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Dman1214
11-18-2004, 09:54 AM
Trugreen's #1 man Don Karnes and #2 man Dave Slott left Trugreen. That part was broken yesterday. What I have found out was they were escorted out of their annual meetings in Florida this week. It was discovered that they secretly invest big $'s in a "green industry venture." More details to follow.

MrBarefoot
11-18-2004, 10:04 AM
Where did you read this?

Dman1214
11-18-2004, 10:33 AM
The company they are forming is supposedly going to be based in the Midwest. This makes sense because thats where they are orginally from. They started together with trugreen around 1980 and are very close. There will others that will follow I'm sure. Conference call within TG/CL happening addressing the issue as I write.

Green Dreams
11-18-2004, 02:59 PM
I heard they were canned but don't know why. That is funny. Ol Slott....this guy comes up to me in '90 or so and sticks his hand out and says.."hello." I introduce myself and as we are shaking hands, I lean in and say "...And you ARE?" Then I say.." I think I have seen your name somewhere." I was 23 and too cocky for my own good. He was nice to me but you know...most roaches are...lol

These guys are realizing what I already knew...there is a better way to do this.

TSM
11-18-2004, 03:33 PM
Trugreen's #1 man Don Karnes and #2 man Dave Slott left Trugreen. That part was broken yesterday. What I have found out was they were escorted out of their annual meetings in Florida this week. It was discovered that they secretly invest big $'s in a "green industry venture." More details to follow.
Dman, just curious, what, if any, ramification do you feel this will have on the smaller company (not the new venture, unless you see something there that will affect smaller companies, but Trugreen with new leadership?)

Green Dreams
11-18-2004, 03:33 PM
I thoguht they were all in Dallas this week. Still good stuff...

Dman1214
11-18-2004, 03:45 PM
TSM, Karnes has been there for like 25 years, he goes back to Trugreen's early roots. I believe with him gone, there may be an opportunity for them to clean up there act service wise. they certainly can't get any worse. when TG bought CL they systematically got rid of the CL people, who in my opinion had a far superior commitment to agronomics and cust service. Maybe some of that has a chance to return? I can think of a few people in that organization that will join them I'm sure. the conference call with all management was just a BS PR show to reassure all is well in TGland.

Green Dreams
11-18-2004, 04:28 PM
You are right on about the CL people. They were kickin TGs arse in quality back then...

TSM
11-18-2004, 05:13 PM
TSM, Karnes has been there for like 25 years, he goes back to Trugreen's early roots. I believe with him gone, there may be an opportunity for them to clean up there act service wise. they certainly can't get any worse. when TG bought CL they systematically got rid of the CL people, who in my opinion had a far superior commitment to agronomics and cust service. Maybe some of that has a chance to return? I can think of a few people in that organization that will join them I'm sure. the conference call with all management was just a BS PR show to reassure all is well in TGland.
Agreed. Trugreen has always had a bad rep within the industry. My thinking is that they never would have grown to where they are without the many companies they bought out. I remember my days in Chemlawn we always prided ourselves on growth by service ....rather than Trugreen's growth by purchase.

But, just when we think they cant get any worse...i can see that happening. I guess time will tell.

As far as Karnes' new 'industry venture'....you think we will see another marketing company that happens to spread fert on the horizon?

Dman1214
11-18-2004, 06:26 PM
it will be interesting to see what specifically they have going on. I don;t think it can be a start up enterprise. What comes to mind (and this is total conjecture on my part), is they got backing to acquire a regional player or franchise group. SpringGreen comes to mind, some one like that. In any event, i don't think the east coast needs to be concerned. i will try and learn more.

kootoomootoo
11-19-2004, 09:06 AM
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Dman1214
11-19-2004, 09:14 AM
Koo, I agree. I think that may be problematic for them. TG can get serious about their non-competes, especially at that level. I do not have info yet on what specific line of business they will be going into. But, don't forget, Karnes was incharge of Landcare as well as TG/CL. So the landscaping end is affected. Also Servicemaster has terminix, so that would kick in the clause. Maybe they're just going to say F'em!

vegomatic40
11-25-2004, 08:00 AM
I'm not sure that the departure of Karnes and Slott will have that great of an effect on the way that Trugreen conducts business. Since Chemlawn was a privately held company, the owners could basically do what they thought was right for the customers, employees and the company. Trugreen must be accountable to the stockholders and they largely do not know or care how it is done, only the bottom line is understood. I for one hope that things stay status-quo so that the seemingly inexhaustable flow of ex-customers of theirs continues to come my way. They may make minor improvements but, I still believe that until a major player purchases the company things will stay basically the same.

Dman1214
11-25-2004, 08:11 AM
Hey,Vego! I agree, they are beholden to the shareholders where profit is king. They run their business with little deference to quality, employee welfare, etc, etc, I could go on and on. An update on Karnes and Slott (Hayes also went with them) - Wanye Hizenga is backing them to do pest control acquisitions. You know the Wyane Hizenga that owns the Miami Dolphins, owned Blockbuster, Waste management, unbeliveable real estate in FLA. Since the parent co. Servicemaster owns Terminix, it will be interesting how their non-compete works out. Granted, they worked specifically for TG/CL, but you'd think the non-compete would reflect all of Sewrvicemasters business lines.

Green Dreams
11-25-2004, 09:37 PM
Who was "Hayes"... I'm not sure I know .

Dman1214
11-25-2004, 09:55 PM
Green genes - Hayes was the CFO I believe.

vegomatic40
11-26-2004, 10:21 AM
Non-compete agreements are notoriously flimsy in the courts. Coupled with the fact that these guys have access to legal counsel that us "little people" could only dream of, and the likelihood that they didn't go into this venture half-cocked puts the ball in their court. Trugreen will weigh the costs of a long, drawn out litigation vs. letting them do as they please and probably rule for the latter. After all, it is still just about the money.

grassguy_
11-27-2004, 11:46 PM
If it's true that Wayne is backing their "venture" into pest control I'm sure he's check all the non-compete contracts they may have had with TG. It's not likely that the non-competes would hold up anyways being the both of them were not directly involved with the pest control end of TG's parent company. I'm sure that would be a rarity that a court would uphold a non-compete against someone who left the direct field to pursue something vaguely related to what they were originally contracted for. Just MHO

Green Dreams
11-28-2004, 10:42 AM
Maybe they just wanted Dolphins Tickets...oh wait aren't they pretty much free now anyway? lol

luv_lawns
11-28-2004, 12:24 PM
I was just informed by my branch manager that TG has purchased 2 AllGreen branches in Saginaw and Lansing Michigan and is effective 12/1/04. Have no clue what this means for me other that being out a job.

Green Dreams
11-28-2004, 04:24 PM
It happens to the best of us, Luv. Good luck...

Dman1214
11-28-2004, 05:00 PM
I thought that AllGreen was out of business - that they already sold all their locations off. Is Mike Mckee still involved with AllGreen?

luv_lawns
11-28-2004, 05:14 PM
AllGreen is still very much in business. They took the Detroit location and merged it with the Flint location, and then took the Flint/Detroit locations and merged it with the Saginaw location so I was running 3 branches out of 1 location. My techs were going from Saginaw to the far parts of Detroit and all the way to Mt. Pleasant and Ubly. There is still a branch in Kalamazoo as well as numerous other states, just not sure other than the selling of my branch and lansings branch to tg what is going to happen. I guess that I will just have to wait and see come wednesday.

Dman1214
11-28-2004, 07:59 PM
Did u know mcKee? Is he still invovled? the original founder of trugreen started allgreen, right. wasn't his name howard something? i forget. gary clayton was also involved, no?

luv_lawns
11-28-2004, 10:08 PM
Did u know mcKee? Is he still invovled? the original founder of trugreen started allgreen, right. wasn't his name howard something? i forget. gary clayton was also involved, no?

When I hired into AllGreen, McKee was no longer with the company. The current owners are Ed Barant, Dan Campbell, Randy Caldararo, and Walter Shiffler. Yes the original founder of tg started ag but who that is, I'm not sure. I know that all of the above were in some way associated with tg at some time and have now sold 2 branches to them. It's just interesting to see how tg and ag continue to make a circle, and would be interested in what connection tg still has with ag. As for me, I am now "perm laidoff" from ag, and am out a job that I truly loved and devoted major time and energy into. If anyone in Michigan is looking for a good employee for the Office, please let me know. Thanks

Green Dreams
11-30-2004, 12:58 PM
That sucks, Luv. But I bet there's some former tg guys and a football team owner looking for guys like you....

TheChinchbug
01-03-2005, 12:50 AM
The fact is that Trugreen is evil. They have absolutely no morals and will take advantage of customers as well as employees. They don't care about anything except their stockholders and yearly revenue and growth. I hate the company with every fiber of my being and they never fail to surprise me with their latest bull%$#@! One example is how they will sell someone a fertilizer treatment and for whatever reason it doesn't get done until November or even December and they will still sell the unknowing customer a winterizer that year. This is just one of many many examples of their greed as I could give countless being an employee myself. I won't even get into how they mess over the employees because that would just sound like whining. I'm just glad I am young enough to still get out of there and do something with my life, but i feel bad for the guys that have put in 20 years or so and are pretty much stuck. Especially when they continue to get worse every year. My point is it doesn't surprise me that the corruption goes to the top because it definitely trickles down. Well anyway I feel somewhat better and might have to make this a weekly part of my schedule as it is very therapeutic.

Green Dreams
01-03-2005, 02:52 PM
Just another day at the office, huh? I use to be angry too CB. Just take it for what it is, a paycheck and lessons on how not to do things. Getting worked up because you feel like the only one who wants to do whats right will only age you.

Old sayings at my former employer...

a) If you're not lyin', you're not tryin'.

b) The other was see lawn, spray lawn, get check. Repeat daily until dark.

John B Laidlaw
01-03-2005, 03:16 PM
That's good GJ !! I was with CL for two years and when TG aquired them stayed on for twoandhalf more years. Though the company was truly evil, I still learned alot.

Even though they have a bad rap and well deserved mind you!, they began a business model not ever used in this industry. CL was great to work for and had really good benefits ( Travelers) and they stood by they're word. When TG came along, after ecolab ran CL into the ground, they promised us all kinds of great things but like what they do to the customer they do to the employees, they lied. No surprise and when your young, you see dollar signs.

I would love to see TG go down in flames but then we would have to really market to get our customers and there would be no one to ***** about in the winterhttp://www.lawnsite.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=877974#
Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

garydale
01-04-2005, 07:10 PM
I love anything that bust TG/CL chops!

We make our living off customers TG/CL has ticked off.

spray guy
01-16-2005, 05:06 PM
Looks like the three x management guys that left servicemaster are heading up a pest control start up , the ticker symbol is on the american stock exchange, its SNR. Since mid to late november the stock for that company has gone from approx four dollars a share to around seventeen dollars a share. The company has diversified into pest control and still doing electronics.

GrowinGreeninc
01-16-2005, 07:22 PM
http://finance.lycos.com/qc/news/story.aspx?symbols=AMEX:SNR&story=200411171839_PRN__FLW020

lawn_j0ckey
01-17-2005, 03:35 PM
Looks like the three x management guys that left servicemaster are heading up a pest control start up , the ticker symbol is on the american stock exchange, its SNR. Since mid to late november the stock for that company has gone from approx four dollars a share to around seventeen dollars a share. The company has diversified into pest control and still doing electronics.


You sure it's SNR? Otherwise it's an odd name for a pest control company - Sunair Electronics?

lawn_j0ckey
01-17-2005, 03:36 PM
http://finance.lycos.com/qc/news/story.aspx?symbols=AMEX:SNR&story=200411171839_PRN__FLW020



I guess you're right :)

Green Dreams
01-17-2005, 06:35 PM
Buy on the rumor, sell on the news. I will put this one on my radar. It is overpriced now....

MIDWEST25
01-19-2005, 09:17 AM
Sounds like Dennis Sutton might have snitched these two out to improve his own billfold,which is what took place.I heard from TG corporate that the owner of the Marlins gave Slott-Karnes 50 million to start the pest control thing.Glad I don't play golf with these guys anymore.The political jockeying in Memphis right now would really be ugly.Serious hickeys on butts right now.Kudos to all who have left CL/TG to start there own.