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Ric
11-19-2004, 09:29 PM
Hello Members.

I have a question about expanding my Business.

Because of Hurricane Charley wiping out a good portion of my nursery I am thinking of increasing the size of my Pesticide Application Business. Florida has very strict rules about who can sit for the applicator certification test. Therefore Pesticide licenses are hard to come by. Under Fla Law I can hire Part Time people that are in the green industry full time.

What are the chances that Lawn mowing people would be interested in working Part Time for my company on a commission bases with taxes and worker comp etc.????? They could sell and service many of their own mowing accounts.

Now under law I would have to give them a minim of 5 days training. However I feel I would have to give them more training than the required 5 days. Of course the more they know the better job they could do. Of course A problem for me would arise 3 years from their hire date. When they themselves could apply to sit for the Pesticide test. However since I am 64 years old I do not see that as a big problem for me.

Of Course I could not service the entire state of Florida. So I am thinking about limiting this Idea to a select few in the near by area to me.

Now any input to this idea would be appreciated. I am sure I may be missing some point. But let me made one thing very clear. This is not a rent-a-license scam. I want to keep everything on the up and up. I do feel this could produce me a increased income. At the same time it would be a chance for good people to get a Pesticide license while still keeping there own business in tact.

lbmd1
11-19-2004, 10:12 PM
Ric,
if someone up here in NH came to me with that offer, i'd run as fast as I could to you to sign up. It's a very good deal for both parties and allowing them to use the knowledge and license to fert their own customer base is exceptional. Up here in NH the licensing guidelines are so strict, having to work for another licensed applicator for around 4 years as an apprentice and then take the test, makes it improbable for someone working as an LCO let alone why would someone be willing to train someone who would be their face to face competitor in the future. Kudos!

Mike

Fareway Lawncare
11-19-2004, 10:31 PM
Ric...You're What..64 yrs old & 2 years out of TruGreen ?

Too Old to worry about expansion...focus on finding a good retirement home....Florida should be a good Spot to find one Cheap.

Precision
11-19-2004, 10:55 PM
Ric,

I agree with Mike. I wish I lived closer so I could take you up on that. And I admit that I would be looking to sit for the CP test when my time was up. I would be willing to sign a non compete agreement for a reasonable time frame or at least a non poach agreement.

I don't want to become an app only business, but the current law makes for a distinct limit on what I can do without it and still be fullservice.

If you can think of a way to make it equitable despite the distance I would be very interested.

Ric
11-19-2004, 11:16 PM
Ric,

I agree with Mike. I wish I lived closer so I could take you up on that. And I admit that I would be looking to sit for the CP test when my time was up. I would be willing to sign a non compete agreement for a reasonable time frame or at least a non poach agreement.

I don't want to become an app only business, but the current law makes for a distinct limit on what I can do without it and still be fullservice.

If you can think of a way to make it equitable despite the distance I would be very interested.


Precision

Too bad your not closer to me. I think you would make a fine applicator. I think you also know how having a legal way of providing Pesticide would help your business. Customer are tired of getting double talk from there pesticide guy that blames the Mower man and vice a versa. Once I got my pesticide license my business tripled over night. Just last Feb I sold off over 200 residual mowing account because I had reach the point of diminishing returns. Yet I still have over 100 mowing accounts left. Real Full service gets you into real upscale markets. It is a win win situation.

bobbygedd
11-20-2004, 08:20 AM
i agree with fareway

ProMo
11-20-2004, 10:04 AM
I would jump on the opportunity I wont drop my bizz to work for someone else so its nearly impossible for me to get certified, the part that upsets me is a lot of pest control companys are doing bad service. One of my accounts this year had fungi at least 4 times chinch bugs 6 times etc the pco solution is to throw more nitrogen making the problem worse. Another property had spots that wouldnt grow so I took a soil sample to the extension office and it came back with a ph of 5.0 why wasnt the pest control company able to figure that out in the 3 years they have been treating this yard. my favorite one was back in august the customer is out of town and was using tru green, there are chinch bugs feasting on the lawn and the trugreen guy leaves an invoice stating the customer has dry spots and needs to run the irrigation for 1 hr per zone 3x week. the sad part is we had over 14 inches of rain that month, I ended up calling a different company to treat her lawn 3 days after trugreen was there. Its very frustrating watching these guys give bad advice some trying to blame the lawn guy who is a certified Master Gardener

Ric
11-20-2004, 10:34 AM
i agree with fareway


Bird of a feather flock together. Neither one of you have the intelligences to read Dick And Jane Primer.

Promo

Once again, Too bad you are not closer. Let me see how good this works with closer people. Then we maybe can talk.

bobbygedd
11-20-2004, 11:00 AM
Bird of a feather flock together. Neither one of you have the intelligences to read Dick And Jane Primer.

Promo

Once again, Too bad you are not closer. Let me see how good this works with closer people. Then we maybe can talk.
i don't know ric, at 64 yrs old, and being around pesticides as long as you, i think it would be wiser to think about other things .

Ric
11-20-2004, 12:23 PM
i don't know ric, at 64 yrs old, and being around pesticides as long as you, i think it would be wiser to think about other things .


Bobby

I thank you for your concern. However I have only been around pesticides for about 5 years now. Today's pesticides are much safer than the DDT's of yester years. As more forward in the 21th century they will be even safer, If that is possible.

bobbygedd
11-20-2004, 12:28 PM
safer? HA HA HA HA. that is a dumb, very dumb statement. question that was asked at my last course: "what are the long term effects of todays pesticides?" answer, by the teacher:" nobody knows, they havn't been around long enough." pesticides are deadly poison!!!

Ric
11-20-2004, 01:13 PM
safer? HA HA HA HA. that is a dumb, very dumb statement. question that was asked at my last course: "what are the long term effects of todays pesticides?" answer, by the teacher:" nobody knows, they havn't been around long enough." pesticides are deadly poison!!!

Mother of Mercy BooBy

Do you have to screw with every post I make. I leave 90% of yours alone. Actually there is data that shows modern pesticides are becoming safer. However any good applicator will take the necessary pre-cautions and use PPE. If someone actually wants to learn I am the first person to help them.

Have a nice day

bobbygedd
11-20-2004, 01:31 PM
yea, is that the equivilant of "light cigarettes?" get a life. "safer poison?" it don't sound right. ok, maybe, safer than before. but still, very unsafe.

Ric
11-20-2004, 08:29 PM
yea, is that the equivilant of "light cigarettes?" get a life. "safer poison?" it don't sound right. ok, maybe, safer than before. but still, very unsafe.


BooBy

Why then do you Apply Pesticides and have a License???

nelbuts
11-20-2004, 09:00 PM
Ric,
Hey you know who this is so no need saying.
There is one problem, all of the mowers would have to have your signage on their vehicles. They could not have magnetic signs and could not have their lawn business signs on at the same time. The liability insurance must be in your company name and workers comp. too. It can be done but do you really want to open yourself up to those can of worms.

On a lighter note, I think Charley was a good thing in a way. You did get to clean that nursery up and since you had not owned it for more than a few months you did not lose much inventory, at least out front.

Charley did hurt me a bit. I have to wait till March to take the test. Have a good Thanksgiving and Christmas. Finally a little break. I am on vacation this week.

Ric
11-20-2004, 11:57 PM
Ric,
Hey you know who this is so no need saying.
There is one problem, all of the mowers would have to have your signage on their vehicles. They could not have magnetic signs and could not have their lawn business signs on at the same time. The liability insurance must be in your company name and workers comp. too. It can be done but do you really want to open yourself up to those can of worms.

On a lighter note, I think Charley was a good thing in a way. You did get to clean that nursery up and since you had not owned it for more than a few months you did not lose much inventory, at least out front.

Charley did hurt me a bit. I have to wait till March to take the test. Have a good Thanksgiving and Christmas. Finally a little break. I am on vacation this week.

Robin

Yep, Charley did Kiss me on the old Pepper Tree Nursery. FEMA was 3 days this week alone on hauling the debris out, and that was the second run. I get one more pick up. However I lost all the Shade houses, irrigation and the Mobile Homes that were income producting. BTW I am renting my condo out and moving into the soon to be painted PINK house at the Nursery. In fact I will sleep there tonight.

Now the day you were at the Wholesale nursery in back of Pepper Tree, it was raining very bad. So you didn't get to see all of the fields that were lost. Now I think even you will have to admit that the old Pepper Tree Nursery is looking 10000% better. In fact I believe it has never looked better. And I haven't started.

I plan to put up cable houses to replace the wood shade house. The junkie portable build you see, I hauled in as a temp office. I am planning on putting up a Ti ki Hut as the main Store and Office. Of course all the roof tile is making wonderful road base and already goes all the way back to the growing fields. I only have the 3 circle drives to finish and the parking area where I had all the debris stacked up.

Grand opening is still a long way off unfortunately. so the new Eden Arbor Nursery is just a money pit.

SIGNS ON TRUCKS

Robin

Under the old law you are right. However there have been some changes in the law. Magnetic signs on sales vehicles are now legal. However perment sign must be on all service vehicles at least 1 1/2 inches high. However there can be another company name on the vehicle also. Any Advertisement of pesticide service must have only my office phone number on it. After all it is my business. However by have set territories for each saleman-applicator there should be no problem in fielding the call to the right salesman. Liablity is a very big issue as you have pointed out. Yes there are some other issue that I have considered, and I have some strict company policy to be sure to address these issues.

PS Since you drive pass everyday going home. If you want to stop by one night with your study books, I will be happy to show you what sections to pay close attention to. I still have my books all marked up with High lighter. I am sure you know that the pass rate is less than 50% and I passed on the first try with a very high score.