not reffering to you. but i'd like to respond on your "hardship" incident. HA HA HA HA HA HA. you had your health, A CAR , and someone by your side who cared about you! you have not "been there" my friend. i'll lay this on you briefly. a guy i know lost his job, his wife to cancer, his son (drowned) and his beautiful house all in the same year. it effected him so badly mentally, that this once productive, hustling, strong hard working , all around good dad and man, became a bumbling bucket of nerves. he was homeless for some time. thank god he had friends to take him in and help him, he may have starved or froze to death on the streets. in the end he died anyhow, a good man, but just couldn't deal with losing his loved ones and everything he owned. drank himself to death, but i believe the cause of death, was a broken heart. as i sit here drinking my beer, i pondered what to have for dinner. i got a fat rainbow trout thawed and ready to go, but my wife wants spagetti. ah hell with it, i'll make both. i thank god i have food to eat, my wife and kids, and a warm home. i have no problem sparing a few bucks. and if a job required me to bother homeless people, i'd not take that job.


I almost totally agree. but my health and someone who cared about me didn't get me squat. That didn't buy me one single meal, or one night in a hotel.

I too have lost a loved one, my fiancee passed away in my arms March 20th 1993, tough yes, very. Break me? No. Did I become a bum or a drunk? No. Some people are stronger than others. Some people are weak and give up. 99% of bums are WEAK and have given up. You telling me that they can stand on a corner all day, or walk from one side of town to the other, or all meet in the park, or any other numerous things they do; but they can't flip burgers, or wash windows, or pick up dog cr*p, or wash cars, or ANY thing that could earn them a few bucks besides begging? Hogwash.

Yes, I know, most have had a hard life, and can tell you their sad stories to make you think they have no choice to be where they are. but we all have sad stories, and many of us on these boards have had a hard life. It's not the hand you're dealt that makes or breaks you, it's how you play that hand out that counts.


Oh, and as for not working a job where I would have to disturb a bum, I had no choice, I worked for someone else, so my paycheck depended on it.

SunSwept
11-12-2004, 06:14 PM
We took care of a closed casino in New Orleans a few years ago, bums everywhere. They were asked to move, but wouldn't. We offered to take their little cardboard houses and move them to the other side of the parking lot, out of our way. They refused. This was a good paying job, we weren't going to let them ruin it for us. We watched them for a day or two while we worked in other areas of the property, and noticed they all went to the soup kitchen at 1:00 sharp. That's when we took the F250 to their little huts. I walked ahead making sure they were empty, and my partner plowed them over with the truck. Flattened every one of them. They "rebuilt" on the other side. Screw them, just because they're homeless doesn't mean I will let them make me homeless too. P.S., it was fun too.

If ever I get in a homeless situation I hope that I run into someone just like this person:

1) I would be ASKED to move
2) They would even offer to move my things for me to a place that would be 'out of the way'
3) When they did do what HAD to be done they would be concerned that I wasn't inside to be hurt.

Sounds fair and compassionate to me. If I didn't go along with this when I was caught "squatting" then I would be stupid.

bobbygedd
11-12-2004, 06:29 PM
well elephant, then i thank the lord that both you, and i, are strong people, and have overcome. some are not so strong.

jbell113
11-12-2004, 06:37 PM
The government has plenty of programs to help people who cant work. These people are out on the streets because they choose to.

bobbygedd
11-12-2004, 06:53 PM
my advice, don't talk till u walk in thier shoes. government programs huh? yea ok. i watched my sister and her 2 young kids get denied welfare, foodstamps, and medical aid when her husband became disabled. it's very convenient to be an "outside observer". did you ever have to go to the deli counter and ask for TWO SLICES OF BOLONY, so u can make your child a sandwich for school, and all you had was 50 cents in your pocket? don't talk trash, u never been there

ztoro
11-12-2004, 07:11 PM
my advice, don't talk till u walk in thier shoes. government programs huh? yea ok. i watched my sister and her 2 young kids get denied welfare, foodstamps, and medical aid when her husband became disabled. it's very convenient to be an "outside observer". did you ever have to go to the deli counter and ask for TWO SLICES OF BOLONY, so u can make your child a sandwich for school, and all you had was 50 cents in your pocket? don't talk trash, u never been there


Boohoo!!!!!!!!!! your sister could have chose to be a working mom.... she chose to stay at home(nothing wrong with that) and take care of the kids. Life is not a box of chocolates... I grew up in a working household. When my dad was laid off my mom still had her job and they had 3 kids and my grandmother to support. We(6 of us) grew up in a 3 bedroom home in the slums, my parents never stopped working. they looked poverty in the eyes and chose to get second and 3rd jobs rather than give up and collect unemployment. .. Everyone has the right to do what they want. But dont come crying when there is no money left because you made the decision to stay home rather than have a dual income household..... My work ethics would never allow me to be put out on the streets... If I had to I would work 3 or 4 different jobs............

bobbygedd
11-12-2004, 07:17 PM
working mom? ok, fine. husband mentally disabled. he can't watch kids. one has kindergarten half day, the other a full school day. ok, fine hire a babysitter. her having no marketable skills, her minimum wage job, WOULD NOT EVEN COVER THE BABY SITTERS FEES. get real. shut up. it must look rosey from the outside looking in.

ztoro
11-12-2004, 07:43 PM
working mom? ok, fine. husband mentally disabled. he can't watch kids. one has kindergarten half day, the other a full school day. ok, fine hire a babysitter. her having no marketable skills, her minimum wage job, WOULD NOT EVEN COVER THE BABY SITTERS FEES. get real. shut up. it must look rosey from the outside looking in.

i went to morning and afternoon sessions of kindergarten.. then went to an after school program...... I dont get your point


you get real.. everyone is given a chance at the same thing.... some take notice and others worry about when its to late....

cutnedge
11-12-2004, 07:44 PM
[QUOTE]You telling me that they can stand on a corner all day, or walk from one side of town to the other, or all meet in the park, or any other numerous things they do; but they can't flip burgers,or wash windows, or pick up dog cr*p, or wash cars, .

Why not add lawn and landscapingto the list? Would you hire one of them?

or ANYthing that could earn a few bucks besides begging

Now, if this guy decides to buy a cheap mower and starts cutting grass,you'd probably be the first person to label him a lowly scrub.

ztoro
11-12-2004, 07:46 PM
.

Why not add lawn and landscapingto the list? Would you hire one of them?
scrub.


I'd give em a job and if they didnt work I'd put right back on the corner.

Those that want to work do..... those that dont sponge off the rest of us.....

cutnedge
11-12-2004, 08:02 PM
[QUOTE]I make them do something before I give them a dollar... Dance, sing anything....

I must be mistaken. I thought you were in the lawncare business instead of a talent scout for the sho-biz industry.

ALarsh
11-12-2004, 08:06 PM
I'm with you ztoro. Everybody is given a somewhat fair chance at life. Its up to you to **** it up or not. God does throw some speed bumps in your path, but you have to overcome those.

SunSwept
11-12-2004, 08:08 PM
my advice, don't talk till u walk in thier shoes. government programs huh? yea ok. i watched my sister and her 2 young kids get denied welfare, foodstamps, and medical aid when her husband became disabled. it's very convenient to be an "outside observer". did you ever have to go to the deli counter and ask for TWO SLICES OF BOLONY, so u can make your child a sandwich for school, and all you had was 50 cents in your pocket? don't talk trash, u never been there

I can still remember the times when I was worried if the peanut butter would last until the end of the month ... the times that I would eat every other day just so it would last longer and so that the kids could eat every day. I have walk in shoes just as you describe. And I stepped out of them by finding work: trimming hedges and mowing lawns for a start. While I agree that govt programs didn't (wouldn't) help me ... I learned that the person I should be relying upon was .... ME.

Turf Medic
11-12-2004, 08:19 PM
Listen Dumba$$, excluding the mentally ill. Any smuck can get a job at mcdonalds...... For gods sake even people with learning disabilities can hold a job(taco bell ) Plenty of people work and live on a Micky D's salary... With the exceptiopn of the mentally ill, these bums are lazy a$$'s and dont want to work they would rather have hand outs....

Next time you give a bum a dollar follow him and see where spends it. it will not be at fast food place. Stop babying this lazy a$$'s, let them get a job.....

My brother in law is the laziest POS.... He sits around and takes handouts.. doesnt even make an attempt to work.. Last place he will be is under my roof watching my TV while I am working..... I feel for the ill, not the lazy....

There are plenty of programs for these bums to work and get a roof over there head they choose not to use them....

You are still an idiot, go a few days without a shower, and no money to wash your clothes, go to McDonalds, tell them you have no address, no phone number and you will have to walk to work, see if they will hire you. Would you hire someone that has those limitations to even pull weeds. Your comment you feel for the ill, how do you know by looking at someone if they are suffering from depression or anxiety, that can be more limiting than missing a limb etc. The people with learning disabilities that are working at Taco Bell, usually have a family member that cared enough to get them into a program that provides job training and help landing a job.

crawdad
11-12-2004, 08:22 PM
We took care of a closed casino in New Orleans a few years ago, bums everywhere. They were asked to move, but wouldn't. We offered to take their little cardboard houses and move them to the other side of the parking lot, out of our way. They refused. This was a good paying job, we weren't going to let them ruin it for us. We watched them for a day or two while we worked in other areas of the property, and noticed they all went to the soup kitchen at 1:00 sharp. That's when we took the F250 to their little huts. I walked ahead making sure they were empty, and my partner plowed them over with the truck. Flattened every one of them. They "rebuilt" on the other side. Screw them, just because they're homeless doesn't mean I will let them make me homeless too.......

Ok, you have rationalized most of it so far, at least to yourself...but...

.......P.S., it was fun too.

This is what I have a problem with. If you had truly "been there," you wouldn't have enjoyed it.
Crawdad

Creative Lawn Care
11-12-2004, 08:29 PM
I think we are using the term mentally ill here very loosely. Alot of these guys are Veterans. They have been through and seen things alot of us cannot even imagine. Sure these situations did not affect all soldiers to this extent but how can we judge those that it did!!?? I know there are lazy bums out there that would rather drink than work but we cant catorgarize all homless people this way. Bobby said it best, most of us have not walked in thier shoes.

DLCS
11-12-2004, 08:32 PM
You guys have some pretty warped views about the homeless. I wouldn't judge them until I walked in their shoes. You never know why they are homeless.

ElephantNest
11-12-2004, 08:44 PM
Amen, bobby.


CutNedge:

Me call someone a scrub for trying to make a living? Do me a favor......since you know me so well.....look through my 1400 posts and find me ONE POST where I called ANYONE a scrub. Do it......c'mon, let's see it.

On the contrary. You know what you will find? You will find posts with me defending some kid I don't even know, that others are calling a scrub. You will find me saying I'd rather see him doing lawns without being legal than to rob, steal, use/sell drugs. Go ahead, again, since you seem to know me so well, and I have almost 1400 posts, you should be able to find ONE post where I called someone a scrub, huh? Huh?

And crawdad, yes I enjoyed it, you know why? Not because they were homeless, or bums, but because they were ignorant asses, mean as Hell, and stubborn as a mule. Given every chance to simply move over some for everyone to be happy. But they thought they owned the lot they were in. They were wrong. I'd do it all over again tomorrow if they acted the same way. You know what we DIDN'T do? We didn't press charges, and we were told we had every right to. That would have made them lose what little things they had to scavengers, paid a fine, or sat in jail. Screw em.

ALarsh
11-12-2004, 09:00 PM
Amen, bobby.


CutNedge:

Me call someone a scrub for trying to make a living? Do me a favor......since you know me so well.....look through my 1400 posts and find me ONE POST where I called ANYONE a scrub. Do it......c'mon, let's see it.

On the contrary. You know what you will find? You will find posts with me defending some kid I don't even know, that others are calling a scrub. You will find me saying I'd rather see him doing lawns without being legal than to rob, steal, use/sell drugs. Go ahead, again, since you seem to know me so well, and I have almost 1400 posts, you should be able to find ONE post where I called someone a scrub, huh? Huh?

And crawdad, yes I enjoyed it, you know why? Not because they were homeless, or bums, but because they were ignorant asses, mean as Hell, and stubborn as a mule. Given every chance to simply move over some for everyone to be happy. But they thought they owned the lot they were in. They were wrong. I'd do it all over again tomorrow if they acted the same way. You know what we DIDN'T do? We didn't press charges, and we were told we had every right to. That would have made them lose what little things they had to scavengers, paid a fine, or sat in jail. Screw em.

You called yourself a scrub: http://lawnsite.com/showpost.php?p=571848&postcount=47

Just playin. :) :drinkup:

Turf Medic
11-12-2004, 09:07 PM
And crawdad, yes I enjoyed it, you know why? Not because they were homeless, or bums, but because they were ignorant asses, mean as Hell, and stubborn as a mule. Given every chance to simply move over some for everyone to be happy. But they thought they owned the lot they were in. They were wrong. I'd do it all over again tomorrow if they acted the same way. You know what we DIDN'T do? We didn't press charges, and we were told we had every right to. That would have made them lose what little things they had to scavengers, paid a fine, or sat in jail. Screw em.


So what you are saying the homeless people were more than likely trying to defend or hang on the little bit of dignity they had left, and you got off on running over it with a truck. You da man :rolleyes:

ElephantNest
11-12-2004, 09:10 PM
Busted! lol

I think I meant a scrub by LS standards, and clearly I was glad he was, instead of the other things I mentioned.

Defending what they had?? What they had could be moved 30 feet away and they would have STILL had their stuff. They chose the action, and had to deal with my reaction. Again, screw em. I had every right, legal, and morally to do what I did. And more.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/EleNest/stewie.gif

This has become quite the hot thread, eh? lol

ztoro
11-12-2004, 09:14 PM
You are still an idiot, go a few days without a shower, and no money to wash your clothes, go to McDonalds, tell them you have no address, no phone number and you will have to walk to work, see if they will hire you. Would you hire someone that has those limitations to even pull weeds. Your comment you feel for the ill, how do you know by looking at someone if they are suffering from depression or anxiety, that can be more limiting than missing a limb etc. The people with learning disabilities that are working at Taco Bell, usually have a family member that cared enough to get them into a program that provides job training and help landing a job.


you're still a dumba$$

I base my judgements on how many teeth they have.. the more teeth they have the less time they have been homeless... I once met a guy with one tooth. I asked him if he was looking for a job and how good his search was going. he spoke to me for about 10 minutes.. after his breath melted my eyelids and singed the hair off my face, I realized I didnt understand one thing he said....

I have sympathy for those who end up homeless because of the twists life can have but for those who are lazy and expect handouts, f' em.
I am saving for myself and family in case times ever get rough for us.... I will not expect people who are successful to dig into there hard earned money and give it to me out of pity.... I'll clean there pool, clean there yard and then accept the money....

Signed the Idiot

Turf Medic
11-12-2004, 09:18 PM
Defending what they had?? What they had could be moved 30 feet away and they would have STILL had their stuff. They chose the action, and had to deal with my reaction. Again, screw em. I had every right, legal, and morally to do what I did. And more.

This has become quite the hot thread, eh? lol


So if someone comes up to you and orders you to move your truck and trailer, or move from the table you are sitting at, you just smile and move. I would bet not. When you are dealing with the homeless people you are dealing with people that don't have the same perceptions as you do. Quite possibly in their mind, the property they were nesting on was their property. Not right, but possibly what they were feeling at the time, and you may be correct about it being legal what you did, but I don't really think on any planet what you did was morally correct.

ztoro
11-12-2004, 09:23 PM
Quite possibly in their mind, the property they were nesting on was their property. Not right, but possibly what they were feeling at the time, and you may be correct about it being legal what you did, but I don't really think on any planet what you did was morally correct.


One time I stole ten bucks out of my dads dresser, he always asked me to speak to him before I went thru his things.... He caught me in his dresser a second time and laid a b!tch slap on me I will never forget...

So you could say that there is now way I would let a truck run over my house again. Once was enough.

Turf Medic
11-12-2004, 09:25 PM
I have sympathy for those who end up homeless because of the twists life can have but for those who are lazy and expect handouts, f' em.


So tell me when you drive by the guy on the corner looking for a couple of bucks for some food, you can tell if he is homeless because of twists in life or if he is lazy. I would appreciate it if you could clue me in as to the criteria that identifies the person as having has some twists in his life and not just lazy. :dizzy:

ztoro
11-12-2004, 09:29 PM
So tell me when you drive by the guy on the corner looking for a couple of bucks for some food, you can tell if he is homeless because of twists in life or if he is lazy. I would appreciate it if you could clue me in as to the criteria that identifies the person as having has some twists in his life and not just lazy. :dizzy:


Actually I dont pay attention to any of them.

Memo to all homeless reading this post on your wireless palm pilots..

if you have received an unfair advantage in life I feel sorry for you...

PS. I am still not giving you a dollar though.....

I am Ztoro and I approve this message

crawdad
11-12-2004, 09:31 PM
Busted! lol

I think I meant a scrub by LS standards, and clearly I was glad he was, instead of the other things I mentioned.

Defending what they had?? What they had could be moved 30 feet away and they would have STILL had their stuff. They chose the action, and had to deal with my reaction. Again, screw em. I had every right, legal, and morally to do what I did. And more.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/EleNest/stewie.gif

This has become quite the hot thread, eh? lol

is that you in the picture? A little A-200 will clear that up.

Lots of things are legal, doesn't make it right.
Crawdad

ALarsh
11-12-2004, 09:48 PM
Actually I dont pay attention to any of them.

Memo to all homeless reading this post on your wireless palm pilots..

if you have received an unfair advantage in life I feel sorry for you...

PS. I am still not giving you a dollar though.....

I am Ztoro and I approve this message

Amen! LMAO

Norm Al
11-12-2004, 09:52 PM
http://students.brenau.edu/fswebclass/Stimpy_files/image016.jpg

ALarsh
11-12-2004, 09:53 PM
http://students.brenau.edu/fswebclass/Stimpy_files/image016.jpg

Why are you just posting pictures in this thread and in some other ones also?

fga
11-12-2004, 09:58 PM
Norm..
when was the last time you poted a picture that was even Slightly related to the thread? :) ;)

Norm Al
11-12-2004, 09:59 PM
hmmm this picture says more than what many of you guys have said in this thread!

ElephantNest
11-12-2004, 10:00 PM
So if someone comes up to you and orders you to move your truck and trailer, or move from the table you are sitting at, you just smile and move. I would bet not. When you are dealing with the homeless people you are dealing with people that don't have the same perceptions as you do. Quite possibly in their mind, the property they were nesting on was their property. Not right, but possibly what they were feeling at the time, and you may be correct about it being legal what you did, but I don't really think on any planet what you did was morally correct.


So after THREE DAYS of harrasment by my company, the property owners, AND the police, you think they still thought it was THEIR property? LMFAO

You people are friggin pushovers. The simple FACT that they were homeless is the ONLY reason it lasted as long as it did, and the ONLY reason they weren't arrested, and the ONLY reason I didn't smack them around. My God, are you people listening to yourselves?? They were TRESPASSING on private property, they were jerks on top of that, and they STILL got another, and another, and another chance to simply MOVE their things.....so we could ALL live in peace and harmony, holding hands and singing bum songs by the bum fires. *Sigh

lawnman_scott
11-12-2004, 10:02 PM
I dont know how or why they got there, but I used to mow a strip mall that had a work today/pay today place in it. Most that worked there were homeless, and would always ask if we needed help. One guy came and asked as he drank his natrual ice at 6 am. It used to suck to be blowing, because they would sit outside on the curb and wait to be called, well along we came with the blower and no one ever moved.

fga
11-12-2004, 10:02 PM
hmmm this picture says more than what many of you guys have said in this thread!
next time you start a thread... watch. :cool: there are going to be pictures of everything on it. Go ahead, i have a whole file of crap.

Norm Al
11-12-2004, 10:03 PM
and by the way,,,,most bums are bums because they want to be! (now thats not all of them but most them)

this world has way to many programs to help them out if they truly didnt want to be a bum!

Norm Al
11-12-2004, 10:05 PM
fga your wish is my command!:)

precisioncut
11-12-2004, 11:04 PM
This is quite the thread. Very interesting to see all kinds of views.

I have never walked a mile in thier shoes and I hope I will never have to. But I Have known a few over the years. One man I new was a Vet and he chose to be homeless after his wife left him. He did what he had to do to survive and to get another "drink."
But believe me, he was the kindest man i knew. He would do anything for ya. He was acutally my uncles best friend.

The rest I knew did the same thing. Did what they had to do to survive and to purchase more liquor. It's sad thinking that they are that way, but alot are, Not all!

I will buy a meal, offer clothing, or something that will be useful but I won't hand over money for that exact reason. If I ever need a loaborer to do some little stuff and one is there, I will offer up the work.

Turf Medic
11-12-2004, 11:10 PM
So after THREE DAYS of harrasment by my company, the property owners, AND the police, you think they still thought it was THEIR property? LMFAO

You people are friggin pushovers. The simple FACT that they were homeless is the ONLY reason it lasted as long as it did, and the ONLY reason they weren't arrested, and the ONLY reason I didn't smack them around. My God, are you people listening to yourselves?? They were TRESPASSING on private property, they were jerks on top of that, and they STILL got another, and another, and another chance to simply MOVE their things.....so we could ALL live in peace and harmony, holding hands and singing bum songs by the bum fires. *Sigh

If they were in fact tresspassing, why did the police leave it to you to move them. If they were there illegally the cops would have loaded them up and physically moved them.

ztoro
11-12-2004, 11:15 PM
If they were in fact tresspassing, why did the police leave it to you to move them. If they were there illegally the cops would have loaded them up and physically moved them.


yeah the cops want to waste their time arresting them and fining them....


Waste some more of our tax money.....

ElephantNest
11-12-2004, 11:15 PM
Like I said before, when the cops came is the only time they would move, but as soon as the cops left...yup, you guessed it, they came right back. Cops said they aren't babysitters, press charges or quit calling us. We didn't want the guys arrested. And NONE of their stuff was actually damaged, only the boxes. They were eating at the time, remember? Do you think a bum would go off and leave everything he owns in a box with other bums around waiting to scoop it up? I think not. Grow some nads people!

I can just hear the flack I'd be getting now if I posted that I pressed charges on the guys, sent them to the slammer, and they lost their junk to another bum. Wow, that would have been the thing to do, huh??

Turf Medic
11-12-2004, 11:26 PM
P.S., it was fun too.

This is the biggest problem I had with your post. A person has to do what a person has to do, but there are some things you just shouldn't enjoy. Like spanking a child, evicting a tennant, firing an employee, and trashing a bum's home. Time to grow up.

ElephantNest
11-12-2004, 11:50 PM
LMFAO

Hmmm, don't judge me by what I take pleasure in. I've taken great pleasure in evicting a low-life scum, thieving, no-rent paying tenant for a friend's father. I've also taken pleasure ( and relief ) in firing worthless employees. Damn straight, pleasure is knowing no more time will be wasted retraining and retraining, waiting for him on late days, etc. etc. GREAT pleasure in that. Even though I had no replacement yet for him, it was a huge burden lifted, so sue me for taking pleasure in it. Also, sue me for taking pleasure in removing a bum tenant that did nothing for anyone, and letting a good man repair and re-rent his dead mother's home to a tenant that would actually PAY him.


Spanking a child? No kids here. But I bet if I did have kids, and chose to spank them, I'd find some pleasure in it. I always look for the bright sides of things. 8)

cutnedge
11-12-2004, 11:59 PM
[QUOTE=ElephantNest]


CutNedge:

Me call someone a scrub for trying to make a living? Do me a favor......since you know me so well.....look through my 1400 posts and find me ONE POST where I called ANYONE a scrub. Do it......c'mon, let's see it.

On the contrary. You know what you will find? You will find posts with me defending some kid I don't even know, that others are calling a scrub. You will find me saying I'd rather see him doing lawns without being legal than to rob, steal, use/sell drugs. Go ahead, again, since you seem to know me so well, and I have almost 1400 posts, you should be able to find ONE post where I called someone a scrub, huh? Huh?

Know you? I don't give a **** about you or your "almost 1400 posts." If I jumped the gun on the scrub issue, well, I'll just go ahead and apologize now 'cause I aint about to go through 1400 posts to prove my claim. Instead I'll look for something more enjoyable to do. But it won't be demolishing a homless persons cardboard house. Not my kinda fun.

ElephantNest
11-13-2004, 12:38 AM
Don't be immature. You know good and well I didn't go out looking to smash some bum's home. You're damn right you don't know me, or the volunteer work I do in my town, or the pets we have saved from shelters, or the many people I have helped when things were tough, or any part of the way I live my life. So go away, stop trying to make such a ig deal out of this. Lemme guess, you would have risked being fired and stood up for the bum's right to squat on private property, defy the law, the owner, and the work crew? You da man!

HOOLIE
11-13-2004, 01:09 AM
The homeless are a resourceful bunch, if nothing else. They probably had their new shanty town up and running 15 minutes after you left. A post-lunch fifth of whiskey later they probably forgot all about it...

cutnedge
11-13-2004, 01:42 AM
ElephantNest,

From the looks of your posts, you're trying reallyhard to justify your actions in the homeless incident. Add your posts in this thread and then add mine. I wonder who it is that won't let it rest.

Again, why are you still trying to give me your auto-biography when I spelled it out to you so clearly in my last post that I don't want it? If it makes you feel better, you can have the title of "da man". Hell, you've had it since your Post Script.

ElephantNest
11-13-2004, 01:47 AM
Look smart guy, a question was asked, I responded. You didn't like what I said, so YOU decided to flame me for it. Don't cry now.

JKOOPERS
11-13-2004, 03:51 AM
when ever i see homeless people i honk my horn and they come over to the truck and i tell them to get a F*****g job. i work for a living so can they .

crawdad
11-13-2004, 07:06 AM
.......

I can just hear the flack I'd be getting now if I posted that I pressed charges on the guys, sent them to the slammer, and they lost their junk to another bum. Wow, that would have been the thing to do, huh??

I don't think that, as an employee, you could have pressed charges anyways, so don't make a big deal out of being so nice to them, as far as not pressing charges.
Crawdad

ElephantNest
11-13-2004, 08:49 AM
You don't think? That's because you don't know. Haven't you ever been taught not to chime in about things you have no clue about? Seeing as I was crew leader, with only one worker with me, the cops asked US, and my co-worker said "Ask Steve, that's up to him". So........I'd venture to say that I COULD have pressed charges, being that they asked me if I wanted to....you think?? But of course, 10 years later, and many states away, you would know best.

This is such a joke. I promise, 90% of you hypocrits would have done the same thing I did when faced with these idiots daring you to move them. My God, just because they were friggin homeless, that gives them MORE rights than a regular citizen? More rights than someone trying to make an honest living? Get a clue.

When I was a teenager, there was a homeless bum in the French Quater that everyone knew. REALLY nice guy. Had an old OLD bike with a basket that he kept everything in. Well, one weekend we ran into him with no bike. It was stolen, with everything he owned. I was in 10th grade I think. I started a money drive for this guy, from just kids I knew and their parents, 4 days later we were able to buy him a brand new bike, with a huge basket, with a super duper lock. He cried. It was one of the best feelings I had ever felt.

So it's about the person, not the situation. If he had been a jerk, he would have gotten nothing. Simple as that. Kind is kind, homeless or not.

ztoro
11-13-2004, 09:42 AM
The homeless are a resourceful bunch, if nothing else. They probably had their new shanty town up and running 15 minutes after you left. A post-lunch fifth of whiskey later they probably forgot all about it...


lol ..................

ztoro
11-13-2004, 09:43 AM
when ever i see homeless people i honk my horn and they come over to the truck and i tell them to get a F*****g job. i work for a living so can they .


LMAO................................

DSIM
11-13-2004, 10:16 AM
There are two camps of people on this thread.

All the guys on here that feel its okay to trash the Homeless and feel like they are just lazy bums, are I feel, John Kerry supporting, Socialist, Left-wing, Needing to move to Canada, Flip-Flopping, Liberal Demoncrats.

All the people on here who have been standing up for compassion for these folks have to be red-blooded, USA loving, Prez GWB supporting, Patriotic, Conservative Republicans!!!

Remember; IT'S THE MORALS STUPID!!!!

Gr grass n Hi tides
11-13-2004, 01:46 PM
ElephantNest - You handled the situation like a coward. Wait until you see the homeless guys go to lunch at 1:00 "which you know is their usual time to eat" then when they're gone go over and "have fun" driving a truck over their shelters (and brag about it) + hide behind your "legal entitlement" to do so. That is cowardly and mean-hearted. Speaks volumes about the kind of man you are. Doing something just because you can & telling the entire LS community "to grow some nads." Also this - "if I spanked a child I would probably get some pleasure from it." This is not your finest moment. There's a lot more I could say but I'll leave it at that. Maybe you have done some good deeds over the years. Fine enough, but trashing those shelters then coming on here to brag about it is wrong.

proenterprises
11-13-2004, 01:55 PM
elephant-what you did was wrong, and was immature, its like robbing a blind man. we have many properties in some questionable areas and have seen my share of the homeless over time. they usually are very understanding, for the simple reason that i am not an ******* to them. one day, when I went to one I happened to have a box of donuts that were left over from earlier, i offered them to the guys and they never caused a problem, its a mutual understanding with them, their not out to make our lives hell, they are human.

wojo23323
11-13-2004, 02:15 PM
So a lot of people are slamming elephant for crushing some homeless peoples disease infested shacks. Those people set up their shacks on someones property. What would you do if they set up home on your property. Ask them to leave? call police? They don't listen, they keep coming back. So now you have 20 people living on your property making a mess. I would do whatever it takes to get them off of my property.

lawnman_scott
11-13-2004, 02:16 PM
http://nydailynews.com/front/story/252382p-216043c.html
How is it that a homeless guy with no money aquired a gun? And then shoots a guy who had helped him.

bobbygedd
11-13-2004, 02:21 PM
elephant-what you did was wrong, and was immature, its like robbing a blind man. we have many properties in some questionable areas and have seen my share of the homeless over time. they usually are very understanding, for the simple reason that i am not an ******* to them. one day, when I went to one I happened to have a box of donuts that were left over from earlier, i offered them to the guys and they never caused a problem, its a mutual understanding with them, their not out to make our lives hell, they are human.
what's wrong with robbing a blind guy? if he wasn't so lazy, he wouldn't be blind. it's not my fault he's blind. in fact, if you have to rob SOMEBODY, may as well be him. he can't identify you, can't describe the getaway car, and won't know how much you stole from him.

ztoro
11-13-2004, 03:29 PM
There are two camps of people on this thread.

All the guys on here that feel its okay to trash the Homeless and feel like they are just lazy bums, are I feel, John Kerry supporting, Socialist, Left-wing, Needing to move to Canada, Flip-Flopping, Liberal Demoncrats.

All the people on here who have been standing up for compassion for these folks have to be red-blooded, USA loving, Prez GWB supporting, Patriotic, Conservative Republicans!!!

Remember; IT'S THE MORALS STUPID!!!!


Your dumb..

Theory is Wrong... I support Bush... Kerry is the one that wants to take from the rich and give to the poor.....

ztoro
11-13-2004, 03:35 PM
ElephantNest - You handled the situation like a coward. Wait until you see the homeless guys go to lunch at 1:00 "which you know is their usual time to eat" then when they're gone go over and "have fun" driving a truck over their shelters (and brag about it) + hide behind your "legal entitlement" to do so. That is cowardly and mean-hearted. Speaks volumes about the kind of man you are. Doing something just because you can & telling the entire LS community "to grow some nads." Also this - "if I spanked a child I would probably get some pleasure from it." This is not your finest moment. There's a lot more I could say but I'll leave it at that. Maybe you have done some good deeds over the years. Fine enough, but trashing those shelters then coming on here to brag about it is wrong.


RIGHT, Go argue with a disease infested druggy.. So he can either stab you with his dirty needle or shoot you.... then you can go home and tell your wife you got aids because had to argue with the a bum...

ElephantNest
11-13-2004, 03:36 PM
ElephantNest - You handled the situation like a coward. Wait until you see the homeless guys go to lunch at 1:00 "which you know is their usual time to eat" then when they're gone go over and "have fun" driving a truck over their shelters (and brag about it) + hide behind your "legal entitlement" to do so. That is cowardly and mean-hearted. Speaks volumes about the kind of man you are. Doing something just because you can & telling the entire LS community "to grow some nads." Also this - "if I spanked a child I would probably get some pleasure from it." This is not your finest moment. There's a lot more I could say but I'll leave it at that. Maybe you have done some good deeds over the years. Fine enough, but trashing those shelters then coming on here to brag about it is wrong.


WAAAAAAAAAAAA


Cry me a friggin river. Maybe you only read the parts that make you feel better about yourself taking the "high road". Like was mentioned, what if it was your property? Let it slide? LMAO Wuss.

Again, it was a friggin bunch of BOXES. LMFAO

It was in a warehouse district, with TONS, literally TONS of stacked boxes everywhere. Just exactly like the ones we flattened. Cowardly thing to do? Again, LMAO. Cowardly would have been to smack them around in their drunken stupor. Yes, grow some nads! You'd let some nasty, drunk, belligerent bum keep you from completing a job? Where would it end?

These idiots got back from lunch, saw what had happened, and instantly went about 50 yards away and gathered BRAND NEW shiny boxes for their new humble dwellings. guess where they set them up? Right where we had told them to move to in the first place. Those poor poor guys.

Get real.

ElephantNest
11-13-2004, 03:52 PM
I've got a question for you that think I was "so mean!" ( Waaaaaaaa )

What if it was a group of thugs, little punks, that refused to get out of your way? Maybe they were doing crack or looking at dirty mags in the hideout of a box shelter. Whatever, but they were jerks to you about moving in the first place, though you had every right to ask them to move. Would you give them THREE days to comply? No? Why not?

I was raised to handle thing myself, not call the police for every little thing. So that option is out. Walk away? Stand your ground? Why are the homeless above any other class of people? I can tell you that if one of the little punks spoke to us like like a few of the bums did, they would have been limping home carrying their teeth. So we used MORE than normal restraint dealing with these guys, no? Don't you agree that it sounds like they had EVERY chance to move over a bit? So in the end, no one went to jail, no one lost all of their belongings, and we got our work done, got paid, and they had to spend 20 minutes or so restacking a new hut. Wow, I could be hitler's offspring!

1MajorTom
11-13-2004, 04:30 PM
Great,
Now we have the same people arguing back and forth. We all have our own views on how we look at a homeless person. Some feel compassion, others are disgusted. Either way, we aren't getting anywhere going back and forth like this. Your comment Elephant that you had "fun" wrecking a homeless persons belongings, is probably what upset some people. Fun to me is going out to the movies, enjoying a good meal, seeing my kids laugh and play, etc.... We all have our own definition of fun though.
I'd say everyone had a chance to speak their piece, no need to carry it any further.