Northern Virginia Lunchtime

[Mark McC]

Dear fellow northern Virginia LCOs,

What say we get together for lunch sometime? Hoolie, I know you're on board, but there are others on this board from our neck of the woods.

We can talk about the Redskins, about business...shoot, we can even talk about lawyers.

Anyone game? Let's shoot for Saturday, January 8.

Who's on board?

[HOOLIE]

Jan 8 sounds good...I was gonna suggest sometime after New Year's, when I've got a clean slate. Hopefully there will be something good with the Skins to talk about...

[Mark McC]

Hoolie, I should probably tell you that I'm a Dallas fan. It's not that I dislike the Redskins...it's a great franchise and they've been super opponents for Dallas. I just like Dallas more than I like Washington. Gibbs, especially, is top shelf.

So, if you promise not to say anything nasty about FSU, we'll be ooootay!

Anyone else wanna join in? C'mon, you guys. Sign up!

[Gilla Gorilla]

Yeah that sounds good. As far as I know I can be there and look forward to it.

[Mark McC]

Okay, we're up to three. Can you guys think of any other lawnsite.com members in our area?

[HOOLIE]

The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Gravely Man. Oh, and FSU is OK by me.

[timturf]

I'll mark my calender, will depend some what on the location!

I'm just 20 miles west of fredericksburg, in fact half way between fredericksburg and culpeper! Of course, that's if you will include me!
tim

Ps, who's buying?

[Mark McC]

I'll mark my calender, will depend some what on the location!

I'm just 20 miles west of fredericksburg, in fact half way between fredericksburg and culpeper! Of course, that's if you will include me!
tim

Ps, who's buying?

This is my first year in the business, so I'm certainly NOT buying. But yes, Tim, we do allow those from your part of the state to join in. We're...dare I say it...multigeographic!

How PC of us, eh? This is cool, though. I'm looking forward to this!

[Gilla Gorilla]

Hey Marc there is another guy down in the Culpeper area also. I have not seen him on the site lately though, I will try to remember who it is or find out by searching some older threads.

P.S. since this is my first year also I damn sure am not able to buy for anyone but myself either. LOL and am looking forward to this also

[Gilla Gorilla]

I found him. Its Upsondown out of Culpeper. It has been about two months since he has posted or replied to anything on this site though. Maybe he will see this thread.

[Mark McC]

Let him know, Justin. The more the merrier, as the saying goes.

I'm going to try to find a search function for members by geography. Maybe that'll score some hits. I have no idea how many operators on this board are in the northern half of Virginia, but we'll try and find out.

[lx665]

I'll try to make it.

John

Madison Va

[Mark McC]

Sounds like we have five so far. We have to start thinking about location...part of the state, that is. Most major interstate stop-offs have a Cracker Barrel or something of that nature.

Justin and Tim, you're both near Culpepper, which isn't far from I-95, right?

Hoolie, you're in Reston? John, I'm not sure where Madison is. Near Charlottesville?

[timturf]

With the guys we have, I would suggest somewhere between warrengton and gainsville!

[Mark McC]

I can do that so long as it's a dive with decent food.

[treedoc1]

Best deal in Warrenton is El Agave Restaurant, right on the main drag. One mile off of 29.

[HOOLIE]

I'm in Herndon, Mark. Warrenton's no problem for me, anywhere in the general Nova area is cool.

[Mark McC]

If everyone is okay with it, Jan. 8 will be in Warrenton at the El Agave. Is that a difficult location for anyone?

[timturf]

I think that is great unless we get more people in metro n va, then I would be willing to go closer to n va
tim!

[rkbrown]

I'm in Herndon, Mark. Warrenton's no problem for me, anywhere in the general Nova area is cool.

I spent my freshman and sophomore years at Herndon High, Hoolie. I'm a bit far away to make it to lunch with y'all though. :)

[HOOLIE]

Rob- You're always welcome if you change your mind and are up for a road trip. I'm a Herndon graduate, class of '88.

[rkbrown]

Rob- You're always welcome if you change your mind and are up for a road trip. I'm a Herndon graduate, class of '88.

Now I feel old !! :)

I graduated in 1976, but was at herndon 72-74. Thanks for the invite, hoolie. If I ever get up to that area again (and I hope to...I have twin daughters that I would love to show the Air & Space museum), I will pm you and set up a chance to get together will y'all.

[HOOLIE]

I haven't been to the Air & Space Museum yet, even though it's only 10 minutes away. Kinda like my cousin, he's lived in Brooklyn his entire life, never been to the Statue of Liberty...

The ol' high school looks exactly the same as it did in the 80's, and the 70's, I imagine. Although there are now houses built up all around it now. Have you been in the area at all recently?

[lwcmattlifter]

If you guys are still going to meet up for lunch i'm interested. Just let me know when and where. I'm in the Herndon/Reston area.

[Mark McC]

So far, it's January 8 in Warrenton at the El Agave. More details as the date draws closer.

[Gilla Gorilla]

Come on Mark why are you at home on the computer at 3pm.

You dont want to get out in the rain???
I dont blame you one bit. I only got one leaf cleanup done this morning and then hauled the leaves out of the trailer and made it half way to the next job and it was pouring. You gotta love this wet fall we have been having.

[rkbrown]

Hoolie:

I haven't been back since 1986. My sister stayed there until about 5 years ago. She kept telling me that I wouldn't believe how much it has changed.

[Mark McC]

Come on Mark why are you at home on the computer at 3pm.

You dont want to get out in the rain???
I dont blame you one bit. I only got one leaf cleanup done this morning and then hauled the leaves out of the trailer and made it half way to the next job and it was pouring. You gotta love this wet fall we have been having.

Hey Justin,

Yeah, it got pretty bad yesterday afternoon. I was blowing away in a light rain until around 2:00 and it just got to the point of absurdity, so I packed it in.

Offhand, I'm not sure if this is wetter than normal for this part of the state. I don't mind a lot of water, but a daily drizzle just kills business. It's better if the 1.5" a week comes all in one day, but if wishes were horses, right?

[HOOLIE]

This El Agave, is this a nice Mexican dive? Those are the best. Picante in Chantilly is a great Mexican place too, if you've ever been there.

Rob- You'll be pleased to know that after decades of planning, Herndon Parkway is actually finished. You can really drive in an endless circle around town to your hearts content...LOL. The last section (near the cemetery) was finished a few years back.

[treedoc1]

Way better than Anita's, I think better than Casa Chamayo.

Only $3.95 for lunch on Tuesdays.

[treedoc1]

Way better than Anita's, I think better than Casa Chamayo.

Only $3.95 for lunch on Tuesdays. It's packed then.

Good margaritas.

[hockeygoalie]

Iam in Charlottesville. I used to live in the Fairfax area. I fell into the business by accident and I am a bit hooked. Picked up a good contract last year and won it again for next season. I have been getting contracts lined up since then... and i think i have a full slate. Would love to pick a few brains with some good food and BEER.

[treedoc1]

Tecate, Corona, Dos Equis

[HOOLIE]

treedoc- I've never been a big Anita's fan, although they seem to have a lot of loyal diners. Casa Chamayo sounds familiar, where is it exactly.

Picante has a ton of actual Mexicans eating in there at any given time, that's always a good sign of good food.

[lx665]

Hockey Goalie, Do you play ice hockey is Charlottesville? If so are you playing in the adult league?

John

[timturf]

hochiegolie,

you sound like a good candidate to buy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hockeygoalie]

Yup, i play in the leagues there. You sound like you know me.
You must have ripped a few shots past me a time or two.

[Gilla Gorilla]

Hey whats up John? I think you or your guys were cutting a rental prop a couple houses up the street from where I keep my equipment, around Metz middle school this. I think it is off Richmond Ave. I know that I have seen one of your trucks out at the 28 and Linton Hall intersection a couple times this season.

[lx665]

Hockey Goalie, What team do you play for? I play for the Golden Gophers in the "A" league.

John #4

[hockeygoalie]

John, are you going to the lunch in northern Va? Do you live in C'ville? I saw you pepper Kenny in the face mask with a point blank slap shot late in your playoff game....... with a 10 goal lead, some might say that was running it up a bit.

[lx665]

Hockey Goalie, If you are talking about Monday night's game, I was not there. I do like to ring em off Kenny's facemask though. I live in Madison and will try to attend the luch.

John

[mowingtowing]

I have recentyly stumbled across this no va thread which is a great feature on this sweet lawn site forum. I was wondering if you fellow nova people could keep an eye out for a stolen 16 hp giant vac, brand new. It was stolen from the fairfax area a little more then a month ago. I can give the serial # if you know of anyone that recently got one. I just want to get my equipment back.

[hockeygoalie]

I will keep a look out for it. Can you post the specs on it. Most leaves are down.... i havent seen too many LCO's out and about this past week. I am in the Charlottesville area. Are you coming to our lunch? Can you guys post directions and the time on Jan 8th.
Thanks

[mowingtowing]

Ok, here are the specs for my vac
2004 model 16 hp giant vac
Serial # 41155580
The top discharge shute was modified with 2 more mounting brackets to allow any 90 degree positioning of it, all other models ive seen have only 2 tabs
I can give a $300 reward for anyone who can locate it and give me information so i can have the police take over from there.
It was stolen from the burke VA area a little more then a month ago. If the theifs are smart, its not directly around burke/fairfax, so thats why im asking a favor from fellow va/md contractors.
Thanks all for keeping an eye out.

[HOOLIE]

I'll keep an eye out for you. Doesn't it just suck to think another LCO would do you wrong like that...I could forgive it, if it was just someone not in the business, but most likely it was another LCO, that's just wrong. Hope you get it back soon. I'll be looking out in the Herndon area for you.

[hockeygoalie]

Lets hope its just some stupid kid. I would like to think that there is some respect among other LCO's. But,..... If i didnt know it was stolen and some guy wanted to sell me one, and the price was right, I would buy it. I got a few good chainsaws that way.

[mowingtowing]

Guess I should have started a new thread for this, i dont mean to take away from lunch planning. My theft had to be planed, it had 5/8" cable lock and it weights nearly 500lb.
I wonder if it would be possiable to start a forum on this site for letting people know of stolen equipment in an effort to get them back?....

[Mark McC]

Try starting a new thread, please. Sorry about your loss and I'll keep an eye out, but there's really no point in continuing this here because you've already reached everyone on this thread.

If you want more people to know, start a new thread and that way, more eyes will be on the look-out.

[hockeygoalie]

So, back to the lunch topic....... Lets firm up who's coming, where and when.... I will be driving from Charlottesville- a couple of hours....

[PrecisionOutdoor]

Just my luck I will be out of town on the eighth. Oh well, maybe we can schedule another lunch before the spring rush hits.
El Agave is a great choice bby the way.


Chip

[HOOLIE]

Have a Merry Christmas guys- I'm throwing back a few brews while I wait for my wife to give me back the Scotch tape (down to the last roll). Stay safe out there. See ya on the 8th.

[Mark McC]

Merry Christmas to you and yours, Hoolie.

Chip, sorry you can't make it for Jan. 8, but I'm sure we'll be doing it again at least once more before season kicks in.

Happy New Year to all. May we all have a productive and safe 2005.

[HOOLIE]

Well, I am officially all-done with any lawn-related work. What about everyone else?

Mark, your Cowboys did it again...they spoiled yet another fine Sunday for me and my Skins. Better luck next year, or the year after that...

[Mark McC]

Well, I am officially all-done with any lawn-related work. What about everyone else?

Mark, your Cowboys did it again...they spoiled yet another fine Sunday for me and my Skins. Better luck next year, or the year after that...

Hoolie, as an FSU fan, I can relate. Every year, we play the Hurricanes and they've kicked our butts more often than not. It's too bad that the NFC East is so pathetic this year, but the Dallas jinx will not hang over the Redskins forever. I can't gloat about it here at home, either. My wife is a Redskins fan, and if I favor domestic tranquility...well, you get the picture.

Was anyone here let down when Pittsburgh body-slammed Baltimore? I wasn't. Any time the crooked Lewis twins (Ray and Jamal) lose a game, I'm pretty much okay with it.

[timturf]

Well, I am officially all-done with any lawn-related work. What about everyone else?

Mark, your Cowboys did it again...they spoiled yet another fine Sunday for me and my Skins. Better luck next year, or the year after that...

or the year after that!!!!!!!!

I'm coming, I hope!

[Mark McC]

Tim, we'll save a seat for ya. Please try to make it.

Speaking of Jan. 8, do we want to make this strictly a social event or do we want to discuss business issues as relates to government policy as well?

I'm getting way ahead of things here, but it occurrs to me that we could eventually have an association of lawn care professionals for northern VA. I think it'd be interesting and potentially a big help to our operations. Just something to think about.

[Mark McC]

Seven days and counting. Is it on your calendars?

[Gilla Gorilla]

Yes its on my calender unless its snowing, which that sounds like a joke with the way the weather is around here lately. What time is it again and where exactly is this El Grave or whatever it is called? Sorry but I dont feel like looking through 5 pages or responses to find it.
Later

[Mark McC]

Sorry but I dont feel like looking through 5 pages or responses to find it

C'mon, Justin, do you want me to do your work for you? Please. I'm not anybody's keeper here. Look it up yourself or don't, but don't tell me I gotta do your work.

[Gilla Gorilla]

Well Mark, I did my own homework for the day. So far I found that El Agrave is 1 mile "West I think" on 211 off of 29. And at 1:00pm.

But which side is it on though???

[Mark McC]

I have no idea which side of the street it's on, I'll be stumbling around myself to find it, no doubt. I'm not sure we actually set a time, but 1:00 sounds good to me if everyone else is agreeable.

Is everyone okay with 1:00?

[Gilla Gorilla]

1 sounds fine with me. Bye the way Mark what part of Fairfax are you in? East, West or around which highschool. I lived in Fairfax for 21 years before I moved out to Manassas.

[hockeygoalie]

I can come at 1pm. Looking forward to it. Can someone try to post good directions.

[Mark McC]

Bye the way Mark what part of Fairfax are you in? East, West or around which highschool. I lived in Fairfax for 21 years before I moved out to Manassas.

Hi Justin,

We live in Fairfax Farms, which is right behind the Penderbrook development, but we lived in Cobbdale before, which is boxed in by Route 123, Lee Highway, Main Street/Route 50 and I-66. My wife's daughters went to Fairfax High, but I've lived up here only since 1997.

I can come at 1pm. Looking forward to it. Can someone try to post good directions.

Hockey (I don't know your first name), try this hyperlink. It gives a link to Mapquest, what I use when all else fails. Frankly, I don't know squat about Warrenton, so I can't help you with specifics.

http://www.google.com/local?hl=en&lr=&sa=G&q=El+Agave+Restaurant&near=Warrenton,+VA&oi=locald&radius=0.0&latlng=38713333,-77795555,815184460631074458

[treedoc1]

From the north or south...go into Warrenton off of 29/15/17.
First light is a Sheetz on the right, Hampton Inn on the left.
Second light is a Safeway on the right. Turn in to the shopping center on the right before the 3rd light. El Agave is next to the Blockbuster video store.

[Mark McC]

From the north or south...go into Warrenton off of 29/15/17.
First light is a Sheetz on the right, Hampton Inn on the left.
Second light is a Safeway on the right. Turn in to the shopping center on the right before the 3rd light. El Agave is next to the Blockbuster video store.

Copy, paste and print that out fellas. Thanks Doc!

[Gilla Gorilla]

Thanks also Doc. That will save me a couple minutes of turning around every where trying to find that place.

Mark what years did the girls graduate from Fairfax?

[HOOLIE]

Bumpin' this back to the top as a reminder. Tomorrow at 1:00, El Agave. Looking forward to it.

[Mark McC]

Gilla, they graduated in '97 and '02.

Hoolie, I'm looking forward to it, too. See you all tomorrow at one p.m.!

[timturf]

Planning on being their, who else is comming?

[Gilla Gorilla]

I will be there.

Mark I graduated from there in 95 and my brother did in 2000.

[Mark McC]

Well, it came off pretty much as planned. Five of us landed at El Agave in Warrenton and had no beer with lunch, but a lot of good shop talk passed as three hours flew by. I drank water while two iced teas and two diet cokes went down the pipes of our other four comrades.

In no particular order, Hoolie (Andy), HockeyGoalie (Trevor), GillaGorilla (Justin), Tim (Timturf) and I jointly burned (don't take that the wrong way if you weren't there) a waitress's afternoon as we chomped on chimichangas and hammered out issues such as marketing, windshield time (one of my fave subjects), mulch, turf reconditioning and even a little time on equipment.

TreeDoc wasn't able to make it due to earlier commitments, and Rob Brown of Pearland, TX, couldn't see springing for the airfare. Rob went to Herndon High School, although a year or two before Andy attended. Mattlifter, whose actual name I don't know, was one of a couple of guys who couldn't make it this month, but we're looking at a February date for a second lunch. Another was Chip of PrecisionOutdoor, and John, aka LX665 also was absent.

By the way, Trevor's teeth don't look like those of a hockey goalie. Is his claim suspect? Only John can testify for certain, but Trev claims John's not sure who he is. With the strike and all, maybe the NHL owners will contact these guys and make scrubs of 'em.

I spent a lot of time carping about a couple of John Deere dealers in NoVA, and Andy noted that one of them, the one located in Sterling (we don't name names in this column), has had a lot of turnover in personnel the past year or so. An outfit located in the city of Fairfax, Brandell's, got good reviews from several.

One of the ideas that came up that has some potential is an equipment swap. Might be tough to match actual cash values for any two items, but who knows? If the NBA and NFL owners can do those three-way trades, maybe we can, too. One thing is certain: Tim needs a serious trimmer and I need Justin to trade his truck for mine dead even. Honest, Justin, it's not as beat up as it looks.

Speaking of my truck, one of the really encouraging parts of the whole event was that nobody who saw my truck made any wisecracks about the paint job. I'll post a picture sometime, but to describe it in words is a bit difficult. Think of a parking lot surface with cancer, though, and you get the general idea. I've left it that way to test the theory that people love their LCO to have the best equipment, but don't want them making so much as to be able to afford a new set of wheels. That's believable, right?

One thing we didn't go over is the effects of constant exposure to the sun. This and other health issues might make for good discussion at some point. After all, we gotta live long enough to spend the money we're working so hard to make.

I had a great time and look forward to the February get-together. Meantime, you who did not make it should think about X-ing out the date on your calendar when we set it. There's nothing like face-to-face time to make your membership in this community much more real.

[HOOLIE]

And don't forget...today's lunch was TAX DEDUCTIBLE...too bad I didn't get a receipt, Trevor's got everyone's receipt...LOL. Well, it was good to meet everybody. By the time we left I was hungry again, we could have stayed for dinner too.

[hockeygoalie]

I had a great time. It was nice to meet everyone. you boys should know not to pay cash for a business lunch.

[Mark McC]

Andy, I had a pretty hefty breakfast of oatmeal at around 10:00 and didn't figure I'd be hungry enough to eat any lunch. Good thing those chimichangas weren't big at all.

Trev, thank God for debit cards, eh? I got my $12 worth out of the meeting AND I took a receipt home with me. The other three will have to file a written receipt and contact us if the IRS finds those receipts in an audit.

God help anyone who has to go through an audit, eh?. I never have, but it strikes me as being similar to having brain surgery done: interesting in a clinical sort of way, but when you're the patient/auditee, there's nothing remotely clinical about it.

Any proposed dates for February?

[lx665]

Sorry I could not make it. I've been down with the flu/cold. After reading about the good time you guys had lunch, I've finally figured out who Hockeygoalie is. He'll be safe during the winter hockey season, were on the same team.

John

[Gilla Gorilla]

Yeah I had a good time yesterday also. It was finally nice to put some faces with the names on here.

"He'll be safe during the winter hockey season, were on the same team."
Now that is funny.


As for a date for next month I think that I'm open for the month on weekends
( So far ).

[PrecisionOutdoor]

Sounds like I missed a good time. Sorry I couldn't make it. Next month is clear so I will be looking forward to it.

[Gilla Gorilla]

Hi Chip I wanted to see if you are planning on doing any plowing with your superduty? If so are you doing commercial or residential mostly?

Thanks

[lwcmattlifter]

I wish I had been able to make the trip but I had a class at 1 in Arlington. It would be nice to meet up next month. I think I will be free on most weekends.

[Gilla Gorilla]

Hey there Lwc what part of Northern Va are you from?

Im out in Manassas.

[PrecisionOutdoor]

Justin,

If the weather would cooperate I hope to do some plowing. I only have residentials this year but am working on some commercial accounts for next year. If all goes well I will also have atleast one truck on a VDOT contract.

[hockeygoalie]

Just an update, John and I won our first game this season 5-2 against my old team. I was traded to Johns team for a box of pucks. I showed them. Having John on my team makes a big difference. He spent half of last season knocking me down and laying on top of me while his team would score.

On another note John does landscaping and pesticide as well. If you guys want to sub out some of those jobs, he has a nice rig.

Trevor

[Mark McC]

Just an update, John and I won our first game this season 5-2 against my old team. I was traded to Johns team for a box of pucks. I showed them. Having John on my team makes a big difference. He spent half of last season knocking me down and laying on top of me while his team would score.

On another note John does landscaping and pesticide as well. If you guys want to sub out some of those jobs, he has a nice rig.

Trevor

A box of pucks? Well, at least you got a heckuva teammate out of the deal. Sounds like your hockey league is almost as well financed as NHL...which aint financed for diddly right now, one assumes.

Anyone on this thread know a place where I can get lawn fertilizer in Fairfax, Loudon or Prince William counties for cheap?

[HOOLIE]

Mark- There's a Lesco on Willard Rd in Chantilly. I'm looking around for places as well. I did some short-term mowing for a guy in Ashburn, he's a rep for a fert & seed company based out of York, PA. He told me he can get even small orders delivered directly to the customer. Don't know about his prices, I'm going to give him a call soon.

[HOOLIE]

Oh yeah, almost forgot, I'm free in Feb EXCEPT for the weekend of the 12th-13th. How's everyone elses schedule look?

[Mark McC]

As of now, I'm open in February. Thanks for the tip, Andy. I'm always looking for a way to beat down the cost of doing business.

[DrByrd]

A box of pucks? Well, at least you got a heckuva teammate out of the deal. Sounds like your hockey league is almost as well financed as NHL...which aint financed for diddly right now, one assumes.

Anyone on this thread know a place where I can get lawn fertilizer in Fairfax, Loudon or Prince William counties for cheap?
Try Herod Seed in manassas talk to roland they are of Liberia ave. (703) 392-1190

[HOOLIE]

Man, this thread had dropped to Page Two. That can't happen. Who's still up for a Feb lunch date? And which restaurant?

[Mark McC]

Thanks for kicking it back up to page 1, Andy.

At this point, February is wide open for me. How about Saturday the fifth? We can talk about the Calendar Girls thread.

[timturf]

Enjoyed the last get together, 5th fine with me, as long as it isn't when my first grand child arrives!

Though last restraunt was fine.
tim

[HOOLIE]

Man, I forgot, I'm busy on the 5th (son's b-day party), and I know I can't do the 12th. But don't let it hinge on me.

I suppose, if nobody's working much, there's no reason why we couldn't do it on a weekday as well.

Am I glad I don't do snow...sometimes I'm tempted, but I just think back to the bad old days years back, late nights in single digit temps, freezing my butt off with a snowblower. But if any of you guys are doing snow, hope its a lucrative storm for you.

[Mark McC]

On the one hand, we should not all be held up by one guy, even you, Andy! On the other hand, if the 19th is good for everyone, there's no reason not to meet then.

If everyone would indicate their availability for the four Saturdays in February, we can decide which of them gets the most of us in attendance. I'm good for the fifth, the twelfth, the nineteenth and the twenty-sixth. How about you all?

[timturf]

All work for me, unless it interfers with me becoming a grandpa, then you guys are out of luck!

[hockeygoalie]

Me too... just let me know when..

[Mark McC]

All work for me, unless it interfers with me becoming a grandpa, then you guys are out of luck!

Looks like Tim will finally have a crack at revenge on his kids by spoiling the grandkids.

[HOOLIE]

Looks like I'm good only for the 19th or 26th. But I'll live if that's not good for the majority. Looks like its actually REALLY starting to snow now.

[timturf]

Looks like Tim will finally have a crack at revenge on his kids by spoiling the grandkids.

GRANDKID, not grandkids!

Spoiling the grand daughter will be fun! So will the revenge!!!!

[Mark McC]

GRANDKID, not grandkids!

Spoiling the grand daughter will be fun! So will the revenge!!!!

Revenge is sweet, eh? I promise to avoid making any more MISTAKES about the number of DESCENDANTS you've helped PROPOGATE!

So far, the 26th looks like the critter. How about you, Justin? Trev, is John getting this thread? We wanna meet the guy who can confirm your trade for a box of pucks.

[hockeygoalie]

John says he reads them. I told him our last game update was his to do, I dont want to sound to into my self. But, Iam sure he will say how I held them scoreless during the third period while we staged a 4 goal come back to win our second game of the new season, keeping us undefeated. Well enough about me talking about me, lets let John talk about me for a while.

[Mark McC]

John says he reads them. I told him our last game update was his to do, I dont want to sound to into my self. But, Iam sure he will say how I held them scoreless during the third period while we staged a 4 goal come back to win our second game of the new season, keeping us undefeated. Well enough about me talking about me, lets let John talk about me for a while.

So John's your publicist, eh? Good to have one. The thing is, he has to actually say something before we can give him credit as a publicist. Well, John...what about it?

Justin is also AWOL. He must be busy keeping his wife happy. Ahhh, young love. Tim, give Justin the heads up on how much fun it can be when the kids start popping out. Wake up four times a night every night for months on end. Not that I'm trying to stir up trouble, mind you.

I have an uncle in Atlanta who's a Falcons fan. Called and left a voicemail saying I wish his guys a lotta luck. Lincoln Financial Field is gonna be one icy bowl for gametime. Birds don't fly well with icy wings, but I didn't go quite that far in the message. He is, after all, my departed dad's younger brother.

Pittsburgh and Philly make it an All-PA Super Bowl. Anyone wanna bet Randy Moss NEVER gets to a Super Bowl? If you can't get Bobby Bowden to like you, you really do have a stinky personality (yes, Moss applied to FSU. They showed him the door about a month later).

[akerr]

Hello to all in VA,
I was just wondering if anyone was going to the Contractors and Builders Supply Show at the Dulles Expo Center in Chantilly on the 2nd and 3rd of February. It seem like a good resource for researching equipment and other services. Go to www.ContractorsAndBuildersShow.com to register online, you will receive a conformation to your email account.
I hope everyone is enjoying the snow,
Adam

[Mark McC]

Hello to all in VA,
I was just wondering if anyone was going to the Contractors and Builders Supply Show at the Dulles Expo Center in Chantilly on the 2nd and 3rd of February. It seem like a good resource for researching equipment and other services. Go to www.ContractorsAndBuildersShow.com to register online, you will receive a conformation to your email account.
I hope everyone is enjoying the snow,
Adam

Hey Adam,

I hadn't planned on it. Bobcat has opted to display its wares there, but I'm not in the market for that kind of equipment. Anyone looking for new heavy gear might find a few interesting items, although the show is geared to the building contractor.

Adam, planning on making our February lunch?

Mark

[akerr]

Mark,
I would definitely like to attend the next lunch, keep me informed on time and location. The last lunch location was twenty minutes from my house, sorry I miss out. I am not in the market for heavy equipment I am just planning for the future, and checking things out.
take care,
Adam

[Mark McC]

Mark,
I would definitely like to attend the next lunch, keep me informed on time and location. The last lunch location was twenty minutes from my house, sorry I miss out. I am not in the market for heavy equipment I am just planning for the future, and checking things out.
take care,
Adam

Right now, we're leaning toward the 19th or the 26th, but stay tuned.

[Gilla Gorilla]

Okay I'm back. I've been a little busy getting prepared and also dissapointed with the lite amount of snowfall that we had. All I have left is to get the plow washed off tomorrow and the bags of deicer out of the bed. The last two Saturdays sound fine so far. Anyone interested in doing the lunch on a week day???

Oh yeah Mark I already know about the waking up 6 times during the night but we have it down to about one time a night with my 18 month old daughter.

[timturf]

Well, if we are going to this thing year round, maybe in the winter we could do week day meeting, go to weekend during the busier part of our season.

last 15 days of feb are good by me. Doc says I'll be grandpa by the 15!
tim

[Mark McC]

Justin, glad to hear you're still alive. We were beginning to wonder. I hope you didn't have too much invested in snow removal. May you get lots of snow in Manassas...but not in Fairfax. Nothing personal, you know.

Tim, I can almost hear you rubbing your hands together in glee. I feel sorry for your kids, don't I?

I'm kinda busy during the week doing some part-time stuff with a company that provides transscripts of hearings in the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, so weekdays are not the best for me. How well does the 26th work for you all?

[HOOLIE]

26th should be good. Hey Tim, are you gonna have a grandson or granddaughter, or is it gonna be a surprise?

[timturf]

26 is ok with me!

lady giving the sonogram said it was a girl, I repied that you never know for sure UNLESS you see the *****. She said, look here, here is one leg, theirs the other leg, then point between the two, and said, Do you see a *****?

daughter wanted a boy, but after she found out it was a girl, the girls baby clothes flooded the house. daughter works at a day care center!

[Mark McC]

26 is ok with me!

lady giving the sonogram said it was a girl, I repied that you never know for sure UNLESS you see the *****. She said, look here, here is one leg, theirs the other leg, then point between the two, and said, Do you see a *****?

daughter wanted a boy, but after she found out it was a girl, the girls baby clothes flooded the house. daughter works at a day care center!

Mom's employment is going to make one part of parenthood a lot cheaper for the happy parents. Parents of triplets would kill for that kind of situation.

The 26th is gaining steam while the 19th sits at the gate. How about the rest of you?

[HOOLIE]

Just thought I'd pass this along, I was at Barnes & Noble the other day, ran across a book entitled "How to Start a Business in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia".

It was written by an attorney, and touches on most any question you might have regarding federal and state laws as they pertain to running a business. It doesn't go in depth on a lot of subjects, just gives you a nice overview of things.

More importantly, it lists a lot of addresses and phone numbers for various state and federal agencies that you will no doubt one day need to contact.

Overall it looked like a pretty nice reference guide. $21.95 list price.

[Mark McC]

Just thought I'd pass this along, I was at Barnes & Noble the other day, ran across a book entitled "How to Start a Business in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia".

It was written by an attorney, and touches on most any question you might have regarding federal and state laws as they pertain to running a business. It doesn't go in depth on a lot of subjects, just gives you a nice overview of things.

More importantly, it lists a lot of addresses and phone numbers for various state and federal agencies that you will no doubt one day need to contact.

Overall it looked like a pretty nice reference guide. $21.95 list price.

Great find. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. For anyone who's interested, find this at Amazon at...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1572483598/qid=1106946592/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-6653326-7483825?v=glance&s=books

[HOOLIE]

Yes, that's the book alright. While you're on Amazon, buy my dad's book, he needs the royalties...LOL. It's a sci-fi novel, he was writing it more or less as a hobby, finally got someone to publish it.

I ran into Mark Brunell at the Reston Target last night. He looks kinda skinny to be playing football. If I were him, and saw some 325 pound lineman coming, I'd run like hell.

[Mark McC]

Yes, that's the book alright. While you're on Amazon, buy my dad's book, he needs the royalties...LOL. It's a sci-fi novel, he was writing it more or less as a hobby, finally got someone to publish it.

I ran into Mark Brunell at the Reston Target last night. He looks kinda skinny to be playing football. If I were him, and saw some 325 pound lineman coming, I'd run like hell.

Andy! Give us the title of your dad's book and his name, fer Chrissakes! Maybe a few of us will buy it. What's the story about?

[HOOLIE]

Well, alright, the book is titled "Cynthiana" by E.T. Harrigan. This may sound awful, but I haven't read a single page of it yet. My wife grabbed the free copy when he gave it to us and I have not gotten my hands on it so far.

The plot is something like: A war set in the future, the fiance of a female soldier (Cynthiana) is killed, she vows to avenge his death.

My wife likes what she's read so far. My dad's so excited to have it published, I don't think he even cares if anyone buys a copy.

[Mark McC]

As a former writer (granted I was a newsletter writer, but even that is a tough gig to get) I can tell you that just getting published is a major achievement, so your dad's reaction is pretty understandable. Still, I hope it sells well.

Folks, I guess we have to swear to secrecy regarding Andy's failure to crack open that FREE copy of his father's book. Gee, Andy...where does your dad live?

[HOOLIE]

Mark, now that my Dad hobnobs with the likes of Stephen King and such, his whereabouts are a closely guarded secret... :rolleyes:

To get the book published he had to hire some sort of agent. New writers apparently don't get the time of day from publishers without some sort of representation.

Yeah, I guess I better get to it and read a few pages...

[lx665]

HOCKEY UPDATE: Trevor lead his team to another victory this evening. The final score was 4-2. Despite what you might hear...he is the best goalie in the league.

I will try to make the next lunch if I'm in town.

John

[Mark McC]

Andy, I've heard that about selling a book. My wife Ann has written a couple of children's books and the publishers are really tough to get through to without an agent. However, Ann discovered that the agents were almost as difficult to contact as the publishers. It's a regular Catch-22. You have to be nuts to want to get your book published, but they want no manuscripts that suggest the author is insane...unless your name is Stephen King.

John, we're inclined to believe you when you say Trev is the best goalie in your league, but where's the shut-out?! He let two goals through! We noticed that he's not missing very many teeth, either. Of course, you won't catch me on a rink with a bunch of malicious people holding sticks used to beat on objects (animate or inanimate), so who am I to talk smack, right?

Okay, how about a tally for the lunch on the 26th? This isn't a polling place in Iraq, folks. Just vote aye if you can make it the 26th and nay if you can't.

[hockeygoalie]

The 26th sounds good for me. John is a maybe. He has a meeting on the friday out of town. If he gets back, I will bring him with me.

[Mark McC]

The 26th sounds good for me. John is a maybe. He has a meeting on the friday out of town. If he gets back, I will bring him with me.

Great, thanks Trev. Maybe we can get seven of us together this time.

[treedoc1]

I would like to make it this time.
Please pick the spot.

[PrecisionOutdoor]

26th sounds good to me as well.

[Mark McC]

Doc, how does El Agave in Warrenton sound to you? Seemed to work pretty well despite being a good drive for Andy and me. If anyone has another idea, we're all ears.

Folks, how about the election in Iraq? However one feels about our presence over there, their first election in who-knows-how-long apparently has the Iraqi people pumped. Let's cross our fingers and hope they can make this fly, however they might choose to constitute a government.

[Gilla Gorilla]

The 26th is good for me so far. I know someone already asked this but is anyone else going to the contractors show today or tomorrow at the Dulles expo center? Im going to meet up with a friend tomorrow early afternoon and take a look at what they have. Im very interested in the mini skid loaders that are on the market becuase they make landscaping jobs so much easier when you have the rite equipment.

Later

[PrecisionOutdoor]

El Agave sounds good to me as well since I live two minutes from there. We can meet in Manassas if it makes the drive easier for you guys.
We plan on going to the trade show tomorrow as well. Probably be there when it opens though so we won't have to deal with the evening traffic.

[Mark McC]

By the way, Andy and I have NO problem whatsoever with a location that's more to the north, right Andy? I mean, it's not El Agave or bust, right?

I really don't think the young lady who waited on us last time is pining away for our return. I told you, Justin, pinching waitresses on the rear is really bad form...unless their name is Tiffany or Bambi or something like that. In that case, you also have to leave her a tip somewhere in her clothing.

[MarcSmith]

Count me Gents......

I live in Reston so if anyone wants to carpool....

[timturf]

By the way, Andy and I have NO problem whatsoever with a location that's more to the north, right Andy? I mean, it's not El Agave or bust, right?

I really don't think the young lady who waited on us last time is pining away for our return. I told you, Justin, pinching waitresses on the rear is really bad form...unless their name is Tiffany or Bambi or something like that. In that case, you also have to leave her a tip somewhere in her clothing.

I sure missed that, Either that happen before I arrived, or while I was on one of my potty breaks! A lady would have backhanded you!!!!!! Have to admit, she was pretty!

[Mark McC]

Poor ol' Justin. What's he gonna do with a bunch of lunatics hanging around?

[Gilla Gorilla]

You want to know what I will do with a bunch of lunatics hanging around me Mark??? Dish it rite back ol buddy!!! LOL

[Mark McC]

You want to know what I will do with a bunch of lunatics hanging around me Mark??? Dish it rite back ol buddy!!! LOL

Well, since you have offspring, you either qualify as a lunatic now or you will once THEY HIT THEIR TEENS! AHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[timturf]

If you instill good values as they grow up, the teen years arn't too bad! Teach them good morals and values!!!!!!!

[MarcSmith]

If you instill good values as they grow up, the teen years arn't too bad! Teach them good morals and values!!!!!!!


If that doens't work, the business end of leather belt will :) Of course by that time cell phones will have tasers as built in accesories....

[MarcSmith]

hey guys....I do an yearly Nsacar Fanasy on ESPN.com

I have a group started

Deserters
password is trugreen

It is a free fanatsy nascar.

i figured I get the locals in on it...

[Mike TMI]

Hey guys.. I'm new to this site and found the VA page. I would love to make the February lunch, but thats the day I'm bringing my employees in this year. (4 new employees starting this year......should be fun?)

Is the lunch a monthly meeting?

Mike-

[MarcSmith]

bringing them in on Saturday....Are they H2B....

[Mike TMI]

yeah....we are doing some training and getting my yard back in shape.

I currently have 6 employees but adding 1 more crew this year so I thought the best would be bring in 4 newbies and weed a couple good guys out of the 4.

BTW...I am a huge GATOR fan. Grew up in Jacksonville. I try and see a couple games a year. Hopefully...Urban will pull something out this year!

Mike-

[Mark McC]

yeah....we are doing some training and getting my yard back in shape.

I currently have 6 employees but adding 1 more crew this year so I thought the best would be bring in 4 newbies and weed a couple good guys out of the 4.

BTW...I am a huge GATOR fan. Grew up in Jacksonville. I try and see a couple games a year. Hopefully...Urban will pull something out this year!

Mike-

Not in that last game of the year, he won't. After all, Rix is gone.

[lwcmattlifter]

Where and what time are you guys meeting up at? I'm interested.

[Mike TMI]

I'm hoping to go the the 11/26 game against FSU. My brother gets some tix so I'm crossing my fingers.

Where does everyone get your mulch from? I used to deal with Field & Forest (Paul Levine) but switched to Lowe Product last year. I was very disappointed by their product so I switched again to D&J Express mulch out of Haymarket. Has anyone used their product?

[treedoc1]

Also in Haymarket is J&K Enterprise. www.lumberjake.com

Both guys offer a value. Like most, consistency becomes a problem in late spring when the mulch hasn't aged as much.

FOB Haymarket,Gainesville is $9.20 yard.

I used to purchase 2-3 trailer loads weekly (80 yards each). Delivered pricing was $9 yard inn the same zip code.

Good Luck

[Mark McC]

I'm hoping to go the the 11/26 game against FSU. My brother gets some tix so I'm crossing my fingers.

Wish I had family that got tickets down there. I have at least one sister who went to UF and a brother-in-law who's an FSU fan, but no dice. It's funny about the state of Florida football championship. The rivalry between the 'Noles and the Gators is a lot more intense than between FSU and UM. Is FSU bigger for UF than UM also?

[Mike TMI]

Also in Haymarket is J&K Enterprise. www.lumberjake.com

Both guys offer a value. Like most, consistency becomes a problem in late spring when the mulch hasn't aged as much.

FOB Haymarket,Gainesville is $9.20 yard.

I used to purchase 2-3 trailer loads weekly (80 yards each). Delivered pricing was $9 yard inn the same zip code.

Good Luck

Jake used to be in Ashburn with me. I used his mulch for my commercial properties. I may have to give him a call! Thanks for reminding me of him!

Last year...I brought in 10 trailer loads..but committed to D&J 15 loads. I may start selling some mulch to some smaller companies. The only place in this area is Virginia Ground Covers and they sell for $18.00/yard. I have made some phone calls and will sell for $16. We'll see how this works this year.

Do any of you work in the Ashburn/Leesburg area?

[Mike TMI]

Wish I had family that got tickets down there. I have at least one sister who went to UF and a brother-in-law who's an FSU fan, but no dice. It's funny about the state of Florida football championship. The rivalry between the 'Noles and the Gators is a lot more intense than between FSU and UM. Is FSU bigger for UF than UM also?


Without a doubt, the UF/FSU game is the biggest. I didnt get to any games last year..but tried my best to go to UF and UGA. People wanted $500 a ticket and I'm surely not going to pay that.

We already have tix for the FSU game...which works out since I have a golf tourney in Jacksonville that weekend.

Did you go to UF or raised in the area?

[MarcSmith]

When you talk to Juleen At D&J tell her marc smith from trugreen says hi. while at trugreen I used DJ, but mostly i used Grant County Mulch....But I used DJ for hauling and what not. We also used DJ to do all of our mulch blowing and I got all of my compost from them....And they stilll plow snow for TGLC as a sub....

One of the better organizatoins IMO....

I graduated from UF in 95 went to work for MIckey Mouse for a few before going out alone....Now I'm back up north...My folks live down by tampa.

I have not been back to G-vill since 97 or 98...

[Mark McC]

Without a doubt, the UF/FSU game is the biggest. I didnt get to any games last year..but tried my best to go to UF and UGA. People wanted $500 a ticket and I'm surely not going to pay that.

We already have tix for the FSU game...which works out since I have a golf tourney in Jacksonville that weekend.

Did you go to UF or raised in the area?

Hey Mike,

My family and I moved to Clearwater (Largo, actually) in 1969, so that's the starting point. One of my brothers went to USF and one of my sisters to UF. Two other siblings have degrees, but I have to admit I'm not sure where they went. I think one of them went to UF.

I know what you mean about the cost of tix. While in Tallahassee, I never got to the games simply because I worked full time (took 12 credit hours, just barely qualifying as full time) waiting tables. The night games were out and I just never got around to buying tickets to day games. Most of all, I just worked, went to school and slept. I could never figure out how to get enough energy to do anything else.

Speaking of the cost of tickets, anyone priced tix for Redskins games of late? Dayum!

I did see Eric Johnson, Al DiMeola and Melissa Ethridge in Tallahasee, though. College towns are really great for music. On the other hand, gasoline in Tallahasee was WAY more expensive than just about anyplace else I'd lived up to the time I moved up here. Atlanta was a lot cheaper for gas, about 20 cents less a gallon. Colonial Pipeline, I assume.

[Mike TMI]

When you talk to Juleen At D&J tell her marc smith from trugreen says hi. while at trugreen I used DJ, but mostly i used Grant County Mulch....But I used DJ for hauling and what not. We also used DJ to do all of our mulch blowing and I got all of my compost from them....And they stilll plow snow for TGLC as a sub....

One of the better organizatoins IMO....

I graduated from UF in 95 went to work for MIckey Mouse for a few before going out alone....Now I'm back up north...My folks live down by tampa.

I have not been back to G-vill since 97 or 98...

Marc-
I talked to Julleen this morning. First 2 trucks will be at my shop on March 3rd.

Are you still with Trugreen?

I deal with Fred Perrotta there. He takes care of 3 of my commercial accounts. I cant even buy the fert for what hes charging me.

When I worked for Clippers back in the late 80's, we used to get mulch from Grant County. It's been a long time since I've heard their name. Small world...I guess!

[MarcSmith]

I left trugreen about 10 months ago. I'm the landscape manger at Georgetown Univeristy...

We always called Fred "Mr Hollywood"....He knows how to wheel and deal...almost to a fault....He'll give away the farm for his commission...I'd love to make what he's pulling down....

Grant CO and D&J the product was very similar...when I left TG we had a deal with Grant county they were hauling away all of our landscape debris....for free...although we had to invest like 70K in a loader, but in one year we were able to recognize the savings....

Grant county was able to provide the mulch in bags, along with the pine fines as well. We did not use much mulch in bags, maybe two trucks per year, the rest was bulk. if I remember correctly in the 8-10000 yard range of mulch...

It was nice though we had concrete storage bins for everything we could inventory about 800 yards at a time...and not lose any to the ground...

We still had a rollback from DJ in our yard for non organic waste and used their dumsters on all of our jobs as we needed to....They are just some really nice people to deal with...I never had met Juleen, only talked on the phone...

[Mike TMI]

I left trugreen about 10 months ago. I'm the landscape manger at Georgetown Univeristy...

We always called Fred "Mr Hollywood"....He knows how to wheel and deal...almost to a fault....He'll give away the farm for his commission...I'd love to make what he's pulling down....

We still had a rollback from DJ in our yard for non organic waste and used their dumsters on all of our jobs as we needed to....They are just some really nice people to deal with...I never had met Juleen, only talked on the phone...

Fred is definitely a great sales manager. I would love to have someone like him work for me.

Man...I'm glad I have found this site. You have given me some great ideas.

I just called Juleen again and brought you up and she said "HI".

I am going to bring a rolloff in as well on the 3rd. We maintain about 300 houses in Loudoun county and bag quite a few of them. We usually wait a few weeks and try and take over to Loudoun Composting. That is really getting old and time consuming.

Thanks for your advise!

[MarcSmith]

Having to handle waste more than once is time consuming....withthe dumpster your gusy can back up to it and toss the bags in and clean out the truck at the same time and they are ready to go the next day....

Th eone thing Id like to do at georgetown is have a raised concrete loading dock of sorts with the dumpster below so all you need to do is back the the equipment up to the edge and dump right in the dumpster.....We had a system like that a disney, but thats a different world as well.

[Mike TMI]

Where's more snow????

I went out and did 6 estimates today and some people will try anything.

I had a Chinese lady try and wheel and deal over 2 freakin dollars per cut. I dont know about you guys but I'm so tired of dealing with people like this. I should put a quote on my proposal package...."DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT ASKING FOR A CHEAPER PRICE.....GO ELSEWHERE!" She then comments about how nice the proposal package is....We use laptops and printers in our trucks to print out proposals and on-the-spot invoices. What a joke she is.....

Sorry for ranting but my buddy that I usually call with frustrations is in the hospital with his wife having a baby

How do you guys handle these prospective clients?

[MarcSmith]

when I was in florida I had an Indian(country) Doctor quibble about a price diff of $5 per month he had been a customer for 2 years and I did a $5 price hike across the board... I politely explained that my cost were not getting any cheaper and they when I go to the hospital I'm not able to negotiate the rate for doing bloodwork and thus my rates are not negotioable.... two weeks later after calling around he called me back and resigned the contract...What a PITA he would call me on friday and want me to come by on satruday to do stuff, after I had cut his lawn on thursday...

[Mike TMI]

I do the same exact thing...

I told this lady today...just about as rude as i could.....but without losing my professionalism...YEA RIGHT!

"That I dont need your business that bad that I would sit here and fight over 2 bucks." She was just blown away. I guess I lost that job?

There are guys around here that just rub me the wrong way to allow someone to dictate their prices.

I started charging my clients a fuel charge last year and had one of my clients thats been with me for about 3 years refuse to pay it. I sent her a letter explaining the reasoning behind it and she still refused to pay. My next letter to her was explaining why I was taking her off the schedule. She eventually saw it my way and paid the back fuel charges.

[MarcSmith]

I think when the fuel prices first went way up a couple years back I understood the fuel surcharge...At this time High fuel prices are going to be a way life and that its better to just up the prices a few bucks and not have the added fuel charge...Just my .02

Gas is never going to be 1.00 again. I think we will see the prices flucuate from 1.80 to 2.20 depending on your area where you happen to be when you need gas. As landscapers buying in bulk can be option, if you have the facilty and space to deal with a 500-1000 gallon tank, or buy into costo and get fuel from them or walmart or sheets....usually way cheaper..I'm stuck I have a sunoco 1 mile form my house that I pass by daily in reston...not the chepeast, but they call them convience stores for a reason right....

Dealing with customers was fun and rewarding in some cases. I had one guy who I used to cut grass for and he kicked me off of his property after I stoped cutting his grass for non payment, for three months(he was on kemo so i cut him a break) I pulled up and parked in front of his house on the proper side of the road and started cutting grass across the street(7 homes) and two right beside his. He came out yelling and screaming and telling me move my GD truck and that he woudl call his cop freinds and take care of it. Mind you I was 20 feet form his driveway behind the truck and trailer and probably 30 feet from the driveway in front of me. Some people just don't get it...If he had come and and politly asked me to move the truck I would have....not this time though buddy....

[Mark McC]

We use laptops and printers in our trucks to print out proposals and on-the-spot invoices.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of printer do you use? I've thought about doing something like this but have wondered whether it would require some rig over the transmission hump to set it all up.

[Mike TMI]

Just out of curiosity, what kind of printer do you use? I've thought about doing something like this but have wondered whether it would require some rig over the transmission hump to set it all up.


I use Quickbooks for about everything. So when a potential client calls in, we enter into the system. I go out and do the proposal. We have in our trucks laptops (I'm not sure the brand or whats in it). We use a TRIPP LITE power inverter and have the laptop and printer plugged into it. I have 3 different printers but, 1's a canon ij 600, 1's a canon i550 and my favorite is the hp 1115. That one will allow me to use my digital camera and sometimes pint a picture of their property and stick it in the proposal package. I write a "CHEESY" note on the back.. saying "this is what it looked like before we took over your lawn." I send them one about a year later.

My buddy owns a power washing company out here and he actually looks like a police car. He has his hard-wired and had the swivel laptop tray on the Trans hump and then even better had a tray for his printer put there too.

His is a nice setup....I'm just tired of going to peoples properties and having to write a bunch of info. This way I stream-line the process!

Hope that helps?

[Gilla Gorilla]

I know that this is a little off topic here but I will let everyone know about it anyways.

My mother in law converted here home from heating oil to a heat pump and has about 200 gallons of oil still in the tank. Anyone is welcome to it, all that you have to do is come out to her house and pump it out. If anyone needs it or knows of someone that could use this oil just pm me and we can get together about it. The tank is not very old so there should be nothing sitting in the bottom of the tank that should not be there.

Justin

[Mark McC]

Okay, gang, T minus six days and counting. Who is going to be there for the second monthly northern Virginia LCO lunch?

[MarcSmith]

I'm in....

[timturf]

Planning on comming.

Date: sat 2/26/05
time: 1pm?
Location : Warrington?

[Mark McC]

Tim, I guess we may as well hit El Agave again, since everyone knows where it is. We also haven't worn out our welcome there...not as far as any of us knows, anyway.

If someone would like to suggest a different location, I'm game, but I'd rather we went no further to the south and west. Warrenton is a pretty good hike as it is.

[timturf]

Tim, I guess we may as well hit El Agave again, since everyone knows where it is. We also haven't worn out our welcome there...not as far as any of us knows, anyway.

If someone would like to suggest a different location, I'm game, but I'd rather we went no further to the south and west. Warrenton is a pretty good hike as it is.
El Agave again at 1pm on sat 2/26/05

It is ~ 45 50 min drive for me, willing to go as far as gainsville in the future!

[Mark McC]

The drive to Warrenton was about the same amount of time for me last time around as it was for you. Gainesville would be a bit closer. Anyone have a strong preference?

[MarcSmith]

I'm sure there are good places in Manassas, centerville and chantilly, but then you start getting into the 'Burbs....and soccer moms....

[timturf]

What about trevor?
Is he coming?
Manasa, gainsville, would be a long drive for him?

tim

[Mark McC]

Funny you should ask, Tim, I was just thinking about that. According to his card, Trev lives in Keswick, which is near Charlottesville. I think he hit a substantial hike to get to Warrenton. Let's hope he chimes in shortly.

Should we just leave Warrenton as our destination?

[Mark McC]

Not all at once, okay?

[MarcSmith]

we are too busy moving snow....Its here..God I hate snow....

[Mark McC]

Marc, I hate it when you beat around the bush. How do you REALLY feel about snow?

[MarcSmith]

How about this....I really miss Florida.....Yeah the two seasons, Early summer and Late Summer got old, but not having to worry about leaves and snow was great....The only Salt we had to worry about was the salt air along the coast :)

Snow isnt really that bad, but its not fun any more. It was a real PITA whiel I was at TGLC...

I have 20 guys out right now working on campus speading CMA to keep the walks warm enough so we don't have to shovel. I'll be home by 5pm and back in again tomorrow to watch it all met.

Of course when I get home I'll get on my 1963 Wheel horse tractor and plow my drive and my neighbors, thats fun.....

On a side note. for any one who is interested. I have two Eclipse reel mowers from the late 60's. They are not bound up, the engines turn over, but won't start, I imagine a good cleaning and new fuel and plugs would make them work again....These have been kept in a garage at Georgetown and they are in good shape...I could bring them to the Lunch Meeting In warrenton if anyone is interested in them....I am not trying to sell them. these are give-aways, well might cost you a beer or two.......

[Mark McC]

Those Wheel Horses sound like keepsakes. Are they possibly of interest as antiques?

[Mike TMI]

How about this....I really miss Florida.....Yeah the two seasons, Early summer and Late Summer got old, but not having to worry about leaves and snow was great....The only Salt we had to worry about was the salt air along the coast :)

Snow isnt really that bad, but its not fun any more. It was a real PITA whiel I was at TGLC...

I have 20 guys out right now working on campus speading CMA to keep the walks warm enough so we don't have to shovel. I'll be home by 5pm and back in again tomorrow to watch it all met.

.......

This snow is just a big tease. I just got back from my shop and we put plows on 7 trucks. I doubt we end up with anything....Will be nice to go out and sand some properties tonight!

Yeah...I miss FL pretty bad too. I even thought about starting a franchise down there and letting my brother run that one. Still may try this in the fall??? I then could fly home and check in on the business while seeing my family in Jax and have a nice write-off!

[MarcSmith]

The wheel horse will defintly be a keeper for me.....thats a good story.....My neighbor is a single woman who's husband died about 10 years ago. the tractor was in pieces in her garage and had been in peices since before he died....I did some landscape work for her, about 6 hours of pruning and I'd cut her grass for her on occassoin..... I would not take any money so she gave me the tractor... its got a 36" twin blade gear driven deck and a 48" plow...It definitly has a soul....It not worth more than $500 IMO, but some people think that they are worth more and restore them to showroom condition...I figure, its a tractor its meant to be used, not looked at...

I have no idea about the value on the elcipse reel's but if you had a small back yard or had some nostalgia they'd be nice...

[Mark McC]

It definitly has a soul....It not worth more than $500 IMO, but some people think that they are worth more and restore them to showroom condition...I figure, its a tractor its meant to be used, not looked at...

I dunno, Marc, there's nothing wrong with show pieces. I'm not interested in it that way, but I'll bet you there are folks here at Lawnsite who just might love restoring an item like that. Maybe you should post a thread.

[MarcSmith]

I have even though of using them as some type of furniture peice...but nothing in my house has that type of look, and I am doubtful that my wife would even consider letting two pieces of equipment into the house.....Heck I rebuilt a motorcycle in my apartment before we got married, SO I guess she has some well justified fears....

I figured Id offer the reels up locally for free...might get lucky, I'll post inthe for sale section as well...

[timturf]

How about this....I really miss Florida.....Yeah the two seasons, Early summer and Late Summer got old, but not having to worry about leaves and snow was great....The only Salt we had to worry about was the salt air along the coast :)

Snow isnt really that bad, but its not fun any more. It was a real PITA whiel I was at TGLC...

I have 20 guys out right now working on campus speading CMA to keep the walks warm enough so we don't have to shovel. I'll be home by 5pm and back in again tomorrow to watch it all met.

Of course when I get home I'll get on my 1963 Wheel horse tractor and plow my drive and my neighbors, thats fun.....

On a side note. for any one who is interested. I have two Eclipse reel mowers from the late 60's. They are not bound up, the engines turn over, but won't start, I imagine a good cleaning and new fuel and plugs would make them work again....These have been kept in a garage at Georgetown and they are in good shape...I could bring them to the Lunch Meeting In warrenton if anyone is interested in them....I am not trying to sell them. these are give-aways, well might cost you a beer or two.......

I remember both, would love to see them

[MarcSmith]

The wheel horse is located at my house in Reston, and it is not for sale, but you are welcom to look at it Heck I'mm bringthe beer, she's a keeper. what is you email, i can shoot you some pics of the reel mowers.. I'll take a pic of the Wheel horse today and send you that as well.....

I need to do some weld work on teh deck, and Id love to paint it and make look a bit prettier...but it runs and doesn't leak....Anymore.....:)

[Mark McC]

Okay, fellas, tomorrow's the 26th. How many intend to make it?

[grass_cuttin_fool]

Im sorry I cant make it, our vol fire dept. is having a stew and I will be there most of the day

[MarcSmith]

I'm in, I just need to get a map off the net so I can find my way...What time....

[Mark McC]

Looks like 1:00 is the time. Sorry you can't make it, Wayne. Try for the April lunch?

[timturf]

I'm 50 - 50, wife car acting up, need to fix this weekend

[Gilla Gorilla]

I am also not going to be able to make it tomorrow now. Something came up yesterday.

Maybe next month though seeing as how I avoid working weekends like the black plague unless it pays nicely.

[bjslawn]

Where about in warrenton? I'm kinda new to the site, but would like to
put a few names with faces..if i could invite myself. ofcourse if no one minds.

Rich

[HOOLIE]

Well I'll be there...pretty sure I mentioned it the other day, Mark, just wanted to chime in again.

All are welcome, Rich. The place is called El Agave. Can't remember the address, but if you search thru this thread you'll find the directions posted somewhere.

It is still El Agave at 1:00, right?

[bjslawn]

Best Mexican in Fauquier County
When you want Mexican in Warrenton, there is no question - you want El Agave. In fact, its probably the best Mexican in Northern Virginia (and I've tried quite a few places).
Location

Agave is tucked away in the strip mall area where Routes 17 and 29 business intersect, right between Blockbuster Video and Peebles. There's always ample parking, but if you're going during the peak dinner hours, you may occasionally have to wait 10-15 minutes for a table. Lunch time is busy as well, but generally less crowded.

[Mark McC]

I could be wrong, but it seems as though everyone who's stated an intention to make today's lunch is from points north and/or east of Warrenton, assuming Tim will not attend.

Tim, any idea yet if you'll make it? If not, maybe we should find someplace in Manassas, given that most confirmed attendees are in Fairfax and one in Ashburn.

Comments?

[timturf]

Tim will not attend!!!!!

[Mark McC]

Tim will not attend!!!!!

Sorry to hear it, Turfmeister. Maybe next month.

Okay, if everyone who's going to make it today is from Fairfax or Loudon, we need to meet someplace a lot closer than Warrenton. If anyone from other places intends to make it today, say so now and we'll meet at El Agave as planned.

Pardon this attitude of mine, but I just don't see the point of people living in Fairfax and Loudon driving all the way to Warrenton if nobody from down that way is going to make it.

[MarcSmith]

Hey folks. I will be leavingthe house very shortly for El Agave....if the lcoation changes giveme a call 202 345 7679. if you wanted to keep it close..there is anita's mexican, they are all ove about 5 or 6 locatoins, Vienna, fairfax, herndon and afew others...if you wanted something uniquie....Old Dominion Brewery in Ashburn out near redskin park.... off of loundoun county parkway...there is the Wing factory, Sterling, Reston, Ashburn.

[Mark McC]

I think we better stick with El Agave. Andy, a.k.a. Hoolie, indicated he's coming today and I haven't had any luck contacting him about a change of venue.

Incidentally, my cell number is 703-966-3694.

[MarcSmith]

Nice meeting ya'll at lunch today..

Mark here is the garbage bag i was thinking about....for the walkbehind...several people make it, and if sure if you went to anyone who sells Walk behind mowers they have this in the shop...

http://www.wechapps.com/home/The_Groundskeeper/body_the_groundskeeper.html

[Gilla Gorilla]

So MarkMcc who was the one that grabbed the waitresses but at this meeting today since I was not there???

How many people showed up this time?

[HOOLIE]

Sad to say no waitress' were fondled today (but many were ogled :) )

Only myself, Mark McC, Marc Smith and BJsLawn. There was a last-ditch attempt to move the site more toward Fairfax, but we decided not to just in case anyone else showed up.

I suppose if we're going to make this a regular event, we could sort of rotate the location around a bit. Someone mentioned the Old Dominion Brewery...enticing...

[Mark McC]

Well, as everyone can see, the second Virginia Unofficial Lawn Care Disassociation lunch came off without a hitch.

Justin, I was tempted to do the pinching this time, but like you, I’m married and thought better of it. The young lady who waited on us last time was the victim of our second outing as well. Such is fate, but she bore up well under it.

On the subject of the staff at El Agave, I should note that our waitress was quite the eyeful, but she wasn’t the only one. If those of you didn’t make it want to know more, all I will say is this: twins. Your imagination is no doubt up to the task of filling in the blanks.

As Andy commented, we discussed a different location, but it’s just as well because Mike of BJsLawn showed up. Not sure where you drove in from, Mike, but we’re glad we caught up with you. And thanks Marc for the link to the site for garbage bags.

Marc told us about some of his experiences with the wacko college kids at Georgetown University, where he is the landscape manager. It seems that the residents of one of the dormitory buildings decided to use the dorm courtyard as their personal dumping ground, disposing of pizza boxes and a few other items I’m too disgusted to describe. These little Einsteins were brilliant enough to get into Georgetown, but not smart enough to remove the identifier information from the pizza delivery labels. Marc informed administration of the mess, giving the brats an opportunity to pick up after themselves. Marc also let in that his family members can go to G-Town for about a LOT less than other students. Anyone who wants to go to Georgetown on the cheap would do well to have Marc and his wife fill out adoption papers.

Marc went through a heckuva lot of iced tea, by the way. Not sure if he ever went to the bathroom while we were there, so he must metabolize caffeine differently from me. I’d have been in the head every five minutes if I’d had that much tea.

Mike spent the first twenty minutes at El Agave giving a percussion performance with his teeth after making the trip to El Agave on his motorcycle. Someone should buy him a sturdy leather jacket for those cool-weather rides. Still, he started with iced tea, moving along to a cup of the house java after a while. Observing Mike’s use of sugar, Marc asked Mike how he felt about having coffee with his sugar. Mike really couldn’t say much, sooo…

At some point, the discussion managed to veer into questions of grooming, probably because of a comment about on-the-job clothing, and I complained about the fact that I’ve hit a stage of life where I have to trim the little hairs in my ears. Mike asked me how old I am (guess it’s my fault, I brought it up), and when I answered, he replied that his folks are younger than I am. I expressed my gratitude by giving him a friendly one-finger salute.

Mike’s doing lawn care part-time, and his full-time job may soon require him to be on the clock at 5:30…in the morning. The idea left the rest of us cold. I can’t speak for anyone else but if you ask me, God would not have made roosters if we’re really meant to work before dawn.

Andy still hasn’t resolved the dilemma of one of his mowers leaving a strip down the middle, but seemed okay with it because his one-wheel sulky pushes the stubborn blades of grass down. He’s going to take the wayward unit to another dealer for help, but commented that one of the tires seems to wear more quickly than the other in addition to the uneven cut this unit produces. Several suggestions were offered as to the possible cause, but it seems his dealer has tried all those. We wish him the best of luck in getting it straightened out.

Andy has had some interesting feedback from a help-wanted ad he recently posted at a local church. Seems he’s getting a lot of homeless types responding, and the voice mails in connection with all this are getting interesting. Andy commented that he’s thinking seriously about hiring someone who’s command of English is less than masterful as they’re not as likely to talk his ear off…but we didn’t think he looked like Van Gogh.

All in all, we had a great time. We talked about equipment, needless to say, but Marc offered some insight as to what’s required to really understand turf management, a subject Tim has also offered insight on. Mike needs to be careful with impact equipment (ask him about that), Marc needs to watch out for operating chain saws with one hand on an unsecured lift bucket, and Andy needs to keep plenty of sunscreen handy. He’s almost as pasty as I am, and that’s pretty bad.

Next time, we’ll try to get more people involved. How many want to make it to the March lunch?

[HOOLIE]

Well, I'm still mulling over my options, Homeless Guy #1, or Homeless Guy #2? Could be a dicey situation as they both have the same phone number. I can see it now, interview #1 on the phone: "Sorry man, you know, I don't think you're the right person for the job...Hey...would you might putting the other guy on the phone for me..."

If the shelter doesn't pan out, I'm thinking of starting an "Apprentice" style contest to find just the right employee. In my version however, the weekly task will ALWAYS be the same...go out, cut grass, whoever makes the least amount of money that day will be fired.

Last night I wrote up a quick want ad to post at NOVA in Sterling, I'd be happy with someone that wants 20 or so hours per week. Unless I can find a full-timer.

[Mark McC]

Well, I'm still mulling over my options, Homeless Guy #1, or Homeless Guy #2? Could be a dicey situation as they both have the same phone number. I can see it now, interview #1 on the phone: "Sorry man, you know, I don't think you're the right person for the job...Hey...would you might putting the other guy on the phone for me..."

If the shelter doesn't pan out, I'm thinking of starting an "Apprentice" style contest to find just the right employee. In my version however, the weekly task will ALWAYS be the same...go out, cut grass, whoever makes the least amount of money that day will be fired.

Last night I wrote up a quick want ad to post at NOVA in Sterling, I'd be happy with someone that wants 20 or so hours per week. Unless I can find a full-timer.

This is the funniest post I've seen around here in a long time. That phone call would be straight out of Seinfeld, only he would actually do it.

On the other hand, you do have the option of making two separate phone calls and pretending to be someone else. "Hi, I may SOUND like the guy who just called, but trust me, I'm not."

I love the Apprentice methodology, but you gotta remember that this game is already in play: Anyone in business who doesnt make enough money gets fired by the marketplace.

On the serious side: Andy, I'm thinking about advertising at a church with a large Latino congregation when the time comes. Any such churches up your way?

[HOOLIE]

Yeah, I was thinking about contacting churches as well. That's really what I thought I was doing when I called Reston Interfaith. I need to call them back and clarify my intentions. I was hoping they would know of someone looking for work. I could possibly find someone good at the shelter, but most likely they won't have transportation, and I hate getting into that pick-up/drop-off arrangement.

You got St. Joseph's Catholic in Herndon, a huge congregation. Many Hispanics are Catholic. That would probably be a good place to ask around when the time comes. I might call them myself tomorrow.

I just read we could get 6-10 inches tomorrow. I already have a few mulch jobs lined up, I was planning to get started on them this week. Maybe not...

[Mark McC]

I haven't looked at the weather lately, but yesterday's Weather Channel forecast called for the white stuff starting tonight.

Gives me a chance to get my mail campaign going. Let's hear it for a late snow.

[Gilla Gorilla]

Yeah a late snow sounds mighty fine to me. I got the bags of ice melt and the spreader in the back of the truck, just need to put the snow blower in the back tomorrow morning and put the tarp over the cab of the truck tonight so it is nice and CLEAN tomorrow morning when I get out on the roads.

[Mark McC]

Justin, do you have a plow? I keep wondering if it's worth trying to do snow work without a plow.

[cemars]

To all you NOVA guys, I am sitting here dreading the impending snow because we don't plow (or mulch, or mow, or landscape, etc. ). I would be interested in talking to any of you that might be looking to sub out chemical work or might want to network for some referrals. I employ 6 full time licensed applicators and have been in this business over 15 years. We can handle anything from one 5k lawn to 200 acres.

[Mark McC]

To all you NOVA guys, I am sitting here dreading the impending snow because we don't plow (or mulch, or mow, or landscape, etc. ). I would be interested in talking to any of you that might be looking to sub out chemical work or might want to network for some referrals. I employ 6 full time licensed applicators and have been in this business over 15 years. We can handle anything from one 5k lawn to 200 acres.

We'll keep you in mind. You might want to join us for the next monthly lunch. Look back a couple of postings for some of the attractions to be found at one of our lunch spots, El Agave in Warrenton.

[MarcSmith]

Mark

Can I have you come to our next staff meeting and take notes.....Talk about photographic memory.....All my photographic memory remembers was the last pair that I saw, of waitresses that is......Yes I did visit the Head once at El Agave, and once About halfway home I had to make aanother pit stop, but this one was to peel the paint off the walls at an antique store....I did buy something, but probably not worth the damage I did...

[Gilla Gorilla]

That is hilarious Marc. I just got a nice little laugh from that one.

Yes Mark I do have a plow on the front of the F350 and damn can that truck and plow move some snow.

[MarcSmith]

Speaking of snow almost 8am and no snow. only 7 hours late....

Weatherman...the only job where you get paid your full salary for being right 50% of the time.....

We have a bunch-o-stuff going on today, Laura Bush, press and a bunch of dignitaries we came in early and put deicer down just to be safe...as the Secret Service won't let us get too close to the building while she's in side....

I'll bring my digicam next time we go to El Agave.....we can take some pics and then place a visit to PhotoShop....Where imaginations become reality...:)

[grass_cuttin_fool]

wow marc, down here in southern Va we got about 5-6 inches and still falling

[Gilla Gorilla]

It's kinda disapointing thatwe dont have anything on the ground or even falling from the sky yet here in Manassas. I guess that is just my luck though for the first year having a plow mounted on the truck. But you know darn well if I were to sell it this summer that we would get nailed with 10 plowable events next year. Oh well I'll just hang on for next season and I'm glad that I did not plan on plowing paying any bills this first season for me but it would be nice just to pay off the plow for this season from plowing.

Maybe next year.

[grass_cuttin_fool]

Here is a picture of what it is like in Southern Va this am

[MarcSmith]

Radar shows the white stuff, but nothing on the ground.....except ice melt...

[timturf]

Some of you praying for snow, while a old man like me, who has to shovel that crap, is praying for normal temps, I planned on starting my spring cleanups and hardwood mulching this week!

no snow, no snow, no snow!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Gilla Gorilla]

Come on Tim dont you have a bucket or blade for that tractor of yours by now??? LOL

[Mark McC]

Yeah, the weather forecasting thing is might dicey. I once read something that kindasorta explained the difficulty involved.

There are two problems in the weather forecasting business right now. One is that computer models are not very good at replicating the real McCoy. How much of this is due to inadequate software and how much is due to insufficient data sets to construct a good model, I don't know...which leads us to problem numero dos.

One article I read several years ago (can't recall the author or title) took the position that if you really want a full data set for climate, you'd have to have sensors positioned at every one foot...at one-foot intervals all the way up to the end of the atmosphere. Very impractical, to say the least, but his point was that small-scale thermal variations have a huge impact on weather and that without a good working understanding of those small-scale variables, you just don't have a prayer of generating a solid data set, which in turn helps to develop a good predictive model for computer software.

The meteorologist's Catch-22?

Justin, I feel for you on the recovery of investments on snowplows and the like. Snowfall in this part of the mid-Atlantic is a bit inconsistent. If I lived in Philly, I'd be a bit more inclined to go for it, but around here, I'm more inclined to focus on power fertilizer spreaders and so on that I'm sure will generate revenues. On the other hand, Wayne obviously has work to do. But you see what I mean? This storm tracks three degrees to the west and we get nothing but rain.

By the way, Cemars, your offer of subbing out chem services is a good one. I hope you're marketing that in a big way to little-guy LCOs like me. And we who aren't that familiar with such services could use some guidance on pricing. Incidentally, what's your name?

[Gilla Gorilla]

Mark I dont think that we will get any snow sticking on the roads around here. Both of my outside thermometers are reading a balmy 34.5 degrees now and on the streets it actually looks like it has rained and not snowed, oh well.

[Mark McC]

Mark I dont think that we will get any snow sticking on the roads around here. Both of my outside thermometers are reading a balmy 34.5 degrees now and on the streets it actually looks like it has rained and not snowed, oh well.

Sorry to hear it Justin. Just out of curiosity, how wide a net do you use to pick up snow-removal work? Too bad you can't rely on some traffic from areas that now are getting hammered, but you're right about the temps. When the forecast said something about 34 degrees, I figured the roads would be no trouble at all.

If it's any help, my wife is really peeved that school is closed because she wants to get some work going, but maybe she's just tired of looking at me.

Good luck next year to all you guys who have invested in snow removal equipment.

[MarcSmith]

If I was a small LCO and I had a plow truck. rather than going it alone, Id try to offer my services to the Chapel Valleys, Brickmans and True Greens of teh area....they are always looking for good subcontractors to plow properties. Yeah nnot has good Hourly $$ like doing Driveways, but sometimes you get called up and paid to sit on a job like on a day like today...

In Ashburn, we were always looking for good plow drivers to hire as a subcontractor i think the rate when I left was 75 an hour.... for a truck and plow...there were several occassion when I called a sub up and they sat on a job for 3-4 hours while nothing happened....We paid generaly in about 5-10 days....provided we had an invoice the day after the snow event....And the sub was on a guaranteed call list....

[Mark McC]

If I was a small LCO and I had a plow truck. rather than going it alone, Id try to offer my services to the Chapel Valleys, Brickmans and True Greens of teh area....they are always looking for good subcontractors to plow properties. Yeah nnot has good Hourly $$ like doing Driveways, but sometimes you get called up and paid to sit on a job like on a day like today...

In Ashburn, we were always looking for good plow drivers to hire as a subcontractor i think the rate when I left was 75 an hour.... for a truck and plow...there were several occassion when I called a sub up and they sat on a job for 3-4 hours while nothing happened....We paid generaly in about 5-10 days....provided we had an invoice the day after the snow event....And the sub was on a guaranteed call list....

$75 an hour? Now that's something to think about. When I upgrade my truck to something with 4-wheel drive, I may do that.

[MarcSmith]

The nice thing is that you are generally working on a nicer than average office building or HOA the asphalt is in good shape and the curbs are usually marked...When I was at TGLC we tried to keep a sum at one building and not have them running around from job to job....made it easier keeping track of billable time.....Plus les chance of confusion....the Sub would report directly to a manager or a site supervisor, so it eliminated a lot of guess work....

[Gilla Gorilla]

Hey Mark maybe this will change your mind.

The plow that I bought was a new Boss Plow 9' in length for $3783.00 and then also bought a set of Pro Wings to extend another 10" on each side for $185.00.

It is a BIG investment when you are not guaranteed any plow able snow will fall in the winter, but if you have one or two nice storms and the rite accounts and hourly rate you can start to recoup that money very quickly but there is a reason that most people will tell you don't expect to pay off your plow in the first season.

Here is a pic from back in January on a commercial prop that I plow.

[MarcSmith]

Nice rig. at TGLC we used F450's with about 4 tons of icemelt inthe back...PITA to work with...Once of my jobs I managed was a Storage yard with alleys of units. when we had the 27" presidents day snow a few years back we were on backhoes and skidloaders having to remove the snow from the property.....Big bill like $35k, but lots of work......We ended up doing about a million just in snow removal that year.....It was a nice bonus, but I missed christmas morning and chirstmas dinner that year too....Money won't bring that back.....

[Mark McC]

I'm going to have to have a talk with Santa Clause this year.

[Mike TMI]

Hey Mark maybe this will change your mind.



Nice job by the storage doors.

I see so many people that will not even try and get close to back of cars, curbs, buildings, etc. It drives me crazy!

This snow was so wet... I took out a few trashcans in my HOA's and one of my drivers took out a mailbox by getting tooooo close! I guess He shouldn't have tried that close! :)


Justin-
What areas do you service for snow plowing?

Mike-

[Gilla Gorilla]

Manassas area mostly unless I go into Clifton and hit my parents road in and driveway once in a while.

I am strongly thinking about hooking up with a bigger company next year as a sub if they can assure me that they can keep me busy in some decent sized parking lots or some subdivisions. I dont know if I could work for $75 or $80 per hour with someone else seeing as my plow is 9' wide and with the Pro Wings on its close to 11', also that thing really moves alot of snow with the wings on so it is that much more productive then. Who knows though they might not look at it my way and only want me running the plow with out the wings on.

[MarcSmith]

One Word...Negotiate...The worst they can say is NO....A larger plow truck will bring higher $$$. that is one big blade...I could not imagine driving down the road with that....

It was hard finding good a good reliable sub....

[Gilla Gorilla]

Mike

I was at that same lot in the front of the building on monday night pushing and the lot is probably about 300' across so I would get on the gas a little to much at times when backing up. After being there for about 20 minutes this guy from a house across the street comes out in his driveway at about 12:30AM yelling, I barely heard him over the diesel and the windows were barely cracked. I put the LF window down and he yells what the hell to you think you are doing? I replied by saying "My Job" well he did not like that response at all and started MFing me and saying some people are trying to sleep and have to work in the morning then started saying that the blade was to load when I dropped it.

I told him it is a 900# plow and what the hell do you want me to do about it, the blade is metal not rubber. He started throwing out the F bomb some more and I'm trying to be professional and not cuss back at him but he started to get under my skin a little and I was very close to getting out of the truck and telling him to call the cops that the station is only a half mile down the road if he really doesn't like the noise.

He finally got done and went into his house so I was there about another ten minutes then when I was pulling out onto the street to leave I saw his window blind in his bedroom pulled back a little bit. Well down goes my drivers window and out comes my hand just a waving at him like he is my best buddy. I'm sure that torqued him even more when he saw me just waving.

What the hell does this guy do when the city plow comes down his busy road two or three times on each side plowing or when the trash men come at 5:30AM when he is trying to sleep. Does he go out and yell at them? Who knows and who cares I just laughed at him at the end.

[Gilla Gorilla]

Marc yes it can be a little tricky driving with on narrow two lane roads. I try to just slow down or let the person coming towards me pass while I stop.

I looks weird to me seeing 7'6" plow on F250 and F350 now when I pass them since I'm used to seeing mine all of the time. I probably would not even change my driving habits if I ran around with a 7'6" blade on a truck now. LOL

[MarcSmith]

I loveit....Smile that Big Sht eating grin and just wave....Next you go have to plow at night get one of those "back-up" alarms like the big trucks have....I If didn't have any guilt, I'd plow the snow pile around the mfers car.....Especialy the one who pull into an empty parking lot that you have not plowed, while there are clean ones and park in the worst possible place.

[Gilla Gorilla]

What happened? Did everyone get burned out from the lunch last weekend?
Was it that good??? Or is everyone still trying to recover from all of the snow that we had last week!!! LOL

Hope everyone is getting geared up for the begining of next month was everything gets nice and green, along with our pockets once again.

Have a good one

[HOOLIE]

Still here, just haven't posted as much lately.

Tomorrow is Opening Day for me, got most of my usual spring mulch jobs lined up. Gonna ease into it tomorrow with a small trimming job, MAYBE (just maybe) I'll start a second job (if I feel up to it).

Still looking for a helper. Homeless Guy #2 might be ok, talked to him last week, thinking of hiring him for a day for a trial run. Unfortunately the majority of people in these shelters have either mental or drug problems, or both.

Also rented a storage unit for this year. Lucked out, there was a unit available where I can actually back the trailer straight in, no turning necessary.

Everyone have fun, and, "Let's be careful out there"

[Mark McC]

I am a little tired of the snow, especially since I'm not making any of the green stuff from it. As for the lunch, only four of us can claim any damage from that outing, and nobody seems to be complaining about burned eyeballs!

But Justin, you really need to make it next month. As I mentioned earlier...twins.

Looks like more precipitation this week, although the Weather Channel is a bit iffy as to whether it'll hit the ground as a solid or a liquid. I was planning on hitting the bricks to put out flyers this week (and next), but if I have to do the mailers now and the flyers later, it should come out about the same in terms of response...I hope.

Andy, mind if I ask how big your storage space is and how much it's costing you?

[HOOLIE]

Mark- I got a 10' x 20' for $210 a month. Must be some price fixing going on, every place I looked at had the same exact prices for each size unit. The trailer I'm getting is just a little 8 footer, so 20' is enough.

I tell you, 3 years ago when I started, I was checking into storage units, and you could get a 10' by 30' for around $170. They just keep building these places like crazy, and the prices are going thru the roof. One place I looked at had an entire building (maybe 50-60 units) that were empty.

I wanted a 30' unit, but they are around $300. At least there's no contract, just month-to-month. No power outlet, I'll have to keep the blade grinder at home.

[Mark McC]

$300 and no electricity? That sounds a little steep. Of course, they do make power invertors that will make 120-volt juice from the alternator in a truck, soo....

The price thing is more price leadership...no formal agreement, but everyone's prices are advertised, so it's easy to avoid charging too little. No scrubs in the storage business!

If I didn't have a garage, I'd probably try to find a homeowner who wants to rent their garage for $150 a month or something like that, or use the garage in swap for mowing.

[MarcSmith]

When I was in florida I swapped a storeage shed, and parking for monthly mow service of the storage yard...Barter system.. gotta love it....

You can fine a small suitcase stye generator for cheap...
http://www.bizrate.com/buy/products__cat_id--25000600,keyword--small%20generators.html

Or for the times you need to punish a wayward employee....
http://www.bizrate.com/buy/noncat_prod_details__oid--232463151.html

[HOOLIE]

I'll have to ask about swapping services. I don't know that the place has much grass though. As far as the lack of electricity, it seems like the newer facilities are the culprits. One manager told me that's how they keep the prices down (huh?), by not having tenants running up the power bill. I guess it also discourages the downtrodden from using the place as their "home".

I had a slacker Opening Day. Gotta ease back into the routine.

[Mike TMI]

I had a slacker Opening Day. Gotta ease back into the routine.

Speaking of slacker Opening days... I bought 3 mowers last week....1 being a hydro 48". We trained on the mowers today and one of my new guys took out a corner of the fence and almost hit one of my trucks...NEEDLESSTOSAY...he won't be running the hydro until he gets used to the braking on those.

We start our first mulching job tomorrow (Ashburn Ice House). Hopefully it goes better than today!

Question for everyone.... We use Stihl stringtrimmers. Does anyone have experience with any other stringtrimmers? We constantly blow the springs off the clutch and I've heard the Echo is better?

[HOOLIE]

Well hey, I might buzz by the Ashburn Ice House tomorrow, I'll be in Sterling first, not sure yet what I'm going to start after that job.

Mike, I think you said you got some H2B workers. Is this your first time using them? Just wondering how it all works.

[MarcSmith]

When I was at TruGreen, I actually put a bid on the Ice House, some tree pruning Landscape enhancement and the Basic Maintenance.....But I think someone in the past from TG had squatted in the owners weaties so he took the bid, but with not much else to say.....

Did you get the bid to maintain the new shopping center....Is it done yet.....

Last year when I was at TGLC we had H2B workers....8 total...after it was all said and done we did not have the orginal 8 we started with....and they were pretty much slobs. The apartment and furniture was trashed....as well....We shoudl have spent $10 per hour on a descent local employee's rather then 8 on the H2B border hoppers. Not mention the headaches of dealing with the apartment, furnishing it, ect.....

[HOOLIE]

...did I say I was going to work today...oh, that's right, I was assuming the weatherman would be accurate.

[Mark McC]

...did I say I was going to work today...oh, that's right, I was assuming the weatherman would be accurate.

Are you on something? Accurate weather forecasting? Oooooooookay!!!!

I'm with the government and I'm here to help.

Actually, the Weather Channel mentioned something about this Sunday, if I'm not mistaken. C'mon, Andy, forget the decaf and go for the real deal. You gotta stay awake while the "meteoroligists" at the Weather Channel drone on, and on, and on, and on.....................

Where do you get your weather info and when did you look at it last?

[Gilla Gorilla]

Mark I just got my weather info when I looked out the office window. That is the only weather prediction that I trust anymore, which is me predicting ahh lets say about 5 minutes into the future off of what I see out the window at the time.

[MarcSmith]

Weather man


the only job you be right 50% of the time and still pull in a full salary....

[HOOLIE]

I hope the sun melts this stuff quickly. Yesterday I ran out of time on the hedge trimming job I was doing. All I had left was to trim some low tree branches and clean up all the trimmings from the bushes. Which are now all covered with snow.

[HOOLIE]

Since the weather's the big topic today, you might get a chuckle out of this story-

If you remember back 2 years ago, how it rained constantly, the lawns were practically underwater (I still have flashbacks). Anyway, a buddy of mine had some new neighbors move in next door, they came from somewhere on the West Coast. Husband happened to be named BOB RYAN... So as weekend plans got rained out each week, all the people on the street would comment to the new guy "Hey, thanks a lot, BOB..." or "When you gonna do something about the weather...BOB" stuff like that.

Apparently Bob never watched Channel 4, when he finally found out there was a weatherman with the same name he was relieved, he had thought everyone in Virginia was an a-hole.

[Gilla Gorilla]

That is hilarious Andrew, I got a goooood laugh from that last line.

[Mark McC]

Apparently Bob never watched Channel 4, when he finally found out there was a weatherman with the same name he was relieved, he had thought everyone in Virginia was an a-hole.

So what changed his mind?

[Mark McC]

So what changed his mind?

This was a joke, fellas. Hahahahahahaha.

[Mike TMI]

Well hey, I might buzz by the Ashburn Ice House tomorrow, I'll be in Sterling first, not sure yet what I'm going to start after that job.

Mike, I think you said you got some H2B workers. Is this your first time using them? Just wondering how it all works.



WOW.... What another day! We definitely didnt make it to the Ice House yesterday.

Had my 2 tractor-trailer loads of mulch delivered yesterday while the snow was coming down sideways!

I am not too impressed with this D&J Mulch. Actually....if I could have set it on fire...I would have done that but I will use the majority of it on my commercial jobs. I wouldn't put this in my worst enemies yard.

I called Paul Levine from Field & Forest and he is delivering me 2 more trailer loads next Wednesday. That is what I'll use for my residentials.

Besides all that.....not doing too bad. Cleaned out the yard. Cleaned out my shop and ready to see what tomorrow brings! :)

[Mike TMI]

When I was at TruGreen, I actually put a bid on the Ice House, some tree pruning Landscape enhancement and the Basic Maintenance.....But I think someone in the past from TG had squatted in the owners weaties so he took the bid, but with not much else to say.....

Did you get the bid to maintain the new shopping center....Is it done yet.....

Last year when I was at TGLC we had H2B workers....8 total...after it was all said and done we did not have the orginal 8 we started with....and they were pretty much slobs. The apartment and furniture was trashed....as well....We shoudl have spent $10 per hour on a descent local employee's rather then 8 on the H2B border hoppers. Not mention the headaches of dealing with the apartment, furnishing it, ect.....


None of my guys are H2B workers. I found 1 good guy and he has brought me all the rest.

All my guys have been with me for at least 4 years, except the 3 newbies. I try and take care of them, since I have traveled into some of these 3rd world countries before and know what they went through to get here.

I just bought them a passenger van so my supervisor can pick up everyone and they can all ride in one vehicle. We will see how they treat it!