22 hp Liquid cooled Kawasaki...On 60" eXmark

[CTodd]

I would like to know how these mowers perform. I have heard that the 22 hp kawasaki liquid cooled is plenty strong enough. I can purchase one for about $150 cheaper than a 25 hp air cooled. What does everyone think of these mowers.

[Grasscape Inc]

get the 22 lc or the 26 efi<p>----------<br>-Grasscape Mgmt.<br>Http://sites.netscape.net/grasscapeinc/homepage

[Lazer]

You can get a 22LC Kaw for $150 less, what's the catch?<p>Anyway, the have plenty of power (for a 60&quot;) and are relatively trouble free. (Quiet, too) As far as longevity, they've just been out 3 summers, so we'll see how that goes.

[Keith]

I just saw in Marketplace they are having some kinda special...$1000 of LC Lazers

[CTodd]

Here in South Carolina they have an $800 rebate right now. This is a brand new mower. Also they have no payments or interest until next March. That is very cool...

[accuratelawn]

My dealer said Exmark over manufactured the LC. You can buy for the same price as 25 Kohler here. $500 rebate from Exmark.<br>22 has enough power, but not if you mulch. I had one as loaner last Spring. The unit had a mulch kit. Poor results.

[CTodd]

And I was thinking of mulching. What do you think the results would be if you just used gator blades and didn't mulch?

[Mid Rivers]

I am new to the business but I have an Emark 60&quot; Liquid Cooled machine and I love it. Like I said I am new and haven't experiencd others but I don't know how it could get much better. Get on and watch out for trees.

[Runner]

CTod, That's the beauty of it, if you run a mower like the Lazer, then you don't HAVE to mulch! If you ever run into thick conditions, double cut at the most. I run two Lazers. An LC and a 26horse fuel injected. While the fuel-injected provides more power, the LC is aLOT quieter and cuts beautifully. If you buy one though, do yourself a favor and get the foot assisted deck lift. WELL worth it.

[bdemir]

Why does the liquid cooled run quiter. Is it lower rpms or the way the muffler or the way its built.

[Evan528]

I Am going to look into the assist for my toro z master 255. Im sick of always leaning over to pull up the decl with the lever when ever theyed a high spot in the lawn or when i want to go over curbs. Any one no how muc they cost?

[fdew]

LC is always quieter because that liquid and the extra wall to contain it also contain a lot of noise.<br>Frank

[Lazer]

Evan, I was told by my dealer they were $35.<p>bdemir, LC engines are can be built to much closer tolerances than air-cooled because there is less metal expansion from the lower temperatures. <p>Muffler size and RPM's are only a small factor. Take your car: It makes 8 times the power of a Z, revs twice as fast, has a muffler that's only twice as big and is far quieter.

[Keith]

Anyone here cutting St. Augustine with a 60" 22hp LC Lazer?
I have been told they have as much power as the 25hp Kohler, just hard to believe. 22 is less than 25 :D

[dylan]

I always thought that the noise from an air cooled engine came from the fly wheel fan that pushes the air around to cool the engine.

[TLS]

The 25 hp Kohlers have 39.5 lbft of Torque and I believe the Kawi LC only has like 32 lbft. Add this to the 3 less HP. My 25 Kohler has 1000 hrs and when the gr*** gets heavy, the RPM's really drop. Hate to see it with 3 less HP and 7 lbft.?!? Why isnt there a 30 HP engine out there that can power the 60 and 72's with power to spare?

[accuratelawn]

From what I understand the 22 Kaw has almost as much torque as the 25 Kohler.

[Kevin]

I ve heard eXmark is working on a diesel powered unit

[Grasscape Inc]

2001 Exmark/Toros will have a 26-27HP liquid cooled option.
More $$ though.

[Keith]

I went and looked at the liquid cooled's today. They didn't have any 60's in stock. I wouldn't mind having one if they made the power the 25 Kohler does. Especially while they have the $1000 off deal, but that ends August 31.

My 61" Kees with the 25 Kohler has more power than my 52" Gr***hopper with a 21 LC Kubota gas. Granted it has more hours but I don't think it ever had the power the Kohler does.

Everyone rates there engines differently so who knows, maybe the 22hp and 33lb/ft torque rating is higher if measured by Kohler standards.

The salesman at Trail Saw swears the Kawasaki has as much power. And I guess up until about three years ago the 22 Kohler was standard on most 60" mowers. I guess they cut alright.

I guess I would really have to use one to see if it was capable of cutting week old St. Augustine. I sure would hate to buy and underpowered $8000 mower. I wouldn't mine looking into the bigger liquid cooled Exmarks when they come out, but my guess is they will be out of my price range and 1400lbs.

BTW, they had a 52" Lazer HP. That's a preety nice machine too. Completely different. I was a little concerned that a narrow ch***is may not hold hills, but it appears they spaced the rear tires a little farther apart on the 52".

[Lazer]

Keith,
Next years standard Lazer Z LC will be 27hp (Kaw) replacing the 22hp model. - Same machine with more hp.

They will also offer the larger frame Lazer Z XP which will have the 27hp Diesel and 31hp gas.