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DiscoveryLawn
11-14-2004, 01:07 AM
The Ohio Department of Agriculture Pesticide Control Specialist inspected my records the other day. He said I was 95% complient and only asked that I change a few small things in my record keeping to make things clearer. My office is in my home and my actual shop is at another location. He was here for three hours going over my records and ran out of time to go down to my shop for an inspection there. I am sure if he had, everything would have been fine though. :rolleyes:

Just so you guys know ...he said they are really cracking down on un-licensed LCO's and landscapers applying pesticides. He says when he sees a company truck he does not recognize, he writes down the name and phone number on the truck and checks to see if they are certified. If not, they can expect a visit.

For those who are certified but have not been visited in the past... expect a visit soon. They are trying to contact all licensed applicators in there data base to do an inspection. He said if you are licensed don't worry, he will help you get up to complience if you are not already. Its the guys that are applying without a license that need to worry.

David

kootoomootoo
11-14-2004, 01:37 AM
I got inspected this year too. Said pretty much the same thing.

James Cormier
11-14-2004, 12:24 PM
When I had my records inspection, the guy asked if I would allow him to ride with me for a day to watch how I apply. I said.......umm....do I have to? He said he would call me later in the year to hook up.

Then about a month later I was doing a McDonalds lawn, and he was in the parking lot eating lunch, so he watched me do the lawn, then just as I was leaving he pulled up and we talked a little bit, and he said that was good enought for him, just watching me at one lawn......I thought whew!!!

DiscoveryLawn
11-14-2004, 12:39 PM
When I had my records inspection, the guy asked if I would allow him to ride with me for a day to watch how I apply. I said.......umm....do I have to? He said he would call me later in the year to hook up.

I wonder if they do that around here. I hope they do. You should see how some of the ding-bats treat a lawn around here. I have never seen so many streaked lawns through-out my area as I have this year.

I do not know if I think riding along is something I would support. But I am all for following me and others to a lawn to observe our work.

David

DiscoveryLawn
11-14-2004, 12:42 PM
OK How do you guys quote some one else's post so it automatically puts the quote in that shaded box with the author of the post attributed to it???

David

DLS1
11-14-2004, 01:12 PM
OK How do you guys quote some one else's post so it automatically puts the quote in that shaded box with the author of the post attributed to it???

David

Look at your post I just quoted. You see the word "Quote" that is in a green box at the bottom right hand corner. Just select it and you to can quote just like me.

:) :)

DiscoveryLawn
11-14-2004, 02:17 PM
Look at your post I just quoted. You see the word "Quote" that is in a green box at the bottom right hand corner. Just select it and you to can quote just like me.

:) :)

Thank you DLS1. I don't know why I have not noticed that before.

David

grassman2001
11-14-2004, 10:00 PM
What kind of things do they look for when they do their inspections of your records and your warehouse

DiscoveryLawn
11-15-2004, 12:26 AM
If you still have your study material... everything in the section about record keeping, notification, handeling and storage. He had several forms with checklists and he went down them item by item.

He checked
-Posting signs?
-business license appropriately displayed?
-does technitions have appropriate license in each category required for target and pesticide being applied?
-requirements for trained serviceman met?
-reviewed application records

There were many other things he went over these are just a few. You get the picture though.

He did not have time to inspect my wharehouse. I'll let you know how that goes when he does.

David

kickin sum grass
11-15-2004, 08:41 AM
So my question is, How did he contact you for the initial inspection? Did he see you driving around and got your name and number or did he just do a randem call and it was your turn?

James Cormier
11-15-2004, 09:06 AM
So my question is, How did he contact you for the initial inspection? Did he see you driving around and got your name and number or did he just do a randem call and it was your turn?

Phone book, I was just the lucky one to get picked that time. I have also been pulled over by a inspector back a few years ago, Well he followed me to my next stop and inspected my truck and my leave behind info.

Thats what there concerned with the most, is what we are leaving behind with the customers and making sure our information is correct on house numbers. According to what Ive been told by them is there biggest problem with us is applying to the wrong property. That causes them the most grief from the public.

bobbygedd
11-15-2004, 09:30 AM
it's all stupid anyhow. i attended an 8 hour course , we spent like 1.5 hrs discussing record keeping. i did everything the way i was taught in the course (given by the state), and when i was inspected, they told me i was doing it wrong.

DiscoveryLawn
11-15-2004, 11:00 AM
I saw the inspector at a class and he said he had stopped by my shop to inspect me but I was never there when he was. At that time he thought I was still under my old name. When he saw that I was actually Discovery Lawn he said that he had seen my truck and wrote down my name and phone # and was going to contact me to inspect me not realizing that I was also the other company he was already trying to contact.

David

pema
12-06-2004, 02:50 PM
Just had my inspection today. Things went well with just a few changes to be made on record keeping.

I had a nice talk with the guy from Dept of Ag. He said much the same regarding crack down on unlicensed applicators but also they are going to crack down heavily on applicators who treat for Grubs and other pests when it isn't necessary. If you treat for Grubs the Dept of Ag wants to make sure your treating only for the turf damaging variety of grubs and that treatment is done at the proper time of year.

Dman1214
12-06-2004, 02:59 PM
What about merit applications - are they OK to apply? obviously put down as a preventive.

bobbygedd
12-06-2004, 03:03 PM
no, merit is not ok. you have to be able TO SHOW THEM the target pest, and show them that they exceeded the threshold level

pema
12-06-2004, 03:16 PM
no, merit is not ok. you have to be able TO SHOW THEM the target pest, and show them that they exceeded the threshold level

Grub Control is abused as an "upsell" by a few companies to an otherwise "Cheap" lawn care program. I think they just want to make sure the treatment is needed to control pest and not just to boost revenue!

Had several homeowners (now new customers) call me this year because they knew the difference between a hole in the ground created by an emerging Cicada and not a sign they had Grubs as they were told by their former Lawn Treatment Company. At $325.00 or more a Pop, I wonder how many other homeowners bought the service?

philk17088
12-06-2004, 07:47 PM
no, merit is not ok. you have to be able TO SHOW THEM the target pest, and show them that they exceeded the threshold level

I thought that the label is the law and if the label gives preventative rates it is legal. How the hang are you going to predict where grubs are going to be May?

James Cormier
12-06-2004, 09:01 PM
I thought that the label is the law and if the label gives preventative rates it is legal. How the hang are you going to predict where grubs are going to be May?

Phil, you are right, no inspector can stop us from using a preventive material that is legal and is applied correctly by a licensed applicator. Now if the state is going to change the law, thats a different story, but I don't see it happening with Merit.

What your reading is what some people interpret as the law.

Plus using merit as a example, its far more environmentally logical to apply that product at the recommended rates and times then to solve the grub ( or any insect on the label ) with curative products.

SodKing
12-06-2004, 09:42 PM
Phone book, I was just the lucky one to get picked that time. I have also been pulled over by a inspector back a few years ago, Well he followed me to my next stop and inspected my truck and my leave behind info.

Thats what there concerned with the most, is what we are leaving behind with the customers and making sure our information is correct on house numbers. According to what Ive been told by them is there biggest problem with us is applying to the wrong property. That causes them the most grief from the public.



I have been licensed in MA for 15 years and have never seen an inspector. Now NH on the other hand I'm inspected 1 time per year at the warehouse though I haven't seen them for about 3 years in the field.

YardPro
12-08-2004, 11:44 PM
Phil, you are right, no inspector can stop us from using a preventive material that is legal and is applied correctly by a licensed applicator. Now if the state is going to change the law, thats a different story, but I don't see it happening with Merit.

What your reading is what some people interpret as the law.

Plus using merit as a example, its far more environmentally logical to apply that product at the recommended rates and times then to solve the grub ( or any insect on the label ) with curative products.


bingo
here they recomend prevention.
for grubs and chinch bugs as well.

if you use the product as labled you will have no problems.

bobbygedd
12-09-2004, 07:45 AM
i was told, at my last state class, that the law here will be changing in 2-3 yrs. there will be no more "preventative" aplications. before you treat, you must identify your pest, and conclude, using state standards, that it exceeds threshold levels, then you may treat. in some cases THEY WILL require that if stopped, on site, YOU MUST be able to show the inspector the pest. good luck producing 5+ grubs per sq ft in june when you;'re applying your merit.

James Cormier
12-09-2004, 07:55 AM
i was told, at my last state class, that the law here will be changing in 2-3 yrs. there will be no more "preventative" aplications. before you treat, you must identify your pest, and conclude, using state standards, that it exceeds threshold levels, then you may treat. in some cases THEY WILL require that if stopped, on site, YOU MUST be able to show the inspector the pest. good luck producing 5+ grubs per sq ft in june when you;'re applying your merit.

Bobby, I think you and I had this conversation this winter, at that time you said you had a inside source telling you that. Personally I think their just trying to get you all revved up.

Like mentioned above, in some cases its far better for the environment to prevent, then to wait till populations get out of control, I think most rational people understand this. The person feeding you this info is not being rational. Like I suggested before, pass this info on to PLACCA or you local ( state ) lawn care association.


Now if this was Canada then we would be talking a different story.

Im not worried about applying a product according to its label, and I dont think the state is as well, from when I had my inspection, they seem to be more worried about unlicensed applicators , and applications made to the wrong property.

SodKing
12-09-2004, 08:05 AM
According to the RSA's as written in NH the label is the law. As it stands now NH law, as no exceptions are written against it, the label must be followed as written. During my laast on site inspection I was sited for NOT watering the lawn after a treatment with Merit. It was written on the label that the product must be watered in after treatment.

It will take a wholesale change in FIFRA and the state regs to change the stipulation that the label must ge followed.