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TClawn
12-17-2004, 02:10 PM
In the state of hawaii you have to have 2 years of experience in the field of spraying that you will be doing. I would REALLY like to become an applicator but the income loss from employing myself out for 2 years makes it impossible.

My question is: can I still have my own accounts while working under another landscaper license?

for instance, T and C lawn service (me) works under big joe's applicator license. I drum up my own business, under my name and they are my accounts accept I give big joe half of my profit for letting me work under his license.

after the two years I no longer work for big joe and keep the current accounts I have.

do you think that this would be LEGAL? I think that I know a landscaper that would be willing to do it with me.

qps
12-17-2004, 06:34 PM
I doubt it, if there was an accident eveyone would be pointing the finger at the other guy, maybe you could let yourself be hired by this guy and work for him part time, letting him profit from you accounts as payment for "training", but let all the paper work for applications be tied to his company. doesn't help your pocket book in the short term but would in the long term. good luck

Ric
12-17-2004, 08:31 PM
TC

I do something like that with a couple of guys here in Florida. However it is totally legal because they actually work for me part time and have their own Lawn mowing business. They sell jobs to many of their customer and service them using my equipment and they are billed by me. I pay them on a commission bases with all taxes and worker comp etc. Of course I train them and supervise all work they do. I do require a pre-employement test in math and Pesticides before I start to train them. However I give them study material first.

It takes 3 years in Florida to sit for the test. So it is not real easy to get a license when you are in business for your self. Approach your friend with the Idea that there can be something in it for him. That something is the income he can recieve from your work. Then stay loyal to him until you pass the test. In my case if a guy working for me can not pull his weight then he is gone plain and simple.

bobbygedd
12-17-2004, 08:43 PM
the way it works here, in the garden state is.....in order for you to be able to provide your accounts with pest apps, is if you are a "registered pest business". now, in order to be a registered pest business, you must be, or must employ, a licensed aplicator, that will be deemed "the responsible aplicator"

ForeverGreen
12-17-2004, 08:52 PM
TCLawn,I see your from paradise, does "Best Buns on Maui" still operate under the Denny's across from Kam 2 >>> Ted

TClawn
12-18-2004, 12:25 AM
TCLawn,I see your from paradise, does "Best Buns on Maui" still operate under the Denny's across from Kam 2 >>> Ted

yes they still are there. I don't know how good of business they've been doing though. it seems like a lot of businesses in the rainbow mall have gone under recently. the old ones that are still there are, laperts, best buns on maui, denny's, the canton chef, hawaiian shades, and a tourist store that on the right of best buns on maui.

osc
12-18-2004, 08:10 AM
In the state of Ohio, you can work under someone else's license. Example, Trugreen Chemlawn. Very few of the employees have a pesticide app license.

qps
12-18-2004, 09:05 AM
In the state of Ohio, you can work under someone else's license. Example, Trugreen Chemlawn. Very few of the employees have a pesticide app license.

I think what you might mean is for example in Indiana those companys must have a certain amount of certified applicators on staff to supervise the registered technician's, so everyone spraying for trugreen isn't certified, just an RT.(easier to obtain).

Ric
12-18-2004, 09:22 AM
now, in order to be a registered pest business, you must be, or must employ, a licensed aplicator, that will be deemed "the responsible aplicator"


BooBy

I got my license by hiring a full time Certified operator. Even with a degree you need to work under a licensed operator for one year in my state. I have never worked for a pest control company other than the one I own.

Yes this can be expensive to hire a licensed operator. But you have to look at the long run. Education costs, But once you have all the licenses you are good to go.

ForeverGreen
12-18-2004, 10:28 AM
yes they still are there. I don't know how good of business they've been doing though. it seems like a lot of businesses in the rainbow mall have gone under recently. the old ones that are still there are, laperts, best buns on maui, denny's, the canton chef, hawaiian shades, and a tourist store that on the right of best buns on maui.
Thanks I was just curious as I used to stay a month each winter back "up the hill" in a condo. Got to know the people that had Maui Expresso and Best Buns and some of the crew at Dennys. Never met anyone there that wasnt a genuine hard worker. I dont think the tourist trade ever realizes how tough it is to make a living there due to the cost envolved. Thanks for the reply and take care, Ted

Runner
12-19-2004, 01:39 PM
This is how mine was done. I was taken in as an apprentice and worked under a good friend on mine's license. I did all my fertilization. When it came time for spraying and other pesticide aps, I would employ his company to do it. It just so happened that I happened to be working for his company during the time these jobs were done. I still can't express my appreciaztion and gratitude to him for helping me out the way that he has. This is not to mention that he is a former golf course super with college degrees in turf management, so I really couldn't ask for a better mentor.

GroundKprs
12-19-2004, 08:41 PM
TClawn, have you discussed this with your state regulatory office? Talk with your landscaper friend, and if he is willing to help you, then verify the arrangement with your regulators.

I have helped others get pesticide licensing by the same basic method given by Runner above, except that I was hired for all applications. Both the trainee and my business benefited: he was getting training for his license, I was making money from the applications (less his pay). But I always spoke to our regulatory office before I went ahead with the idea.

Ecobjs
12-20-2004, 07:58 PM
I did it the way GroundKprs suggested. I went to the Board in Tn and asked them what I should do, I was not going to work for some one else at that point. They suggested that I work under someone else, (e.g. sub the work to them) and they also recommend that I go to the local Univeristy and work free a couple of days under thier license agent (he was more than glad to have the help). After about 2 months of that I applied to take the test and they allowed it. Developing a good relationship with the Board is key. I called every week to let them know my progress.